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so, are there any good planet mods yet
I am detrainsitioning.
>>586064636Nope
>>586064636Nauvis from "base mod" is pretty good you should give that one a go
>>586069583lel
finally, all my bitching to raiguard on leddit paid off
Where did all of the space (&) voxel games go?Still waiting on Starminer btw.
https://labs.ycombinator.com/projects/games/index.html#mindustry-setup
>>586067228i understandtrains is hard job
>>586079932The fad Spengies started passed, the solodev projects all turned out too slow in development to maintain hype (shocker) and 2 is too mediocre/incomplete to revive it
Wesley returns to Ughato, the swampy !Free Refined Metal! asteroid to recover gold from the volcano that's been collecting for hundreds of cycles. Unfortunately, this poor neglected asteroid has been BLASTED TO BITS and INFESTED. But this time Wesley did not come alone, he brought a friend... an artificial friend named Rover. His primary mission, clearing the landing pad so the rocket can land, is already complete. Wesley will deal with that suspicious swarm of AMORBI, being the third infestation on this asteroid. (We've just counted them with a critter sensor: there are 148 of them. A perf mod may be saving my bacon.) Meanwhile, Rover shall dunk the gold somewhere to chill.>>585798474Partitioned Storage, Reborn is hereby REJECTED for taking TWENTY-FOUR SECONDS to open the screen EACH TIME.I will probably uninstall the shine bug lamp mod; it's just a shinebug reactor encapsulator and I'm not into shinebug reactors.
what's a good "time at full output" target for batteries when playing null? 20 min?
>already getting bored of transport fever 3It was fun until I realized the entire game is basically clicking point A and point B and choosing the best vehicle (trains). Once you have a good rail/tram set up (early 1900s) there's literally no reason to use anything else.
>>586087391I've settled on this
>>586067228>detrainsitioningIt is sad that, in Space Age, trains are basically mid-game and get made obsolete by stacked green belts and liquid metal
>>586088632Come home, engineer.
>>586084272What are all those little sus guys? Whatever the fuck they called
>>586096001Crewmembers?
>>586096993the minions
>>586097097Crewmates.
>>586080359fucking gay they didn't do factorio
>>586103658yes but also gay that factorio still isn't open source>the fact that a proprietary game going open source is even in the discussion is a massive credit to the culture of wube, andstill gay
>>586093426I may be too stupid for that game, and maybe TF3 too lmao. I really do like TF3 it's just when I look at the whole map and see everything everybody needs it's so overwhelming and I can't even know where to start. I guess it makes sense now that I'm typing it out I should focus on my capital, get them as set as possible and move onto the next largest, closest town. This is only my 2nd proper attempt so I'm still learning, and doing alright but it's still a bit overwhelming.I think I way over extended myself this run, I got rails everywhere, which will need to be rebuilt eventually, I got tram lines in nearly every city and I got supplies going pretty much all over the place too. What's crazy is I feel like I'm already deep in the game but if you look at the year....1908.... so I've not even scratched the surface. I really want to set up some cargo lines with the MD-11, sit behind the wheel of a semi on the freeway and watch the scenery scream by in a Shinkansen but that feels so far off. I'm half debating restarting the run, despite it going so well becasue I've just over extended so much (or so I feel). Thanks for asking reading my blog
>>586103658no one plays factorio pvpbiter battles doesn't count
>>586104539actually they ship a pdbit would be pretty easy to recomp it if you want to pay the claude + legal bill
>>586104781>I may be too stupid for that gameIt's got an excessive amount of optional tutorials
>>586031046>>586036479am I suppose to mall these buildings or not? Please tell me. It seems like massive headache to automate steel which I need for forestry to automate wood for automation science >.<
>>586106771Unlike normal Factorio, or hell even shit like Nullius, Py needs a lot different buildings. A LOT of different buildings. These buildings also take a lot of resources and a lot of different resources.I think you should automate all the complicated parts for buildings rather than the buildings themselves.
Nothing about a mall implies it all has to be in the same place. I love sticking assemblers for buildings whereever they happen to fit and be convenient. After you get bots your assemblers for misc things can be basically anywhere, really.
>>586106771seconding "don't automate buildings themselves"They're very expensive and you need most of them in small numbers. it's like automating rocket silos except everything
Crashed ship is the garbage dump for obsolete garbage>Just shoot chestsNo
>angels spells it aluminium
does pollution even matter given there's no biters?
>>586113826it does notit extra doesn't matter because pollution should be turned off entirely to save on processingevery now and then someone plays py with biters onpity them
i'm getting filtered
>>586118108by the steam page?
redesigning my steel array, for 7.5iron ore/s, I'm seriously considering using a sushi belt for ash/fuel, thoughts? If not each lane has to has its own belt?
>>586121429
>>586121734Yeah I dont think this is worth it
>>586119125by the game's challengesbuild a transport system with limited fundsand then increase the speed, it's bullshit
>>5861245954 chests is optimistic
>>586138472HahaaaBenis
>>586138472haha animal benis
>>586139002Electricity benis
>>586145965cliff benis
>>586106771Especially early on, automating almost any buildings in Py is a fool's errand. There are dozens of buildings you will craft single-digit numbers of over a hundred hours of playtime. I'd say it's worth automating steam engines, stone furnaces, and burner mining drills, as those are used in many very basic buildings, many of which are also used in more advanced buildings. E.g. I have crafted nearly 2k steam engines on my 113 hour save that's working towards py science 2, and maybe 20 of those are placed in the world. The others have gone into crafting other buildings.I think you could probably make an argument for automating things like fluid mining drills, destructive distillation columns, and soil extractors (I've crafted upwards of 50 of each of those), but anything more advanced than that is going to be a waste.
Anyone else swear they hear "entity broken" sounds even when the game is paused?
>>586121429I found it worthwhile to forgo the usual factorio design of putting fuel and ore on the same belt for furnaces, since for basic smelting like that you have 2 inputs and 2 outputs. Inputs go on the inner side of each belt, and outputs go on the outer side. This means the fuel shares a belt with the ash and the plates with the ore, of course, which seems weird by normal factorio standards, but it helps simplify things considerably. As far as burner mining goes, I keep the fuel/ash belt, and just run one fuel/ash belt per row of drills. Ore goes on a dedicated output belt. Takes up slightly more space, but is much less of a headache to work with.
benis
>>586145965Holy shit, that benis even has a vein running down itRemarkable accuracy
>>586151276Come back zinc, come back!
I've done it, I've dozed off to a dosh video for the first time in my life after a big lunch, the spaghetti base oneit was very comfyI blame the relaxing factorio music too
>>586156574i think i've fallen asleep to his space exploration series at least 3 times. watched it in full once but i only ever go back to it when i'm tired
>>586108125good
>>586108125that is how everyone in the entire world outside of you americans and some third world country does it
>>586160389You know the worst part? The only reason the name aluminum stayed in use was a single British scientist who refused to let go of it
>>586161737damn brits
>>586158839>>586160389
>>586160389For me, it's Alumstuffhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncleftish_Beholding
the correct name is alumium
alumni*
TF3 just doesn't feel well thought-out as a game. It has all the systems more or less working, but stuff like the economy makes no sense. Noise pollution is there just because, and serves no gameplay purpose to make you consider different options. I just deleted the game.
>>586173004they made a sequel to tf2???
>>586173004Take a palette cleanser by having a stroll trough rural finland
cora has cemented us...
IT BEGINS
>>586175546weird ass base design.
>>586176028Your mother
>>586176265would have built a better base than that, yes
>>586176325You're mean and mom says I don't have to play with you anymore
>>586177301:c
>>586176028>>586176265this is a complement compliment?wait why are compliment and complement different words, it's called a compliment because it complements... fuck this language
>>586178946If you think that's bad wait till you hear about aluminum
>>586178946you ain't seen shitI got several of those
Aluminapodes
alumibenis XDDDD
>>586167909For me it is aliuminis.
>reproductive complex mk2 is x2 speed>but auog paddock 2 is only x1.5bleh
>>586096001amongus>>586084272I was for some dumb-ass reason playing on the public_beta branch which updated (and they've got quite an impressive update in the works) but this makes important mods crash. I need to... back-up... more... stuff... whelp. The Aquatic Planet pack's free-play mode, which is perhaps not intentional...
>>586179149language is beautiful
>>586189402Moon runes are cheating desu
>>586189402ToTnorwooding ugly bastard... Erotic!!!
>>586189526the good kind of cheating.
>>586189526Bong here never heard the second meaning. Could be regional
>>586189526>'chuffed' means 'not chuffed'I could not be any more dischuffed by this information.
>>586193112I believe the 2nd definition is just a translation from british to the rest of the world
>>586189526I like that in America, you give someone shitAnd in Britain, you take the piss
I think Kovarex was ball-less for not adding his "all achievements run achievement" and the secret achievements to the achievement list on steam.
>>586173004Honey badger made a video that basically said it's impossible to win at higher difficulties because of the economy. As for pollution and noise just turn them down or off all together. Why they added that shit in a tycoon game is beyond. If industries was actually part of the shit you could build, I would understand, but there's no reason for it.
>>586173004>>586196578Hopefully urban games fixes it. I'm really enjoying the game though and glad I tried it out.
>>586198776what did he mean by this?
>>586199741It seems like the area outside was polluted and perhaps as a result there's less wood which he needs for chemfuel but despite the impending shortage demand increases.
>>586200014just make chemfuel out of an animal reactornot like rimworld is balanced
>>586200238I prefer making chemfuel out of fecal sludge and canola flowers. Wood is saved for nice floors.
Null making a 2d stationeers/ss13 game wasn't on my bingo card for this year.
>>586175546cute ass base design.
>>586199741>problem got so /egg/ adjacent that I forgot where I wasHere's my only nuclear reactor I ever built in Factorio to make fun of instead
>>586202064It looks functional, and therefore it's perfect.What method did you use to control fuel input so it wasn't wasted? I see the tanks and the combinator but how do you only insert 1 at a time?
>>586202430That was so long ago and I lost my save but I think it was counting the total steam in the system and would only insert fuel below a certain steam thresholdWhen the reactor would restart, the steam would go above the threshold and prevent more fuel from being inserted.
>>586203074That would fill up the reactor with...whatever is the automatic insertion limit for fuel cells...before the steam managed to climb back up.
>>586203250Yeah I think that's how it workedThe fuel would be expended so slowly that it wouldn't actually consume more than it needed.I wish I could check but the save is gone forever.The only evidence I have of the control method is this image, taken before the full size reactor was built.
>>586202064One of 4 blocks of my last nuclear setup in angleboobs.
>>586208806>angleboobsHey you can't say that. Only I can say that. I'm gonna get you
>>586211109
>>586217635good ol' boob maths
>>586217635
OVERTAKE THE FUCKING CARRIAGE, THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM FOR FUCKS SAKE
degg
>>586202064too much steam storage
Should I do direct insertions? :3
>>586189402nobody uses that kanji
>>586194965Personally I'm rather nonplussed about it
>>586239538Isn't it one nursery for two tree farms?
>>586218817celestial titties
>>586244518I have no idea, the tooltip is fucked up and the calculators doesn't work. What the hell is a tree module
>>586248017>What the hell is a tree moduleA tree of course.
>>586248017The tooltip is correct. Make 10 trees in the nursery and stick them in.
>>586248017
so what are the station designs enabled by the new parallel inserter lane picking?Im thinking about this and if I put spitters down that's a wider station than the old trick with exit undergrounds
>>586241138The thing that matters is that it exists
>>586253560how are you not embarrassed to be using a mod that makes a 2x2 chest like that
>>586254865And steals 80% of its art from Angel's. It's Nullius btw. Can't argue with the gameplay, and that's what matters.
>>586254865pearls before swine
>>586256382jesusthis is why nullius needs all the reskins
oooh nice since when was the speed preview after upgrade a thing
>>5862592202.0 or 2.1, I forget.
>>586167909the correct name is alumite
>accidentally deconstructed a single lab>now all my labs will have some fraction of an unfinished science pack until the end of days
>>586261006what if you deconstruct all your labs and then rebuild them?
>>586264227ButBut then I lose all the resources I spent on the in progress packs
>>586261006Why not disconnect your labs from their inputs until they all run dry?
>>586264548But then any future labs will carry over the fractional science pack consumption
>>586265193take the packs from all labsremove 1 unitthe single one you remove is used everything else is fullreinputput pack in boxshoot box
playing a modded game and I never realized I could not use the upgrade planner to just swap whatever item with anything elsealso that big poles aren't an optionwhy
filling this bitch up gonna take a while
>>586271516what's the bottom right fourth quadrant supposed to be
>>586271516i wonder if anyone's ever used a 'tank' for fluid storageas in, the armoured vehicle and a lot of barrels
>>586272097that would be unimaginably stupid under any circumstance
>>586272664yeah but it'd be very funny
>>586271756the small tanks? storage for unexpanded gas
>>586254865I am Factorio's ugly bastard. The things i make her do.
>>586254865Base Factorio already gives you 3x3, 6x2, and 9x9 chests.What's the problem?
>>586280649I'm a big fan.
>>586280649>>586281946A very big fan.
cruel and unusual punishment
If those are boob innuendos, you should go play Gain Factory.
test
>Old ship designs explode in space nowShit
>>586289887>This isn't even enough to get to Vulcrectum without something at the front explodingYeesh. I have to reset my expectations. Or just delete engines
>solarlol
>>586295820solar ships can make it to aquillo. solar on the trip to vulcanus gets even better, it's perfectly fine>>586295697if you can squeeze in some way to throttle the fuel to the engines it would work better than just removing some. you probably can now and definitely can if you just make it a little longer. constantly feeding engines to 100% of their burn capacity is inefficient
>>586289887>>586295697Why are they exploding now? I only saw speed /drag changes in the update.
>>5862967962fast
>>586296796if ship go too fast to destroy the asteroids, ship explode. if the ship got a large speed increase from the update then it could easily explode
what sharted the sharted planet anyway
>>586296796Either the ship has been running on extremely tiny margin of asteroid processing/asteroid capture and the ship is going too slow now to produce enough ammo or the ship is running too fast now and cant produce enough ammo
>>586295820I downloaded the mod that changes space science to need satellite launches and even I think that bothering to send nuclear fuel to your first platform is excessive
>>586297028your mom
>>586297219Yeah, its better to send 10 rockets full of platform foundations to have enough space for solar panels than 1 rocket to have enough fuel for dozen of hours
>>586297219There's beacons running efficiency modules on that ship. At that point just use the damn reactor for more power and less space used. Plus you then have a ship that has fuel for other planets already on it.
I picked up Factorio earlier this week. I did the tutorial and enjoyed it. It took me a while particularly last mission with rail introduction. I would guess just on that last mission it probably took me 12-14 hours to get things sorted out. I'm pretty dumb so whatever but I liked it.Doing my first free play with no settings adjusted. I'm trying to see how far I can get before I need to watch any videos on how to do some things. Anyways here's where I'm at. About to get my military science feeding into the labs. Need to figure out rail signals so I can role a coal train with my iron train.
>>586303785very cute, keep it up
weird idea I had: factorio but slime mold. The blue cell is the engineer basically, and it places little building spores for miners and assemblers that attach to the ore patches. belts are mycelia/vascular system that push the items around and cells put things on/off as it goes. they also grow automatically if they overflow/die out if they run out of food, same as the buildings. The purple buildings are labs so the science assemblers count as research. The player blue cell is actually in the simulation too, so it does the equivalent of handcrafting before it automates the assembly of stuff, and does like chemotaxis/sensing to roughly plan out what it does.Still a lot of ideas to add, but I like how organic it looks while still being the basic coal/iron/copper/gears red science setup.
>>586306078how'd you make this?
>>586303785Avoid bidirectonal single lane trains when starting out. I've seen dozens of posts from new anons trying to figure out how to shove four trains on a single track and getting frustrated. Doing a set of parallel tracks is easier to wrap your head around imo. Other than that just give yourself plenty of space to build and don't be afraid of moving a bit off screen to build new stuff. As long as you get your belts from A->B it doesn't matter how tangled it looks.
>>586306265uh, with wgpu it's 100% slop . I started out with implementing https://developmentalsystems.org/Exploring-Flow-Lenia-Universes/ which is also pretty cool, but wanted something more factorioish scale where the CA rules don't have to invent like pure motion from scratch. Lagrangian instead of eulerian, essentially. The hyperparameters of the simulation like recipe ratios and crafting rates are also black-box optimized/evolved to be roughly factorio scale, which is sort of neat. I want to add in-simulation evolution too, so instead of the 'lab' building just magically turning science packs into new research, it could be a literal lab zone where you pump in resources to run breeding/recombination/mutation until it spits out new recipes 'organically'. Could also do PvP, or basically evolution/competition at the 'engineer cell' level, see who finds the most OP strats to grow.
>>586306060>>586306496thanks, anons!
This game looks so good
>>586308803nigger why do u need 4 tramlanes
>>586307112Oh, so you didn't make it then. End your life promptly and stop posting in this thread jeet
>>586314236/egg/ is ideasguy capital, /agdg/ is down.the hall and to the right
>>586314236>automated making an automation gameWe got a factory game luddite over here. Did you handcraft everything? Maybe minecraft general is more your speed.
>>586308803Future poof when I have more trams and traffic on the road.>couldn't you have just waited....yeah
Boom. Science (modded)
>>586223421vehicle overtaking is something too complex for transport games, sorry..>>586239538insert yourself
https://ryanmadden.net/gpt-56-beats-factorio/
>>586239538>>586248017so is this some sort of chicken or egg problem? How the hell am I suppose to find moss
>>586337412Or trees for that matter
>>586337412you can find moss rarely by breaking some rocks. IIRC trees you just make in the nursery which doesn't need modules
>>586303785hell yeah
>>586337412all the life forms have a more expensive recipe that let you bootstrap, plus a more normal and cheaper reproduction recipethe exception are trees, moss, and seaweed, since those are all gatherable (big rocks have a chance to give you moss)
>>586333841man I can't wait until these retards find another thing to obsess about
>>586344915and sap
