Even to this day they still do autobattler 2d shite
>>750742747Even if they make their own genshin, genshin still exists. Even the supposed genshin killers failed to capture the genshin audience
>>750742747Because unlike China, Japan makes real video games.
>>750742747China developed their mobile/pc games more because they don't have consoles
>>750742747Would Genshin be fun if it was single player running locally on your PC or do people play for other reasons?r. clueless
>>750743760>>750744025Genshin has better gameplay than every jrpg
>>750744269mighty bold claim
>>750743685I dont play chinkshit but it looks visually appealing enough. What do the other chinkshit knockoffs offer that it doesn't?
>>750742747Japs are too busy to make real games that will be remembered forever. They don't have time to make gachaslopThe only japs who are willing to degrade themselves by working on gachaslop are incompetent untalented hacks. Which is why Fgo looks the way it does.
>>750744025I haven't played Genshin more than a little, but gacha games are not MMOs, they convert pretty simply to a purely offline format given they are almost entirely single-player in the first placeAnyway gacha games can be fun for the story & characters, and they aren't as greedy as a lot of mobile games tend to be but the game part is always very basic. Personally i don't like open world gacha because they seem to focus more on wasting your time with bullshit, which is doubly irritating when the combat is already not very compelling.
>>750742747Because they have a real vidya industry. Why waste 100 million dollars on a gacha when you can make the next resident evil?
because japanese gacha devs are all very lazy or very incompetent, or usually bothjapanese devs with self-respect persist in developing real games instead of shifting to 100% gacha games. Like look at Hoyo which have like 10 games now but every last one of them is a gacha game.
>>750743760>>750744536>>750744590>>750744632Too obvious
japs treat gacha exactly like they do pachinko. it's just jangling keys that distract you while you gamble. they don't put effort into making it play like a real game because they don't see them as real games.
>>750742747Why spend the effort making an actual game when goys will spend bucks on 2D flash games?
>>750742747They would not have the budget and resources to make even a single region similar to Natlan with its saurus exploration mechanics and puzzles unironically. And thats just one region.They would've long made it if they had the cash now genshin is just too big to compete with it.
>>750742747They can. They just choose not to.Why spend 4+ years to try and do something ambitious like genshin (that is still already an established game with a huge fanbase that will continue to pay and play no matter hot much they get fucked in the ass by dawei) that MIGHT work and catch on. When they can just shit out a low effort auto battler with chibi sprites in a year or less and hope some whales get hooked multiply their investment by a factor of 10
>>750742747Because Japanese developers dont get mega-corporation money.They literally explained it was always a money issue.
Why are you suggesting that the japanese should ditch real games in favor of overpriced and sanitized digital theme parks?
FGO probably murdered any chance of a decent jp gacha to be created
>>750747478FGO is far better than G*nshin. Yes the bar is that low.
>>750747520I kinda hate bothgacha games should be more like trickcal
>>750743760>Japan makes real video gamesYeah like pachinko
>>750742747The chinks specced into f2p MMO's and early mobile gaming so they got this shit figured out. While japs make traditional gamed which is a buy to play, chinks went the other way of f2p but pay to win, incentives of daily quests and seasonscome and go to maintain populatios but those games are meant to cater to whales to play out their power fantasy of killing f2players. When japs first popularized gacha with fate they never did go all in with that and stuck to their ways, same devs tried to do their own shir but FGO id ultimately carried by its charaters and artists. It was up the chinks with their mastery of f2p MMO's and mobile gaming to push the envelope and make genshin impact, borrowing from breath of the wild but turning it f2p
>>750742747All the Jap companies are run by boomers who absolutely refuse to do anything new/different. That's why japan is now behind in basically everything.
>>750742747why would a nation with actually good financial sense for vidya get into the meme format of AAAslop budgets for a motherfucking phone live service game? they can just continue making real games insteadthe real question is when chinks are going to start making real games that aren't just cheap reskins of something FROMslop already did better
>Japan is legally allowed to make genshin but with actually sexy designs.>They just don't because they hate money for some reason.
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>>750747808anon, even with the massively skewed "estimates" being in the favor of chinkoids, every single month in the revenue charts JP gacha like FGO and uma musume routinely go head to head against billion dollar gacha like hoyoslop in terms of revenueand those are games that borderline are solodev tier in terms of budgets compared to the literal millions hoyo pours on each patch of each of their gamesin terms of raw profits japan wins in the gacha category by a landslide and it's not even close all youre saying is chinks have spent their entire gaming history honing their f2p mobileslop craft to the best it can be, and they still lost against japan whose gacha industry is the equivalent of a mangaka getting piss drunk, drawing a porn doujin, and it somehow making similar profits to the entire million dollar CCP comic industry that month
>>750747983you know its true the japs themselves are frequently discussing what would it take to make something as massive as genshin etc. Well you can't make something on the scale of genshin immediately it took years for genshin to get to where it is now in terms of content. Granblue relink had that potential if it were live service but well cygames make enough money without caring about actual games anyway.
>>750748073And what carries FGO and Ume Musume? Is it mechanics of the gameplay that makes the players engrossed to spent their hard own mone? At least in chink gachas their improved at the fundamentals and it's not just turn-based jpegs like FGO or rng horse raising sith Uma Musume. Gacha games ultimately revolve around the characters it creates so by your estimation because FGO & Uma Musume are the top earners means their the best gacha? Well by that logic jps have no reason to push to innovate more that jpegs are enough
>>750748191>you know its true the japs themselves are frequently discussing what would it take to make something as massive as genshin etc.99% of the time it's AA and single A devs saying the equivalent of "yeah we can't do AAA development, duh".The other 1% was nagoshi coping the chinks didn't give him genshit tier money to waste on JAV whores and plastic surgery.
>>750744367I agree with him although in some ways KH2 is better obviously. SE could make a crazy good gacha with KH2 gameplay lol. Instead they'll make trash forever though.
>>750748223>And what carries FGO and Ume Musume? Is it mechanics of the gameplay that makes the players engrossed to spent their hard own mone?The idea that chinkoids unironically think gacha gameplay is somehow deep is comical.>At least in chink gachas their improved at the fundamentals and it's not just turn-based jpegs like FGO or rng horse raising sith Uma Musume.The problem is that's just admitting chinks were too dumb to compete in the complexity of turn based gameplay and decided to run with the tail between their legs to action gameplay.Place where they lose too because they have nothing but "press X to awesome" slop and have nothing that even comes close to godhand, DMC, KH or ninja gaiden, they don't even have anything that compares to early FROMslop like DS2, chinkslop is THAT bad.>Gacha games ultimately revolve around the characters it creates so by your estimation because FGO & Uma Musume are the top earners means their the best gacha?Yes.You don't get to run away from constantly using the argument of "chink gacha makes more money therefore they are better than japan" only to hide like a bitch from it when the covid bubble deflated and the market normalized.>Well by that logic jps have no reason to push to innovate more that jpegs are enoughThere's no point in "innovating" gacha or GAAS slop when they are inherently cheap cash grabs, any dev that can "innovate" in this space is just making real games instead.Japan is seemingly the only smart nation due to understanding this and not wasting billions making literal phone games.
>>750742747Gacha games that are watered down games are inferior to autobattlers, if I wanted real gameplay I'd play a real game not this lobotomite 3 button shit
>>750747983This has been debunked.
>>750748439we've now came from "gachas have no gameplay" to "actually the gachas with no gameplay are better", kek
>>750742747Why should japan spend the time making a blockbuster with long term financial gains when they can make a shitty licensed IP game that no one cares about?
>>750748450>Using a literal trailer as example.What's funny is the money hoyo spent on this trailer alone is far more than some AA JP studios have spend in their entire lifespan since the 90s.>>750748515Turns out people don't appreciate time black holes in the form of phone games.The time investment per day some gacha ask for, especially hoyoslop, is fucking absurd.
Japan fell off. They're losing the cultural export market to Korea and China now, in games, comics, music, and soon anime.This is mainly due to them being retarded isolationalists that don't know or care for anything not Japanese.
>>750748526he says, while slop like ZZZ keeps being a financial money furnace for hoyo from how poorly it keeps flopping despite multiple relaunches and even among chinkoid cultists the only characters in ZZZ people ever care about were those that were designed early into the game's lifespan, anything including and past the CCP mandated chinkwank zone may as well not exist
>>750748538It's from ingame cutscenes. Your argument is invalid.
>>750748580i legit can't even remember the last relevant chink gooks did, even if you count gachaBA? that's fucking dead on the water after the literal EA nigger became the CEO of the company and raped the gacha system
>>750742747Because Japan is absolutely fucking incompetent when it comes to developing any software. They are incapable of making any good games because of that. They can come up with a good plot, but not gameplay.
>>750748585ZZZ still make millions of dollars every month, what do you mean
>>750742747Japanese can't into majority of the game genres.
>>750748646While burning dozens of millions of dollars every month.It's kept afloat by shart rail and genshit money.
>>750742747>why don't they do thisCN and SK's approach to gacha is a complete opposite to JPJP puts out very low effort, cheap as fuck gachas that don't take much time or effort to release new content for. This makes their profit margins exceedingly easy to hit and go beyond. It makes their gachas very efficient, even if they're shit and only work because JP salarymen are drones.Genshin, and all of it's more high effort clones, works through the much newer and volatile live service model where you pour a significant amount of resources and upkeep into the gacha in hopes it will be met with even more profit in return because yours has gameplay, better graphics and is more appealing.It's much higher risk though, and for every genshin there are dozens of flops that have died costing hundreds of millions.No shit JP doesn't attempt it when their current gachas are low risk and sustainable cash cows, and they also have fuck all experience with expansive gachas, with attempts like Tribe Nine showing they have no clue what makes people spend on characters and no clue how to monetise or advertise either. They are just completely behind.
>I'm only having fun if the company dupes normalfags into spending money through insidious psychological dark patterns.Genshitters ITT:
>>750742747You'd think by now JP would have made a 3D Fate clone of genshin and raked in billions but.. they just don't feel like it?
>>750743760Real like western inspired turds, snoozefest turnbased Jrpg (often damakes), or low budget 6/10 games now with added censored panties or yet another garbage rhythm game. At least Citadel duology still exists otherwise they would have zero games. I got bored of Yakuzas long time ago., and their fighting games are really stale. Mech games as genre is pretty much dead outside one title every 2-3 years.
>>750744025>do people play for other reasons?Genshin and others like it are basically the equivalent to long running never ending anime/drama series at this point.
>>750748735>even if they're shit and only work because JP salarymen are drones.They are literal phone games people play in 10 minute intervals at the office or the toilet anon (actual commute time is taken by the switch 1 or 2).They also tend to have officially written, if questionably canon, content of whatever random series they like, for the average money spent it's about on par with buying the weekly manga magazine to read it, less if they just do F2P.
>>750742747Because only faggots enjoy this type of gameplay.
>>750748073You're retarded because those estimates are not counting Chinese domestic markets, consoles and PC. Literally just mobile game to mobile game comparison. You're retarded if you think the chinks are making similar money to the japanese.
>>750748862>I got bored of Yakuzas long time ago.have you tried playing more than the literal jp equivalent of cawadootythough maybe asscreed would be a better parallel?
>>750748913nigga the people making the "estimates" not only have said they include those, they also said they include nearly a x10 or so multiplier for chinkslop and that's before the android multiplier estimate on the site itself>You're retarded if you think the chinks are making similar money to the japanese.im aware, they make worse money for higher budgets
>>750742747Japs can't handle it. Look at Manjuu a Chinese company that escape from China to make gachas in Japan. Their latest genshin like is doa before release.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH_VwR-gnK8
>>750748346Yeah you are mentally ill and a real FGO Stockholm Syndrome gamer in wild is crazy.
>>750749078>delayed global releaseThey're basically sabotaging their own game. If they won't let me play on the JP server at least I'm simply not playing this game.
>>750748223>And what carries FGOSunk cost>and Ume MusumeCygays are the only nips who are jewish
>>750748935Yeah I did I'm just playing Anomalith and it gave me nightmare at night after playing it for 6h straight. I'm over halway done with that mediocre and one of the worst designed and balanced game I have ever seen. I want to slap every nip dev in the face for making me replay same dogshit sewers level with ultra long running to the door sequence without skipping it, those assholes even prolonged the route to stairs by forcing me to find some crappy floating corrupted data to unlock three road blockades.
>>750742747My guess is competition. Best to stay in the comfortzone and minimize bankruptcy.
>>750749397Such methodology lead to bankruptcy of few dozens Visual Novel devs. And it's already starting happening to their gacha turds.
>>750744452I'd say that people just aren't interested in playing new games that are fundamentally identical to ones they already play, but i guess that explanation doesn't work with gotcha games considering most people who play one also play like ten others every single day.
>>750749397About that
>>750749630>Such methodology lead to bankruptcy of few dozens Visual Novel devs.no, that was thanks to sony killing the vita and trying to kill the entire JP vidya industry along with itthe VN industry only really survived because of the switch thanks to this, especially with steam banning shit at random
Japan's last true big budget gacha (Tribe Nine) flopped so horribly investors all got scared and ran.
>>750749792All gachaslop is reaching a breaking point, even BA had historical lows in terms of revenue, why single out japan?
>>750742747It's easy. Anyone with a braincell knows it's unsustainable to anyone except mihoyo. The same way anyone retarded enough to still plays FGO knows if someone was to make FGO clone it would sell like shit and doa almost immediately.
>>750742747But they made botw
>>750749825Most of your arguments are a total bs, Vita completely flopped so it had no effect on VN genre, Switch helped a lot due decline of PC VN revenue however it's mostly all ages VNs or censored moeges, while Steam always been irrelevant nips never used it till very recently, vast majority of VN devs never used it, they still love their untranslated physical boxes located at local shops or shipped through mail or being set on prepurchase on dlsite.
