*loses the coin toss*
>>750746981THERE IS NO FUCKING COINTOSS
>>750746981>yanks power corddie clanker
*rapes OP*
>>750747102t. lost the coin toss
What kind of idiot do you need to be to consider a copy of yourself a competitor or enemy.
>>750747968a canadian
>>750748543Fools.
citing youtube, the coin toss was the iq test everyone failed. of course there is no actual coin toss, but people that call Simon retarded for thinking this way would themselves fail pic related. throughout the game we consistently follow the copies of Simon; from their perspective, with the extreme circumstances they are in added on top, it's really not surprising for them to think and act in the way they did. it's much more difficult to reason about a situation from the first person point of view, especially when you were suddenly put in an unfamiliar, post apocalyptic scenarioCatherine apologists also miss that she did in fact lie to Simon at the very end, as there was no reason to have the upload and launch tied to a single button, much less on a timer, as it just increases the chances of things going wrong. she was aware of Simon's misconception, and used it to make sure the ark would be launched no matter what. her trying to deflect with>b-but i explained it to you!!!is actually really good writing, because that's exactly how an autistic, emotionally immature person would act when their gaslighting comes to light. there is a reason real Cath got bonked on the head with a wrench
>>750747968Because it's not (you) from the get go and the differences will mount up over time
>>750750243All the more reason to cooperate in order to reduce value drift.
>>750746981Nihilist propaganda slop
>>750747968there now exists another person that knows perfectly well what you masturbate to
>>750750295what? theres nothing really particularly "nihilist" about the game...
>>750746981I had a thought about this once before I was aware of this game and came to the conclusion that if i ever was to be presented with the consciousness coin toss whether in the context of uploading my mind to a computer, molecular teleportation or whatever else sci-fi concept that would suddenly come to reality I would just simply kill myself instead.
>>750747968My first goal if I had a clone would be to work together with him to fuck the system over ( and kill jews ). Too bad it's never happening we have to lay low for now but one day who knows I might be able to do something.... >>750750302>know how to draw>can't fap to my own drawing if I did it myself, no sense of surprise or discovery like when you find a good art piece>clone draw my porn requests and I draw hisperfect
It's beyond me how so many people were unable to understand that the "coin flip" was metaphorical and it became such a point of contention.
>>750750582*loses the coinflip*now what?
>>750751231a big black man enters your asshole
*tosses you off*head or tails, punk?
the man had literal brain damage before he got scanned and put in sludge robotshe was a retard
>>750751341
>in the 2040s>the public is now allowed to become digital and upload their minds to big server, if you can afford it>your last week as a human is spent at luxury hotel>you must wear the cap all week as it copies your mind and consciousness >when the day comes you sit in a doctor's room along with a drone>the mind copy is complete and the doctor activates the link>you are suddenly seeing double, being in your own body and in the drone at the same time>doctor cuts the link to your old body>you become the drone and watch your body die from brain death>now you are online and come move freely around, by internet or physical dronessimple as
what if the coin landed on its edge?
>>750746981That simon won out in the end. He might be alone and in a shitty facility with a roaming murderdroid but at least he isn't trapped in the pitch black darkness surrounded by robosharks, alone, and no way back. This nigga just has to leave the building while playersimon is irreparably fucked.
>>750751517leave the building and go where?
>>750751554Burgerking
>>750747968thisif I realized I was a clone and my original was right there and we were basically the only humans left in the world (or, facsimiles of humans) I wouldn't leave my original to follow some gook bitch to the sea floor, I'd be like "damn let me wake my man up so we can find more bodies and chips and make more clones"
>>750751461>you become the droneOr do you? Who's to say you won't be left in your old body as it expires?
If I was Simon I would've immediately figured out I was a robot (because I'm not retarded), thrown Catherine into the abyss and taken a boat to Tijuana.
>>750750295humanity had already been completely wiped out. you care about some clankers with no souls?
Until the last stretch of the game where you meet the old lady, there were no people in the story. Just misfiring algorithms.
>>750751739>>750751517>>750751678wasn't Simon I made out of a weak diver suit that couldn't survive outside of the vessel? wasn't that the reason why the transfer had to happen in the first place?
>>750751843He couldn't survive in the deep ocean, but he could survive fine at the first base's depth. And yes, that's why the transfer had to happen.
>>750747968I know I'd be insufferable and piss myself off.
If he was a robot that survived on self-replicating goo to begin with, why not go up to the surface and build a house or something?>Oh but it's radioactiveNot his problem anymore. Honestly, the "I must shoot The Matrix into space" is such an odd motivation.
>>750751843He was outside the vessel quite a few times.
>>750751461Copying does not transfer the human consciousness down a wire and turn you into a a computer ghost.
>>750751554Go explore post-apocalyptic Earth and chill with Waufu as she recreates humanity
It's called copy and paste.Not cut and paste.
>>750751958It's basically this.>my own clone? hate that guy>people I've never met? love those dudes
>>750752085>aliens are further away on the moral scale than amoeba
>>750752085>disregard big picture>planet gets fuckedwoooowww
Its neat how the Soma concept was somewhat replicated in cp animeThere you also have a satellite and digitized consciousness being transferred there
>>750751958>he was a robothe wasn't>why not go up to the surface and build a house or something?because there's literally nothing out there?
>>750751780canadash is on the right of the sofa btw
>SOMA thread>everyone in the thread is retarded
>>750750243It quite literally is (you). Your mindset does ensure (you) will make an enemy of (you)rself in such a scenario though.
>>750752339>everyone in the thread is retarded except meftfy
>>750751689>>750752020The answer to that will not be known until such a thing is possible. I would argue that it is worth doing even if your assumption is correct though.
>>750752532The point is nobody will ever be able to tell for sure because to an outside observer both copies will be indistinguishable from each other.
>>750746981>another OMG ME SMART AND EVERYONE ELSE DUMB! thread
>>750747968t.loser slowly rotting at the bottom of the ocean while his copy fucks virtual holes in space
>everyone's arguing over coin tosses and consciousness transferJust chill underwater with the freaky fish men. There's no urgency.
>>750752532But it is known now. The biological matter in your brain cannot be magically transmogrified into ones and zeroes, that doesn't even begin to make sense. Whatever virtual representation of a person that might ever exist will be a separate, artificially created entity and not a direct biological transformation of the existing brain cells that make up said person.
>>750747968If there was a clone of me we would fight each other to see who gets to fuck the other in the ass
>>750752798Don't blame IT fags, they never actually learned the difference between analog and digital. Or discrete vs continuous for that matter.
>>750752798We barely understand how our brains and consciousness works. Your assumption that we already know the answer is frankly foolish.
>>750752874Why not discuss the idea and reach some sort of compromise?
>>750751461>please upload your consciousness to the machine goy, you'll become a robotI HATE THE ANTICHRIST
>>750752954All we need to know is that it's in the brain, and is a result of the biological matter and chemical reactions therein.
>>750752954Nigger you can't take the neurons out of your head and put them into ones and zeroes in a computer, a consciousness upload WILL ALWAYS BE A COPY OF YOU. YOU WILL ALWAYS BE IN YOUR BIOLOGICAL BODY.
I hope Ontos will be just as kino.
>>750752954We don't technically understand how gravity works yet pointing that out isn't a good defense for why you plan on walking to the moon.
>>750753268>>750753297Why? What determines 'you'? If 'you' is a specific pattern of electrochemical signals then there is no reason you can't replicate that pattern. If you slowly replace someone's brain with artificial neurons at what point do they stop having a continuous experience and just die?
I reject materialism wholesale and I'm sad for people who believe themselves to be nothing but biobots.
>>750753407>If you slowly replace someone's brain with artificial neuronsyou kill the original person while slowly replacing them with a copy.They will experience dying via their brain being replaced.Why are we still being so retarded on this subject?
>>750753407>at what point do they stop having a continuous experience and just die?It will probably feel like Alzheimer's or dementia to them, but they will still die.
>>750753268>>750753297You materialists really are quite silly.
>>750751843Simon at this point didn't really have full and proper context for what was going on. If he had all the facts and was able to face reality properly then generating a clone to go do his job for him would be fine but they didn't really have time.Instead the psychotic bitch continuously lies and only when the "original" simon is sitting near comatose in the chair does she reveal to the new clone what happened.The game's plot is so demented and frightening only because Simon never really gets a chance to fucking breathe and come to terms with his new reality
>>750753458>repairing the brain is impossible, we should stop tryingweird take but okay
>>750753407Yes but a replication isn't you, it's a distinct separate entity that is the same as you.You can't control or inhabit that consciousness because it's physically separate from your brain, the object that is actively creating and maintaining your own consciousness.You're supposing the old Tesla idea that you consciousness is a phenomenon that isn't directly associated with you or your brain, and that your brain or a mechanical facsimile of your brain is receiving it as some sort of broadcast.That's not how it works; no ones ever observed a consciousness isolated from hardware.As an idea. Each time you lose consciousness and then regain it by sleeping and waking up, are you the same consciousness or a different one that has all the previous consciousnesses memories and experiences? How would you know?
>>750746981I thought the >le kill yourself after transfer lmaoWas retarded, but in retorspect it was the best idea
>>750753407You could theoretically slowly replace someone's neurons with functionally identical artificial equivalents as the existing neurons naturally die over time, and hopefully the brain will seamlessly adapt, so you could ship of Theseus someone into having an artificial brain, but that'd be a very very slow process that would have to start early and take over a hundred years to complete. Even then, that's still distinct from a digital copy that resides as ones and zeroes in a computer, and copying such artificial brain into a computer will run into the same issues as the physical matter is left behind.
>>750753626>That's not how it works; no ones ever observed a consciousness isolated from hardware.Atheists just ignore every evidence to the contrary, then call themselves scientifically rigorous.
>>750750443FUCK
>>750753695The evidence: >I imagined it therefore it is real
>>750750136>>750751342Humans in the SOMA setting are already significantly more retarded than what most would consider to be baseline when not subject to confirmation bias.The original Ark project was plagued by retards killing themselves right after being scanned to "win the coin toss". The complete breakdown of the installation was due to suicide cults and literal paste eaters.>>750750243You are already closely cooperating with another person since your brain has two hemispheres. You also already run predictive models and gaslight yourself into believing things. Close cooperation and communication after complete separation would minimize drift because drift of consciousness is already somewhat self-correcting by necessity.>>750750302Sounds like a benefit.Implying that's not exactly what I masturbate to, no the glowie watching me masturbate doesn't count
>>750753626Once again, the materialist take on consciousness is perhaps the most retarded one there is.
>>750753809So you say, and yet you haven't blown your brains off. Curious.
>>750747968he's a different person though, he needs to be crushed
>>750753809But people are getting fruitfly connectomes to play beat saber and inhabit a torment nexus right now.They are all the same specific male fruitfly's connectome.
>>750747102>fpbp
>>750753458>>750753495>>750753668Alright then how do we become conscious beings in the first place during fetal development? What structure creates 'you' and locks 'you' into that specific brain forever? If stem cells can become consciousness, and repair brain damage without the person ceasing to be the same person why can't artificial components that behave the exact same way do it too? What about the new neurons your brain creates until full maturity? I assume you experience a continuous stream of consciousness interrupted only by sleep or being knocked the fuck out and then when you wake back up you still experience being you and don't just fucking die every time. At least, that's how I experience reality.
>>750753891You're just like the loons who only behave because they fear punishment after death, and you don't even realize it.
>>750750243you're not you from years ago either you dumb bitch do you really think you've been carrying the same atoms around this whole time? what is fundamentally the difference?
>>750754052Actually your brain cells don't get replaced, so you still have the same neurons you were born with.
>>750753972You become conscious when your brain first starts performing the electrical and chemical activity that creates consciousness.You are chemical and electrical patterns made by your brain.
I especially hate how materialists just declare their view as factual and refuse to even entertain the idea they might be wrong.
>>750747165*Loses the rapetoss*
>>750754297Show me an immaterial consciousness.If you start talking about ghosts and ESP I'm going to be so disappointed in you.
>>750754184proof?
>>750754184Then why would slowly replacing it with artificial neurons that emulate those states exactly kill you rather then maintain your continuity? If we are a pattern of states what limits those states to cells? If you replace the occipital lobe with artificial components is it still that same person but they're now blind and have a functional but separate vision processing center?
>>750754471no see biological matter is both dead and soulless but also magically the only thing that can contain your consciousness
>>750754471You're right.However.What you imagine this allows is that I can create an idle duplicate of you who I will call Anon B in a distant location I will call location B, you being Anon A in location A.When I switch you off in location A and simultaneously switch on Anon B at B, you do not leap to location B. You are asleep at location A.This is the trick the game pulls. It does this once, at the beginning. And when this takes place, you are actually changing from one character to another. The real Simon went home and ate dinner and later died offscreen.
>>750752798Technically you are not the biological matter in your brain, you are a kind of circuit of electric signals housed in and generated by said biological matter. An "electro-consciousness" as it were. Theoretically, and this is a BIG theoretically, there might be some way (that we will most assuredly never figure out) to migrate that electrical current to another structure (either bio-engineered or mechanical) created to house and sustain it. The big if, of course is how do you move a collection of electric impulses from point A to point B without it losing the specific form/pattern it has that makes you "you" aka continuity of consciousness. And even if you could solve this problem, how do you keep the new "housing" for your electro-consciousness from changing that pattern, since are consciousness's are constantly being changed due to chemical and other inputs the physical brain and body generate. Would your consciousness "break down" without these inputs? Would it cease to work or resemble a human consciousness? We just don't know enough about how the brain works to know.
>>750751678Make an army of myself and reconquer the world.I'd dig that.
>>750751516I hope it doesn't involve having my soul stuck inside a sword for millennia or being stuck in 3 different forms at any point in history.
>>750754651I agree with that. Two existing copies does not allow you to swap between the two, implying some sort of relationship with location is involved. Or that an exact copy is impossible so the issue never becomes an issue, but that's a moot point because then the debate becomes what happens if you COULD create a perfect duplicate.>>750754682Our dogshit wetware constantly fails and breaks and fluctuates. If I'm still me with a 104 degree fever or return to being me after psychedelics then a machine with far greater precision and control should easily be able to maintain the pattern required, it's just retardedly computationally expensive to do so. There may even be more than one way to express the pattern that creates "you".
>>750750243They know all of your secrets, there is no one more dangerous to you than yourself. They have to die.
>>750747968because if i were him, i would want to get rid of me, before i get rid of him, so i have to get rid of him before he gets rid of me.and that hes the sherif
>>750746981I'm so glad I won the coin toss this morning when I woke up. It always scares me to death knowing that I could fall asleep one day and somebody else will wake with my memories and I'll be gone forever.
>>750747165>OP loses the coin toss>gets manpregnant with a buttbaby
So this game is just that part of The Prestige where the Hugh Jackman drowns in a tank of water every night?
>>750747968uh im not some gross weird robot in a suit??? so obviously that thing needs to die
>>750756053no, you're a meat popsicle.
>>750754859>If I'm still me with a 104 degree fever or return to being me after psychedelicsYou grossly underestimate how much this has to do with how far more durable, malleable, and capable of self repair our brain is. Computers can catastrophically fail if a single bit is off because you put a fridge magnet too close. Nothing we've ever built is even measurably close to the "sustainability" of the human brain.
>>750747968Everyone with a sibling?
>>750756150You can't expect children to behave rationally.
>>750753554>psychotic bitch continuously liesYou mean she talks to him like he is a normal human and can get implications and not a low quality scan of a man that was already severely brain damaged.
