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>new classes>new classes>new classes>new classes>new classes
>>585531573old patch
Be nice to one another, anons.
we should all do bli
comparison is the thief of joy
>>585751886They are setting up the PoE1 expansion for failure by releasing it alongside GTA6, but it will likely outperform PoE2 anyway.And in the long term, there's no way the two games can co-exist. PoE1 and PoE2 will be merged into one, guaranteed.
don't drink da wata
>it will likely outperform PoE2 anyway
New...classes?
>>5857554483.30 will have less players than 1.0 its fucking obvious
haven't played since templeslop>reinstall the pewpew on some maps>everything is different>forgot how cool it was to watch a boss instantly explodeIs it worth it to make a new character and play the current league? The last thing I played was permafrost WH
Gorays won. D4 won. GGG lost. /poeg/ lost.
>>585755781just wait for 1.0
>>585755781You've already asked this question, and do whatever you want man. If you want to play the game, go ahead, the economy isn't too bad, and there have been a ton of changes since 0.4.
>>585756278>do whatever you wantI don't like having to make decisions because I'm dangerously retarded and always make the bad one. I'll just wait for 1.0 as that other anon suggessted.
why is jung such a libtard
>when the tub is still compiling shaders
Reminder that Gookroan was so unlikable and unfuckable that his own party didn't even want him helping them elect Democrats.>>585756567>not setting shader cache size to infinityPoor brown detected.
>>585756437shitty parents like the rest of them
>>585756041>D4 wonWon so much that they shut it down
the biggest struggle for 1.0 is coming up with a poe2 original league that wasnt in poe1 in the past 15 years
>>585755760On day 1, sure. On day 30? That remains to be seen.
>>585756437It's non-whites' default setting in White countries. They know it harms and disempowers the European population. Poo 2 Tub. This post is now on-topic.
>>585758212I don't understand this complaint at all.League mechanics in PoE 2 are so different from those in PoE 1 that they're literally two different thingsAnd PoE 1 hasn't had original League mechanics in like 10 years, it was all assets and features carried over from PoE 2.
>>585758212to be fair poe1 also has that problem
>>585758550Putting a twist on something doesn't fundamentally change the mechanic, Paco. Poo 2 needs its own identity.
>>585759117>Poo 2 needs its own identity.Poe 2 Identity is Poe 1 but better. One of the promises they made is that Poe 2 will feature updated versions of all the mechanics from Poe 1.One minute you're whining that Poe 2 is too different, and the next that it's too similar to Poe 1, because you don't have a real opinion and are just whining for the sake of it, since your PC can't even run Poe 2 or you can't play a game with real gameplay.
>>585758212My pitch: The Tub league.A mysterious Tub appear in every area. The character must shit in it to activate an encounter. The type of encounter and related rewards depend on the type of shit, based on the food consumed prior to taking it. The more food you eat, the more challenging but also rewarding the encounter.Food drops from monsters but you can also cook it from ingredients. All past league content drops its specific ingredients (ingredients also have quality that can be improved with league items, everything league-specific is stored in a Tub filled with ice in your hideout).Your town (now called Tubmarch) has a kitchen added, you can hire chefs. They start at 1 star but gain XP as they cook, going up to 5 stars, maybe more. Might be different types of chefs for different kinds of food, the sky is the limit.League uniques: flasks mostlyLeague boss: Tubatron, a fat Tub-shaped mechanical abomination. Signature attack: turns around and sprays you with shit.
>>585759487Your post is nothing, but projection. People like you professed your hatred for PoE for years and now you want to pretend that you love it and want PoE 2 to the same game.
https://x.com/Fubgun/status/2114881311420871136Huge PoE news.
>>585759726You don't have to hate Poe to think that Poe 1 is simply outdated. At its core, it's still the same game from 2013, just blown up to insane proportions that were never intended. It's actually funny how Poe 2 often runs better than Poe 1. Poe 2 is good because it's moving forward, rather than just exploiting a rotting corpse for the past 7 years.
>>585760108>wow i played a blizzard game and got disappointed>how does this keep happening
cringe
>>585760108I haven't seen a single happy person who's into WoW. They're always completely miserable people.
>>585760224>You don't have to hate Poe to think that Poe 1 is simply outdated>just exploiting a rotting corpse for the past 7 yearsNigga, take your bipolar meds.
>>585760571Can you point out exactly where I'm wrong instead of acting like a retard?
>new classesso basically we are getting 2 classes instead of 1. Duelist and ?My bet is Shadow, just due to the number of "incomplete" daggers and traps that have been found. You don't really see the same amount of flails or axes, which would rule out Templar and Marauder
>>585760743I don't want to engage in bad faith drivel with a moron. Considering the atlas tree was added in 2022, you're just ignorant.
>>585760873There are so many unfinished skills for daggers and traps because they can't make them work well enough. Stealth is another problem they can't fixMy bet is on axes because they're very simple at their core and there was Marauder spotted on the merch
>>585760743Playing PoE2 feels like playing a worse version of PoE1 from 10 years ago. It's like the retards developing PoE2 never played PoE1 but were told to reconstruct it based on some old half-assed design documents. It's a fucking embarrassment.
poo2?big stinky.
>>585761487Poe 1 was never as good as you remember it, you were just young.
>>585761564That's my exact point you fucking retard.PoE1 has improved since release MASSIVELY (with some issues along the way).PoE2 is somehow 10 years behind the current version of PoE1 (and that's being generous) in terms of literally everything that matters.
>>585761564I was in my late twenties when I started playing. I played Diablo 2 at its peak, too. Why don't you admit you just hate PoE instead of coming up with these weird copes? Peak PoE with self-curse BV and explodey chests and non-raped league mobs was kino and they've done everything in their power to kill the game to make PoE 2 more appealing and yet it's still not as fun even with the ridiculous drops.
>>585761228redditors are really gonna shit their panties if we get warrior 2.0 instead of templar as the surprise class
>>585761487It's because they hate PoE and wanted to make something completely different and then had to come crawling back. This guy is probably a GGG dev trying to get his izzat back, but doesn't realize what a self-own shitting all over PoE is while saying PoE 2 is just a better PoE. Peak goyim behavior.
>>585761887There are limits to what you can improve in 2013 game.The updates to the graphics, gameplay, and engine which were originally planned as PoE 2 and later evolved into a standalone game make perfect sense. Even if we assume that PoE 2 is a step behind PoE 1 (which I absolutely disagree with), it still starts off in a much better position with far greater potential for improvement. The past 10 years of updates and improvements to Poe 1 have literally been groundwork and preparation for Poe 2
>The past 10 years of updates and improvements to Poe 1 have literally been groundwork and preparation for Poe 2I like how you say this disingenuous shit when you literally admit that it was planned for PoE 4.0. What's even the point of having a conversation with someone like this? You can feel the slime oozing off of you.
>>585762567Steamcharts figures will decisively disprove your delusions in approximately 6 months. Enjoy them while you can, I guess.
>>585762879>PoE 4.0Also known as Poe 2 or “Two campaign, one game”It was also supposed to have a new system for gems, runes, and a lot of the other stuff you hate so much about Poe 2. Poe 2 was inevitable>>585763101>Steam charts consistently show that Poe 2 is two to three times more popular than Poe 1.>He thinks things will take a turn for the worse once the game goes F2P.Your delusions amuse me. I'll enjoy your tears when1.0 is released and the game hits 1+ million players
>>585762567poe2 improves on nothing from poe1
>>585763450The new gem system was one of the things PoE players were most excited for. Instead we got nothing and they just made a game out of spite for their audience that almost died within six months of release. I like how Jonathan said they couldn't add movement speed to the game because he'd have to rebalance mobs completely and then added things like mageblood, onslaught mods and rite of passage KWAB
>>585763450lost ark had 1,324,761 players on release, it's a vanity metricthe question is: will poo2 stand the test of time? and the answer is: no
Gorays wo-ACK!PoEchads keep winning. Blizzfags seething.
>>585758212This is the biggest problem of the development team: they're afraid of taking risks. That's why the game hasn't grown in years. It would be much better to have risky but unique league mechanics. Some of them would fail miserably, but the successful ones would bring in many new players. The game would inevitably grow over time.For example:>pvp focused league where you can invade other players' maps, have to duel players for loot, or something else. Maybe LoL style battle arenas even - it would be popular as the next league since LoL is having the world championship tournament right now>league where you can only use third person view (very easy to implement, someone already did this in the last thread)>league that replaces all the weapons with modern weapons like guns and grenades, and changes the skills to gun and grenade skills. make the items look like soldier uniforms>gacha league where you have to roll the characters/weapons/skills you can use>scary halloween league where opening a map randomly teleports you into an eerie graveyard map with a twist: your abilities are used automatically and the gameplay is like a vampire survivors gameAnd these are just some ideas I came up with on the spot... imagine what the whole development team could come up with during a brainstorming session.
>>585763903GGG are in a weird spot where they attracted a bunch of people who hate PoE and were sold a lie by Jonathan and then a bunch of PoE diehards who hate all the lies sold by Jonathan. I'm curious to see how things play out.
>>585764109>the gameplay is like a vampire survivors gamePoE 2 is already Vampire Survivors though. You hold W and everything around you blows up.
>>585763660>Chase and crutch items are strongHe literally talked about this and giving players freedom with high-cost builds is part of their philosophy, since most people don't get these items>>585763903>the question is: will poo2 stand the test of time? and the answer is: no0.5 was nearly twice as popular as the most popular Poe 1 league. It had the second-best player retention rate, only behind Affliction. All of this while being B2PAll that while the last few Poe 1 leagues have been some of the worst in history (because people don't want to play them after Poe 2)
GGG unironically killed PoE 1 by attracting normalfaggot streamer addicted puppets to their ecosystem which poisoned PoE 1 and caused PoE 2 to be dead on arrival.PoE 1 was a game of joy and whimsy and the normalfags have made PoE 1/2 a game of who can RMT buy the most currency to show off their characters on 18+ trannycords.
Only 200 players more than one of the biggest embarrassments of the decade
>>585764530It took the entire playerbase complaining and the game hitting negative reviews for these things to exist. The game launched with a 20 sec Headhunter. Sprint is still a hated mechanic, too, since it was Jonathan and Mark being passive aggressive towards the community complaining about lack of MS.
>>585764768Seething LMAO>>585764727I think Mark might be the problem. He turned the game from cool builds and people like Mathil being the biggest streamer to div per hour faggots like Sushi and Fub being the community's idols.
>he is a jingakh
All this crying from the Poe 1 fags is funny because they're talking about how Poe 2 was a flop, when in reality they're in the minority and Poe 2 is more popular than ever, with a bright future ahead. Nobody gives a damn what the Poe 1 veterans think because there are only three of the, and they don't play video games anymore since they're too busy spending time with their grandkids.
>>585761887You now remember that Currency Exchange was brought to PoE 2 first just like pauses, no exp loss on pinnacles, no specific map tile aka waystone system, tiered gear aka memory strandsReally makes one think
>>585765262No, we're talking about how they had to cave and make it PoE again for the game to be successful instead of whatever the fuck 0.2 was which actually was a flop. You don't get to ignore what's happened. PoE players are not the minority. Pretending they are is how you get another 0.2
>exilecon followed by 3.30 followed by 1.0poe chads are eating GOOD
>>585765530 eating SHIT IN TUB FULL OF SHIT YSDFGOLUJZSDRTHUKTawe4bhthyiozphjtzrjmxrftgykdtuk kys
>>585765530And then No Rest in March. It's a good time to be an ARPG enjoyer instead of some faggot basing his identity around one game.
>poe2con followed by yet another sabotage followed by downwards trend emoji poe cucks are eating BAD
We don't use s word here
She's really upset.
All my games are successful>PoE>PoE2>Diablo Immortal>Genshin Impact>Warframe>World of Warcraft
>>585766140Feel very sorry for you
>>585766140>Diablo ImmortalZased
>>585765445currency exchange/auction house were originally developed for the console version of PoE1, the rest is all meaningless shit
>>585765445Tiered gear is poo. Memory Strands are better. PoE tried to implement smart loot with better rolled mods years ago and gave up on the system like lazy niGGGers.
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/4011910>play poo2>fall asleep>tubathan randomly rage-mutes youMany such cases.
>>585768097>play poe2>say the n-word>fall asleep>ggg mutes youWe all know this is what happened
>>585768319you have to go back
>>585765004fuck off, BFR
>>585768319>my cat walked across the "nigger" key on my keyboard while i was sleeping, ggg pls unmute
I'll fully admit it is total slop, but I enjoy "zero to hero" or "randomized build" videos that I can enjoy while in bed. Do you guys have any creators you recommend? I tried some new guy and he was some weirdo with a totally unidentifiable accent who sounded like he was on horse tranquillizers and I turned it off after like 3 minutes.
>>585772031pathofmatth
>>585772646I'm not looking for McDonald's career advice and day trader tips
>>585772031Exiledcat and Schwingy (kind of annoying)
>>585772031>creatorslol imagine unironically using that word you fucking faggot retard
>>585772870
>>585772031Yuck
>>585772905You should kill yourself NOW
If I had editing skills I'd make a video talking about EVERYTHING that has to get fixed in 1.0 but I am too retarded. It would save the game though, because GGG would listen to me because I am really smart and also handsome and very skilled.
>>585772710tsk. you are a fool
>>585773305good news, the video has already been madehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNGNj_-LmIw
>>585773509This video was way too nice. We need /ourguy/ Conner to make the real one.
>>585768097>poo2 is so shit it puts people to sleepkek
>>585773509That video isn't remotely thorough enough. I want to talk about each class' campaign runs, I want to go over each skill, I want to do a detailed analysis of the tree, I wanna go over every ascendancy, shit like that. Most of these videos are all the same:>Guys monk start is hard>Tablets are annoying>City bad>More Juice
We better get actual CG cutscenes between acts now
>>585773712epic lulz
Listening to Chris' latest talk and he says half of PoE's playerbase is on standalone and that you should double the steam playercount for the actual playercount.
>>585768097>say the nigger word or the faggot word>get muted>pretend you got muted for falling asleepwhoever wrote that post is unironically a massively retarded nigger faggot
>>585774690there is no chance there are more than 5% on standalone. At least for human players. If that 50% number is meant to be accurate then the vast majority of them are bot clients running standalone
>listening to some retard who hasn't worked at ggg in half a decade about ggg internal metricsishygddt
>>585778274Grow up lil chiga
>>585778127>>585778274Cope.
anyone done with the poe1 league and willing to give me a mageblood
>>585756984Its not getting shut down, it's getting a sequel
POOP
>>585759487Its different in the wrong places, and similar in the wrong places.
>>585763101Steamcharts already did disprove any form of cope these faggots have, yet they keep spamming "NOOOO IT WILL BE GOOD TRUST THE PLAN LET THEM COOK" like they were being paid to do so.
>>585763450Poo2, in 2019, was a new campain (ignoreable), new ascendancies (good) and a new gem system (looked problematic to me, even back then but serviceable). Sockets were still linked to gear, so runes/socketables were not planned.the extra shit we got is (and none of these is good):rollslopcombo combatfucked up support gemsdogshit endgameremoved a great system in the crafting bench just so they can reinven thhe wheelzero directionflask removaltubbed crafting and crafting currency bloatthe only thing poe2 does better than 1 is ground loot, but it does that better precisely because they fucked up their initial vision.
>>585778127That 50% number is correct, for poe1.for poop2, your 5% number is more correct.
>>585783913Ground loot has been actively sabotaged in PoE ever since they removed the league mob quant bonus. On top of that, they put devs on the game who think every good strat must be brutally murdered while PoE 2 gets mid league buffs to farms.
poo2 is doing badly because ggg is too retarded to actually fix any problems that come up properly (example: zones are too large and empty, solution would be: make them smaller) but with weirdass bandaids (sprinting, waypoints), just so they don't have to change the initial problem because that initial problem is actually a point of pride to them
>>585784057I agree partially, but it's more the amount of things that can be good in 2 that they got right. Every mechanic has a big drop associated with it in 2 and is worth farming, they never got that right in 1.The 1 devs are retarded for butchering every farm and under the sun.
I swear Act 3 is half of the campaign in 2.
>>585783712>7844is it really this over?
>>5857842864 is equally as long, if not longer and feels just as dogshitIt's the classic ggg problem, the longer they cook something the more retartded it becomes, just imagine the amount of dogshit they are gonna put in acts 5 and 6.
>>585783712
>>585784484SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP
>>585784484My bad, the trend is actually slightly less steep and every league except for 0.5 just underperformed massively.Retard
>>585785079hate to break this to ya sis but there's no trend
>>585785130for sure anon, the lower and lower peaks the game is getting is just uh random, right?
>>585785079
>trend points down>nothing to see here we're actually doing great guys there is no trend>people LOVE our game! if you ignore the trend and just pretend it doesn't exist everything will be fine
people don't seem to love lost ark thoughbeit
you're right guys this makes way more sense, 4 out of 6 peaks just underperformed! silly of me, my bad.the red arrow is still pointing down btw, that's not good>>585785451weird, back when it was "popular" people were shilling it left right and center in this thread, reddit, ingame chat and anywhere else. almost to the same level of poop the second.
do you seriously think the free to play release will have less players than 0.5like whats the logic here
Poo 1 bros...
>>585785582less than 0.1, about on-level with 0.5, maybe slightly more.free weekends did nothing to raise the numbers, it will be a bloodbath.
>>585785606Delet tihs
>>585785530Still more popular than Poe 1 ever was lol
>>585772870based pooeg poster
>>585785582Maybe it does, but a poorfag who waited for the game to be free isn't even bound to a sunken fallacy cost and will drop the game the second he finds it unfun(which will be about 2 minutes into the game if he picks the wrong skill).
>>585772031magefist makes good ones
>>585785758
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_AEHdZi52g
>>585785743>stable trend pointing upversus>a game that only points downwhat are we even talking about here
>>585785967is this the kind of video turds poo2 cultivates? grim.
I regret to inform everyone that unfortunately poop2 big stinky poopoodoodoo.I know I know..Big tub, some say it's the biggliest tub they've ever seen.
>noooo the game i wasted 7 years waiting for HAS to be good, it can't be a failure! I WAITED SEVEN YEARS FOR THIS DON'T DO THIS TO ME TUBMAN!
>>585786015>muh trendThe last time the league lasted more than a month was with the Mercenaries
>>585786254>Pretending GGG is not starving poe1 to push the second turd out the ass (it's not going great btw)
>>585786363>Muh sabotageLiterally everything Poe 1 has received over the past 10 years has been bits and pieces of Poe 2 content. Mercenaries was essentially a beta test for a single skill for Poe 2.
>if I repeat this lie again, it'll be true
faggots actually pretend for 30 fucking years that opening and closing the game to re run 1 part of a fucking act is some resemblance of a fucking endgame
>>585786424It's not sabotage, it's incompetence. This doesn't make it any better.
>>585786485As opposed to running a map in 90 seconds, portaling out and doing it again? Also, D2R add Worldstone Shards that heavily incentivize you to fully clear an entire act.
>>585786558sure thing buddy nice cope
>>585786558You're brown
>>585786619Now that's a brown man's insult, good job buddy.
>>585786619Diablo 2 was played by White nerds. I had a separate friend group of dorks just for D2 growing up.
>>585786770Blizzard makes games for brown people
No brown person had a pc back then. It was strictly an upper-middle class hobby. Stop being a retard, retard.
>chud propagandaopinion discarded
>>585786993now that's a good group pic of ggg
>>585786993>poe1 devs vs poe2 devschecks out
>>585786245We're progressing quite nicely to the 2M mark though.
>chud trvth nvkeopinion regarded
ITT: fiverr jeets spamming charts like "haha owned u poowunner +10 izzat for me :^)
>>585787791anon, launch is in a little bit over 1 month and we haven't even moved by 10% in the last month. it's not gonna get to 2
>>585788253the fuck's a "poowunner" even? is wun/wunner an insult in india? is it their retort to poo2rist?
>>585788350Apparently it's an "insult" in the Pokemon community towards people who think gen one Pokemon was the peak.
where poe2 survivors AI slop at though?
>CLASSESit's fucking happening
>>585788629retard
>No.585788350holy newfag
Even reddit is more level headed than the /poeg/ hypetroons.
>>585788871retards
>>585788980yeah, hypetroons sure are retards
>find sirgog post on the reddit thread>click name>it's 90% AI postscheeseman sucks now
I wonder if jonatroon will ever manage to get his head out of his ass and change the first skills some classes get on the beach.They really need to change the level requirements on some skills and just in general shrink all the level requirements on all skills. the highest should be 31. Once you get to act 3 camp all skills should be available to play.I'm not sure why jonatroon insists on making skills require level 52 and 58 (lol). Can you imagine some new fag watching the short fake news videos of the skills in his skill book and thinking to himself wow this is so cool and then for 4 days struggling his way to level 52 only to find out eye of winter isn't frozen orb and deleting the game outright. I think jonatroon and his mentally ill jeets live in a different reality where they view warrior's always moving attacks to be the best thing to happen to melee since sliced bread. It's unfortunate poe2 never had a chance.
>>585788871they've been deliberately holding back content since 0.3
>>585790094yeah, because it wasn't ready, not because they've been "holding it back for a big bang"the quality of the content they did release shows the quality of the content they didn't release.
>it's 4D chess>trust the plan
pootoo eos
>>585774017Jonno said there were 2 more planned CGI cutscenes from the dota guys who did the opening one.Prob an Act 6 setup then either an endgame setup or maybe one for defeating the final edict in the endgame.I like the first one, so I'm expecting some kino.
>>585789525Is sirgawd going to NZ? I wanna rape him.
ACKtually the game is SUPPOSED to be bad, you just don't understand the tubbed mind of the jonatroonarious
>>585792974ok, but will they make the game better, or will they just make the fat fuck's ego swell?
>>585793162What?
>>585793201More CGI cutscenes, will they make the game any better, or are they just doing it to make the fat fuck's ego swell up even more?
>>585793242What are you even on about?
We're now pretending cutscenes make the game better instead of just being an annoyance.
>>585793495No we're not
>>585793495This is some peak schizo content lmao.
Very feminine energy
>>585763660The way they made support gems and the heavy handed railroading of skill design is still baffling to me. There's no longevity or sandbox elements in their design at all
>>585793507Well you kind of are. the game needs a huge amount of polish to be even close to playable, not some worthless CGI people will watch once and then never again. Same with the campaign, the campaign doesn't need to be longer or contain more forced yapping and RP walks, the campaign needs to be fun. They are making a one-shot game and are selling it as a seasonal game.
>>585763660whenerver i saw the new gem system in 2019 i liked it for 5 minutes, but then went through the implications in my head and hated it instantly. the implication was always "if we give the players however many 6-links we expect them to use their 6-links" and that never sounded fun to me.
>>585794517>the game needs a huge amount of polish to be even close to playablelol
they've been polishing the turd for 2 years, it'll never start sparkling
>>585794884poo2 eos is getting announced in 2 weeks.
Just say bump next time
>>585795143as much as i wish for it they'd rather run both games into the ground and close down than admit defeat.
>reddit jannies scrubbed comments shitting on DarthMicroPenisLMAO
Need Hilda wife
>>585774690it's actually 33% standalone 65% steam2% consoleacross both games, based on what jon has said in multiple interviews and considering the official post during settlers
>>585763903Sad but true. Bootlicker troon will gloat at the 1m player count, which is just goalpoast moving. I agree the game will hit 1 mil on launch due to infinity jeets and russian bots looking to make a quick buck. The point is poo2 is on a downwards trend and in a year or so it will fade to obscurity.And all it took to get there was to sacrifice the greatest ARPG of all time. Brenton should have minecrafted GGG top brass instead of adherents to the religion of peace
>>585793495trandur's gayt 3 is almost unplayable because of gay cutscenes and constant "cinematic" camera angles panning to weird facial expressions. I wish redditors would stop making games
poop 2 is a trainwreck and it's gonna take all you indians with it
>>585796458this
OCTROONVIAN!
>>585800554that shitter couldn't make a game to save his life
>>585800554>>585800596Chris fumbled bigly. Shartke Cat was the brains of their operation.
>>585801291Who?
>>585801871Chris erased him from canon. It's not a story a newfag would know.
They need to jack up mana costs across both games by at least 300xYou should be hitting your mana pot constantly
>>585802072so, 0.1/0.2 mana? that doesn't sound fun?
>>585801930i mean i know who tarke is/was but he was always a retarded nobody, why would he get to work on any game? to be fair, octavian is too and he got a golden ticket (to shit up the thing we loved)
>>585803594Octavian designed a new endgame system, a couple of transfigured gems (probably all of the newer ones), and Mirage league. Was he a net negative to the game?
>>585803709he designed saaresh, and it was a joke. so yes, he is a shitter.
>sabotage poo1 in order to supplant it>end up sabotaging poo2 as a consequencepoetic
>>585803749What did you dislike abour Saresh?
>>585803904I couldn't even tell you what he does, that's what i dislike. They could have just made a bo that gives you his loot, that's how undertuned he was. And that faggot wasted time making the fight.
>>585804307So you don't even know, huh? Got it
>>585804387You clearly didn't read what I wrote, he was the weakest boss they have released in years, and when he proudly said he designed and tuned it, it shows how much worthless time he wastes.
>>585804485From my understanding you're clearly trying to cherry pick something and capitalize on it since Mirage was such a well received league
>>585804570
You can clearly hear the echo inside his empty head anytime he starts talking on stream. Why are we defending octroonvian again?
Why did they hire a streamer with no education and make him a lead designer of PoE 1?
>>585804832chris hiring him on his way out the door was him leaving the final dookie in the tub
>>585804832calling this a "streamer" is pathetic
>>585805089Streaming used to be different pre-Covid, lil gup
>>585805257but he shrunk during covid and i guess saw the writing on the wall
>>585751886Context of this OP ?>t. POE tourist who only played 10 hours of POE2 on release
>>585805089>losing followerskek>>585805370because the head dev shits in a tub as his method of development.do you plan to return, why did you quit and what do you think about poo2?
>>585805356He got hired by GGG and didn't need to stream anymore
>>585805370Poe 1 fans are really upset that Poe 2 is so successful, so they're throwing a tantrum.
>>585805480he got hired in 2020 after exilecon and still tried to make it as a streamer.obviously didn't work out. he is a shitter that should not be working on the game.https://www.twitch.tv/octavian0/clip/PeacefulCheerfulBatSeemsGood
>>585805721He is a pseudointellectual like Jonathan and they probably get high sniffing their own parts over retarded ideas they want to implement. You can see why poe2 is a massive turd pile now
>>585805475>>585805618Lol that's crazy>will you return to POE2Very likely. I heard you can transform into a wolf or something, very cool>what do you think of POE2It was alright, a bit primitive and lacking ib content. But I am aware that's not true anymore.
45 days until 1.0.
>>585805885it's sad, but you saw the state of the game after they had been huffing their own farts in a locked room for 5 or 6 years when it finally released and it was grim
People realized Lost Ark is Korean slop with an unusable UI.Games with bad UIs usually die slow, silent deaths and you have CIA level investigations conducted to figure out why.We can't figure out why no one like Starcraft 2 or Reforged, could it be because of the dog shit art style, sound and UI??????NEW WORLD IS DEAD?! OH NO!!
>>585806398Are you incinuating the poo2 UI or art style are good? Everything looks way too overdesigned, like you bought your gear in the exilemall at dominucci
>>585805257>Streaming used to be different pre-CovidHow?
>>585806517PoE1 UI makes me recoil a bit. It was good in 2015 when the game was simple, now it's like ummmm... where do I stick this fragment? up my ass?And that PoE 2 atlas map is hot garbage straight from the land fill.
>>585806542nta, but streaming was smaller pre-covidoctavian's numbers are still laughably small and he should be considered a hobbyist rather than a "streamer"
>>585806398>why no one like Starcraft 2You think it's because of the UI? one of your worst takes, and that's a very high bar.
>>585804570Mirage's retention was the same as necropolis. Only a small handful of tinksloppers enjoyed it, everyone else quit because the game still lacked content and the league mechanic was clunky no matter how much grounz lootz there was
>>585806398I liked the story and the hyper farm in Lost Ark. I didn't like the over complicated upgrading system.
>>585807401I'm not saying anything about retention. I am saying it was a well received league despite all the problems it or the game in general had
>>585807401If tinks are slop, then why are you shilling the game that has more tinks, more loot and more blasting?
>>585807608>well receivedBy whom? Ecelebs who ran off to play other games as soon as the well ran dry? Learn to have your own opinion.
>you can't have the same opinion as any streamer in existencetalk about your own opinion, i liked mirage and i don't give a fuck about streamersit made ultimatum feel worth doing, ritual gave me a raw mirror and a couple sharts, it was a fun league
>if you play a loot driven ARPG for good loot you're retarded
>>585806398>We can't figure out why no one like Starcraft 2, could it be because of the dog shit art style, sound and UI??????Ah, you never played the game and know nothing about it.Fair enough, but why voice your opinion then? Isn't it prudent to stay silent?
>needs 3M more signups for the milestoneit's never gonna happen. Do they really think 3 million people will just spawn out of nowhere after exilecon. Where are they coming from? THEY"RE NOT MARKETING THE FUCKING EVENT.No teasing, no content creators, no news articles, no trailers.Fucking tease something you weird kiwi cunts.Tease a new sword skill, another unique, an ascendancy node, the new league mechanicFUCKINGANYTHING
Too much loot is bad thing. Poe is literally one of the few loot-based games where you actually have to think about what to pick up, rather than just getting completely flooded with unique or legendary items. Picking up a white or blue item is literally unthinkable in other games, in most of them they don't even drop at high levels. Poe fags have it really good and don't realize how lucky they are.
>>585808540>Pressing alt orb 5000 times on a blue item I didn't even know how lucky I am. I will be forever grateful for this, I swear on it!
>>5857888711. Duelist + Swords + Ascendancies2. Acts 5 & 63. Passive Tree update4. Big Balance pass5. Uber Bosses (different from previous difficulty 4 versions)6. New League7. A few new skills for older weapons (Not every weapon type, probably like a new mace skill, some new chaos spell, etc)8. Probably at least one new Ascendancy for Druid or Ranger9. PoE1 stuffThat is what I am expecting. Not much hopium, that is mostly stuff they've already talked about. The only thing I am really adding on is one new Ascendancy for Druid or Ranger and a few new random skills. They said they wanted to do an update to the passive tree. We know a big balance patch is coming. We know there is a new league mechanic. We know about Duelist, act 5 & 6, and it is obvious they're gonna add the Uber bosses the patch after the bosses come out like they've always done since PoE1.
>>585807608Then Allflame was similarly well-received
>>585808528No.
you think you could get the word "classes" past us huh GGG? you failed
>>585809521"We didn't know that mentioning classes would make people assume we were announcing more than Duelist. Oopsie!"
They've already posted merch with the Marauder, there's no need for all this cope
>>585810115>a class from poe 1I wonder what could that mean...
>In Path of Exile 2: The Dawn of the Corn Syrup you will be able to play as any one of the 3 new character classes>Play as the new duelist class, and it's multiple ascendancy classes: burgerfighter and weapongoyZoooooomgs hoooold me, I'm POGGING OUT!!!
>>585808528They're underselling because they're underdelivering. Can't get your hopes up if there never were any.
>>585810275It uses a design from Poe 2 that we haven't even seen
>>585759592that's Metamorph
>>585809995nice try ggg
>They were referring to the ascendancy classes>They also just casually dropped the new Marauder design on the merchandise>Exilecon won't have any surprises, and they're just planning a regular update.
>>585793242Yeah it will make the game better because the presentation will be better.>NO THE GAME WOULD BE BETTER IF THEY REMOVED ALL DIALOGUE AND HAVING TO TALK TO ANY NPC FOR QUESTS SO I CAN SAVE 2 MINUTES ON MY SPEEDRUN CLEAR TIME YOU SHOULD JUST BE PUT STRAIGHT INTO MAPS AND EVERY MONSTER SHOULD BE REPLACED BY A SOLID COLORED SQUARE SO IT IS EASY TO IDENTIFY THEMCutscenes are part of the formula of story telling and presentation that helps new players stick.
>>585811509CorrectCorrectCorrect
>>585812106Nobody said that
>>585812264you did
>>585812264You definitely implied that improving the presentation of the game via cutscenes was meaningless and only served to feed Jonathan's ego even though you're forgetting that this 1.0 release is not about getting us to play more, it is about getting John Normalfag to get into the game and spend some money on MTX.
>>585808528Do you really think they're even tracking it? The numbers are made up and arbitrary lol. They're just gonna pump the numbers up closer to release after they put up the 1.0 trailer.>omg guys after we put out the trailer we got millions more people to sign up!!!
>>585812434the mtx is precsiely what makes the presentation not matter>put effort into theme of a hub town>player enters it>garbling poop noises as one player has poop all around them>two goblin bands constantly repeating their five second loop>players exploding into a corona of overblown effectsthey sabotage their own atmosphere, so why bother at all
>>585812610The goal is to make the campaign feel like an actual video game and not something the community begrudgingly does on the road to endgame. Cutscenes and story are part of that. Yes, you can say that the dumb wings people will see in town might hurt the atmosphere a bit, but in reality they just want people to feel like they're playing a "real game" and not the tutorial on the way to the real game.This is anecdotal, but I gave an extra key I had to a friend and when he played and beat the campaign he definitely talked to me about it like it was a single player or cooperative RPG and not an ARPG live service loot pinata skinner box like the rest of us do.
>>585812434You are giving MTX ports too much attention, the presentation would barely cover this
>>585809995To be fair, their marketing did fucking do this in 0.5 when for no good reason they start posting swords.
>>585807175no i listed way more things than UI but ur just dumb, i dunno.>>585807447Yeah i enjoyed it for like a week.>>585808351The problem here is you just start out with a massive false assumption with zero explanation. Prolly kill yourself, the unit voices, portraits and art style was a downgrade.I didn't expect so many nonsense replies from something so off topic.
SIR PLEASE DO THE TUBFUL
when ggg made the newsletter signup, do you think they planned for schizos to spend the next three months being raped by it?i've never heard of people getting raped this brutally by a newsletter
>please do the signful saar
Me when 1.0
>>585810523>>585810275poo2 will have both the new classes and the old poe1 classes, minus scioncharacters on the same wheel position are the same person (and thus model), just with different upbringing, and thus different hair/tattos and whatnot - see witch and sorceress or huntress/ranger
>>585812106the game would be better if they invested time and money not in presenting the turd prettier, because in the end it's still a turd, even if it's on a silver platter.
>>585806398>>585807447>>585816478Lost Ark was legitimately fun, and then you realize that the game is about logging in on a Tuesday at 4PM to go kill a mole for 1% chance at some island heart where you gotta get like 20 of them for one talent point and then doing raids and trying to upgrade your gear and it fails and then your literally 5 points off the next tier so you can't do shit for a week unless you go to the market and pay2win more materials and it all falls apart. I really liked the combat and thought the raids that I did get to do were pretty decent, but at some point the shitty korean stuff is just too much.
>>585818656Do you even understand how video game development works? You think GGG has a bank account where they go:>Here is 1M for classes>Here is 1M for weapons>Here is 1M for ArtEtc?No. They just have employees that are simultaneously working on everything and 95% of the budget of the game is just paying employees. The CGI is farmed out to another studio and I guarantee you Tencent themselves wants CGI too because they current crop of cutscenes in the game are not very marketable. Any Cutscene they make for the game doubles as a trailer that they can show to the masses to trick them into buying stash tabs.
>>585818690gasp, a pay to win game was... pay to win? shocker
>>585818874Yeah but the problem is that it really wasn't marketed that way in the west. I went in blind and did not really know about it, and pretty much like any Asian MMO, it starts out very free to play friendly. It is only in the late game, after you've invested a lot of time, that the p2w is turned up to the max as a way to try to get you to feel like you need to pay to justify your time spent, but I just ended up quitting.Also the botting was fucking crazy. Even as a new player I could see literal lines of bots just running through early quest zones.
>finally decide to make a Huntresshow am I supposed to focus on the gameplay when she says things like this?
>>585818864It's very simple: game development costs time and money. Their game has a lot of problems in gameplay and endgame, as well as the promise of porting all mtx over from PoE1. They have yet to deliver on that.Yet they spend time and money on making shit look pretty, making pretty but useless videos, bloating a 150gb game even more. Nobody will look at those videos more than once. I agree with you that having these videos is nice, but it is the absolutely lowest priority.
>>585818529Marauder and Warrior are completely different characters, as are Witch and Sorceress.It's not as obvious with the Warrior and the Marauder because they're from the same culture, but the Duelist/Mercenary, Ranger/Huntress, the Sorceress/Witch, and all the others are literally from different cultures and places of birth. Druid is actually one of the ancient druids and helped the King in the Mist when he was just beginning to gain influence.
>>585819190>Yeah but the problem is that it really wasn't marketed that way in the west.No game is going to tell you it's pay to win. It being a Korean MMO should tell you everything about it.
>>585819341They have been confirmed to be the same person by the tubman himself.
>>585819324>why don't they just take money from the videos and spend it on the endgame instead
>>585819324Again, you do not understand video game development.GGG could be given $5B today and it would have literally 0 measurable impact on the company for months if not over a year. They only have so many employees who can work so long. They are not in any danger of running out of money. Them telling a completely different CGI-creation studio to make cutscenes for their game does not take an inordinate amount of time. Yes, they will need some artist there to send over some art that they have and maybe create a few illustrations for them. Yes, Jonathan and some art director will have to check their email every few weeks for updates on the trailer and then discuss it and send back their thoughts. That is very little amount of time compared to the daily meetings and work that are going on. They're not making the CGI in house. They're not taking up work stations to render the trailer. A totally different studio is handling it.GGG is not making the decision between balancing the game, fixing endgame, and making more classes OOOORRRR making a CGI trailer. They are all going on simultaneously. The worst part is that my post has to come across as GGG dicksucking because I am explaining how game dev works. I agree PoE2 has tons of problem. Fuck, PoE1 has tons of problems. None of that is related to them farming out a CGI trailer to some trailer making company for marketing purposes.
>>585819717Spend it on classes, spend it on acts, spend it on streamlining acts, spend it on porting mtx over you name it. The videos are super pointless, they have never used or shown any of the videos they already made.
>>585819829>why don't they just take money from the videos and spend it on game design instead
>>585819771>GGG could be given $5B today and it would have literally 0 measurable impact on the company for months if not over a yearthat is mostly because the lead dev shits into tubs and is clueless as to how to make a game.They put someone from the graphics/animation department on a task of making a nice trailer to sell you packs instead of using those people to port over mtx, like promised.
man i didnt give a single fuck about the new poe league but today 2 weeks before release im starting to fucking pogi hope they made something cool with the endgame and kept tubatroon as far away from it as possible
>>585819985I am still not sure if I am gonna play or skip. I don't wanna get burned out when we have a month till 1.0 that I am more hyped for. However, if it really is an endgame rework with big changes I'll probably end up playing. I am just afraid of it being disappointing again.
>>585819510When was this post made? It could easily have been changed because it doesn't make any sense given the current dialogues.All of the original classes, except for the Ranger, have undergone significant design changes since the artbook was released. Old witch and gladiator really looked like a sorceress and mercenary, but the new ones don't look anything like them at all. And the new Marauder artwork on the merchandise doesn't look anything like one of the art book either.
>>585820053decide at exilecon, but don't get your hopes up too high for 1.0. They flopped out hard for 2 years straight, they are not gonna turn this game good anytime soon, and definitely not in one patch.
>>585819961Actually that is every studio because hiring people, training, them, and incorporating them into workflow takes a lot of time especially in a play like New Zealand.If you want to complain about them making new MTX packs and shilling those instead of porting old MTX that is a totally fair criticism. However, once again that has nothing to do with GGG contracting out a trailer to an entirely separate studio that is not in their office and does not use their workstations or employees besides occasional progress reports and approval. I also want my old MTX in the game, and I think they really should have gotten old league MTX in the game much sooner given those go to your most hardcore and long-term players, but this is not about that. It is about making a CGI trailer they can play at Exilecon, put on youtube, show at The Game Awards, etc. Gotta market your game, dude, and double dipping with some kind of CGI cutscene in the game that is also a trailer makes sense to me.
>>585820210It is the same physical person, not the same mental person. That's what "different upbringing" means. Just compare the in-game models of witch and sorc, or huntress and ranger - they have the same model, except for different hair, and maybe tattoos or other markings on them.
>>585820053im in a good mood so i wont tear you asshole apart for posting ranjeet opinions so lets just face the facts - we both know you will play poe1
>>585819510>It is not known how much of this still applies to the current designsThat is the answer, it doesn't. Witch is obviously not Sorceress. Ranger is obviously not Huntress. Druid is not Templar lmao. They have different fucking accents.>Look this is the same guy but with a totally different backstory, different accent, different language, different body shape, etc.
>>585820420You must be fully retarded, what do you think different upbringing means?The same person, being brought up in the US has a different accent from them being brought up in the UK.
>>585820354It doesn't explain a lot of the issues with the lore. For example the fact that the Witch isn't one of the Vastiri people, like the Sorceress. I don't think Ranger is Azmerian either. It really only works with Marauder and Warrior.
>>585820661But they also just straight up look different
>>585820767>>585820764Just go create a new character, click witch and then click sorceress. The only thing that changes is the hair and the clothes.Do the same with ranger and huntress, only thing that changes are the tattoos and her hairstyle.Dumb fucks.
>>585821202>Her hair, her skin, her tattoos, where she was born, her accent, her attitude, her backstory, her motivation...
>>585821202I have no doubt that this was the original idea at one point, but it just doesn't work with the current dialogue. It's also obvious that the Huntress has bigger breasts.
Truly two different people, and not just the same model with different hair and clothes btw.>>585821292Again, what do you think "same physical body, but differnet upbringing and backstory" means?
>>585821351>Same body, but different cultures, race, and place of birthHow is that meant to work?
>>585821351That makes literally no sense other than them saving a bit of money by basing the models off of the same skeleton. How can you say two people are the same if everything about them is different other than their frame? I think that someone's personality, motivations, and attitude say more about them as a person than their physical structure.
>>585821507They did it to save money on development costs, obviously. That's why they did it, that's why most models are "already done", that's why the art on those hoodies works so well: because it's the same physical body with just minor tweaks, if anything. These fucks have been cutting corners left and right and are STILL not even close to being done.
If the backstory for the Warrior is that he is a Karui who's parents died and he washed up on the shore and he was raised by Ezomytes, but then the Marauder's backstory is that he is the same guy but his parents didn't die, then that makes sense. They can be the same person in alternate realities that change how they are and operate.But when two character's backstories are one was born in a swamp witch coven and the other was born in the fucking desert you cannot possibly say they're the same person.
poe2 just isn't fun
>>585812434cutscenes dont improve a games presentation. The narrative elements being cohesive and the writing being good are far more important. Poe2s story is retarded so a shitty cutscene will do exactly 0 to make the story more palatable
>>585822714i feel yathe game just insists on itself way too much to allow you to have fun.
poe1? uh... yeah? I'm havin a blast!
I like PoE1 & 2 but I also feel like both have problems that need to be addressed.
poe1 is for us blasters that just wanna blast maps
campaign? blastedmaps? blasted trade? blastedbosses? booty blasted ubers? biggity bloooosted!I love this heckin poo
there is legitimately zero reasons for poe2 to exist besides>money pleasepoe2 did not improve on anything poe1 pioneered nor create anything new or genre defining.a pretty cash grab slop for the masses that will reject it.
>>585825801wait and see how every upcoming arpg including a game from your favorite studio gonna end up copying poe2, blizzdrone
>>585823745that's poo2 you're slurping
>>585826396>Copying PoE2Mechanics taken and raped from PoE1 will always be from PoE1.
>>585825801pretty clear it's jonny's midlife crisis project
>>585825801PoE2's future is more exciting to me than PoE1
I don't know if these PoE 3rd/1st person camera videos are some kind of AI slop but they're pretty cool. I imagine it would never really work in reality given the clusterfuck that happens of screen in juiced content but they at least look neat.
>>585830171
>>585830215posted in wrong thread award
>>585830171Everyone who plays WoW are subhumans
>>585830171>playing a blizzard game in 2026big oof lil bro
>>585830171i am replying to a deleted post about wow in poeg because there is nothing else going on in GGG's dead ass products
>i am replying to a deleted post about wow in poeg because there is nothing else going on in GGG's dead ass products
They're not releasing any teasers until exilecon, aren't they.
>>585832095he aint wrong
>>585832413they said teasers would start soon........
>>585832614You know what else is soon?Exilecon
My Archon of Chayula is finally online
a secret 3.30 teaser is hidden in this word puzzle>_nd _f s_rv_c_
why would anyone shit in a tub?
>>585833106is it "nigger"?
>>585833106its tublet>>585833307i used to shit in the bath when i was a baby, i should make a game.
>>585833106end of service
can you guys stop being schizos 24/7? I know GGG is shit and literally hasn't given us a single good league this entire year and everyone is pissed at them for ruining poe1 and making a worse game which is poe2, but this general doesnt need to be this bad
>>585834261this anon winnered biggestly>>585834136>>585833456these anons losted hugely
Looking at goth egirl tits playing poo
>>585751886Hey is this where we discuss GRIM FUCKING DAWN?
when is the next league?
>>58583968013th november for poo111th december for poo2
I don't have the itch to play anymore. I have escaped the maze.
poo egg
put in my request for my days off for 330gonna blast
>>585842979see you 2 weeks
>>585751886https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q31a7zWtBGEWas Fyregrass simply a genius ahead of his time?
>>585842979>I don't have the itch to play anymore. I have escaped the maze.that means jack shit well into the dead months of a league
>>585842979based
Warframe and PoE are brother/sister. Based non-shitty-US indie companies, free2play, players first, hyper nerds devs, devs play their games
>>585848330Modern Warframe is barely a game. Literally the only way they've managed to create even a modicum of difficulty is by limiting the items people can use.
>Monkehttps://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/4012002
>div keycapfuark I need dat
>>585849335unironically kino rewards
>>585825801it improved on graphics and campaign boss combatthats about all ill give it
>>585849335>forum is hyper hyped for Exilecon, PoE1 and PoE2Why aren't we like them?
>>585849335>it's all poe2 merchuhm, steam chart sisters? i thought poe2 flopped?? what about the downward trend????
why is there a DoT damage cap at like 31M dps but there are meme builds that can shit out billions of dps
>>585850832the cap is there for technical reasons, not game design reasons. DoT is calculated and stored as damage/min and the damage per minute is capped by the 32bit signed integer limit, which is (2^31) - 1, which is 2147483647. Divide that by 60 (to get to damage per second) and you get your dot cap number of 35791394.
>>585851331What I find absolutely inexcusable is that poop2 didn't fix this because "damage will never be this high in our ruthless game" only to have the exact same issue less than 2 years in
>>585850832mobs just stop taking damage if you go over dot cap
what if these games were never good and were just an extremely effective way to kill time and make people feel productive?
>>585851808>What if these games were never good and were just <good at this thing>
>>585851808That makes them good. The measure of a game being good is the people who play them enjoying them.
>>585851331that's the dumbest shit ever, how long has this bug been in the game?
>>585852439>BugIt's just limits, something that could've been exceeded with PoE2 but
>>585851808>says while posting tranime, probably gachaslopmy word
>>585852439it's not a bug, it's a well-known engine limitationnot really relevant in PoE1 unless you do deep delve but it wrecks multiple builds in poo2
>>585852439It's not a bug, it's an effect of numbers getting to a point that the original game had not been made for. An unexperienced Jonathan built the engine with this limitation. But let's be honest - 35 mil sot dps is way more than you'll ever need in poe1, it's like 100-150 mil hit dps die to the 100% uptime
>>585852753They capped damage in 1 so it wouldn't fuck you due to overflow. Did they not implement that fix in 2? That's hilariously incompetent.
>guy buying one hundred trillion of something 50% higher than the next buyer>sell him 40>he pulls his listingso that's how chink bots work?
>>585852439dot cap is more damage than anyone could ever possibly need in poo1 let alone poop2
>>585852754>>585852753>>585852568>it's not a bug, it just behaves in every way like one (unintended side effects)have you been running this cope for a while?
>>585853328But it behaves exactly like expected
>>585853328It literally is retard. >Design a game where number can't get any higher>Number can't get any higher>Bugfix plox???Blame GGG for their incompetence.
>32 bit integers overflowing into a negative value at a known point is a bug of integers
>>585852948This got tested this in 0.4 >>585851706 and I don't remember seeing a fix in the 0.5 patch notes so probably not
>>585853181you can hit the dot cap even on cheap builds>>585853386>>585853515It would not be a bug if it applied to ALL damage, but since it does not it is a bug
erm, why not use a data type that allows for bigger numbers?
did they really not think ahead and realize they needed to use more than 32 bits?
>>585853328imagine a tub, it can hold 32 bits of waterif you pour more into it than it can hold, it will overflowit's not a bug, a design flaw, a defect... it's a LIMITATION of that tub
>>585853736Because when they initially made the game with zero experience they probably picked a default value. From their 2010 pov the values were so far away from what players could achieve, the cap might just not exist. Fast forward 10 years and it suddenly mattered, but rewriting the damage pipeline is not feasible for something that doesn't really matter so we're capped.What does stump me though is that the newer game not only ignored to fix the design but also didn't implement the bandaid fix that 1 got (capping before overflow)
>>585854323there are tons of problems in poo2 that poo1 encountered and solved years ago, I blame tubathan's incompetence
wow tubanon still going strong I see every fucking day <3
>>585854323It's an easy fix. Why haven't they fixed it?This isn't like changing an engineIt's changing ONE variable It sounds like they're hiding behind it because they're afraid they're incapable of balancing DoT damage.
Dot damage is deprioritized because you don't get big dopamine spikes from it like you do with other builds and damage types
>New classes
>>585854963Changing a variable data value means changing all the spots it gets interacted with too.
>>585856565Is this shit written in assembly or something? It's not that big of a change
I'll wait 2 (two) more weeks until Exilecon and if Jonathan doesn't pull out some massive news I'm joining the tub crew
>>585855209dont give me hope bro
>>585857482Pige
>>585857482looking good, bex!
>>585857192It's 10 days.
>>585854239Maybe if they took the turds floating in it out first...
>>585821202>REBOOT!
>>585855209wait a minute are you suggesting they plan to add the missing classes that everyone expected them to add for 1.0? WOOOOOOOOOOWWWWW
>>585858668>then whatever
OCTROONVIAN
is reave good on non stacker builds
>>585860637Depends, do you consider builds with lots of negative lightning res stacker builds?
ggg is going to make billions with this series of major events (the new PoE1 league, PoE2 1.0, and Exilecon) in less than a month. I think you're going to have to tweak the tub meme and replace shit with gold.We won but we lost.
>>585862125yes but i tolerate it
>>585863778>we lostYou lost, not me. I get to enjoy PoE1 and PoE2 while you whip yourself into another doomsissy hysteria over nothing.
>>585863778I don't think the PoE1 league is going to be very successful. GTA + WoW + PoE2 1.0 releasing like a month later
>>585864459That's true, but my guess is that it will tie together Poe 1 and 2 and target players who are eagerly waiting for 1.0. This could easily turn out to be the last truly significant league for Poe 1 so it makes sense to go out with a bang.
>new classesbut i graduated
>>585864459>GTA console normgroids and POE have zero overlap>WoW the raped retards will speedrun it in a few days with quest helper mods and eceleb powerleveling strats and then complain about being bored
>>585864732GTA will hurt PoE 2 numbers
>>585864704Damn niggy got him goooooood!This is not a same fag post for once
>>585864732>console normgroids and POE have zero overlap>>>>imblyingKek
>>585864978>>585865085Cope
new asses
I love ggg because their based games are FREE and fantasy core kino. So... shut the fuck up, doomers.
>>5858650850.2 had like 40k ccu on colsole, no one cares about poe on console.
>>585707083https://suno.com/song/0a65adad-c1d4-4546-99eb-434f53eebea9It is ready.
FOR REALLET TUBATROON COOK
I trust GGG
>GTA6 is 210GBHere's your new industry standard.
>>585869812doesn't matter because i wont be installing it
>>585868713around kiwis never relax
>>585870771Is there a kiwi in that webm?
>>585870932>kiwis and ostriches are different saar!!
>>585871095retard
>>585871589>Once bonded, a male and female kiwi tend to live their entire lives as a monogamous couple.based
>>585869812poe 2 is 140gb and it's not even open world and has low quality textures since the camera is so far away. gta vi will be a massive disappointment scale-wise on release, and all the content will be patched in later and paywalled
>Release new poe1 league along side WOW & GTA6...>also release their love child poopofSHIT2 two weeks afterWhy are they so determined to destroy the goat poe1
>>585874469>>Release new poe1 league along side WOW & GTA6...nobody gonna plays these games one month post release
>>585874469Poe 1 has been secondary to Poe 2 for the past 7 or 8 years if not longer.
>>585872656>Unlike most birds, female kiwi are larger and dominant over males.
why did they remove the trading history tab from the website? has nobody noticed
>>585874469>WOWboring dogshit>GTA6overhyped garbageliterally no one is going to care about either of these things after 2 weeks. People will still be playing PoE1 and PoE2 for years
>>585867032i dont say this often but get a life
>>585866869basado
>>585875960eos
i need a chinese clone of these keycaps asap since ggg is not selling them online
>>585877365
>ummmm ackshually poe2 is the better game, because it has better features that were ported backwards to poe1, like the currency exchangewhenever morons claim this shit, it makes my fucking head explode. these mechanics would have existed in poe1 years ago if ggg hadn't been financially raping it's poe1 customer base to fund the absolute tragedy that it is poe2
>>585878127cope n rope lil gup
>>585878127everything ggg did from 2018 to present day was in service of poe 2. the only real exception is the most recent iterations of the poe1 atlas, which to my understanding, people hate.
>>585877365>>585877530Pretty sure you can 3d print them
>>585876365Glad you enjoyed it. Smash that tub button.
JONATROON
>>585878476This is you just being a petulant retard. Eater, Exarch and Maven have nothing to do with Poo 2.
PoE1 and 2 are both suffering from the constant incestuous content that is shared between them. Every time they update a league in either game you know it will be in the other game eventually. It really takes the wind out of the sails of both games.>Wow guys we totally reworked breach in PoE1!>HOLY SHIT A NEW MAJOR UPDATE FOR PoE2 WE'RE UPDATING BREACH... it is the same as PoE1>Guys... we put Abyss into PoE2 but it is so different and new and awesome>HOLY SHIT THIS PoE1 LEAGUE IS DOING IT... WE'RE REWORKING ABYSS... it is the same as PoE2...The constant shared content is just inherently less interesting and they constantly fuck it up between the games. PoE2 Abyss is great and drops tons of loot. PoE1 Abyss is dogshit and required like 5 different buffs and frankly I quit the league before I knew if it was finally made decent.But at the same time what the fuck are they gonna do? Rework a shared league mechanic and just keep the old as fuck one in PoE1 when it is dogshit?
>>585879332>PoE2 ... is great ... PoE1 ... is dogshittrvke
>>585879406Nobody is saying this
>>585879191that storyline was going to culminate with the destruction of shaper's atlas, and that was going to transition into the poe2 endgame. >two campaigns with a shared endgamebefore poe2 was a standalone game they talked about grounding the game in 4.0 and moving away from the godkilling endgame that poe1 became. it's why all the foreshadowing of mavens parents never went anywhere.
>>585879332Both games are getting stale and PoE2 didn't help like everyone though it would. ARPGs are played out at this point.
>>585880508It is because PoE2 is just becoming more like PoE1 but with a different gem/atlas system. Every PoE1 update just feels like PoE2 leftovers with something that is currently in PoE2 or you know damn well was made for PoE2. It would be interesting if Breach worked differently in both games, or Abyss, or whatever. Instead they are slowly making both games have the exact same leagues so it is like, okay, in one game I have a mageblood that makes my flasks permanent and then in the other I have mageblood that is pretending to give me flasks. Not that exciting.
>>585879332They promised that 1.0 would include all of the mechanics from Poe 1 in an updated form. I highly doubt they’ll include the remaining four or so missing mechanics in a single update, but they definitely plan to keep adding them, so at least until then, we’ll see these shared mechanics in both games. After that, they’ll most likely move away from PoE 1 and focus all their efforts on PoE 2.
>>585880663I agree but I think it's more than that. There are a lot of ARPGs around now and I think people are burned out on them
>>585880508>>585880663>>585880841That's literally just your problem. In reality, people are really hyping 1.0, and 0.5 was literally the second most popular update after 0.1.You've played too much and tired of it, or you're simply refusing to accept change, either way most people won't agree with you. I'm willing to bet that your opinion will change after Exilecon because all this whining and lack of information really does foster this kind of mindset.
>>585881410You misunderstand me.I think PoE1 is the one that faces the most problems from this. I am excited for 1.0, my current mentality is:>Excited for 1.0 and am looking forward to duelist>If 3.30 doesn't actually have a big end game update I am probably going to skip it in favor of waiting for 1.0 in PoE2, don't really feel like doing the same stuff again just with more nerfed endgame farmsWhile I think that PoE2 is impacted by it, I think it is more of a 75:25 situation. It is also not just me, I've seen plenty of people say they are really on the fence about 3.30 due to its proximity to PoE2's 1.0 release, and I am far from the only person to complain about PoE1 being cobbled together from PoE2 assets.
>>585881798i would be surprised if 3.30 was a big league, let alone an expansion league. i don't even know what kind of league they could drop a month before 1.0 that would be well received. ggg have literally denied gauntlet events if they thought it would impact the next leagues launch numbers, so a full league right before something like 1.0 is uncharted territory.
>>585881798I really don't understand why you're expecting anything from Poe 1 to begin with. It's literally in a very strange live support mode, they obviously wanted to discontinue it after the Settlers league but had to bring it back because Poe 2 is taking longer than expected.Mercenaries league was literally built around a SINGLE unreleased skill for Poe 2, Keepers is simply a stripped-down version of Poe 2 Breach which came later, Mirage was realy low effort, and Allflame is most likely a test run for the upcoming Poe 2 Heist.>>585882468I can see 3.30 being a major update if it's the final one, a big update to bring the game up to a good standard so that people who want to can keep playing it without constant updates. Just like Destiny 2 did recently for example. At best, they could allow players to create private leagues from any league of their choice (or at least some of them) and essentially put the game in the hands of the community, but that’s just a pipe dream.
>>585882851>Why do you expect anything from PoE1Because the devs keep jerking us around and teasing a big end game update/expansion that they're dealing out piece meal while talking about their big plans for the future. They're either trying to do it or are, I dunno, lying just to have PoE1 still give them some more revenue? I don't know, but I do know that THEY certainly indicate that big things are supposed to come for PoE1.
https://d2survivors.lol/play/enjoy the kino
>>585882851the problem with 3.30 is that it needs to be good enough to not piss people off, but mid enough that people are happy to quit after a week or two. they should have skipped 0.5.5 and launched 3.30 early. i don't even play poe1 anymore, but i just don't see this working in a way that doesn't backfire.
>>585883606Like I said, I think it would be cool if 3.30 was an update with no new leagues or content, just balance adjustments and the option to play in the old leagues. That would be perfect before 1.0. Rather than having these ridiculous updates cobbled together from bits and pieces of Poe 2, I think most people would prefer to play their favorite league again.
I remember the first time I ever fought Shaper and I was legitimately nervous. Fun times.
>>585879332You got it wrong, pal. PoE 2 had the updated Breach since its beginning, it was never using old Breach models from PoE 1, you are probably thinking about Delirium
>>585885424no, he's right. poe2 breach was basically poe1 breach. they beta tested the keepers shit in poe1, then they added it to poe2.
>>585885424Nigga what? 0.5 added the genesis tree, forts, etc. Back in 0.1 it was just basic ass PoE1 breach.
>>585880781>After that, they’ll most likely move away from PoE 1 and focus all their efforts on PoE 2.This is opposite of what's going to happen. They already have been focusing all of their efforts on Poo 2. Listen to Jonathan's interviews. Finishing the acts is going to free up a bunch of resources for GGG and they are going to put more people onto PoE. The game has had 13 devs on it for awhile now. That's pathetic and negligent for a game that still has hundreds of thousands of people playing it. It's really makes me sick what they've done to the game in the last half decade and Poo 2'ers are so delusional that they think PoE is holding Poo 2 back.
>>585885691I'm not talking about the fucking tree or Keepers of the Flame, dingus. What IS Breach??
>>585885691PoE breach was more fun since it had actual monster density. Porting Dogshit 2's Breach to PoE is fucking retarded and feels hollow. They ruined one of my favorite league mechanics.
>>585885973Wasn't PoE1 breach terrible for a while though? Like they had basically nerfed all the loot from it?
>>585885731>This is opposite of what's going to happen.This is cope
Why didn't they add Xesht to poe1
>>585886112Because he hasn't mogged the breachlords in PoE1 yet
>>585886148and breachladies
>PoE 1 is holding PoE 2 backfinally the coping seethers admit the truth
>>585886018it sucked ass, and you had to manually open hands and pick up individual splinters scattered around the breach.
>>585886226tubathan's failed poo2 project is holding Path of Exile (the superior game) back by leeching funds and resources that could be better used developing it
>>585886275They changed that. You didn't farm the mechanic.>>585886018No, Chayula Breachstones were some of the most steady profit in the game.
>>585886275Exactly like in PoE 2 in 0.1 and 0.2?
>poeg in a serious discussion about the effect of poe1 end-of-life support on poe2 development>some cretin comes in and starts posting about "tubathan" and "poo2"the credibility gap between 1 and 2 is widening
>>585886431>They changed that.they changed how hands open in necropolis, the splinter drop change was a few leagues ago.
>>585887425I really can't blame him. This information vacuum really does lead to negative thoughts. We know absolutely nothing about 1.0 and 3.30
>>585887425You are the reason this general is so dogshit.
anyone done with the league want to give me their divs
what the fuck are friendly jellyfish? why is this a chart mod
does the splash damage from a melee hit also count as a melee hit
>>585879332they're just setting up to be the first game studio to make version 1.5 as their third major releasetubtacular!
>run 20 abyss maps for exp and jewels>get one divine>do one voyage>immediate divine on the first moblove it
X6DP-TLWM-L6GJ3-C3P6-SRBFwow forever free week code. come play an even more tubbed game
>>585889389poe2 is everything they said it would be, the only deviation from their original plan is that poe1 still exists.
>>585889802thanks bro you're a beast
you know what's really cute? I'm pretty sure they already have the functionality for autosort in the game they just refuse to make it available to the player
FFFP-xWTJ-6M4KF-LN9V-L3KHreplace the x with T (for tub) wow forever free week code
>>585890290chris era ggg didn't want autosort because the game was already a spreadsheet, mark has echoed the sentiment over the years. affinities are good enough.
>>585867032any way to download this without registering? I want to add it to my start of the league soundtrack
>DUDE ITS EA LET THEM COOK>DUDE THE LARGER MAPS AND SLOWER GAMEPLAY IS A GOOD THING>THE LONGER CAMPAIGN IS WHAT THIS GAME NEEDED>IF YOU DONT LIKE IT THIS GAME ISNT FOR YOU GO PLAY SOMETHING ELSECrazy how all those people disappeared.
>>585760305Seeing this out of context made me laugh>>585755672>>585756153>>585806323Wait a dang second. Are you telling me if I return to POE2 after being away since week two of release there is going to be almost no difference in content ??
>>585890975>chris era ggg didn't want autosort because the game was already a spreadsheet,what logic is that? EVE is a spreadsheet game, this is an ARPG, if anything it's ADHD dopamine clicking
>>585891110they're still around, they just have a different shill script
There's no auto sort because being able to sort your inventory takes away from the spirit of the game. How are you supposed to feel the weight of moving your hard earned loot around if you can just click a button and have it done for you. Go play something else if you want that.
>>585891110They:1. let tubathan cook for a while, then realized he wasn't cooking, he was shitting himself in a tub2. got tired of crawling at 50% of PoE1 movement speed through gigantic maps in search of the last remaining rare and other similar experiences of which poo2 has many even today3. finished the campaign and enjoyed it4. took their own advice once they realized the game is tubbed and fucked off to play something elseit's not crazy at all
>>585891110the ea is over. the longest map takes 3 minutes to clear. the campaign is like 5 hours long if you are slow.most people just ignore doomers because they've been repeating the same shit since 0.2, seriously who the fuck is complaining about the size of maps at this point?
>>585891540point in case lel>gigantic maps in search of the last remaining rare they changed that over a year ago.
smells awful in here, what gives?
>>585892057tubposting isn't a meme, it's a lifestyle, the aroma is a part of it.
I don't understand the tub meme
>>585885424You dumb fucks think a mechanic update is just graphics? Graphics are the least important thing they changed about breach and abyss...
>>585893461i don't really either but i like it
Tubposting is nonsensical fecal fun!
Why did they spend the last 8 years making a game that is less fun than PoE? Are they stupid?
You see, it's 5d chess and it's actually you who is too stupid to get it
every genny needs a few good gimmicks
>>585879332Has anyone in this entire general seen the 2019 GDC presentation?Chris admits that the entire reason they were able to make leagues so fast was the fact that they recycled all the content they could get away with, cold maps are just re-colored desert maps.
>>585883460this is pretty fun, thanks bro
>>585896006the assts are not even the problem. it's the gameplay and mechanics linked to it. i'd be fine with poe1 and poo2 abyss or breach looking alike if they played differently.
>>585883460malware
>>58589625080% of the mechanics in poe are monster circles
>>585897071Ok, cool but whatever happens in those circles is vastly different. Too bad they just didn't give a fuck in differentiating poo2.
>>585897915almost all of the poe2 mechanics are poe1 mechanics.
You should funpost more tastefully.
>>585899876please don't trannify the tub, thanks.
Poop
my sleep schedule got fixed because there's nothing to play after work
44 days until 1.0.
rubba dub dubjon shits in a tub1.0, a flub‘cause jon shits in a tub
just say bump next time
just don't post your worthless quip next time
Tubatroon
bumping this
3.30 when
>>585885691New breach is fucking trash. Same for new abyss. The novelty of watching your character jump down a hole gets old pretty quickly
Abyss, Delirium, Ritual and Abyss should be rolled into a single mechanic
We should roll you into a single mechanic, then gobble you up! hmmm yummy.
>>585909494kek the amount of dumb bullshit animations they put into poo2 just because they look pretty once, but you gotta watch them hundreds of times is crazy>unveiling items>jumping down this hole>jumping down that hole>pulling some lever>you vill put ze stone in ze cradleit is incredible how much they are going with form over function
reminder that melee skills takes a lot of animation that's why they almost don't want to add more melee weapons in the game
>>585910456it's not that incredible, they forked poe2 back in 2018 or whatever, systems like that were more common back then. they just kept them in poe2 for whatever reason.
>>585911374There are no player animations that usurp your character in poe1 what are you fucking talking about retard?>>585910456You're forgetting the entirety of act 4 with the boat nonsense. Most horrid act in an arpg I've ever played.
>>585910456ProjectPT complained that the exile didn't open doors themselves by pulling levers, or climbing through vents when they releases Heist.This is the result, it was his last request in his suicide note.
>>585911749there are lots of animations in poe1 that you have to sit through hundreds of times, also has lots of dialog that you need to spam your way through. poe2 does have more diegetic elements, but that's just because they removed them from poe1 to streamline the gameplay.
What's the verdict? I think poo2 lost badly. And it's about to get even worse with time
Speaking of forced dialogue>Boss intro is so long your buffs/charges wear off
>>585913887honestly everything about the shaper fight is bad.
>>585913858So true, king. How many more players do you expect 3.30 to get compared to 1.0? What about 3.31 (lmao) versus 1.1?
>He needs buffs to kill a boss
>>585914037Not sure about 3.30, depends on how much effort they put in and how much wow forever and gta 6 affect the player count and retention. 3.31 should go down swimmingly. I expect 1.0 to attract a lot of jeets and russian bots (you can send me a postcard, if you don't end up in Donbas before then) as far as 1.1 , I expect it to continue the general trend of bleeding players. 0.1 to 0.5.5 was 600k ->150k. Ouchie
>>585913601>also has lots of dialog that you need to spam your way throughYou only need to actually talk to a handful of NPCs in PoE1 to progress (like Clarissa after you free her) and you can just hit escape to cancel the dialogue immediately. 99% of the time you click on an NPC, hit escape, get your reward, leave. Poo2 is way more egregious because you have to sit and watch the RP play out half the time, you can't even skip it.Poo2 wastes the players time an order of magnitude more than PoE1.
>>585914687they removed that stuff over the years to streamline the game, i think kiracs quest was the last actual rp in poe1. poe1 players just want tinks. idk why they left all the boss rp in the game, no one wants it.
>>585915463poo2 players just want tinks, which is why they removed any challenge from the game after 0.1 and just turned it into a shittier version of poe1
>>585915463there was only ever one questline where you had to follow npcs and it included combat. it was following sirus through oriath and arriving at the old atlas machine. that was literally the one time they ever did anything like that. you're full of shit
questline = badgot it
>>585916076yeah poo2 is slop. poe1 is like you click on an NPC, hit escape, get your reward, leave.
GRIM
DAWN
>>585916329yawn*
last epoch won
>>585916194no one said this and you are coping
>>585916102poe1 used to have quests and rp shit, they removed it all over the years. poe had a lot of things that newfags would have an aneurysm over.like you used to go to act 3 and use the old map device after the campaign, you had grind maps until zana randomly showed up and gifted you a map device for your hideout. not to mention all the daily quests.
3.30 is likely to see an Exilecon bump that counteracts what the "true" number would've been in a vacuum surrounded by big black AAA titles in every direction. Should be 100-120k max concurrent even though it's going to crater to 0 in a week.1.0 should be 750k to a milly. If they pay the big normie streamers enough money they can beat Lost Shart's vanity metric but those people aren't going to stick around or spend money so it's pointless unless Troonathan really wants to dunk on /pooegg/.
>>585916415the 'forgot it existed' competition
>>585916561The saddest part about 3.30 is not how many players are going to play but that it is going to last effectively less than a month
>>5859170173.31 will be delayed too because they're going to pull all the devs to fix PoE2's launch and forget to reassign them back to PoE1 (again)
You are now aware that Poop 2 is being released at the end of the year so they can blame all of the game breaking bugs and shit server performance on mandatory end of year vacations. Sorry guys we're just such good employers that there's nobody here to make sure Euro servers are turned on :)))Oh they didn't work all of last league? Sounds like the problem was on your end. Works on my computer :)))
>>585917119Judging by this year they are going to delay 1.1 to make a 2 months gap between 2 games again
>>5859173343.30 is early, they will push back 3.31
>>585917327>Euro serversliterally no one cares about your shithole orwellian continent
>>585917603The previous year we had a PoE 1 league in October
>>585916530no it didnt retard
>>585917327Don't you have something more important to do, Louis? I wouldn't worry about servers if I were you
So GGG we getting FSR4 for 1.0 right?
>>585918240>FSR
>>585917850>poe1 didn't have daily quests>you didn't start mapping in the eternal lab>zana didn't give you your map device after randomly meeting her in a mapinteresting
i love how the jade isles boss takes so long to both introduce hinself and phase transition twice, that you lose your burning ground because it also locks you out of doing anything for too longwho the fuck enjoys that shit?
>kill the target and leave a witness alive dailyThis made PoE 1 boomers piss and shit themselves in rage because they couldn't blow up 12 screens at once for 1 single second every couple of days.
I firmly believe GGG is gonna have to cancel one of these league launches (probably PoE1) because there is no way they're gonna be able to sustain these launches in any kind of timely manner without them creeping closer and closer together.3.30 is basically less than a month. That is insane. Why even fucking bother?If it is a huge update you're actually just hurting its potential to get more people into PoE1 by making it so close to the f2p 1.0 launch of the shinier new game. If it is some tiny ass nothing burger league like the last 2 we had, then just fucking delay it and release a more substantial one later. All of your content creators play PoE1 and 2. They'll just wait for PoE2 and they're 100% going to switch over to PoE2 when that launches anyways. Releasing 3.30 makes no sense to me other than the fact that GGG wants to maintain community good will by not "lying" about releases or fucking over PoE1 players again but I think the community would actually be more understanding considering PoE2's 1.0 launch is only gonna happen one time anyways.
>>585918914thats not what we were talking about. this is just a massive goalpost shift. You didnt have mandatory animations that needed playing as part of story exposition. That was contention 1. And the contention with the atlas questlines is that you have to do specific things to unlock atlas passives. Just because you talked to an npc before loading whatever fucking map you wanted to do does not mean there was a mandatory questline. Elder etc influenced the maps organically as you mapped normally, you didn't have to go through loading screens and gameplay abstractions you fucking retard.dont @ me again
>BFR waddles into the office>"Show me your tub face, Tubathan!">"hnnnngggh">"That's not a tub face, Tubathan! Let's see your real tub face!">"HNNNNGGGH!!" *shits himself*
>>585919229PoE 1 players don't care about PoE 2 so why does it matter?
yeah, used to have. they learned that players don't like these things. yet they put that shit back in poop2 and added a lot of stuff poe1 never had: yapping, RP walks, NPCs having unskippable dialogue, going back and forth to trigger quest progress (oona act 1 comes to mind)it's almost like they didn't make poe1 and need to relearn everything again.
>>585919117yeah but bro do you remember having to click on zana one time? Totally same thing bro
>>585919402Yeah they do. The vast majority of PoE1 players also play PoE2. Every PoE1 content creator plays PoE2. There are more PoE2 players who do not play PoE1 than there are PoE1 players who do not play PoE2.
>>585919510nah
>>585919510
>>585919510NOOOOO NOOOOOOOOO NOOOOOOOOOOO
>>585919349>You didnt have mandatory animations that needed playing as part of story exposition.half the bosses in the game have an invuln yap session. idk what point you think you are making with atlas passives, they work more or less the same in both games.
>PoE 1 currently has 3 full time "ideas guys" and 10 programmers>PoE 2 currently has 12 full time "ideas guys" and 50 programmers>4 years ago when PoE 1 was in its prime it still only had 3 "ideas guys" and 10 programmers>after PoE 2 launches it has already been confirmed that devs are moving back to PoE 1 so the team will be bigger than ever>somehow /poeg/ thinks this isn't enough people to make the games
>>585919510>The vast majority of PoE1 players also play PoE2lol nojustlook at the streamers and their audience of newfags
>>585920125bosses yapping os annoyingmeanwhile losing control over your character is just retarded and a cardinal sin in games
>>585917621>EU>orwellian
>>585920958don't you only lose control of your character when you get knocked down?i would rather get knocked down than listen to shaper or sirus. i would rather get punched in the face irl than listen to shaper or sirus.
I don't mind bosses having exposition the first time you fight them. I just think when you fight them later in the atlas, or on repeat attempts for bosses you first meet in the atlas, that stuff should be skipped.You fags gotta remember they do want the game to appear like it is a real game. You know, with a story, dialogue, etc. They don't want the game to become a minimal interaction skinnerbox designed to only appeal to people who are addicted to it. You can easily do both if you just make it so when you fight the Jade Isle boss in maps he doesn't do his dialogue.
It's funny to see Poe 1 delusional fans. They really think they have a future when the last 10 years have been nothing but ports of content from Poe 2.
>>585920125pinnacle bosses do. Not regular map bosses. Atlas passives absolutely do not work the same in both games. I don't need to run breach zones to spec breach. I get whatever points i want from just putting a map device in the map. you are so full of shityou also completely gloss over all the rp walks, shitty cutscenes, jumping down a hole, climbing down a ladder, hoppign off a boat bullshit added to poo2. curious
>>585919510poe1doomers souls left their bodies reading this
>>585921286the fucking state of modern poe1 players. how do you people even make it out of the poe1 campaign?
>>585919510>Source?>I made it up.
>>585921742i didnt hear an argument
if 3.3 had WASD more poe2 players would play poe1
>>585921924almost every act boss in poe1 is rp or phase slop. how many phases is avarius, 6?almost every endgame boss in poe1 is rp phase slop. every time you want to kill shaper you need to go in, kill 4 random bosses(half of which have some bullshit rp or phase), then shaper/zana rp, then a gay zone+boss, another shaper/zana rp sesh, then a gay zone+boss, then you can kill him.
>>585921190Jade isles boss is a forced loss of control, and so are a lot of RP-walking instances.
>>585922331no one was talking about act bosses stop being retarded on purpose. none of the shaper mini bosses usurp control of your character or make you watch some mandatory villain exposition. are you fucking high right now? Retarded? Why do you keep pretending not to understand what everyone else is saying?
>>585922605>>585922561>no one was talking about act bosses, or mini bosses, or pinnacle bosses>when you get knocked down in the jade isles you can't move for 4 secondsdoesn't the same thing happen at the end of the poe 1 campaign? also the minibosses before shaper do whatever rp/phase they have in the campaign.
>>585923118yes, AFTER the boss fight. meanwhile you lose your shit like burning ground in the middle of the fight, twice, in jade isles. also, the knockdown does not happen after the campaign, retard. there are many more instances in poo2 where you just lose control.>also the minibosses before shaper do whatever rp/phase they have in the campaign.that's wrong, none of these is annoying like most poop2 bosses. the only really annoying rp that still exists are the shaper yapping, and the elder bosses getting spawned.
>>585923118you're retarded. the issue isn't just losing control of your character, but also losing any buffs or burning ground effects or other shit you need to juggle for some builds to function. there is no such thing in 1.
>i hecking love watching my character do the RP walk scenes every campain walkthrough, this adds to the game! i also hecking LOVE that they upped the dialogue amount to 11!
>>585923461:^) me when i lie
>>585923326>also, the knockdown does not happen after the campaign, retard.isn't that at the end of the campaign when you wake up on the karui shores?>>585923461>there is no such thing in 1.such a thing happens in poe1, like shaper for example, or if you get retarded rng with sirus, it can even happen with searing if his phases bug and he does a double ball phase. can happen with the poop monster as well.
>>585923118you literally never get knocked down and lose control of your character in any boss fight in poe. Not in the campaign, not in maps, not during pinnacle fights. this literally never happens. There are boss immune phases, and that's the extent of the annoyances in poe1. >also the minibosses before shaper do whatever rp/phase they have in the campaign.these dont exist. The "longest" "rp phase" to pre-shaper bosses is a 5 second wait time for a spider to descend into the arena. You are literally retarded
>>585923921i think the lying retard excluded pinnacle bosses which would still be incorrect because act bosses have emerge animations too
>>585923921the shaper ball phase is an active combat phase. You can't damage the boss but you are still actively doing something eg dodging or avoiding puddles. Sirus phases are as long as the player allows them to be and are actively disrupted by the player. I cant wack jade isle boss upside the head to stop his soliloquy. >poop bossYou end the phase yourself retard, you never lose control of your character during the fight
>>585923691meanwhile in poe 1https://youtu.be/a4byVidKrtk?t=3310>>585924308don't forget merveil, the oversoul, malachi, daresso, dominus, etc.
>>585924381>emerge animationswe're not talking about 5 seconds of animations retard>>585924647>trying to conflate these incredibly short sequences with the bullshit of poo2>trying to conflate add phases with active combat to cinematic sequences or rp walks where you cant do anythingkys yourself
kinda funny that person who must be playing overpowered meta builds deleting these act bosses just forgot about them having rp just like jonathan forgot about poo1 after settlers
>>585924804if you can kill them they don't have an rp sequence, are you retarded? if you are fighting its not an rp phase. add phases are not rp phases stop being a nigger
>>585924771>incredibly short sequencesthey are the full boss fights, malachi and dominus being the most annoying, malachi because it's 6 phases, dominus because of all the rp slop while he is shapeshifting.
>>585925189no no you see, these bosses, they don't count, okay?
>>585925189>rp slopI am begging you chinks to just play cookie clicker instead
>>585925361oh sorry, in poe1 it's super meaningful and engaging, it's bad in poo2 cuz tubpoops. kek
>>585925189both malachai and dominus you are fighting the entire time what the fuck are you even talking about? again add phases are not rp phases. stop being a nigger
we call them add phases in poo1.
>>585925589you can fight dominus when he is invulnerable and shapeshifting during his invulnerable shapeshifting phase? damn, poowunners built different.
daresso turning invincible and summoning invincible clones of himself? that's an add phase.avarius turning into innocence? add phase.kitava casting his res reducing beam on you? that's right. add phase.
>>585925923its 5 seconds. maybe 3. The non-combat phases in poo2 are far more egregious. Just because you are being a disingenuous little nigger doesn't make you right. you must be a pretentious little shit with no friends. seriously, this is why no one likes you
you can watch more add phases herehttps://www.twitch.tv/tytykillermaybe even a rare transitioning phase
>>585925943>daresso turning invincible and summoning invincible clones of himself? that's an add phase.yes, i have to dodge>avarius turning into innocence?takes a second>kitava casting his res reducing beam on youthats outside the fightkys yourself. i wish you had a trip so i could filter your absolute retardation
>>585926093Holy melty
If you do too much damage in poe1 you skip boss RPif you deal too much damage in poo2 these phases will still happenalso, by "rp in campaign" i meant shit like arriving in act 4, having to walk with or wait for rog, having to tech una and waiting for her to sing, walking to sin and waiting for him to slowly unmask, listening to geonor taunt you for 20 seconds before coming down, shit like that
>>585926093>its 5 seconds. maybe 3.would you be surprised to learn that it is actually 26 seconds long? kekhttps://youtu.be/WCvcd2c0lLE?t=172
>>585926256im gonna kiss myself instead
>>585926394its called time manipulation phase
>>585926394lil gup, they sped that up.meanwhile this is the dogshit you have to deal with in poo2, even in endgame. whenever i fight him in endgame it's 5 seconds fight, 30 seconds wait, 5 seconds fight 30 seconds wait, againhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2h3XS0Ijao
>>585926728>health refills slowlychills
>fiverr jeets now pretending that watching boss health refill and listening to them yap over and over is goodhow much they paying you niggas
>>585927295it's kino in poe1, it's kino in poe2. i fail to see the problem.
>>585926394it was 20 seconds in that clip from 3:00 minutes when he died to 3:20 when his health bar pops up again, and it's much shorter now because this is a 13 yr old clip. SAAR
Why can't they just make two versions of the boss, a story one and a standard one. Are they stupid?
>>585927691apparently yes. they stitched that endgame together in a hurry because until mid 2024 all they did was work on the campaign, and they barely put resources into endgame. it shows.
>>585926728from 17 to 31 seconds to start the fight so 14 seconds firstthen from 1:16 to 1:30ish for second phase (excluding quins retardation)then a 3rd time from 3:18 to 3:51 another 33 sseconds for a total cinematic experience of 61 SECONDS of bullshit. Yeah and we are gonna say poe phase changes taking 5 seconds is equivalent to this bullshit
>>585919510>poe1 is just a gap-filler for people who really like poe2 and aren't getting enough of it yet1ers aren't gonna like this lil trukie....
>non-brown humans play poo2news to me
>>585928147who gives a fuck? shaper is like 5 minutes. some bosses take longer than others. >but you get knocked down for a few seconds and that is completely unacceptable for reasons i'll never be able to articulateget over it.
>>585927579Someone is fixated on the idea of PoE 1 being neglected even though it has been proven over and over to not be the case.
>>585928147and this happens everytime you run into him in endgame, too
>>585928345
>>585928420shaper is an optional boss. It's also not 5 minutes retard>i'll never be able to articulateSure I can - losing control of your character takes away your power as a player as part of the narrative element. When some retard villain goes on a diatribe it's natural as the hero to want to smack him around. Games that allow you to do this put you in the driver seat of your character so you can maintain a semblance of realism and connection with your character by smacking around the villain while he speaks. It's part of good narrative and world building. Taking away the players ability to smack around the villain while he's talking like a retard introduces ludonarrative dissonance
>optional boss phase
>>585928448Which is unfortunate because it deserves to be neglected.
>>585928897interesting how you put the word phase in there where it wasn't in the original reply
>>585928448>to not be the caseWhat was the last original update for Poe 1? Metamorph?
>>585928773>shaper is an optional boss.isn't he a part of the endgame atlas questline?>smacking around the villain while he speaks.you can't smack around a villain when he is invulnerable, or when he is shapeshifting, or hiding in the ground, or hiding on a ledge.
>>585929381NTA but I think they took him out recently as a "required" pineapple.
It's looking grim for 1ers today. In the war of ideas... poe 1 lost.
where do these fiverr jeets come from?
>>585930364In the war of phases as well
>>585930364poe1 didn't lose, it got starved.
>starvation phase
>>585930364poo2's "development" consists mostly of (incompetently) implementing poe1 features
>>585931101Most of the updates in Poe 1 are literally based on the work done for Poe 2. Everything after 3.0 was literally a lead-up to 4.0 which ultimately became Poe 2.
>1gup claims become increasingly desperate and outlandish as they try to regain control of the narrative
>>585931417What? 3.0 happened in 2016, 4.0 was announced in 2019, get your facts straight
Tub.
>>585932310Keyword is announced
>>5859323103.0 was aug 2017, chris said they started work on 4.0 at the end of 2017-early 2018. exilecon end of 2019, and they said they would be adding content to the game as they finish it. 3.0 to 3.9 was a bunch of random mechanics, aside from delve, none of them really feel poe2ish.
>>585933496That's true enough. I think Delirium is the one where it became clear that it was being made for 4.0/PoE 2. But we still haven't seen the Poe 2 versions of Legion, Blight, and Betrayal
>>585933962ok thanks but wrong thread (it's absplute dogshit)
>>585934124They didn't start on poo2 endgame in the middle of 2024, they had no idea what they were gonna do with it until then
>>585932881They had one act ready
>>585934698one act, and as you can retroactively see, no plan whatsoever
>>585933962
>>585934412No, they just expanded the scope of what they want to do. Originally, 4.0 was supposed to be much smaller; then it evolved into “two campaign, one game,” and only later did it grow into a standalone game because they kept raising the bar on what they wanted to do with it.
Remember when GGG was gonna soft remake the PoE1 campaign and started with Act 1 and made it look great and way more difficult and then they just stopped?
>>585934817so you are saying the tub filled slowly? i wish they would have stopped filling it halfway."Raising the bar" is a funny euphemism for them feature creeping themselves to mars and back, they clearly sat into their dev room too long without talking to anyone about their game, and it shows.
>>585934789Based Morrowind chadI'll keep playing it until the 1.0 release
>>585934856Remember the backlash GGG got after that? PoE 1 gamers don't want a challenging game
>>585934856they only ever made lioneyes look better>>585935102wrong. we want a challenging game, but we don't want a challenging campaign because that's the part that matters the least.
the campaign is your chore to do before you get to actually play your build and make your character. nobody wants that chore to be made longer and more annoying.
>>585934856i think their plan was make poe2 and maybe tack on an updated poe1 campaign. they went from "it's an expansion" to "it's a full game" pretty quick, and they said poe2 would have killed/destroyed/replaced poe1. i 100% think 4.0 would have been a bait and switch.
>poe2 is good because it contains all the content that was added to and iterate on in poe1 from 2016.>poe1 is bad because it contains all the content added and iterate on since 2016Uhhhhh? Poopers, explain?
>>585935769they just like poo2 because they had been hyped for it since 2019, and admitting to it being a steaming heap of shit would just break their feeble minds
>>585935769poe1 was great from 2013 until a few years ago, even then it was good but they were trying too hard to placate the people that showed up during meta/deli. now the game is fucked because they didn't want to deal with the headache of people sperging on the forum and reddit over big nerfs.
uh oh stinky
how did poop2 get so tubular
we've been tubbed :(
>tub phase
will they remove city maps and 4 tublets?
GGG insider here. A big surprise for Exilecon is the offline version of Poe 1 with full mod support, since they’re migrating all the servers to Poe 2. I caught a glimpse of a demo mod they’re working on, and it seems to include a couple of new items and skills, new ascendancy, and a custom NPC voiced by Jonathan
biomes are fucking retarded
>>585939618hahahahahahaha oh boy good one! keep em coming!
>>585939834endless atlas as a whole is retarded, you can never get to a point where all you run is juice, you will always have chores and prep maps to run. and that's not fun.
Muh juice
>>585940154but the weight anon the importance don't you get a sense of accomplishment after finishing your prep maps? it's so FUN
>pretending to like endless atlas out of spite for doomers
endless atlas is good
>>585940589many are saying this
you should be able to use one or two scarabs for your mapslaves
>>585940154like 90% of the maps you run are 4 tablet deli juiced and we haven't even had an endgame expansion yet.
>>585941679how do you run 4 tablet deli maps 90% of the time? you need to travel and set up the deli, that's a lot of chores. and then you get your 1 good map and it's back to exploring and setting up.
>>585943867Poo2 atlas sounds so fucking fun
>>585944140yeah, it's a true marvel of player spite
Where are the fucking spoilers Chris
3.30 better have less challenges, those niggas be insane if they think everyone is going to tolerate a 40/40 right before 1.0
>>585946525Challenges are boring
>>585946525There's something fishy going on with 3.30. There's no way they'll launch a proper league less than a month before 1.0 with all these other games coming out at the same time.
>>5859465251.0 will be a standard league to compensate
>>585946946Why?
why even grind the end game in poo2? There are no interesting chase items, no interesting chase builds. Everythign is just paint by numbers. There's no exploration or discovery and the game is still in beta. It's a solved game and it's not even out yet. How does that happen?
>>585947474And somehow, Poe 2 retains players much better than Poe 1. Interesting.
>something fishy is going onOr maybe the company is just being poorly run by Troonathan considering we're 2 years into a 6 month long beta and the game isn't even half done???????
>>585947598attracts lowest common denominator. the piggy masses love slop
>being poorly run>Literally more popular and profitable than ever
>>585947474Because slaves are desperate to be whipped in the maze rather than pay attention to their worthless real lives.
>>585947754the problem with popularity, is that ever since the 3rd world was given access to the internet, their opinions have been given the same legitimacy as everyone else. we need a way to gatekeep these people from polite society and economic participation.
Like alaska
>>585948189That's why they should never make the actual game Free-to-play, we have poo1 to contain all the thirdies in it
>>585948387sp true saar
Jeets actually bought keys for Poop 2 because it's considered to be the hottest RMT target outside of WoW for the next 3 years. Millions of people will be getting in on the gold rush and botting/scamming 24/7.
>>585943867use grand projects, run 2-3 maps for deli, the rest are city maps.
having very racist thoughts
>>585951001>poe2 is insanely popular and has a massive playerbasenice to see doomers finally come to terms with reality.
Uh oh tick tock
>>585951458you're retarded, right? you'd be priced versus a group of 1 player and 5 bots.
>>585952221>even AI says we're gonna be under 0.1 numbersgreat success, tubman. the game is only going down from start and there is nothing he can do to save it
>>585952221Now let's see what it says about 3.30 numbers
@grok is using something to do exactly what it says an exploit
>>585953160>3.30 is a completely new game that has been in development for 10 yearswhy are poopooers such insecure mentally ill freaks?
>>585953358Afraid?
>>585953050It says most likely that it will be more? We will compare 3.30 launch vs 1.0 on 11 december tubanon and it will be beautiful
>>585953571It is pretty clear you coached it to say that, but it still gives less than 0.1 as a likely number. I will laugh so hard when this happens.
>>585952909thats like 60 chaos. grand projects gives you access to 20-30 maps, half of them city maps.
>99% of jeets live in complete poverty>But somehow, just because it needs to fit a narrative, they all have high end gaming PC's that can run PoE 2.>They wouldn't opt to run PoE 1, which is free and easier to run on a 970 system.
>>585953869Nop you can ask yourself ChatGpt gave most likely at 650K but told me to wait for exilecon
>>585953291This is a continuation of a general trend of niGGGers being unable to take responsibility for their own fuckups, punishing players instead It's cultural rather than poo2-specific.
>>585954060the doomtroons aren't very smart, its why they have to follow build guides with thousands of hours in this genre.
Now I told chatgpt all the new things that will come and it will be free to play and it went from 650 to 750.Grok overall seems smarter but i gonna give ChatGPT cred for telling about exilecon
>>585939618>custom NPC voiced by JonathanI actually could believe he would do this out of spite to PoE 1.>>585820210The last white man in PoEG.
way too many trannies comfortable speaking out of turn in this general
Is she talking about herself?
>>585955675
New bread onegai
>>585956791>>585956791>>585956791
>>585956812kys gacha troon
>>585954060Since when 970 became a common jeet GPU?
