Even to this day they still do autobattler 2d shite
>>750742747Even if they make their own genshin, genshin still exists. Even the supposed genshin killers failed to capture the genshin audience
>>750742747Because unlike China, Japan makes real video games.
>>750742747China developed their mobile/pc games more because they don't have consoles
>>750742747Would Genshin be fun if it was single player running locally on your PC or do people play for other reasons?r. clueless
>>750743760>>750744025Genshin has better gameplay than every jrpg
>>750744269mighty bold claim
>>750743685I dont play chinkshit but it looks visually appealing enough. What do the other chinkshit knockoffs offer that it doesn't?
>>750742747Japs are too busy to make real games that will be remembered forever. They don't have time to make gachaslopThe only japs who are willing to degrade themselves by working on gachaslop are incompetent untalented hacks. Which is why Fgo looks the way it does.
>>750744025I haven't played Genshin more than a little, but gacha games are not MMOs, they convert pretty simply to a purely offline format given they are almost entirely single-player in the first placeAnyway gacha games can be fun for the story & characters, and they aren't as greedy as a lot of mobile games tend to be but the game part is always very basic. Personally i don't like open world gacha because they seem to focus more on wasting your time with bullshit, which is doubly irritating when the combat is already not very compelling.
>>750742747Because they have a real vidya industry. Why waste 100 million dollars on a gacha when you can make the next resident evil?
because japanese gacha devs are all very lazy or very incompetent, or usually bothjapanese devs with self-respect persist in developing real games instead of shifting to 100% gacha games. Like look at Hoyo which have like 10 games now but every last one of them is a gacha game.
>>750743760>>750744536>>750744590>>750744632Too obvious
japs treat gacha exactly like they do pachinko. it's just jangling keys that distract you while you gamble. they don't put effort into making it play like a real game because they don't see them as real games.
>>750742747Why spend the effort making an actual game when goys will spend bucks on 2D flash games?
>>750742747They would not have the budget and resources to make even a single region similar to Natlan with its saurus exploration mechanics and puzzles unironically. And thats just one region.They would've long made it if they had the cash now genshin is just too big to compete with it.
>>750742747They can. They just choose not to.Why spend 4+ years to try and do something ambitious like genshin (that is still already an established game with a huge fanbase that will continue to pay and play no matter hot much they get fucked in the ass by dawei) that MIGHT work and catch on. When they can just shit out a low effort auto battler with chibi sprites in a year or less and hope some whales get hooked multiply their investment by a factor of 10
>>750742747Because Japanese developers dont get mega-corporation money.They literally explained it was always a money issue.
Why are you suggesting that the japanese should ditch real games in favor of overpriced and sanitized digital theme parks?
FGO probably murdered any chance of a decent jp gacha to be created
>>750747478FGO is far better than G*nshin. Yes the bar is that low.
>>750747520I kinda hate bothgacha games should be more like trickcal
>>750743760>Japan makes real video gamesYeah like pachinko
>>750742747The chinks specced into f2p MMO's and early mobile gaming so they got this shit figured out. While japs make traditional gamed which is a buy to play, chinks went the other way of f2p but pay to win, incentives of daily quests and seasonscome and go to maintain populatios but those games are meant to cater to whales to play out their power fantasy of killing f2players. When japs first popularized gacha with fate they never did go all in with that and stuck to their ways, same devs tried to do their own shir but FGO id ultimately carried by its charaters and artists. It was up the chinks with their mastery of f2p MMO's and mobile gaming to push the envelope and make genshin impact, borrowing from breath of the wild but turning it f2p
>>750742747All the Jap companies are run by boomers who absolutely refuse to do anything new/different. That's why japan is now behind in basically everything.
>>750742747why would a nation with actually good financial sense for vidya get into the meme format of AAAslop budgets for a motherfucking phone live service game? they can just continue making real games insteadthe real question is when chinks are going to start making real games that aren't just cheap reskins of something FROMslop already did better
>Japan is legally allowed to make genshin but with actually sexy designs.>They just don't because they hate money for some reason.
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>>750747808anon, even with the massively skewed "estimates" being in the favor of chinkoids, every single month in the revenue charts JP gacha like FGO and uma musume routinely go head to head against billion dollar gacha like hoyoslop in terms of revenueand those are games that borderline are solodev tier in terms of budgets compared to the literal millions hoyo pours on each patch of each of their gamesin terms of raw profits japan wins in the gacha category by a landslide and it's not even close all youre saying is chinks have spent their entire gaming history honing their f2p mobileslop craft to the best it can be, and they still lost against japan whose gacha industry is the equivalent of a mangaka getting piss drunk, drawing a porn doujin, and it somehow making similar profits to the entire million dollar CCP comic industry that month
>>750747983you know its true the japs themselves are frequently discussing what would it take to make something as massive as genshin etc. Well you can't make something on the scale of genshin immediately it took years for genshin to get to where it is now in terms of content. Granblue relink had that potential if it were live service but well cygames make enough money without caring about actual games anyway.
>>750748073And what carries FGO and Ume Musume? Is it mechanics of the gameplay that makes the players engrossed to spent their hard own mone? At least in chink gachas their improved at the fundamentals and it's not just turn-based jpegs like FGO or rng horse raising sith Uma Musume. Gacha games ultimately revolve around the characters it creates so by your estimation because FGO & Uma Musume are the top earners means their the best gacha? Well by that logic jps have no reason to push to innovate more that jpegs are enough
>>750748191>you know its true the japs themselves are frequently discussing what would it take to make something as massive as genshin etc.99% of the time it's AA and single A devs saying the equivalent of "yeah we can't do AAA development, duh".The other 1% was nagoshi coping the chinks didn't give him genshit tier money to waste on JAV whores and plastic surgery.
>>750744367I agree with him although in some ways KH2 is better obviously. SE could make a crazy good gacha with KH2 gameplay lol. Instead they'll make trash forever though.
>>750748223>And what carries FGO and Ume Musume? Is it mechanics of the gameplay that makes the players engrossed to spent their hard own mone?The idea that chinkoids unironically think gacha gameplay is somehow deep is comical.>At least in chink gachas their improved at the fundamentals and it's not just turn-based jpegs like FGO or rng horse raising sith Uma Musume.The problem is that's just admitting chinks were too dumb to compete in the complexity of turn based gameplay and decided to run with the tail between their legs to action gameplay.Place where they lose too because they have nothing but "press X to awesome" slop and have nothing that even comes close to godhand, DMC, KH or ninja gaiden, they don't even have anything that compares to early FROMslop like DS2, chinkslop is THAT bad.>Gacha games ultimately revolve around the characters it creates so by your estimation because FGO & Uma Musume are the top earners means their the best gacha?Yes.You don't get to run away from constantly using the argument of "chink gacha makes more money therefore they are better than japan" only to hide like a bitch from it when the covid bubble deflated and the market normalized.>Well by that logic jps have no reason to push to innovate more that jpegs are enoughThere's no point in "innovating" gacha or GAAS slop when they are inherently cheap cash grabs, any dev that can "innovate" in this space is just making real games instead.Japan is seemingly the only smart nation due to understanding this and not wasting billions making literal phone games.
>>750742747Gacha games that are watered down games are inferior to autobattlers, if I wanted real gameplay I'd play a real game not this lobotomite 3 button shit
>>750747983This has been debunked.
>>750748439we've now came from "gachas have no gameplay" to "actually the gachas with no gameplay are better", kek
>>750742747Why should japan spend the time making a blockbuster with long term financial gains when they can make a shitty licensed IP game that no one cares about?
>>750748450>Using a literal trailer as example.What's funny is the money hoyo spent on this trailer alone is far more than some AA JP studios have spend in their entire lifespan since the 90s.>>750748515Turns out people don't appreciate time black holes in the form of phone games.The time investment per day some gacha ask for, especially hoyoslop, is fucking absurd.
Japan fell off. They're losing the cultural export market to Korea and China now, in games, comics, music, and soon anime.This is mainly due to them being retarded isolationalists that don't know or care for anything not Japanese.
>>750748526he says, while slop like ZZZ keeps being a financial money furnace for hoyo from how poorly it keeps flopping despite multiple relaunches and even among chinkoid cultists the only characters in ZZZ people ever care about were those that were designed early into the game's lifespan, anything including and past the CCP mandated chinkwank zone may as well not exist
>>750748538It's from ingame cutscenes. Your argument is invalid.
>>750748580i legit can't even remember the last relevant chink gooks did, even if you count gachaBA? that's fucking dead on the water after the literal EA nigger became the CEO of the company and raped the gacha system
>>750742747Because Japan is absolutely fucking incompetent when it comes to developing any software. They are incapable of making any good games because of that. They can come up with a good plot, but not gameplay.
>>750748585ZZZ still make millions of dollars every month, what do you mean
>>750742747Japanese can't into majority of the game genres.
>>750748646While burning dozens of millions of dollars every month.It's kept afloat by shart rail and genshit money.
>>750742747>why don't they do thisCN and SK's approach to gacha is a complete opposite to JPJP puts out very low effort, cheap as fuck gachas that don't take much time or effort to release new content for. This makes their profit margins exceedingly easy to hit and go beyond. It makes their gachas very efficient, even if they're shit and only work because JP salarymen are drones.Genshin, and all of it's more high effort clones, works through the much newer and volatile live service model where you pour a significant amount of resources and upkeep into the gacha in hopes it will be met with even more profit in return because yours has gameplay, better graphics and is more appealing.It's much higher risk though, and for every genshin there are dozens of flops that have died costing hundreds of millions.No shit JP doesn't attempt it when their current gachas are low risk and sustainable cash cows, and they also have fuck all experience with expansive gachas, with attempts like Tribe Nine showing they have no clue what makes people spend on characters and no clue how to monetise or advertise either. They are just completely behind.
>I'm only having fun if the company dupes normalfags into spending money through insidious psychological dark patterns.Genshitters ITT:
>>750742747You'd think by now JP would have made a 3D Fate clone of genshin and raked in billions but.. they just don't feel like it?
>>750743760Real like western inspired turds, snoozefest turnbased Jrpg (often damakes), or low budget 6/10 games now with added censored panties or yet another garbage rhythm game. At least Citadel duology still exists otherwise they would have zero games. I got bored of Yakuzas long time ago., and their fighting games are really stale. Mech games as genre is pretty much dead outside one title every 2-3 years.
>>750744025>do people play for other reasons?Genshin and others like it are basically the equivalent to long running never ending anime/drama series at this point.
>>750748735>even if they're shit and only work because JP salarymen are drones.They are literal phone games people play in 10 minute intervals at the office or the toilet anon (actual commute time is taken by the switch 1 or 2).They also tend to have officially written, if questionably canon, content of whatever random series they like, for the average money spent it's about on par with buying the weekly manga magazine to read it, less if they just do F2P.
>>750742747Because only faggots enjoy this type of gameplay.
>>750748073You're retarded because those estimates are not counting Chinese domestic markets, consoles and PC. Literally just mobile game to mobile game comparison. You're retarded if you think the chinks are making similar money to the japanese.
>>750748862>I got bored of Yakuzas long time ago.have you tried playing more than the literal jp equivalent of cawadootythough maybe asscreed would be a better parallel?
>>750748913nigga the people making the "estimates" not only have said they include those, they also said they include nearly a x10 or so multiplier for chinkslop and that's before the android multiplier estimate on the site itself>You're retarded if you think the chinks are making similar money to the japanese.im aware, they make worse money for higher budgets
>>750742747Japs can't handle it. Look at Manjuu a Chinese company that escape from China to make gachas in Japan. Their latest genshin like is doa before release.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH_VwR-gnK8
>>750748346Yeah you are mentally ill and a real FGO Stockholm Syndrome gamer in wild is crazy.
>>750749078>delayed global releaseThey're basically sabotaging their own game. If they won't let me play on the JP server at least I'm simply not playing this game.
>>750748223>And what carries FGOSunk cost>and Ume MusumeCygays are the only nips who are jewish
>>750748935Yeah I did I'm just playing Anomalith and it gave me nightmare at night after playing it for 6h straight. I'm over halway done with that mediocre and one of the worst designed and balanced game I have ever seen. I want to slap every nip dev in the face for making me replay same dogshit sewers level with ultra long running to the door sequence without skipping it, those assholes even prolonged the route to stairs by forcing me to find some crappy floating corrupted data to unlock three road blockades.
>>750742747My guess is competition. Best to stay in the comfortzone and minimize bankruptcy.
>>750749397Such methodology lead to bankruptcy of few dozens Visual Novel devs. And it's already starting happening to their gacha turds.
>>750744452I'd say that people just aren't interested in playing new games that are fundamentally identical to ones they already play, but i guess that explanation doesn't work with gotcha games considering most people who play one also play like ten others every single day.
>>750749397About that
>>750749630>Such methodology lead to bankruptcy of few dozens Visual Novel devs.no, that was thanks to sony killing the vita and trying to kill the entire JP vidya industry along with itthe VN industry only really survived because of the switch thanks to this, especially with steam banning shit at random
Japan's last true big budget gacha (Tribe Nine) flopped so horribly investors all got scared and ran.
>>750749792All gachaslop is reaching a breaking point, even BA had historical lows in terms of revenue, why single out japan?
>>750742747It's easy. Anyone with a braincell knows it's unsustainable to anyone except mihoyo. The same way anyone retarded enough to still plays FGO knows if someone was to make FGO clone it would sell like shit and doa almost immediately.
>>750742747But they made botw
>>750749825Most of your arguments are a total bs, Vita completely flopped so it had no effect on VN genre, Switch helped a lot due decline of PC VN revenue however it's mostly all ages VNs or censored moeges, while Steam always been irrelevant nips never used it till very recently, vast majority of VN devs never used it, they still love their untranslated physical boxes located at local shops or shipped through mail or being set on prepurchase on dlsite.
>>750742747Because gachaslop is boring by design and making anything more than that won't make it less boring
All the good 3d game devs are in the established game companies (Nintendo, Capcom) and don't want to move to gacha. By the time the Nipponese gacha companies had built up it's talent it was too late.
>>750748642Funny you should say that considering chinkshit wouldn't even exist if they didn't have JP games to copy the gameplay from
>>750743760This
>>750749938It's unsustainable for mihoyo too, they have been getting gubmint gibs since at least fontaine IIRC.
Nips fucking love to gatekeep. It doesn't help the situation that they're too bureaucratic when it comes to software.
>>750749792That bad huh
>>750749849>why single out japanHe is a chink shill
>>750750067Generic open world Ubislop for mentally challenged Ninturds that never played anything outside tendo games.
>>750749849>even BA had historical lows in terms of revenueWho would have thought that hiring some western jew would kill your game
>>750749792>Sidharta Rasidigood morning sirs
>>750746448>they don't put effort into making it play like a real game because they don't see them as real games.This was true a decade ago, but now that the trial-by-fire period is over, they now know who the real good developers are, and the one that made the best 'game' has developed like 4~5 gacha game systems. Games these days have high quality sprite work, art, anime openings, and great gameplay. It reminds me of the 90s when video games had a lot more funding, so they had excellent art and anime associated with them before the budget-ware period that followed.
>>750742747maybe in terms of gacha but they pumped out a couple of Genshin-like singleplayers by now
>>750742747Chinks trick is to actually allow training young people over being stuck to the boomer shitIf anything even Mihoyo biggest flaw is Shaoji who has been sidelining certain characters and it's some kind of nepobaby who ruined hsr momentum
Japanese devs don't have the infrastructure for a game like Genshin. The thing you have to understand about these sorts of Chinese gacha is that you basically need to have an entire division of your company with at least 100-300 employees dedicated exclusively to just running, maintaining and making new content for just that one game. Like you have to fucking commit to it. And you have to do this long before you have any real assurance of the game's success. Pretty much every Chinese vidya company is designed exclusively for these sorts of long-term games. You do have the occasional Black Myth Wukong, but this shit is China's bread and butter.Even MMOs like FF14 aren't comparable because they don't require nearly as much 24/7 manpower, nor do they release new content with nearly as high a frequency.
>>750750290Tell that to Vanillaware, stupid boomer making the team lose money because NOOO PC NO PREASE
>>750750490Wait what happened?
>>750750193Relink isn't a gacha and a bad example of what could have been a gacha, considering the DLC and how much (little) content it had after all that time (though to be fair it was probably a somewhat side-project while they're working on a new game).
>>750750687Translation: Chinks wasted a literal decade trying to make phone games into AAA experiences and now are a literal trillion or more into the sunk cost hole and can't pivot into real games to actually compete with japan.
>>750750791errm but gacha are real videogames chud! I trans heart gacha games!
I don't understand why they are wasting time and money in Azure Promare when making an Azur Lane reboot would be way more profitable. AL designs are still good
>>750750791You're not wrong. If the Genshin style of gacha model ever collapses, 80% of China's vidya industry is completely fucked. See, we're increasingly seeing that you can't actually have this many Genshin clones running simultaneously, because they're in really fucking heavy competition with each other. Very few players are gonna play more than maybe two or three Genshin-likes at absolute most, and even that's a really high number. This is why everyone's desperate to dethrone Genshin, because so long as Genshin stays the top dog, no one else can get anywhere near that successful. This is NOT a model that can sustain an entire nation's vidya industry for long.
>>750744452Genshitters are the Blizzdrones of China. Once you understand this everything makes a lot more sense.
>>750750690PC browns don't play anything other than 10+ year old live service games so they would probably lose money porting the game
>>750750887Trannies love genshin though so they will keep paying for it
Does Genshin even have gameplay? All I hear is people talking about waifus.
>>750742747>Genuine question: Why couldn't Japs adapt to the Genshin gacha meta?Huge projects like genshin require vast amounts of energy, skill and drive to succeed. Japan, just like western countries, suffers from being a society of low desire. Their economic crisis and the lost decade also didn't help. Chinese gacha may be "shit games" but they're extremely well crafted and require ridiculous amounts of math and comp sci wizardry, besides the right culture to create this specific type of anime game, which can only be made in the east because it is alien to any other culture globally. Japan, as you may have noticed, has tried copying western cultural practices in the games they create, so their collapse may or may not happen but the deadwood already is causing them to lose ground to chinese gaming.tl;dr you need a lot of highly trained young people, 9-9-6 work conditions as baseline aka what western devs call "crunch", a mostly male game developer studio free of racial horseshit or feminist politics, a HR department which is dead serious about its mission instead of being a kindergarten for middle aged karens, etc.
>>750750781Relink is actually a good example. Cygays is one of the first company that makes workflow so efficient that they can have 2 years worth of content ready in advance and still able to deliver regularly scheduled tightly packed contents across all of their live service games. Yet they know the true hallmark of video game companies is to be able to create full fledged game while keeping mobile games as pure ideaslop factory with little to no risk where you can consistently evaluate your player sentiment and shit out the next money machine accordingly.
>>750750962You run around a ubisoft open world with copypasted enemy camps and puzzles and complete them and your only meaningful reward is 2-10 units of cash shop currency of which you need close to 20K to guarantee getting a character you want from the gacha. There are also story quests that consist 90% of reading VN-style dialogue text boxes and the remaining 10% is going to some place in the open world (usually some place you've already been to) and fighting some enemies.This is not an exaggeration or a shitpost. This is what the game actually plays like.>t. played for 2 years then quit
>>750750908Shut the fuck up Capcom games sell the best on pc. Maybe you Brazilians playing exclusively on Sony consoles need to get some new brain cells and understand that nobody wants to pay full price for 10+++ years old ports
>>750751031seeing all this cope about how chinks have "high desire" for gachaslop money is like hearing someone brag about how their urge to eat dog food straight from the can is so massive they can barely control themselves
>>750751065>you run around the map and explore/kill enemiesdamn sounds like every open world game in existence
>>750751064They don't have the manpower to develop for their games in the same way China has, at least for 3D action games. I'm glad relink isn't a gacha, but if they did want to make it a gacha they literally couldn't do it.
>>750751031China's best movement is going after Landlords. They understood that having some useless 80 years old fart hogging 5 houses while adding nothing to the economy was a waste, instead of them it's better if those 5 houses can be accessed by young people so those young people can >Work >Reproduce>Bring more workers/consumers to this worldJapan and western world are running out of white and asian people. Too many are aging out, and entire generations weren't even born so you lack young workers and consumers at the same timeNo, importing kuros won't fix it since they add more problems, are lazy neets and on top of that they lack the brain to consume something else outside of stamp foods. Basically the population is too old now
>>750742747It was a dumb local cookie clicker not meant for mass foreign adoption to them o algo.
>>750750908Shut the fuck up tendiejeet
>>750751108I agree. Chinks have numbers that's why they can brute force their way where eventually they will get one or two gems among the slop they are shitting out every other week. But fuck if they tried to make mobile game anything more than fucking mobile games by investing gazillion monopoly dollars into the project it achieved nothing. Just make real game.
>>750751095Your kneejerk reaction to the existence of gacha is neither here nor there, besides being irrelevant. The facts are:a) there exists a huge audience for this type of product, meaning a lot of money can be madeb) the culture allows for these types of games because the game makers and the audience are the same people in terms of anime audiencec) highly trained/talented programmers want to work at these huge studios due to the high returns and prestiged) chinese society is increasingly wealthy with a growing middle class, unlike western countries and japan where the middle class is actively being demolished by political and economic decision makinge) the aforementioned chinese studios have no reason to pander to non existent audiences, unlike western studios which have done so and are closingEven after reading the above, your reply will be something related to how gacha is trash for subhumans or along those lines because you do not possess original thoughts.
>>750748259what the fuck are you on about retard Genshin has the worst fucking spam gameplay ever I would rather be forced to play dds2 again than ever reinstall genshin
>>750751286I'm glad Shift Up did the smart thing>Make money with Nikke>Make non gacha games with that moneyApparently besides Stellar Blade they were making some rpg or something too
>>750751305This. Destroying the middle class aka the real tax payers and real buyers will always be retarded. All because of boomers and inbreed richtards ego>Aieeeee how dare the middle class be happier than me the one who has 4 trillions in my bank AAAAAH I MUST BE LE KING OF LE WORLD I would fucking execute them.
>>750751223>China's best movement is going after Landlords.They also had their "crisis" with real estate a few years ago and it didn't lead to the economy crashing because they anticipated it and knew what to do before it happened. My brain cannot comprehend how a government which is supposed to be the devil incarnate and oppress the people is able to actually do shit. The propaganda online tells me china is full of paper buildings and retards eating dogs and sewage but the games they made make everything else look like child's play. Something doesn't add up.
>>750743760>Because unlike China, Japan makes real video games.Japan hasn't made a good game in 15 years
>>750750905>Genshitters are the Blizzdrones of ChinaHoyo is the Blizzard of ChinaExcept it's 2004, the Chinese woke feminist movement doesn't exist and there are no Chinese communist subversives because the communist subversives already won, realised it was a bad idea and embraced the market
>>750751321and then they fucked it up by hiring a literal sony "DEI specialist" to "fix" gook blade 2
>>750751430>the Chinese woke feminist movement doesn't existLOL
>>750751410same but with china
>>750751395Yids and their jeet spammers have been seething at chinks because they refuse to accept chinks are guilty of planning things in advance. We can't fucking have a few useless politicians stealing basically 80% of the country, it's not even greed only, it's retardation, all they do is accumulate wealth then be obsessed with people's privacy.Yids have been trying to recruit people against China, as if people would defend their retarded and cuck country lmaoBoomer problem is also a massive problem too, young people can't buy shit anymore and their nog obsession because rich tards have this bizarre fantasy of owning "slaves" it's ridiculousSimply invest in white youth and technology. We had it so fucking good. No shit China doesn't even need to fight and their leader was literally laughing when the senile president showed him those useless planes.
I think korean gachas stopped hiring women. I remember when Koreans doxxed the ones behind the pinching and cuck writing and it was always a woman KEK
>>750751513If they're not in a position to ruin videogames then they don't count
>>750751410and China hasn't made a good game in 5,000 :(
>>750751551Her game came out last year.
>>750751596Chinkshill anon, I have bad news for you
>>750751596b r u h
>>750751430>Hoyo is the Blizzard of Chinayeah that checks outI'm already dreading the grim times
>>750751623Correction i just checked it againHer game came out... 2 years ago... Wtf
>>750751778
>>750742747Soulless 3D slops vs Sovlfvl 2D gems
>>750751810Chinks hate this game by the way, also it flopped. It's only known outside China.
>>750751757This for real? This feels like a gross overreaction.
>>750751757>He thinks this is due to womenThis is caused by old wrinkled conservative Chinese men concerned about societal decay and they're right
>>750751623and it was shit compared to ff tactics or disgaea or fire emblem
>>750751839Thank god for that. The faster Chong can fuck off from chinkland the better. >>750751886It is its own things that's more than enough.
>>750751662I thought it was wuwa
>>750751757lmao retard
>>750751957dont you get tired of shilling your overrated game? You're not special because you like that dogshit
uh oh Chink melty
>>750752024And i can assure you i am not whoever lives in your head rent free right now
>>750752064no i'm 100 sure it's the same retards spamming that shit game for otaku cred
>>750752126There you go again.
>>750743760People always say this, but then the question is why don't they make a real game like Genshin?Huge open world with puzzles, countless different team compositions, hot waifus.Slap a $60 price tag on the initial launch and then each new region be a $30 DLC.Why don't they do that? Surely it would sell.
>>750752216why are you stupid and pretend like phantasy star never existed
>>750752216genshit is not a real game, it's a casino glued to a GAASlop treadmill it would be a real game if it were an offline single player game like nigger myth wukong, but alas, it's not
>>750752269if you didnt notice, people often act like retard redditors fishing for upvotes to also fish for recs
>>750752306are search engines banned in southeast asia/china or something? They could've just searched for it
>>750752216That sounds like Crimson Deser- i mean Dragon Sword Awakening
>>750752374the story behind why this isnt a gacha is so funny
>>750751885Nice try on the revisionism larping tranny, everybody knows chink feminists killed this game just like they also killed their own game (LADS).
>>750752358brownoids are too stupid to either use search engines or literal AI for recsand frankly theres no shame in using AI for recs, especially if you specify it for japanese-only releases AND on relatively niche genres, because the westoid side of ecelebs are completely fucking useless now and even the ones supposed to be about niche games only ever cover mainstream goyslop now
>>750752269???Phantasy Star is nothing like that. What the fuck are you talking about?>>750752275How is a game you could literally spend 5000+ hours just exploring the world, without ever opening the shop up even once, not a real game? Where's the logic?
>>750752374Yeah, exactly. But that was Korean made, and was originally intended to be a gacha before it flopped bigly in its home country.The question is, why hasn't Japan tried something even remotely similar? It's been 6 years since Genshin. Surely that's enough time.Does Japan not even make anime games anymore?
Gachatrash and anything on mobile isn't a real video game. Nips understand this while chinkoids don't. Just look at the retarded hoyoslop peddlers ITT defending the "gameplay" of these trash games. Nip gacha rely on characters and art, whereas chinkoids copy real video games. Why would I play chinkshit when real video games exist that are superior in every way and don't ask me to treat them like a second job?
>>7507427471. The initial investment is the same as if you were to make an MMO2. They work on 12-13 updates at any given point to maintain the 42 days per update cycle which requires legions upon legions of developers and even more moneyTo make it simple: wages in Japan are too high, it would make it prohibitively expensive. So they quite literally can't. Genshin has like WELL over a billion dollars put into it, it competes with GTA6 in terms of total development funds... all the while China buys you WAY more "labor per dollar".>>750744025It would even be better because then you can link character unlocks to when they are appropiate so early game players don't just nuke everything with late game powercrept characters. But imho that would also need some nerfing as characters because at some point you are just so strong you erase all enemies in 0.1seconds on the overworld and only combat events pose a challenge. This is ironically why the TPS segments of Shneznaya are actually challenging somewhat because you are forced into certain stats.
>>750752503uhh pso2 is exactly like that. They even added the dogshit puzzles for no fucking reason
>>750752503if its not fully playable offline (even if its after updates) then it's not a real gameits that simple
>>750742747Labor in China is cheap and plentiful. While it would be possible to develop something similar to Genshin in Japan at similar pace, it would be way more expensive.Large part of Genshin's appeal is the huge world, and how much stuff there is to discover. You can do side quests, talk to NPCs... Everything in these games takes time and effort to create.
>>750752537Japan is ALWAYS 10 years behind everything, just wait 4 more years and they will finally make a gacha game that is like Genshin 1.0
>>750752537>before it flopped bigly in its home countryit never came out to begin with. the original company that hired the devs to create the game disappeared, so instead of throwing the work away they just retooled it into a regular game
>>750752537I have open world fatigue, why the fuck would japan waste time and money making literal slop when FROMslop is more than enough?
>>750752552>Nips understand thisNips are huge consumers of Chinese gachaslop though.
>>750752552More like nips don't have enough manpower to pull itBesides you tendies literally shilled gacha till the competition mogged yours
>>750752606but they already made blue protocol?
>>750752593>Large part of Genshin's appeal is the huge world, and how much stuff there is to discover. You can do side quests, talk to NPCs... Everything in these games takes time and effort to create.wow you get to walk around literally cleaning litter on a pointlessly large map, "talking" to NPCs which is actually just them vomiting off AI generated chinkslop text, going to kill some randos and/or picking up more litter, going back and then suffering through another round of vomited AI chinkslopriveting
>>750752629Monster Strike is still the top grossing mobile game in Japan followed by FGO then ZZZ and the bad hoyosloppa games.
>>750747937>legally allowedlmao japan is deep in its DEIfication statelook at what happened to your petite fertile-aged anime game seriesthey are silently methodolically banned, replacing the atelier series with ryza, and predictably the further enshittification of the series with haggoids like yumia, and obese worship in kariatotal africoid-worshipping amerinigger kike death
>>750752636>nintendo out of nowherewhy do chinkslurpers have such massive inferiority complex over japan's superiority?
>>750752537Oh fuck didn't read the reply chain, my bad. Technically while it wasn't the first, resleriana looks to be jump starting the idea of repurposing gacha game into real game around nips. Those kind of games you are looking for are exist in the form of JRPG. Japs and JRPG, they never like the idea of player agency, everything has to be tailored to how they think the game needs to be played.
>>750752640>game so dogshit that EOS in record time and devs went full retarded mode the entire timeThat just proves my point that they can't make it yet
>>750752679>lmao japan is deep in its DEIfication state>look at what happened to your petite fertile-aged anime game series?
>>750751662lmao is that Zankou's outfit?
>>750752706yes anon you totally proved me wrong by posting a literal who game while every major big corpo from japan is deep sucking their israelikike and jewish masters
thread is more proof that hoyoshills don't know anything about videogames and trashing them is justified
>>750752640Only to sell it to chinks for literal pennies.
>>750752686Because you are fucking predictable. I remember you faggots always shilling nintendo gacha and suddenly >Le gacha is not a real game Appeared just when yours were btfo'd. You are the biggest cancer here, and your tranny mods delete non gacha games too just for not being nintendo so shut the fuck up, TENDIE TRANNY
>>750752710Yeah.
>>750752662Do you think that only applies to genshin style gacha or do you have no actual point beyond categorically hating them?
>>750752776pretty sure putting diapers censorship on all videogame women is china?
>>750742747How can a country that spends 6 years to make TotK support a release schedule of Genshin/Wuwa? Every region would take them at least 3 years to makeNo idea how China does it. People talk about slave labor but Japan and Korea sleeps in the office too and they can't keep up
>ITS DA NINTENDIEEEEEESSSS
genshin swap system is ass.
>>750742747generally the japs are no good at using the latest engines and producing high(er) quality graphics. A massive open-world project like this is impossible since you need 400+ staff.. TotK with switch graphics is as AAA as it gets. Ys and Trails are still on ps2 graphics
>>750752827I HATE that stupid beret so muchhoyo could learn a thing or two about alternate outfits though
>>750752776>D-D-DOESN'T COUNT!!!!everysingletime
>>750752826So you're saying you got raped so hard in an argument years ago that you're still buckbroken over it?Then again anally prolapsing chinkslurpers is never hard so it doesn't surprise me.
>>750752904it is, I wish these games would lean more into a xenoblade or 7Remake dynamic
>>750752904Yeah but it's still less ass than the generic action JRPG system where the game just plays itself. With swapslop you have to think about building teams and rotations at least. I mean most people just follow guides but that's on them. You skipping gameplay doesn't make the gameplay bad
>>750751320no need to get mad
>still no gameplay.webm
>>750752904Wuwa has the best version of it with quick swaps. If they added in something like ZZZs swap parry it would be genuinely great.
>>750752961>Yeah but it's still less ass than the generic action JRPG system where the game just plays itself.try playing more than just slop from the usual goyslop trio of SE/sega/crapcomalso play more than just the tutorial intended to be for babies to understand the mechanics
>>750752910Kondo is a greedy jew thanks to no small part to his predecessor Kato. These two fucks will buy nigger slaves and work themselves to death if they are still legal just to keep their financial report green even if it's just an increase of a single digit decimal.
>>750752961>With swapslop you have to think about building teams and rotations at least.wow, chinks finally got close to being comparable to the depth of the most rudimentary entry level team-based JRPG like persona or trailsrivetingit only took them 2 decades to catch up with japan from the 90s, yay
>>750753058Did you know you never set down any concrete goals but continue to move the goalposts anyway? It's a simple mistake anon, just thought I'd let you know.
>>750752910>Ys and Trails are still on ps2 graphicsWhy is exactly is this supposed to be an issue?
>>750753039NTE does that and they always come in with an attack, so you can use that to parryfeels like calling in your assist in fighting games
>>750748236so why can't the japanese AAA make something with the look and scale of genshin?oh right, it's because they're too busy trying to pander to the west for whatever reason
>>750753137Can't stack animations and cinch the rotation time in NTE like you can WuWa though. Mastering quickswaps in endgame modes is pretty legit gaming.
>>750752662I'm not going to argue about the writing quality, but there are bunch of people who are legit invested in Genshin's world, lore and how things develop.Also, lots of people do like huge open worlds that you can explore. Why do you think it was a winning recipe for Ubisoft for so long?And the game does manage to capture the feeling of "You see that mountain in distance? You can climb it." extremely well, thanks to variety of different locales in the world.
>>750753154Pandering to westoids would be in fact making open world AAAslop anon, just like chinks are doing.Which some companies like the usual goyim trio of sega/SE/crapcom do mind you.
I just like trickcal desuGacha games are still bad though
>>750752662Name a videogame
>>750753196>but there are bunch of people who are legit invested in Genshin's world, lore and how things develop.legitimately surprising with the constant retcons and character rewrites>>750753209pong
>>750753120It's not. It keeps costs low and development time down.
>>750753154Are you saying Genshit isn't pandering to westoids? Are you conveniently ignoring the many censorship waves it has suffered? Genshin shills really are shameless.
>>750750887this is literally the exact same thing that happened with wow so I don't know why people are treating this like some huge revelation
>>750753058>try playing more than just slop from the usual goyslop trio of SE/sega/crapcomOk what exactly action JRPGs should I be playing that have amazing combat systems? Are you going to be one of those people comparing Genshin to Bloodborne and DMC?>>750753091>team-based JRPG like persona or trailsExcept team building with 10 characters is not exactly as complex as team building with a 100
>>750753154they've already made several zelda gameswhy can't china make 1 good game?
>>750753209GTA.Because uhh... you get to steal cars and shoot cops and generally act like a nigger in it's big open world while accepting side quests.Yep, greatest game of all time right there.
>>750751395a government can be both authoritarian and efficient
>>750753226>constant retcons and character rewritesMost people who complain about that are terminally online in the lorefag community and they hallucinate half of the lore based on crumbs. When their hallucinations are debunked by the game, they cry about retcons. Currently they're busy crying that Tsaritsa's plan isn't evil enough, even though Zhong agreed with it 6 years ago. To everyone who didn't spend 6 years hallucinating a different story, current events are almost too obvious
>>750752927>>750752706Yes, visual novels aren't games.Next, mr censorship apologist.
>>750753273Every single Zelda game combined is inferior to Genshin in nearly every aspect, tendie.Worse exploration, worse combat, even fucking worse lore, not that Zelda has any continuity.
>>750753269>Are you going to be one of those people comparing Genshin to Bloodborne and DMC?I like how chinkshills constantly brag about how the action gameplay on their chinkslop is better than anything japan puts out then instantly run away like bitches with their tail between their legs from any real comparisons.Mind you chinkslop has worse action gameplay than even musouslop, and that's saying something.And some musouslop does in fact have character swapping synergies too FYI.
>>750752927>>750752849>b-but the dmm wall has a few loli gachas! you just need a jp vpn for your gacha trash!LOL!
>>750753345>Most people who complain about that are terminally online in the lorefag community and they hallucinate half of the lore based on crumbs. When their hallucinations are debunked by the game, they cry about retcons.LMFAOi will say something simplefrom where do visions come from? who gives them out? how do they give them out?
>>750753389Filtered. As you should.
>>750751623Bro... 2023 was 10 years ago.
>>750753203>>750753262If it was pandering to westerners it wouldn't even be a gacha (a monetization practice thats orders of magnitude more affective in the east) and wouldn't have an anime style.>oh but the characters are censoredcensorship happens in the east too, you know.
>>750753372majogami isn't a VN, its a 2d action game>>750753389it is also not locked to DMMneither is picrel
>>750753373nes zelda is better than genshin in every way, hoyoshill. You have all that money and and resources and your game is still dogshit compared to a 1980s game lmao
>>750752552>Nips understand this while chinkoids don't.Not only that, chinks couldn't do this if they wanted to. Nips rely on IP and creativity to sell their gacha. Chinks being soulless insect people have neither. 0 soft power.
>>750753456but this thread isn't about tiny 3 hour long games made by 2 people in a basement, this is about genshin (a mammoth game with a development staff in the several hundreds)
>>750753380You lost, tendie
>>750753380>Genshin gameplay badOk how is it bad you have more going on than even elder ring.You have elemental reactions which can cause various effects such as dendro reacting with water creating dendro bombs, reacting with electro detonating those creating homing missiles etc.What do you do in elder ring for example that’s so different you bonk…you moonveil, you buildup bleed to detonate it …the most basic shit. Basically Genshin>Elden Ring.
>>750753505>this is about genshin (a mammoth game with a development staff in the several hundreds)Sorry your billion dollar AAAslop pandering to westoids has less cultural relevance than small 3 hour JP games anon.Get emotionally invested in superior JP media next time.
>>750752952>Literally admitting being a tendieImagine still seething at gacha just because genshin raped you years ago and it keeps raping youYou are so butthurt you literally beg jannies to ban gacha now
>>750753536you are the only person I have ever seen talk about this game >>750752706 , wut
>>750753182Wuwa doesn't belong in this thread because most of the knee jerk criticism genshin gets doesn't even apply to it.
>>750753505>a mammoth game with a development staff in the several hundreds
>>750752706>>750752927>anons talking about the industry as a whole>use the few exceptions and make non-argumentsWow you sure showed us , doubling down retard >>750753439
>>750753456Let me guess:J-just use the jp eshopt.endrone>mandatory green arrowand i dont have to guess at all, that isn't what the big japcorpos are marketing, but woke westoidized trashyup, faggot confirms it >>750753536 your argument is invalid
>>750753536>cultural relevanceLiterally what is that and how does it work. You don't even touch grass to know
>>750753530>You have elemental reactions which can cause various effects such as dendro reacting with water creating dendro bombs, reacting with electro detonating those creating homing missiles etc.with the exception of geo, which just gives you a shield, does any reaction do anything that doesn't boil down to "does extra damage/allows you to do extra damage" yet or are chinks still not creative enough for more than that?
>>750753580>>750753580Yup, back in my day the Japanese as a whole, including all major corporations and the government itself were pro- petite and fertile anime girls.The industry shill would never admit that.
>>750753591It's just cope >I hate thing so it can't be popularEven though nips love genshin and it's one of the most cosplayed things ever. Besides who cares, it's not like tendie trannies didn't ban the last woh thread because it dared to have more people discussing it over their dead nintendo porn spam threads
>>750742747Because every other time modern gachas shape or retrofit their gacha model into the same character gacha/weapon gacha/ soft pity with 50/50 coinflip Genshin uses always results to be shit if not a direct downgrade, see picrel
I hope astrae oratio goes well. The designs in that game are really good, and aside from the shitty parryslop aspect of combat it looks really appealing
>>750753585>He claims to be an otaku.>Doesn't know how to use the JP eshop.Lol.
Was Stellar Sora that bad
>>750753638>either accept it or don't buy the gameand looked how that turned out. talk about failing upwards.
>>750753647Genshin is a game for censorship-happy faux ottaku. It checks out.
>>750753643I am currently playing NCSoft game. This game is going to get fucked beyond believe.
genshin has better shooter mechanics than COD, battlefield, or killzone with its new shooter game mode btw. only splatoon can keep up.
>>750753205Based and true
>>750753456>>750753536>>750753647>>750752706>>750752927Industry Shill Defence Force is not convincing anyone, kill yourself kike
>>750753618Of course, freeze anon which can as you guessed it freeze various enemies. Electro with its reaction with hydro makes AOE clears easier, anemo characters such as venti are great for crowd control too even if they’re not the meta anymore etc etc.What does Elden Ring have? Everything boils down to damage basically does it do anything like ANYTHING unique similar to Genshin? You can’t even freeze bosses in elden ring.
>>750753591when a series becomes so significant and memorable that china makes a knockoff
>>750753647this thread isn't about purity spiraling otaku. it's about discussing eastern AAA gaming. you come off as schizophrenic because your contributions to the conversation are irrelevant and random
>>750753620>>750753585>>750753372>>750752679TRVTH NVKE
>>750753643>weapon gachait's ded bro>>750753687>faux ottakua term for that already exists, it's "ironic weeb"
>>750753536At least post an example of bamcoslop if you are going to bring up cultural point into the argument, anon...
>>750753643>it looks really appealingYou aren't interested in playing a game because there isn't any game there, you're only interested in looking at character designs and artwork but you can do that for free on the internet
>>750753737>freeze anon which can as you guessed it freeze various enemiesit never works on enemies that matter, and the powercreep means everything weak enough to get frozen wont survive even the initial cryo hit>Electro with its reaction with hydro makes AOE clears easier,thats "does more damage">anemo characters such as venti are great for crowd control too even if they’re not the meta anymore etc etc.it never crowds control anything relevant, which means it also boils down "does more damage'
Everytime I see the term "westoid" being thrown around, it's almost always made by either a gacha shill apologist or a brown person from the Indian subcontinent. I think I'm onto something here.
>>750753748(You)
>>750753752>this thread isn't about purity spiraling otakulearning to import the jp versions is extremely basic stuff any basic entry level "weeb" has known how to do since the early 00s
>>750753793Will Astrae Oratio have environments where you can walk around as a character and view their 3D model from all sorts of angles, like hoyo games? Not having that is a big deterrent because as you said you can just appreciate a character design on the internet. Blue Archive is a good example.
>>750753754>>750753620>>750753505TOTALLY OWNED THAT INDUSTRY DEFENCE FORCE (idf, literally same abbreviation as israel's which is fitting)JAPAN HAS FALLEN
>>750753748>zelda invented gliding, walking through tall grass, putting a character hand on a magic sigil, and spinning a large swordHilarius, thanks for making my day.
>>750753861Hoyoslurpers really are the chink equivalent of blizzdrones lmao.Last time I saw these arguments nearly word for word is when they were defending WoW during it's initial decline era.
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