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    Boy am I glad that he’s king in there and that we’re out here and that he’s the thingf and that we’re king out here and we’re in there and I just remembered we’re out here Edition

    >Latest patch:
    https://www.playdeadlock.com/cityneversleeps

    >Latest Balance Patch:
    https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1422450/view/680765564125186045

    >Steam Page:
    https://store.steampowered.com/app/1422450/

    >Where to leave feedback and report bugs:
    https://forums.playdeadlock.com/

    >How do I git in?
    Post your Steam profile and ask. You need to accept a friend request to be invited, so don't be a sperg.

    >How do I git gud?
    Do the tutorial, get a feel for each hero in sandbox mode, explore public item builds, watch replays. Playing a Hero for the first time will put you into a lower rank game*, so don't worry about it too much.

    Additional Resources:
    >Unofficial Wiki
    https://deadlock.wiki/
    >Collection of useful character builds
    https://deadlockmeta.com/
    >New Player Guide
    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lMBE7Nli_sVJ42d-kPHjF3MBaXZdIM46gNJQC_fMGMU/
    >Advanced Movement Guide
    https://www.dlmovement.wiki/
    >Unofficial Stat Tracker (Unreliable due to API rate limits)
    https://statlocker.gg/
    https://tracklock.gg/
    https://deadlock-api.com/
    >Unofficial CompetitiveNews
    https://edl.gg/
    https://www.deadfrag.com/
    >Unofficial Voiceline Viewer
    https://deadlock.vlviewer.com/

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    >>586331086
    headed to bloo
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    Did (You) dress up for Halloween?
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    when is this game supposed to get fun?
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    >>586331197
    >that nose
    10/10 body but MAN must her face be ugly or what
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    >>586331205
    when you pick danny
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    I enjoyed a steak dinner and had multiple losses that were in no way my fault
    How did (You) spend Halloween, /dlg/?
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    >>586331205
    Soam mokrill
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    >look up deadlock porn
    >its all blacked shit and wierd furry shit
    fucking why bro
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    >>586331307
    >10/10 body
    the 4chan groupthink won't like this opinion on account of the tattoo
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    >>586331328
    construction work and then I came home and ate like 3 bags of chips and went to bed
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    >>586331307
    her elbows are too sharp for my tastes. i'd hit it and let her down easy, though
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    NERF BEBOPS BEAM NOW
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    >>586331618
    That thing’s been nerfed to dust, I don’t want to hear it
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    How are you supposed to play Danny
    Do you just hover around in the sidelanes looking for carries to rape or something until the part of the game where everyone deathballs
    >>
    >>586331461
    lol
    >m-me too bro
    >>
    >>586331618
    *buys transcendent cooldown*
    NOW DIS IS A LESAH'
    >>
    >>586331376
    It's worse than Overwatch porn
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    >>586331376
    none of the characters in this game are hot enough to warrant porn unless your dopamine receptors are fried so you deserve it
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    >>586331376
    trans game
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    >>586331461
    >smooth yet curvy
    >a hint of tasteful trapezoid-pattern
    >a nice flat side dent
    what the fuck are you on about, fake elbows connoisseur
    You're not an elbows enjoyer, an elbows affectionado - you're a poser AND a nigger, might I add
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    >drinking alone on halloween as god intended
    >queue drifter
    >a minute in realize I can't see straight
    >miss all my marks
    >whiff half my rends
    >somehow get fed anyway
    >win
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    >>586331875
    Nigga how are you so dense you can’t understand a joke
    Dude was clearly poking fun at that 2/10 wouldn’t bang meme
    >>
    >>586331197
    Does this count?
    >>
    Guys, we get it. The girl in the celeste cosplay is an uggo, we all would pump and dump her out of pity.
    >>
    >>586331197
    Looked her up, her tits look like circles bolted to her chest
    >>
    question
    why the fuck do you need to buy armor piercing rounds against a rat king even if he doesnt buy plated. his 3 is so fucking retarded. its either that or siphon bullets
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    >>586331990
    >da 'duh is braindead
    Yeah, no shit. Enjoy your free elo
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    >>586332027
    Back to /xivg/ sealman
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    >>586332027
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    >>586331990
    My friend and I play drunk Counter-strike every friday night and it's insane the kind of shit you can do with alcohol freeing you of doubt or reason.
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    Are you all ready to accept the fact that they nerfed Rat King incorrectly?
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    >>586332105
    You can just ignore Rat King this patch, he literally doesn't do anything
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    >>586332027
    'no'
    >>
    did you guys know that solomon likes chess? he might even be good at it
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    >>586332007
    I was agreeing with him
    also stop saying "nigga" on the internet, homeboy
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    >>586332165
    I used to get smashed as fuck and boot up Darktide as a zealot or hive scum
    It's actually really fucking fun if you get angry at like a special or something and just straight up mash through everything in a drunken blind rage

    >>586332391
    nigger
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    can an ixian boy get some motion
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    >>586332486
    apollo would lowkey get cancelled for having a sophomore gf as a senior
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    >>586332361
    the same jokes over and over!
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    >>586331990
    I average 12 deaths a game on drifter. Playing like an aggressive retard to farm stacks and make space is actually optimal
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    >>586332361
    he's one of those ny park scammers rated 1.2k elo, he's not good.
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    >>586332557
    They are in the same class you moron.
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    Lowkey...ranked has been better now that the new toons aren't allowed without 15 wins.
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    >I have warden and silver on my team

    Could they not make my mandatory forced loss more obvious?
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    >>586332673
    let the warden cook bro
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    >>586332486
    If by "motion" you mean getting burned to crisp by the Chimera Mk1™ like a dirty fucking xgger he is then - sure!
    Only with Fairfax Industries!
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    >>586332673
    My silvers do pretty good
    No defense for warden though
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    >>586331376
    >>586331929
    Mina Vindicta Paige and Graves hard carries our game.
    Silver is kinda helping but faggots on the internet has decided that all their smut HAS to be futa, AKA the closeted homosexual tag.

    >Checks tags
    wtf Ivy has has the 2nd most hits after Mina.
    Kinda based.
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    https://files.catbox.moe/aabizk.jpeg
    how does this image make you feel anon
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    Warden still sucks ass who can i play that best fills in the warden shaped hole in my heart?
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    Im so close...
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    >>586332634
    I just played with a guy with 50 games of danny already at a sub 40% winrate. The hero unlock requirements dont really work, this guy should be banned from playing danny in ranked
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    >>586332391
    Make me pussy nigga
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    >>586332849
    what's your mirage win rate?
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    >>586332673
    Bro silver is unkillable in lane tho imagine what she can do with the extra 800 souls she saves not buying regen!
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    >>586332849
    Put Lash, Warden, and Abrams into your rotation too to become a true baraGAWD
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    >>586332673
    IDK if I've ever won with a post nerf Warden on my team but it's typically not their fault if we lose. The dedicated Warden retards actually fuck shit up and are really fun to watch.
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    >>586332027
    EC is going to suck so much fucking cock. You guys are Mazed.
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    how can I cut waves consistently
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    fagman tranny dive bombed me two times almost back to back. Which items allow him to do that?
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    >>586332920
    alright man if you want to sound like a gen z redditor be my guest
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    >>586332673
    Warden is at least so shit that people just try to 1v1 him and die most of the time.
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    >>586331845
    just do
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    >>586331205
    When they remove Harrow.
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    >>586331197
    Yeah
    >>586331307
    >An Asian foid is fraudmaxxing her appearance
    In other news, the sky is blue
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    >>586332704
    We LOVE our South Ixian patriots though
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    >>586328409
    looks good, dunno about headhunter or the gun investment in general, are you really using it?

    and I like extra charge, with it it feels like you're always full despite not even trying and it's only 800 if you can spare the slot
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    >>586333018
    If he's smart he maxxed dive bomb early which gives reduced cooldown for each hero hit by it. Tie that together with cooldown reduction and you just might feel like a vengeful god.
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    How can they rework Silver so that she isn't a pro-jail hero anymore so 99.999% of the player base can actually have fun while the 30 or so people in night shit dont throw a shitfit?
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    >>586333298
    Remove bola
    The whole reason the pro scene hates her is because she can block stamina usage
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    Hows Danny doing now that anti-flying items actually work?
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    >>586333298
    step 1, never listen to "pros"
    step 2, realize no such thing as "pros" exist of a closed beta game
    step 3, buff silver
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    >>586332027
    knot?
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    >>586333298
    Just revert all nerfs she's received and she'll be ok
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    >>586333439
    Yoshi WILL listien to the pros
    Yoshida WILL balance the game around a bunch of inhouses played by 28 people
    And you WILL rike it
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    >>586333201
    Because her gun is the only way to squeeze any meaningful damage out of her. Even active item maxxing I still want to be able to put up a fight when cornered. Unfortunately she just can't vomit area damage like Rem or Paige can so guns the only self defense you've got.

    Was debating on slotting in extra charge but then it turns into whats more valuable, larger range on ult to contest objectives or a bag full of healing needles. Might just set it up so I can take whichever feels better against the enemy.
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    I FUCKING HATE STREET BRAWL
    I JUST HAD A GAME WHERE MY TEAM GOT LITERALLY NO KILLS
    THERE ARE SO MANY FEWER FACTORS IN THIS MODE THAN REGULAR DEADLOCK HOW IS THE MATCHMAKING EVEN WORSE
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    >>586333714
    YOU'RE A SUPPORT
    PAUSE THE GAME, OPEN YOUR MIC AND SCREAM AT YOUR TEAMMATES
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    >>586333298
    Realtalk would silver even be a problem anymore if they reverted her to around her launch version? Both the player base got better and know how to deal with her wolf form better and there are so many Parkour and flying characters she can barely do shit about plus nightshift had actual drafting and more bans now
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    >>586333456
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    The 'pros' currently dedicate their lives for the equivalent of $5 an hour for their in-house tournaments.
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    (you) ARE ready for role queue to become a thing, right? Better pay up for the DeadPass so you get more role queue points :)
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    >>586333760
    Also aimbotting abuse heavily since no one cares about Street Brawl. I think every game now has a Haze or Infernus with perfect aim
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    >>586333760
    Your mistake was playing street brawl in the first place. I legit dont know how people could force themselves to play that garbage especially when it was at peak cancer where having Ratking, Solomon, and Violet was an instawin.
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    >>586331205
    When the inbred update tourists that die 15 times every game fucking leave
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    So apparently with Venator you can aim his gutshot up while indoors, and it will always stun the enemy, even without a wall behind them. Is this a real tech or a bug? I don't want to rely on someone that will just be patched later
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    >>586333846
    Ah yes, the favella nigger monkey teammates who barely have enough spatial awareness to realize half the enemy team is in our lane. Unless you're stacking you should consider everyone else retarded until proven otherwise.
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    >>586333987
    >What role do you play?
    >I play pick
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    >>586333714
    bruh get blood tribute and berserker. she can keep tribute on forever with her HP regen and the tribute makes her have max berserking stacks
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    >>586334014
    Street Brawl was more fun last week than it is now. Now it's just Shiv/Haze/Paige/Infernus/Dynamo/Abrams cheese . At least last week it was chaotic and insane, now it feels kind of... I dunno.
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    >>586334114
    It won't always stun them, but the stun is decided based on if there's a solid surface within range in the direction you're looking so if you're in a room that's low enough it'll stun them on the ceiling.
    It's possible they'd patch it out but it's been possible since he was added to the game so I kind of doubt they'd bother now.
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    Support players have never been this annoying, only when Harrow released did they all come out of the woodworks. Fucking OW and Rivals tourists. Harrow was a mistake.
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    How the fuck am I supposed to build Harrow man. Do I just buy a bunch of actives and go full supportsissy?
    It feels like healing aside nothing I do has any impact on the game
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    >>586333417
    Please for the love of god this.
    I'd rather have a passive that does something on hit like Mina's instead of [button that does nothing]
    The "buffs" they gave it mean literally nothing.
    >Hit Flyer
    >Nothing happens
    >Hit person you wanna close in on
    >Movement disable lasts 1.5 seconds so they just move when you get closer
    Worthless ass button.
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    >>586334383
    titanic mag + kinetic dash. k dash lets you get potentially infinite healing darts without even having to reload if you're safe in the back and can spare the stamina. eventually you want to have ricochet + healing tempo to buff your whole team. get resto shot too cause once you get healing tempo you give yourself tempo permanently with resto shot being able to proc off healing your teammates. she can also buy things like on hit shreds or toxic bullets and use them very efficiently cause she buys ricochet
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    https://tracklock.gg/heroes-tier-list/2026-10-30/all/emissary
    >only 200-300 games played on all chars
    so there are only 600 ranked games across emissary in 1 day? grim.....
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    gonna have to give up solomon until he gets some buffs, he has zero agency. feels like spirit geist
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    >>586334374
    i love having a competent harrow on my team. i feel like a rabit pitbull with rabies that mauls the enemy team when i get vapor boosted during ults and getting full health healed across the map by just standing in her sightlines feels so nasty
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    >>586334383
    Yes, Harrow has by far the least amount of agency in the game. Her impact is pretty high, she has a great teamfight ulti and can make at least one person literally unkillable, if not more but she can't do shit on her own. Just go full support with big heals and whenever someone else on your team goes for a play go help them do it.
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    >>586334289
    The blood tribute and berserker meme build only works at 17-18 leeches retard-kun
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    >>586334813
    you have 50 hp regen with 10 leeches and healing booster. i max leeches last
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    Harrow ult still wins any rift teamfight btw
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    >>586332926
    I dont wanna talk about it....
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    >play marvel rivals after nearly a year cause my normie friends asked me too and I want to spend time with them
    >boot up the game
    >I get like 7 events shoved in my face and had to click 30 times to get rid of that shit
    >clicking on any tab triggers another pop-up for an event or advertising a ski
    >immediately lose all will to play the game and only did so since im playing with friends

    I felt like a iPad baby after that shit holy fuck
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    >>586334941
    not if i have anything to say about it
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    >>586335090
    this man has come to give me cringe and he's beaten me and raped me
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    Warden being a cop is awesome actually
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    >>586335090
    that's a cool idea for a redesign
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    >>586335090
    Isn't warden suppose to have a magic mind reading blocking helmet?
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    >>586335206
    No he's just autistic.
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    >>586334840
    I'm literally in the testing area right now, ten leeches with healing booster doesn't even out gen HALF the damage done by blood tribute
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    >>586335263
    test this!
    *whips it out*
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    >>586335263
    okay, what do leeches scale off of? what do you not gain when you're in the hideout?
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    >>586335345
    pounds, because the game is set in America
    conniptions, because my stupid nigger teammates don't exist yet
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    I played Silver for the first time today and while I won with her (10/8/14 lmao), she feels fucking abysmal to play as and weak as shit most of the time.
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    GOING IN
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    >>586332765
    CUTE
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    >>586335497
    >YOU CAN SEE THE JETPACK IS RASY TO USE!!
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    >>586335206
    he's the child of alchemists who have raised him from birth to be a weapon against the patrons
    clearly a part of that is learning to inure one's mind against their influence
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    IN HERE, I AM QUEEN!
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    >>586334941
    i actually had an interaction as warden where i counter ulted a sinclair stealing harrow ult and won the rift teamfight with that play btw
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    >>586335563
    he's gonna be like the protagonist in deaths in tokimeki. deep cut for any kino enjoyers there.... finna see warden eating his own wrists at the end fr ong
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    >>586335206
    No he's stopping the patrons from reading his mind through pure Willpower (Gain a Barrier and bonus move speed.)
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    >>586335345
    Not in the hideout as the post you just replied to clearly said but I can see the wisdom in that meme ass build in a game that runs real late. You know when headshot booster falls off when you know how to click heads? And their sure as shit useful earlier than trying to waste half my slots on a hijacked Gun Geist build
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    >>586335497
    with how easy he is to counter now he basically only exists to trade 1 for 1 with a squishy hero by coming in from a weird angle and I think that's great
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    >>586335189
    cops are based (except for when I'm doing crime)
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    >>586335189
    He's not a cop
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    its really sad when someone dies like a retard so you send a ? in chat, and then they try to do the same when they kill you completely normally later
    >>
    That bitch violet was not nerfed enough she needs to be unplayable NOW
    >>
    >>586335662
    damn that's a deep cut
    would you say it's actually 'good' or just a memorable concept
    >>
    >>586336113
    how so
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    >>586336123
    >when I flame someone
    >when someone flames me back
    I don't think theres been a single game where the retard who "?"s in chat doesn't get their shit rocked mid game
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    >>586336260
    nice try you disingenuous retard
    >>
    Warden is 1000% going to get a full rework and likely only Alchemical Flask is gonna stay. Valve clearly doesn't like his current iteration (and the playerbase doesnt either since he only gets played when hes OP and dogshit unfun when he isnt) and he might even get a new VA since his current one js barely avaliable. What should his other 3 abilities be and what should his gameplay identity/role be?
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    the only people in my games who ever shit talked in game and won were graves players because they are playing a busted bitchmade overtuned character
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    >>586336306
    I don't think you know what that word means little nigger sex slave
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    >>586335679
    im in a game right now and 9 minutes in i have 20 hp regen, by the time i get blood tribute i have like 46 hp regen with 10 leeches still
    >>
    >>586336421
    Rank?
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    >>586336474
    emissary
    >>
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    >>586336129
    still getting BTFO by violet in her current state is wild
    >>
    >>586336421
    died to a soul pinata award
    she's definitely not overtuned right now, either, her 2 may as well only summon a couple zombies now. it's been really funny hopping over it and fucking her face but still it's too easy to bypass atm
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    who do i unlock next bros
    i get dogshit standard queue times so choose wisely
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    Silver still feels like clunky shit to play
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    >>586336598
    >too large to fit in moving vehicles
    Not if you use children
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    >>586333987
    >Silver
    >tank
    Good luck convincing these retarded trannies to build full-tank instead of trying to DPS people as a melee character with the biggest hitbox in the game in a game full of guns. They'll never do it and will keep crying their hero is useless cause they keep trying to build damage on it.
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    >>586336685
    lets see what this dick can do
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    >>586336685
    Abrams is boring and you become a left clicker's aim trainer.

    Rem is for gays and afk farmers.

    Seven if you want to sit in lane and jungle for 30 minutes.

    Deadman Danny if you want to throw ranked games.
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    >>586336685
    You seem like a team player so you should get Danny and stop doing that
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    >>586336598
    Maggie would know that to make the engine portable all you'd need are vampire bats duh
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    >>586336753
    The clunkiness is just her being weak as shit.
    She deals no damage and is squishy as fuck.
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    >Doing okay laning with partner
    >Notice they have no hp at all
    >Tell them to back off
    >They push up
    >They die
    >Do it again as they invalidate all our effort

    This shit happens nearly every fucking game and I don't understand why? Like everything is pushed up and the enemy is killed but they still stick around for enemy to fuck them.
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    >The enemy Kelvin gets slightly ahead

    I wish the game would just auto-surrender instead of waste my time
    >>
    I understand why they had to change Apollo's riposte but I'd much prefer if they kept the stun but you can only dash to someone who actually triggered it. Feels very weak now though they kept the melee synergy
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    So why were anons here saying building ratking like a carry was pointless but his gun was gutted. Meanwhile Warden is so back. Like they didn't need to gut rat king that bad right? Is everyone here unrionic shitlow?
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    >>586336685
    DEFLATE YOUR ELO IN STYLE WITH THE CHIMERA MARK 1
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    >>586333298
    her base form kit needs rework. 1 is boring af and bola is cancer, heck even the dive kick is uninspired. What a shitty character besides the transformation lmao
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    >>586333298
    I've said it a million times, but I suppose I'll make it a million and one
    She doesn't need reworking, all she needs is three little changes

    >spread out her human form damage amongst her skills a bit so it's more consistent
    That means bola, kick and base gun damage up a bit, slam damage down by about the same proportion. Once slam isn't ~90% of her damage and you aren't completely fucked if you miss a single one of your shots, she'll be able to get into wolf form more consistently
    >lategame bloodlust requirements down a bit so getting into wolf form is more consistent
    Her lategame is horrific but her early game doesn't need help, so just something like reducing the amount by which bloodlust requirement grows by ~20% would make it so she can still reliably get into wolf and doesn't completely fall apart as the game goes on
    >wolf form t5 refresh replaced with a more consistent defensive boost
    Historically, the biggest complaint that has been wielded against her by profaggots is "ohhhh she can 1v6, she chain killed my whole team one time she's too overpowered dood". Meanwhile one of the biggest problems of playing her is managing to wolf out but still getting instantly mulched if you're even slightly behind. Making wolf form less feast or famine will alleviate both problems at once - proniggers can't cry wolf anymore, and getting into wolf actually rewards the player properly

    Three things, it's just that simple
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    >people said baba got nerfed
    >play some matches with her
    >still as strong as ever
    >her brew change actually made her even more fun
    Am I missing something here?
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    >Danny's playmate goes down by nearly 50%
    >his win rate when UP and sitting at 52%

    Holy shit they filtered out all the shitty Danny mains
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    how do you play into this comp without wanting to kill yourself
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    >>586336598
    I'm sorry but having thought about this logically, i come to the conclusion that female engineers are a totally unrealistic concept.
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    >>586333298
    give her back the scrapped bounty mechanic
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    >>586337019
    He is very oppressive and fucks the enemy team.
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    >>586337113
    She did objectively get nerfed, she's just conceptually OP so they didn't ner her hard enough to make a real difference.
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    >>586337132
    I don't, I eat the penalty for my team and return to my rightful place of low priority
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    >>586336685
    You are everything wrong with this game.
    Rope nigga.
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    >>586336165
    it's pretty good. the end is a nice twist, too.
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    >>586337260
    what's wrong with my roster...
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    am I crazy or is big head yamato kinda sexy
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    >>586337490
    her head is literally phallic shaped. you are gay
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    >>586337437
    Look at it fagboy.
    You've made it you mission in life to be as annoying as possible.
    Your parents probably hate you.
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    Just rework Apollo entirely to be an actual melee character at this point. Right now he literally doesn't do anything. He was already kind of bad at high rank before this patch now he's just a gimp there to get beat up by Baba
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    >>586336616
    all graves just ambush retards with the root for an instant burst kill and then build tank to stat check everyone. and she's the strongest ambusher in the game too, way stronger than the dedicated ones like calico or drifter
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    >>586337019
    Tanky spirit bruiser that is constantly throwing sustain potions at their feet, building torment pulse, abusing their 2 ability to run around the fight at mach 10 while applying an obnoxious amount of CC.

    WHERE have I heard this story before?
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    >>586336769
    Read that in Danny's voice
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    >three knives from shiv seven minutes in and I’m dead
    Yoshi is a retard
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    >tfw all my favorite heroes are early and midgame rapists but drop off a cliff after 20 mins

    How can I reliably end games faster? Im in the shitter-almost mid ranks and 90% of the time games go on for 40 mins. I could get 12 kills as Mina or Apollo early but my team keeps dawdling around and dont use the tempo advantage I generate for them
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    >>586337621
    the new apollo is crazy op if you know how to build him
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    >>586337037
    Or just put a fucking range limiter on it
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    >>586337804
    your grit saar?
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    >>586337863
    Be annoying and keep bitching at your team to push your advantage. It has the chance of putting them on tilt but you have to do something
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    just got accused of having an auto parry because the enemy drifter kept skill checking me with raw heavies and expecting me to not parry
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    how do I do damage as viscous? I like how the character feels to play but I feel like I'm contributing way more on the support side than with damage
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    >>586337804
    Since the ban system came out Shiv has never left it for me. They've changed how he works several times and he still stays. Of all kits they feel like Shiv needs to be strong. The dashing around tanky fuck with an execute. Fucking wish I could understand it.
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    the paradox bikini skin is going to make valve so much money
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    >>586337965
    I read that but I don't care much
    Gargoyle wife
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    >>586337095
    None of this will ever matter until she actually gets some utility for teamfights.
    There is simply too much AoP slop going around lategame for her to ever meaningfully contribute.

    The reason why people build DPS on her is because she's closer to a pick/assassin than a frontliner.
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    >>586337804
    Shiv is terrible right now and you losing is a skill issue
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    >>586333018
    I've been getting raped by him every other game it's painful
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    >Get ally Kelvin
    >He domes team with enemy Celeste
    >Get Maggie
    >Walls us off from escaping enemy
    >Get Solomon
    >Throws you into enemy with his shield
    >Get Bebop
    >He pulls the ulting Domino
    >Get Harrow
    >Throws slow and damage amp for enemy to delete you

    When does my team stop fucking me over?
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    >enemy team has violet and dynamo
    >i have to pretend this is a videogame for 30 minutes
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    >>586338068
    Wtf no he isn't.
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    >>586336784
    I build tank
    They are probably building tank
    Her health scaling is just that shit
    Cant get into wolf form without damage so you can't give all souls to tank
    There are zero items with good resistances tacked on in gun category and not too many with health
    She could be a decent drain tank brawler but Yoshi took both brawlers and lifesteal as a whole out back and shot them
    Also her +800 hp from wolf that's supposed to bring her in line with other tanks isn't affected by vitality lol
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    >>586337981
    You don't, what you do instead is anger your teammates by punching out of proper aiming over and over until they charge in like an angry fucker and you "save" them with your cube and get all the glory. Then you roll around like a retard and get stuck in a hallway while they get away.
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    >>586337981
    You're not allowed to do damage as Viscous anymore because streamers squeal about the character nonstop though you can get good damage out of a punch build if the other team are too retarded to parry and ball builds do okay damage when the CD is up. You should buy some support stuff on any Viscous build though.
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    >>586337884
    The new effect is objectively weaker than a stun and Apollo has one of the lowest damage heavy melees in the game, along with no abilities that scale with melee damage, and no innate sustain that would make playing melee apollo worth it. Radiant Regen was also extremely important and that got gutted
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    >>586338184
    >mina is more frail than a 2 foot tall rat
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    >>586331845
    Use your crazy early game advantage to rush burst items and go find unwilling participants whenever your ult is off cooldown
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    >>586338317
    Bratty Asian sluts are BUILT for getting ryonasnuffed
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    >>586338317
    Rem is a griffin he's not a rat
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    >Rosita Lopez
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    >>586333421
    He's really about the same, just buy Dispel Magic sometime after your spirit and gun spike
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    >>586338317
    He's fat and round that has to add to his health pool
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    >>586338142
    >dynamo
    why is that fat fuck allowed to be that fast
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    >Use Ratking and Mo for rank games
    >Both shot gunned dead

    I guess its time to play Drifter. Any builds I should follow?
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    >>586338214
    I'm super new so I have like a third of a clue what I'm supposed to be doing, I assume the default build has all those melee abilities because the punch counts as a melee attack? As of now I mostly hang slightly behind and cube anyone missing health that doesn't seem like they'll be actively impeded by me using it. I still try to get shots and punches in but the punch is pretty hard to line up so I'm not sure if I'm meant to be getting closer.
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    >>586337981
    Viscous is the best grief character in the game because cube and punch can cuck ults and you can goo ball and then rescue beam someone and send both of you miles into the enemy team
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    I played against my first cheater today. How likely is it that our reports end up in getting her banned?
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    rem is the garfield of heroes
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    >>586338317
    Speaking of, why is rem susceptible to melee damage?
    Wouldn't his lack of mass make it harder to land substantial blows?
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    >>586338317
    Haze birth some healthy boys.
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    >>586338698
    Perfect height for punting.
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    >>586338546
    Yeah the devs seem to want you to play punch Viscous but they overbuffed it at the start of the year then gutted the ability's damage afterwards so it's not really viable unless you're playing into people who can't find their F key, it takes a few games before you get a feel for where to puddle punch and putting it on instant/quick cast over confirm makes it a little easier once you adjust to that mode since you're relying on the targeting indicator less. You're positioning about right but your main tool for damage is going to be splatter, puddle punch is mainly to bounce people back into your team or your allies out of danger and as a movement tool, Viscous has some insanely good movement since you can add the velocity you get off dashes, wall jumps and air vents to puddle punch.
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    time to queue up and play gun rem
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    >>586338698
    do you have a brain disease that makes it hard to hit a 4 foot tall todler standing 2 feet in front of you?
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    >>586338403
    >ryonasnuffed
    Sigh, that's another niche fetish I'm starting to become into due to shitposts
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    >>586339030
    You don't have to do that anon
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    >>586339030
    It's not that niche, especially when it comes to any games where there are female enemies you can beat up, brutalize, stun, lock up with crowd control effects
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    >>586338184
    Unironically if you have any orange items besides Slowing Bullets, you're not building enough tank. If some faggot retard can make Tank Graves work with a half-assed tank build you can make Silver work with a FULL tank build. You're not intended to do damage/get kills, you exist to be a massive backline disruption.
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    >It's another episode of my lane partner being a sissy support bitch that refuses to poke for the first 10 minutes of the game when i'm playing a tempo hero
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    >>586336784
    >build her as tank
    >can't use ult
    >still squishy as shit as she has dogshit health scaling
    >also be useless as a tank as you deal no damage and have no cc or disruption
    lmao
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    I play drifter like a rapist
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    >>586339507
    that's implied
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    i just realized this thread is basically 90% blogposts
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    >>586339486
    >no disruption
    >tail swipe literally disarms M1ggers
    >b-buh dispel magic
    >echo shard tail swipe
    >m1gger doesn't get to play the game unless they buy Unstoppable (m1ggers would rather die irl than buy this unless it's Seven players)
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    Raping their guardians.
    Raping their troopers.
    Raping their haunts.
    Raping their sinner's sacrifices.
    Raping their supports.
    Raping their boxes.
    Raping their pick characters.
    Raping their walkers.
    Raping their comeback rift.
    Raping their frontliners.
    Raping their base guardians.
    Raping their attempt at contesting midboss.
    Raping their shrines.
    Raping their carries.
    Raping their patron.
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    >>586339627
    Thats every online game general
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    >>586339376
    Gimme a build I'll run it
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    >>586339376
    Silver doesn't do anything when built as a full tank, she can't disrupt a backline unless they're retarded enough to pay attention to her.
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    Which DOTA hero could be ported directly over to Deadlock and do well
    No you can't change something like "acorns now bounce of walls a hurr durr durr" this is a REAL thought experiment, not a lust provoking post.
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    >>586339469
    >winning lane first 2 mins, even getting a kill
    >lane partner just leaves and does boxes at 3 mins causing the entire lane to flip
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    >>586339801
    Hoodwink
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    >>586339801
    Bristleback, he'd probably be OP if anything because you'd be able to move in any direction with your back turned.
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    >>586339801
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    Silver's kit is unironically too difficult for me to execute. I would put her up there with some of the most difficult characters to play
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    Make Kelvin's beam ricochet off the walls in the dome
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    >>586339646
    >echoshard

    Bricklo…
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    >>586339972
    Her kit is really easy to execute it just has a prerequisite of being able to aim
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    >>586339961
    >world's luckiest gambler (fucking retarded)
    >wraith hates him
    ludo
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    >>586339972
    It's not difficult, it's just too weak.
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    >rape lane
    >random teammate on other side of map ragequits
    >get the greenlight to leave around 25 minutes
    ah yes the perfect deadlock game experience
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    >>586339801
    Beastmaster
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    How actively malicious is the Doorman, you think? Is he being sincere when he says he enjoys serving humanity for now, or is that just a front to fuck with people's heads?
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    >>586339908
    You fucker
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    >>586339801
    Pls add kunkka yoshi
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    >>586340160
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    >>586339761
    >>586340065
    As opposed to building damage and just dying while doing no damage to anybody anyway? There is literally no way to make Silver playable as a DPS in a game full of gun-toting psychopaths without making her Baba levels of broken. You can either go tank and buy Echo Shard and whatever actives keep the main threat from having fun you can or you can keep building damage just to die in 2 seconds flat and achieve even less anyway whenever you're not ahead by like 10k souls due to not winning the 0-15 retarded update tourist coinflip.

    >>586339758
    I ain't got one, I don't play that dumpster hero. I'm just pointing out the fact that if some blatant homofaggot can make Tank Graves of all things work with a half-assed tank build, then SOMEBODY can do a full tank Silver and AT LEAST survive teamfights and be a nuisance with it.
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    >>586339030
    >>586339202 is right and half the Deadlock girls practically beg for it
    Take Vindicta for a moment
    She spends the entire match floating around overhead out of reach. She knows she'll be flying yet she still chooses to wear a dress and go barefoot precisely to tease you with occasional upskirt flashes
    Even when its totally ineffective due to range falloff, you will get annoyed by her plinking you with her M1 from a mile away for 3 damage per shot. She does it to keep her presence in your mind

    Of course when you do catch her you want to not just kill her but to beat her, normally you beat an enemy in order to kill them, but with her the goal is beating her, killing her is just the side effect of absolutely mauling her body. Stunlocking her until cum is leaking from all her holes and she's covered in bruises and scratches and her left shoulder is dislocated. Her face is tearstreaked, lip is bloody, her eyes slightly glazed from a concussion. You flip her over onto her back and fuck her again and this time you reach your hands around her neck and her eyes light up like fireworks. Why? Because she got her wires crossed when they killed her at the gallows, she won't ever admit it but getting choked, asphxyiated, breathplay etc makes her cum so hard she often squirts during the orgasm then pees herself when her abdominal muscles relax afterwards. So this time the moment you feel yourself ready to pump one last hot load against her bruised battered cervix, you twist your hands hard. And her neck getting snapped sends her over the edge so that even as she dies she jerks and convulses in a full-body orgasm and her pussy spasms around your cock

    Oh and her death sound effect (the kind of breathy, 50% moan 50% squeal) plays right as you crush her windpipe
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    >>586339801
    acorns bouncing off walls provoke lust in you?
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    they should steal heroes of the storm heroes instead
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    >>586338034
    So curvy you can put her in anything and it'll sell
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    >play with friends
    >same dog shit matchingmaking as all mobas
    >one game against bot tier players or people dcing
    >next game against people with 800+ hours
    This genre seriously needs to be dumpstered because its not even good by multiplayer standards. Enjoy the closed beta because when this game actually launches its going to be raped by microtransactions and balancing
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    >>586339801
    This game NEEDS Sven.
    I can already hear "pro" players begging Yoshi to nerf Unstoppable into the ground because they are getting shredded buy buy close range autos.
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    >>586340157
    likely genuine in his intention to serve in this incarnation, but he admits in his voice lines he has dedicated most of his leisure time as a deity towards punishing or toying with humanity
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    start doing THIS
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    I just want to play Harrow, stand around corners and heal my entire team to full with ricochet. Occasionally making a half decent ult play I guess but mostly just being extra health for the team.
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    >>586340368
    Built for accidentally timestopping herself somewhere like the Bronx or Harlem, and being taken advantage of by passing homeless who use her as a cumdrain
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    If Yoshi was actually balancing around Nightshift GT would have been nerfed and Apollo would have been nuffed since GT has been raping in Nightsift and Apollo disappeared ever since the new map dropped
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    >>586340157
    Bro when you kill 5 people in a row he says
    >"In time I will butcher you all."
    At 9 he says
    >"I haven't slaughtered man like this for years, what a treat."
    Not to mention when he kills someone in the hotel it plays a 30 second voice clip of everything wrong with them and taunting them, complete with demonic voice going in and out.
    He is literally just a bored god, and eventually he will tire of whatever he is doing and go back to whatever the fuck he considers "butchering" people is.
    Considering The Doorman proper sees itself as an entity apart from the main entity, but still connected to it, he's kind of like The Holy Ghost/Son to the Baroness's Father.
    The Baroness is the real deity (or the spacial zone within it), but it cut off a pinky of itself to experience the world, and that is Doorman. Hence why he can get punched and defeated, but still connected to itself.
    He truly is a fascinating character.
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    they should steal league heroes instead specifically naafiri
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    Paradox in a pair o' crocs
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    >>586340329
    most intelligent poster ITT
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    >>586339627
    we are already friends
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    >>586340727
    who?
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    What if unmasked Paradox is indian
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    >>586340769
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    >>586338403
    >>586339030
    >>586339202
    >>586340329
    No joke the female heroes' critical damage portraits in this game are turning me into a ryonafag. Very much so for Mina and Silver but Holliday in particular makes my dick diamonds. The sideways glance, chin tucked in, the scratch on her cheek, the pleading look in her bruised eye. It screams of domestic abuse victim. Just fucking look at picrel
    >Bad night where both of you argued and it devolved into a screaming match until she started putting on her cowgirl cosplay and saying she was leaving. And that pushed you over the edge so you grabbed her by her stupid scarf and smacked her over the head with a closed fist until she started crying and begged you to "stop, stop, you're hurting me" so you let her go. And now she's standing in the foyer (but her hand is no longer on the doorknob) and looking at you like picrel. And you feel blood flowing to your cock because you know she's wet now
    I get similar vibes with Graves and Vindicta too, the mussed up hair and pleading "stop, stop, I'll stop arguing, just please don't hurt me anymore, okay?" looks on their faces. It's just incredible
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    >love lash as a character
    >complete horseshit with him, like 15% winrate
    Feels bad...
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    >>586340842
    HOT A WHAT BHABBIAT
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    >>586340329
    enjoyed reading this. sad that AO3 is down rn
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    >>586339801
    >>586339908
    >>586340160
    >>586340303
    least obvious samefag
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    >>586340896
    REMINDER that when they hanged Vindicta by the neck until dead, it crossed her wires so now she can only cum if she feels she's being asphyxiated. She feels very conflicted and ashamed of it but she secretly keeps a noose at home so that when she fingerblasts herself she can feel the sensation of her neck getting pressed down on tighter and tighter...
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    >>586339801
    Dark Willow, unironically, would have fit in with the AoE slop cast we just got.
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    >>586340925
    The first step toward getting. 70% win rate is sucking shit and having a 15% learning experience.
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    >>586340157
    well first I have to decide if The Baroness created Doorman or if he was created separate from The Baroness and that's just where he happened to wind up. The Baroness is obviously evil, but if it created him then he's being sincere in a way, even if whatever created him isn't.
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    >>586340962
    If you want more Hoodwink you could just ask
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    >>586340314
    The difference being (on top of spirit items being disgustingly over statted) enemies have to come to you and your zombies and once you kill them you are not only able to push, but have a much stronger push now that your grave is uncontested and zombies are pushing
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    >>586340896
    Sort of tangentially related but since Geist used to have a German husband and was likely already around since the early 1800's a dumbass little headcanon I have is she and her husband did dirty "French village girl, Prussian soldier" roleplay in the bedroom. Like as he's creampieing her she makes some lewd comment about how her egg is like Bonaparte getting encircled at Sedan
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    >>586340896
    This one just makes me feel bad even though she deserves it
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    >>586340962
    Anon why do you have no joy left in your body
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    Buff mirage
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    >>586341051
    From his voice lines he is obviously The Baroness god but also is a fragment of him that he allowed to separate from itself, but still *is* that god. What I'm saying is that The Doorman is basically Jesus.
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    >>586340896
    2nd most intelligent poster ITT
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    >>586340157
    Idk bro.
    How sincere do you think The King in Yellow is from a scale of 1 to 10?
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    >>586339801
    Sniper (M1's that actually do meaningful damage at actually long ranges but has a hard capped range of like 50 meters that scales up to 75 meters with boons by mid-game) but make it a cute shortstack girl.
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    >>586341072
    >>586341163

    >>586340962
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    >>586341353
    We need less snipefaggotry not more
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    >>586341457
    The only reason Vindicta is a problem is cause she fucking flies. Obviously I am not advocating for more flying Sniper faggotry that not even flanking does anything about.
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    >>586341439
    Mad lol
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    >>586341353
    HE HE HE HE HEE!
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    >>586338429
    When are we getting a Mexican hero?
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    >>586341051
    The Baroness already existed and isn't evil at all, it's just a hotel that happens to be haunted.
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    >>586341264
    makes sense. In that case he's not being sincere and it's just a front to fuck with people or kill them, which is what I imagine "checking in at the baroness" means.
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    >>586340157
    >Arin. Your mother and father love you and would be glad to see you come ho-*laughter* sorry, i tried but i couldn't keep a straight face, you have no home.
    >Wesley, you dedicated your life to protecting others but in the end you couldn't protect your son. Or his wife. Or their children. How many moments of their lives did you miss because you were too busy. Because you were traveling for work. Because your calling was important and your family would be there when you return. Yes... their lives were stolen; but it was you who robbed them of a father. Well done.

    Doorman is evil RIGHT NOW bro
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    BONK
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    Ectoplasussy...
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    what do i do as silver after 20 minutes? i feel like grouping happens and people have the items to fight back and pop me like a balloon.
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    >>586339972
    bro her combo plays itself once you land the boot kick. what are you even doing
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    >>586341670
    he's larping because he's bored. when he kills people he loses the larp and remembers yeah, i actually sure do love killing people
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    If violet was as hot as luna snow nobody would care about her being OP
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    >>586340157
    he's satan and the baroness is hell. that's the only thing that makes sense to me
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    >>586341847
    Nothing, she's the worst hero in the game.
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    >>586342042
    lucifer is in dota doe
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    Remove Nurse Harrow. Soraka doesn't belong in Deadlock.
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    >>586341910
    >luna snow
    Who?
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    >>586337047
    because warden is the main character of deadlock
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    Remove Violet. Kiriko doesn't belong in Deadlock.
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    remove bebop. blitzcrank doesnt belong in deadlock.
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    Would you be easier on violet if she were some form of artificial life?
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    >>586339717
    hi wraith
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    >>586342343
    That's Pudge you uncultured swine.
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    fire yoshi and bring icefrog to work on deadlock
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    Remove Wraith. Wokeslop DEIslop ESGslop SBIslop doesn't belong in Deadlock.
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    >>586342402
    he's actually more like riktor from predecessor
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    >>586342464
    They're the same person dude. A year ago Icefrog accidentally posted the new update, then that was quickly deleted and Yoshi then reposted it.
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    >>586342367
    asians are already a form of artificial life
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    >>586342528
    nah
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    >>586342367
    I hope we get a living doll character
    >>
    Is Toxic Bullets on Danny a meme? Does like 2k damage overall every game
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    >>586342620
    it's dogshit
    >>
    >>586342620
    just buy healbane, especially now that it stacks
    >>
    It's remarkable how dogshit Mirage is
    >buy dispel for bebop
    >he still has a hook and his insane gun or ult
    >buy dispel for danny
    >he instantly reapplies missiles and skull fucks you to death with ult
    >buy dispel for yamato
    >she instantly recasts flying slash and runs you down anyway
    >buy dispel for mirage
    >now he literally can't do anything to you anymore
    How is this hero real?
    >>
    now that the dust has settled, did she really deserve this treatment

    no one is even playing her anymore
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    >>586342752
    She needs to be raped harder
    >>
    >>586342570
    Okay but it happened you can look it up
    >>
    >>586342620
    It was worth it for the instant application healing reduction but you'd just go healbane now.
    >>
    Holy fuck. My builds are starting to look slot-hungry because I have to fit in Battle Vest and Bullet Lifesteal on my M1s. Why did they even buff these items holy shit
    >>
    >>586342570
    it's less plausible that they aren't the same person, at this point. You'd have to do mental gymnastics to ignore the evidence.
    >>
    >>586342876
    we don't cotton to conspiracy theories round these parts, chuddy
    >>
    >>586342752
    Rest in piss violet.
    >>
    >>586342698
    put a point into scarab and two points into mark for lane/early game, and then rush tornado. Two uses will get you out of most any jam.
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    >>586342238
    Is it weird the moment I saw Warden and Lash as a white man I knew these two dudes were the only ones I wanted to play for the remainder of the game's lifespan I've recently added danny to the list but you get the point.
    >>
    >>586342869
    You don't need Bullet Lifesteal. Battle Vest is pretty busted though.
    >>
    >>586342915
    except you're the one conspiracy mongering given the facts
    >>
    >>586343000
    are you gay?
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    >>586343068
    Yeah, why?
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    >>586343121
    carry on man enjoyer
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    >>586343068
    No, but I do admire arrogant assholes and men with a mission.
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    >>586342208
    your google broken, Nigga?
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    >>586341910
    It was specifically because she was cute that everyone seethed
    >>
    >>586343020
    I worship the Enduring Speed + Fleetfoot combo so I have to get another 1.6k to complete the 4.8k.
    >Battle Vest
    >Bullet Lifesteal
    >Enduring Speed
    >>
    A Venator does not traffic in mercy.
    >>
    I for one think venator's bear traps are the best ability in the game
    >>
    >Keep trying to go gun drifter because he scales well with it
    >Game ends before I can get going
    >Just go spirit melee build
    >Just zip around letting people bleed out and jumping their ass

    I feel like I can play much safer because of it.
    >>
    BREAKING NEWS: CHINA ORDERS NETEASE TO SEND "MILLIONS" OF RIVALS PLAYERS TO DEADLOCK TO DESTROY IT
    >>
    BUFF MELEE
    HOLY FUCK I'M SO SICK BAITING PARRIES JUST TO DIE TO SHITTERS PRESSING THEIR "I WIN" BUTTON

    YOU'RE AWFUL AT THE GAME NIGGA
    SEE ME IN CHESS YOU MONGOLOID
    >>
    i have been getting some really bad teams lately
    >>
    >>586342869
    >>586343430
    lifesteal is dogshit now with the healbane stack change. get a shieldslop item for your 3rd 1.6k until they get nerfed
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    Candies should replace the healing bats
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    why build your own builds? you should trust the experts in public builds. I stopped building and saw an immediate improvement
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    *parried*
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    >Seven unironically thinks the Patrons will turn him in a rival power
    For how much this retard talks down to people he really cant think critically can he?
    >>
    >>586344252
    building your own builds allows you counter build and learn the game more. Unfortunately this game has become so lobotomized that counter-building rarely does anything. I'm unironically nostalgic for 2024 Deadlock and hope they give us a version of it. The game is so predictable now it's becoming REALLY boring.
    >>
    >>586339469
    >It's another episode of my lane partner being a sissy support bitch that refuses to poke for the first 10 minutes of the game
    generally support heroes fuck in lane though, look at paige, she just runs at you and statchcks you for the first 15 minutes of the game, kelvin used to rush nades and just spam those and if you got too close he'd ray ya, rem gets a free heal on his 2 so he has to keep trading.
    don't let the way people play discourage you or give supports a bad name, i feel like valve did a nice thing with em and it'll show even more once roles are more properly defined and we get a draft system into the game.
    >>
    Apollo's new Parry doesn't actually feel that bad. You lost one of the best use cases for it still works.
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    >>586343926
    Bad teams have been a problem since the update came out retard.
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    >>586332570
    >learning Drifter
    >have no idea what I'm doing
    >dive people in lane whenever my 1 is off cooldown, usually leave lane with 3-4 deaths
    >mindlessly roam the enemy jungle looking for kills, die more
    >chain die in late game if I'm at all behind because the window of opportunity to kill anyone is so small when everyone can cross the map in seconds
    >YouTube recommends me some Eternus 6 Drifter gameplay
    >the only difference is that he kills more people while dying over and over
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    >>586344729
    late game you need to tone it down more and just fish with stalker's mark 2 cause respawn times are so long one bad fight can kill your entire team, but for the first 20 minutes you can be as retarded as you want it's great
    >>
    >grinding standards for ranked
    >pop off and rape every lobby
    it sucks knowing i'll get my shit rocked when I return to ranked. I hate that I'll get used to going after super-tards instead of regular tards.
    >>
    Is ratting the secret strat to winning low elo games?
    >>
    >>586345283
    no, ratting does nothing in deadlock you need to secure mid boss
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    >>586345283
    >shitlow
    >everyone perma brooling
    >quietly eat every walker except blue
    >constantly pushing creeps in Yellow and Green
    >they're still broolin on blue
    Yeah it's works out well in your favor but your retard team mates won't use that advantage to do anything other than continue to brool
    >>
    >>586345283
    >>586345394
    Ratting wins 5% of games you have no business winning. Yes mid boss is paramount but if you are a solo then you can’t ensure you have a team to actually win the mid fight
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    PULL. OUT.
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    >>586342752
    I mean, yeah. Her ult was fucking stupid, still is stupid, just less so. I hope they change it to something entirely different. I still play her, I like the rest of her kit, her nerfs are warranted by nature of the annoyance factor more than strict data. They still need to fix her draw ability from being able to fuck with creeps/objectives.
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    >Stand back! I might actually do something!
    Bring old doorman back for the love of god Yoshi. The nothingburger buff was more insulting than just not givng him anything this patch.
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    >>586344465
    they promised...
    >>
    >"We need to nerf Healing booster and remove upgrade path to it because in combination with Radiant it's OP"
    >"but wouldn't it hurt Silver, who needs HB in combination with Lifestrike?"
    >"who's Silver?"
    >>
    >>586346614
    Bola works on Gray Talon now! She's fixed!
    >>
    Last night we had a game where our Lash's had a fire alarm going off in the backgroud of his mic. We paused for a bit and he decided to ignore it. Like 8 minutes later he paused again and said his room was getting warm. He came back after a minute and decided to finish the game.
    We won. Lore accurate Lash.
    >>
    Silver downplayers?
    >>
    >>586346143
    Wonder what kind of vampire we'll get next
    >>
    >>586347124
    Graphic design is my passion the image
    I expect nothing less of someone who considers themselves a VTM specialist
    >>
    >hero’s gun is not that bad
    >most builds have literally 0 gun items

    There is like 12 hero’s described by this
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    >>586347029
    Play 100 matches on her first
    >>
    >>586347462
    post your 100+ matches
    >>
    >>586347525
    Any questions?
    >>
    >>586347029
    I've seen enough, emergency nerfs NOW Yoshi
    >>
    >>586347029
    Most of the people who like the hero for her design are mentally handicapped and unable to play the game.
    >>
    >>586347324
    yeah it's a really crazy powerpoint
    >>
    >>586347124
    If we do actually get another one (which I doubt, but still), It'd make sense if they were to be some sort of half-breed/daywalker type of deal. Making them reluctant or even repentant regarding their nature would offer some extra contrast to the two we have now.
    Can also always make them an occult hunter since that's a popular combination, if you don't mind stepping on Venator's niche a bit.
    >>
    >>586343739
    It just works™. It isn't surprising: the scary man who wants to jump you in a dark alley and suck your dick benefits from items that function in dick-sucking range. It's just easy to benefit from melee items on him.
    >>
    >>586347645
    show me the winrate
    >>
    >>586347124
    >>586347324
    >>586347837
    drifter is city gangrel
    mina is toreador/larping ventrue

    a third vamipre would either be a malk (psychic weirdos) or a classic nosferatu (would also fit in with victor)
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    >>586347883
    The same as her average
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    >>586347837
    >daywalker
    I want one god damn Blade rip off character in a game that isn't hot dogshit
    >>586347930
    A proper Nosferatu would go hard if they played really heavy into some kind of sewer mechanic specific for him. Something like a damage buff applied after exiting the sewers to jump someone, on a cooldown of course.
    >>
    >>586347837
    >>586347930
    Obvious (boring) answer would just be an establishment old blood vampire, maybe a visiting vampire leader that would support Mina just to fuck with Simon. the viscount reminds me of the Anita Blake books which have a decent bit of political drama about vampire leadership in between being dumbass smut
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    dokibird is the face of deadlock
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    >>586347124
    Hopefully its like a top dog high society vampire. We got Mina the glorified peasant, Drifter the powerful murder hobo, we need a proper high class vampire that shits on Mina and wants Drifter dead
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    stalker upgrade doko

    >>586348454
    simon pardoner makes me think of strauss from bloodlines
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    >spectate a random match from the front page
    >one team has really weird ass fucking builds
    >everyone performs poorly
    >it's a phantom lobby
    I've seen better players in Seeker, what the fuck?
    >>
    >>586348380
    when youre playing deadman danny and youre trying to ignore the fact 3 people on the enemy team just swapped to i-frame/disjoint abilities to fuck with your dive
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    gun and melee are treated like üntermensch scum while spirit pedos keep FEASTING all the good items
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    >>586347124
    Which werewolf tribe Silver would belong to if she was a WoD character?
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    >>586332139
    But I don't even use that face + I've been unsubbed from slop xiv for months
    >>
    What are Shiv and Calico even fighting in the ritual for? What's their wish?
    >>
    I'm starting to like Frenzy. This item is kinda underrated.
    >>
    deadlock mmo doko

    >>586349136
    I haven't played shiv in years, but iirc his old patron lines said he wanted to make something of himself, become king (elvis joke), etc
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    >>586349136
    I don't think it's directly stated for either of them, but Shiv is presumably there seeking acceptance - probably something the Baxter Society wants. Calico is a little weirder since she already has a fuckin yacht apparently, so it's not like she's wanting for money, which would be the obvious. Totally unsubstantiated guess but I'd assume she's marked for death by something she knows she can't avoid forever, or similarly cursed, and needs the patron's help to get out of it.
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    >>586349136
    Round start lines for Shiv are about being accepted into the Baxter Society, for Calico it's about her past catching up with her.
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    >Play Carry
    >End up being a decent Support making my partner fed
    >Play Support
    >End up getting Fed
    Watch, I'll play Nurse Harrow and have 10+ kills like my Ivy games
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    >>586348637
    that's just an EU phantom team being matched with an NA phantom team
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    >>586348939
    She's probably a Ronin since she seems to operate entirely on her own and never mentions other Garou or being part of a Sept in her conversations as far as I'm aware. If she had to belong to a tribe I'd say Bone Gnawers would fit her best
    >>
    What the fuck does Silver even do when she's not snowballing
    >>
    >>586350054
    discount Calico
    >>
    >>586350054
    wiggles her ass for the knot
    >>
    >patch just came out
    >thread already dead
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    silver but her wolf form has huge tits
    >>
    solomon
    >strategic genius
    >actually just spams AoEs and runs away
    wraith
    >gambler
    >just spams 1 and left clicks

    any more thematically confused characters like this?
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    >>586350608
    95% of the characters
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    >>586344252
    Why play the game? you should trust the experts to play the game better than you. I stopped playing and saw an immediate improvement
    >>
    silver but her wolf form has a huge cookie
    >>
    I see so many fucking rat kings going 1/15 kd and never using their ult even once whats going on
    >>
    >>586350752
    character got deaded
    >>
    >>586350109
    she's just like me...
    >>
    >>586350797
    nta but they were doing that before the nerf
    >>
    >>586350752
    hes the king of the rats baby
    >>
    >>586350507
    bro people are out for halloween
    >>
    >Victor raping his way to victory
    ANTIHEAL ITEMS WERE BUFFED USE THEM!!!!!!!!!
    >>
    >>586350054
    Nothing
    >>
    >>586350851
    paige...
    >>
    >>586350908
    I've been buying vampiric burst on Gun Victor, no one really expects his machine(nail)gun to immediately heal him back to full.
    >>
    >watch brick gameplay
    >everyone is retarded
    >watch gold gameplay
    >everyone is smarter but still retarded
    >watch oracle gameplay
    >everyone is smart
    >watch ascendent gameplay
    >everyone is very smart
    >watch eternus gameplay
    >everyone is braindead retarded
    what happens in people in eternus
    >>
    >>586349931
    Wait, why is there a cross-region matchmaking? Wouldn't that result an abysmal ping for one of the teams?
    >>
    >>586350524
    this
    +
    >>586350651
    this
    +
    she also has a huge throbbing rocket
    >>
    >>586351093
    >no one expects victor to heal a lot
    you retarded?
    >>
    >>586350851
    white women really be like that
    >>
    >>
    >Haze and Shiv lane
    Faggots
    >>
    >suicide Victor actually works
    >>586347930
    I'm thinking we should get a Tzim
    >>
    Is gun shiv an actual real thing now? Or is this hero back to being d-tier after radiant regen nerf
    >>
    YO WHAT THE FUCK IS UP WITH HOLLIDAY AND EVERY FAGGOT GOING FULL GUN ON HER, NIGGERS ARE DOING 2K DAMAGE INSTANTLY
    >>
    >>586348380
    pov paige is driving and her husband spots her with her lover
    >>
    people are ai generating whatever they want now lol
    >>
    Dannyfags with zero movement tech are going to be really sad when the hero gets nerfed to compensate for high elo danny mains rocket jumping around the map. The tech is there, and people are learning it fast.
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    i havent played since before the patch so can anyone tell me if mirage is playable again
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    >>586352701
    I mean at least she looks cute and not a racial stereotype like the other one.
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    >>586347124
    You could do practically anything with Vampires, but much more challenging? How could you add another werewolf character that isn't just Silver 2.0?
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    >>586352776
    she has on a chain
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    >>586351472
    I may not be a white woman physically or mentally, but I am a white woman spiritually
    >>
    oh okay then
    >>
    >>586352864
    Still nicer to look at
    >>
    >>586351518
    Sex with this library girl
    >>
    I’m just getting into Deadlock, I’m having a really hard time gauging damage. How much I’ll be doing and what to be expecting. Any tips?
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    Does Kelvin beam stack healbane now? Is he back?

    Also how do you bait parries as Billy
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    >>586353163
    >123 ping
    found the problem, unfortunately
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    >>586352792
    A teetotaler who has extreme control over lycanthropy, where one skill is something like Baba's Long Legs but with a partial animalization. Ult could be something that doesn't even have anything to do with being a werewolf. That or kind of forego strict lycanthrope and adapt Manimal. Each skill lets him painfully and slowly transform into a different animal that is in no way special or useful.
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    Cute
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    >>586353163
    thats what happens when someone who is brown uses cheat mods to connect to white servers, you have to parry a full second in advance because of the browntency (brown latency)
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    >>586353227
    When you hold tab there's a little icon of your hero on the right hand side.
    It will show the incoming damage sources from the last 30s, or your last life if you're dead. Use that info to judge which heroes to be scared of.
    The window can also show your outgoing damage sources.
    >>
    >Victor
    >Warden
    >Geist
    >(backup Wraith)
    These are my best heroes. Rate.
    >>
    >>586353538
    Beginner level characters, what else could be said?
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    >>586353594
    Yeah... carry heroes are braindead easy to learn in this game for some reason. I guess the macro matters more for them?
    >>
    We all know who the most cancer new heroes are at this point, but which one has the most annoying and cancer player base?
    >>
    >>586353778
    Rat King
    Nothing beats gay furries in annoyingness
    >>
    I played 6 gorillion games of danny in street brool and now that i am farming my standard wins I have become a laning god. I never lose lane and I always shitstomp carry...until laning ends. I realize I have no fucking idea what to do with this guy after laning phase besides brool. His push feels horrible so I just go around the map looking for low health targets to rape. It has worked so far with 4 wins under the belt but I'm always down 5k-10k souls in these games.

    How to macro as danny
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    >>586347029
    My wife Silver is so heckin strong
    >>586349723
    My wife Silver is so pathetically weak...
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    >>586351101
    This is a well-documented phenomena, but not one yet properly explained
    We just don't know what causes it
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    >>586353847
    youre probably building gun which is shit for mid game. Build spirit.
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    >>586353778
    silver, violet and harrow are competing for 1st place
    >>
    >2 of 3 lanes win very well early
    >but their team actually understands macro
    >I'm the only one on janny duty despite also being an Abrams who wants to be in the retarded fights
    >every fight happens when the waves are about to crash
    >even when we win, we're basically losing
    >all my deaths come from saving others while our team dicks around
    >we lose because they can just take mid and other shit for free all game
    lol
    Fuck this dogshit game
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    >>586353847
    going around and getting into fights is what danny does. yeah you end up with less farm than the hypercarry at the end but the hypercarry has all that farm because you were causing problems elsewhere and making space for them to farm
    you can try slotting in trophy collector if you'd like since you're brooling anyways
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    >>586353778
    Violetfags were the ones calling people racist/sexist for not liking her
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    >>586353778
    Dannyfags are unfunny redditors
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    Run the Urn.
    Defend the Lane.
    Spam the turrets.
    Be annoying.
    Repeat.
    Win.
    >>
    >win 3 2v1 in one game
    get gaped
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    >>586354217
    Now do that without pressing 4.
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    >>586354217
    >man fights two toddlers at once
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    >>586354217
    >on Geist
    Is that supposed to be impressive?
    >>
    >>586351101
    The big dogs are usually carried by good micro and have retarded macro also they all have huge egos and hate eachother
    >>
    >>586354312
    *refreshes* no
    >>
    >>586353778
    Shiv players, they play one of the most busted characters ever and seem to talk made shit, especially when they get away by dashing away
    >>
    I know street brawl is a shit mode but I'm so fucking tired of getting a gun focused infernus in street brawl on my team every single fucking game, its like an auto loss and its happening every game since they nerfed the slop heroes.
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    >>586338284
    >Apollo has one of the lowest damage heavy melees in the game
    because he can hit you with -50% melee resist, meaning he does the most melee damage in the game
    >no abilities that scale with melee damage
    why does he need abilities that scale with melee (all weaker then actual heavy melee damage) when he can just do actual heavy melee's on you for free because your ally fired 1 bullet a him
    >no innate sustain that would make playing melee apollo worth it
    you mean besides the 75% (90% with heal booster btw) bullet/spirit/lifesteal he gets for parrying you? he can literally heavy melee you 1 time and heal 1000 hp

    >Radiant Regen was also extremely important
    ???? radiant was only good if you either have a dot/on hit spirit effect to keep refreshing the cooldown, or big aoe's to stack it. this is why baba and violet who had both were extremely oppressive with it. apollo has fucking NEITHER of these. he's always been a 1v1 gawd outside of sometimes being able to use ult on several people
    >umm but actually 1 time I used sigil in a midboss fight and hit 3 people with it
    yeah w/e
    >>
    >>586353778
    danny, and i say this as a danny player. i have done things to some people that i can't say i'm proud of
    they were funny as fuck though
    >>
    >>586354629
    Dont bother trying to explain how apollo works to bricklows here, it's good to see another person sees that apollo got buffed instead of nerfed
    >>
    I just don't want to play while the candy shit is in. This is stupid
    >>
    >rape Graves in lane
    >she somehow ends up 15k over everyone else's networth
    >no one focuses her even when I'm chain stunning her
    >we lose
    This is so fucking stupid
    >>
    >they don't parry when I bait it multiple times
    >they do parry whenever i randomly commit
    >if I succeed, they lose 20% of their hp
    >if they succeed, I fucking die
    LET ME
    THE
    FUCK
    OUT
    FUCK THIS AWFUL MECHANIC CUNT
    >>
    >>586354963
    i still don't get why you take extra damage when parried
    isn't getting stunned for nearly 3 seconds enough?
    >>
    Uninstalled this shit. The update did nothing to address guns being overpowered.
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    >>586354853
    I fucking wish that could happen to me
    Whenever I play Graves everyone hyperfocuses me the moment I dare exist near a teamfight
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    >>586355293
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    >>586354963
    Every melee build needs Indom
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    >>586354091
    >>586354963
    Played a game as Abrams earlier, got stunned during heavy despite level 2 charge and them not having debuff reduction
    Why the fuck would you engage with melee at all in this game. It seems like all the best melee characters don't even do melee properly. They just get free heavies because of all the other random CC and because they're building gun it still hurts
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    >>586355383
    Indom is a meme as some kind of melee buffer. So many things break it. Your only choice is unstop and then they just start dash jumping away
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    >see warden got buffed
    >still has a 40sec cool down on his shitty shield
    >his snare is locked from the location it started and just makes someone dash away
    My god he's shit
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    >>586355293
    was about to ask kek
    shame, didn't play since the patch that nerfed spirit investment, and it's gonna stay that way ig
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    >>586355407
    you just made this up because you didnt post a webm of it happening
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    >>586332849
    >actually grinding Mirage
    didn't you get the memo? the character is putrid shit (to play and to win with), he's pretty much the designated esportslop character until he gets a rework
    >>
    >get a lane partner that tells me he's going in seconds before he dives rather than a second after he starts diving
    >my other two lanes didn't feed
    actually remarkable stuff. I think I forgot what it was like to not be matched with genuinely braindead retards, feels nice. can't wait for my next game being full of retards again, like it never happened
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    >>586355557
    I like him though.
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    so who's the annoying shithead after the last patch?
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    >>586356184
    (you)
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    >You now remember original riposte and when Apollo was made out to be a spirit character instead of being worse abrams
    It's kinda sad watching characters lose their identities in real time while watching others get immediately buffed back into relevancy after getting nerfed.
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    >>586356381
    Ah yes the famous spirit apollo identity of shitstomping in the first 10 minutes then he stops existing, so sad we lost that!
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    >>586333298
    Replace either bola or the dash with some sort of tracking prey mechanic, she's a superhuman with enhanced senses like smell and hearing (canon) and a good bounty hunter, do something with it
    Give her 3 stamina and revert the numerous werewolf nerfs
    Her 1 should be different so it deals aoe damage, it's pretty mediocre
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    >lane partner is a self admitted drunk playing Silver
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    Every game is just everyone brooling on bloo while 1 guy is playing janitor on lane
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    >>586356634
    maybe the bola could be enchanted to deal damage over time and allow silver to teleport to whoever it hits, but in exchange loses the slowing hex effect so the frustration of CC is removed
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    >>586356687
    >lane partner is on deaths row playing Seven
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    >>586357098
    >lane partner died while playing victor
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    >>586356381
    Heroes shouldn't have a "damage identity" they should have multiple valid builds, as was the case during 2024lock
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    >>586356381
    one of the best spirit items in the game for doing spirit damage requires you to hit someone with a melee in order to use it btw
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    >>586356479
    tbf he had more damage and higher scaling than he did compared to now, followed up by the ability to actually leave when a situation was bad so more like 25 mins than does nothing. Unlike Apollo now where he does nothing after laning phase cause dispell magic is the best item in the game.
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    >>586357274
    gun apollo is pretty good though
    >>
    honestly getting real tired of the rivals/overwatch crowd now
    >”Dude you’re literally AFK why are you fixing the lanes and not deathballing mid at 17 min like the rest of us”

    Every standard game is like this now, getting accuses to trolling because you actually do the MOBA macro instead of just fighting nonstop before even hitting like 15k souls
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    >>586356687
    Just had this happen except it was a drunk Seven who went 2/16 and didn't buy a single green
    >>
    >Low cortisol
    Rem
    McGinnis
    Bebop
    >Normal neural load
    Victor
    Infernus
    Drifter
    >[ALERT: High Cortisol Warning]
    Viscous
    Billy
    Shiv
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    Good morning! Time to play some Haze!
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    >>586357552
    shouldn't you be saying good night?
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    >>586357371
    they're probably right honestly, shove wave and go fight

    even on wraith you should be ulting off CD

    deadlock is too fast paced to let one nigga farm for 20 mins without helping at all
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    >>586357186
    >can hear lane partner's wife yelling at him over vc playing sinclair
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    You don't need to post the same fucking video every god damn thread, or if you are gonna ritual post at least say something with it fuck
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    I know it will not happen but if Deadlock's RoR mode added Diablo style loot drops and an in-game economy or trading market for items among people playing it I think I wouldn't be able to ever let go
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    >>586357509
    what if mina was black and had big tits
    >>586357631
    would suck just like those games (havent played any)
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    >can never have an Al Capone style mob boss hero in the game because of Wraith
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    Imagine banning Violet only to get your ass whooped by tank Graves.
    They legitimately would've had more chances to win if they let me play Violet
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    >>586357192
    How exactly would you design mnk in a world where his gun is actually useful?
    >>
    Isnt it weird how basically all the female heroes have been accused of having sexual relations with canines but none of the male heroes have?
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    >>586357687
    Whatever. Just make two of them. Make them rivals who fuck idc just make it happen. Wraith can be Deadlock Tony's goomar.
    >>
    They say in his youth Yoshi was called "ratsmacker" because he smacked rats
    >>
    They say Yoshi is now called childtoucher because... well...
    >>
    seeing the person I'm 1v1 shit themselves in fear and start to run after my 5 djinn's marks go off on them and they go from 80% to 10% hp makes my cock hard as a rock
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    Yoshit i know you're here
    Make Mystic Slow a 3200 item that needs a spirit damage threshold to trigger like Spirit Burn, then buff the move slow to 40% and dash slow to 25%
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    >>586357701
    theoretically if you're building gun mo in a world where mo has a real gun you'd be giving up a lot of sustain since you won't have as much spirit to boost your scorn, no?
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    >>586349723
    its genuinely over...
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    >>586357687
    You got rat king retard
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    >>586358007
    That has been a normal Silver w/l ratio for months though
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    >>586357947
    Fuck off
    Mystic slow is secret OP don't ruin my chinese victor build
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    >>586357702
    I've said before that shiv strikes me as someone who would definitely fuck mares does that count
    also Billy would probably hit some cookie too
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    More heros should have their abilities have scaling with both spirit and gun at different ratios to incentivize more builds, like in league or something you have characters who scale off of both AD and AP, too many characters feel pure spirit right now, there is like Wraith and Danny who have genuine potential to go either way everyone else is just locked 100% to all spirit or all gun
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    >>586358072
    I aspire for greater things for silver. a world where silver has 3 stam and the grass is greener.
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    >>586358114
    I'm still annoyed that Rat King could easily have a spirit build if they added rats to his grenade
    >Build gun+green to be a statstick(ofc now that his gun damage has been gutted this is no longer viable)
    >Build purple+green to ratmaxx
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    >>586357976
    No you'd just build hybrid with merc mag and combo people before they die for free stacks
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    >>586357274
    counterpoint, a cocky fencer parrying your move just to airdash 270% away from you looked and felt fucking retarded and was infuriating to fight against, and now apollo has airdash/jump reset on sigil and then two casts and further backwards pushback so he can escape just fine
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