what went so right? will there ever be another game as perfect as TOME?
>>750732762I just pressed random shit, cleared 3-4 areas and then spontaneously died. Need to retry it some day.
>>750732762>what went so right?Playable skeleton race
>>750732762I tried this shit and was bored to tears. What's the appeal? I've played Rift Wizard 2, Path of Achra, Infra Arcana, and Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup, and all of those were WAYY more interesting.
>>750735434normal difficulty involves a lot of mindless mob clearing, but on nightmare difficulty or higher the enemies you encounter are a lot more interesting. at that point things become tactically rich, and you have to manage cooldowns, debuffs, positioning, etc in a layered way that the games you mention (which are also good) don't do.
>>750732762I hope that goofy frog gets over his mental issues and finishes the next couple expansions
>>750732762haven't played in years but I remember managing to clear insane rl on like 10 classespretty good timesdoes get a bit repetitive though
I'd like it if it didn't crash all the time
>>750735863one of the expansions was supposed to be done by a different person entirely, whatever happened to that? maybe he can't do it without darkgod in some capacity
Necromancer class is fun, need to try winning as possesser, any tips?
>>750736040Not sure since I haven't seen any news about it/him for at least a few years now
>>750732762>have game for free for years>put it on steam>haha ummmm lolz okay so I HAVE to charge money mmmkay???? I HAVE to since Steam won't let me put a free base game out and change for expansions. I'm so sorry!!!!!!Fuck the faggot[I still think it's a great game/spoiler]>>750735434only played DC:SS out of those and ToME 4 is more autism based around 'more spreadsheets' for me. It's also more 'specific' in terms of you can build a character from the start more accurately like NetHack does. DC:SS is more open and can let you have your MiFi worship Sif and have her giving you a bunch of spells to become 'I am the melee caster bull now'
>>750736130>>750736040>>750735863anons, he's retiredhe openly said he made like 10 million and is done
>>750738885he recently returned to the discord. the expansion is coming bros.
>>750732762How to play this on controller? I have an ROG Ally that I installed SteamOS onto, so that means I cannot play without controller controls.
>>750732762update when?
>>750739125Anon he's done
>>750740225i dont see lost land dlc on steam
>>750740225do not spread lies on /v/ the expansion is coming bros
>>750732762It's britty gud
>>750732762I prefer DCSS
dark god more like gay loser lmao
>>750732762I love this game so much, and I'm not even a roguelike guy. There's something about it that feels so quaint and simple at first and then you hit the overworld and it's like your own personal Lord of the Rings unfolding
>>750732762Anybody on here actually do the max difficulty one life? Seems fucking insane.
>>750732762Tome has a few tracks hidden in it that I really like as background music.It has its niche and in that niche it has HEAPS of content classes and so on
tome was supposed to be a Middle Earth game but he didn't wanna pay a licensing fee so it ain't a Middle Earth game. the soul comes from how the guy just throws stuff in to the game, all sorts of shit he comes up with it's real kitchen sink development, and whether it's good or sucks a huge dick he leaves it in. game can be wild
>>750741516what shitstorm?
>>750744873Trannisms
>>750744891really?
>>750744873the php vulnerability stuff
>>750741516this will be ready in 2035
>>750744990oh
>>750744858"tome" is ToME4It WAS Tales of Middle Earth until tome2When copyright and shit started cracking down on free software.All of band games are lotr based as well.What a weird way to try to frame how this was a lotr fan game like many other roguelikes and became its own thing.
>>750744858>>750745135You both mean angand
>>750745463>All of band games are lotr based as well.What do you think this means?And angband is based on the dungeons of moria dipshit
>>750745495And in itself moira was based on RogueAnon, it wasn't LotR
>>750732762I love the class design of this game so much. So many unique concepts and mechanics. Paradox Mage with its literal time travel mechanics, Solipsist with the dream duel, Writhing One straight out of Cthulhu, and so on. Although some of the classes are blatant ripoffs of World of Warcraft.
>>750745604Yup yup yupLots or Tolkien's works has shit like uh... big worms
>>750745645>Although some of the classes are blatant ripoffs of World of Warcraft.The classes take a lot from angband's classes....which is uh... from the 90s and a lot older than wowblizzard took a lot from roguelikes.
>>75074576780% of Sun Paladin's abilities are straight copies of WoW Holy/Prot/Ret Paladin spells.Shadowblade too. Shadowstep, Shadow Dance, etc.
I've gotten really far with Dwarf Beserk, Elf Archer and Human Bulwark especially (Darth turned into a cloudy city with lightning storms attacking the people and I). However, I don't have all classes.
Trust, two expansions soon!
>>750741516>Darkgod alive>Qud expansion coming in December>Tarn delayed the myth and magic update but itz still coming soon>Biskup is still supposedly going to be updating ADOM at some point ever since he got the rights back (the fuck)>Jupiter Hell Classic is.... Kind of being rushed out because nobody bought it because he fumbled the ball by confusing everyone and it probably won't be a sovlfvl as DRL and not as well refined or good as Jupiter Hell but it's still pretty fun anywayOh yeah, it's all coming together
>>750732762I haven't beaten the game onceI've only ever made it to the other continent twicevery good game
>>750732762How do I make this game not look like blurry shit?
>>750746180Why not just play on infinite life mode?
>>750747934Why not just mod your games to be invincible all the time?Why not just watch a video of someone beating the game?Why not just imagine beating the game?Why not say you played and beat it despite never having touched it?
>>750747981so you only play on hardcore?very impressive
>>750748061>hardcore?You mean Roguelike difficulty?The default difficulty of the game?The intended difficulty of the game?The literal point of the genre?Yes anon, that is the ONLY difficulty I have ever played the game on and to play on any other is pointless.Did you really just ask if people actually play on roguelike in a thread about roguelikes?
>>750748089>The default difficulty of the game?NTA but HACKSCHEWALLY by default it goes to adventure mode so you get a few lives to play around with since ToME tends to suddenly spring one hit killers on you out of nowhere
>>750736270Retard. ToME stayed free, the steam version is basically the donator version that lets you get the premium content and the expansions without having to mess with his crusty site and its donation system
>>750747934i'm that anon, I like the tension in roguelike a lot more, the dopamine rush from actually reaching the latter parts of the game that one time was crazy
>>750748131It only does that so plebs aren't instantly filtered, once you know which spots are scary you can play more careful. I won on Insane Roguelike but it would never work on a blind run.
>>750735434It has a fun class/skill system and mmo style cooldowns so its really fun in the beginning but the more you play it you realize it's a really shallow game. The items and enemies are really boring and the world is stupid. Nobody who is really into roguelikes plays TOME as their main game.
>>750735964>insane rl on like 10 classesI don't remember name for highest difficulty but if this is insane, then I call bullshit. Highest difficulty is beyond difficult, only classes like mage with blink and scrying eye can hope to beat it but even then chances are close to none because random boss can spawn with something mage won't be able to handle.
>>750751453Insane is the highest difficulty meant to be playable. Madness is the highest difficulty but it's only winnable through extreme luck or cheated/modded adventurer builds.
>>750732762DCSS is superior
>>750751880>MadnessYeah, that's the name. Fun but indeed bullshit, couldn't even leave first continent
>>750732762It's close to how path of exile hardcore plays. You get giga powers very fast and start mowing down rooms. Getting lost in almost meditative zone out gameplay. Until randomly exploding from a mob or mechanic.
I love this game, it's awesome to be a Skeleton Brawler
ROGUE clones are so fucking dumb and retarded, how did these backpedalling simulators ever find a cult following? They're literally proto-vampire survivors clones.>Yes hello I'd like an RPG without any dialogue, character, narrative, interesting encounter design, nor deliberate building choices. Yes heavy on the procgen sloppa, please. Statements dreamt up by the absolutely deranged.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ5lDDL9GP4>Luv me Lovecraft>Cultist and writhing one are meh and boring to playMisery
>>750752712Cultist is fun though
>>750752689You are dumb, no offence
>>750752689>RPGDungeon crawler.
>>750752689You're ignorant. Roguelikes are one of the deepest strategy genres in existence.
>>750752832That's a subgenre and both roguelikes and dungeon crawls are in the RPG genre.
>>750752935It's more RNG than strategy.
What went so right was it standing on the shoulders of giants, and being part of a community of games that would innovate for the sake of bettering the game and expect no reward. Traditional roguelikes have always been made the way all games should be made, with that passion, and they had years and years as Tales of Middle Earth to work toward their final form that way.
>>750752832I wouldn't even call Rogue and its derivatives like DCSS a dungeon crawler, SMT is a dungeon crawler, Roguelikes are made for zoning out mass combat where you either hold forward until you die or you hold back+strongest spell until you die.
>>750753206nope
>>750753291Roguelikes are for literally the opposite of that, what the hell?
>>750753291if you zone out in a real roguelike you die.
I think it says something when modern roguelikes automate picking up and identifying items. It's a mechanic nobody likes.
>>750753431nah I love the id mini game
>>750753353Are we even talking about the same genre? Into midgame these games start packing floors wall to wall with enemies it's the antithesis of methodical gameplay
>>750753510Pic unrelated I just didnt have any pics
>>750753510You kite into a tunnel then handle them one at a time like always, my dude.
>>750753510>Are we even talking about the same genre?No I don't think we are. Most roguelikes do not devolve into floor wide mass enemies or "hold forward until you die" They are very slow and chess like with many options to consider.
>>750733061Sounds like the way I used to play it, on permadeath difficulty and with little to no lessons learned with reach attempt of course.
>>750746180>1000 hours>haven't beaten the game oncejust… HOW? it means you dont even have insane or madness unlocked and nightmare is really not that hard
>>750755628Must be the type of person who thinks success in roguelikes is based on RNG instead of tsctics
>>750732762
>>750752689ToME is deliberate building choices: the game.
>>750732762i love the press button to awesome and modern itemization.but i understand why a lot of core traditional rogue fans will think its bloated slop. some of us just need more stimulation than bumping into Bat. with Sword. plus 1.
'ate healing'ate being forced to get anti heal shit
>>750746284CRT filter in magpie or lossless scaling.
>>750732762it's amazing how the dev managed to make a game so god damn BORING. absolutely uncanny.played, dunno, halfway through the prides and it just never got better at any point. even the interesting character classes are so fucking BORING to play i can't even
>>750755628>>750755953Are you save scumming maybe?
>>750746180how is that even possible. even if it was your first game ever, you would've learnt mostly everything about the game by now and could respond to situations accordingly.
>>750758350no? you really think an average player has 0 wins at 1000 hours?
