>Despite the massive push on switch 2 it flopped bigly over thereDamn not even tendies want this turdWhat else can Square do to save it?At this rate Part 3 will open with less than 500k in one week
>>750705653Maybe they shouldn't have turned Final Fantasy VII into a Bollywood musical.
>>750705653>What else can Square do to save it?Their best option is to just finish the trilogy and learn from Resonance. They've known since fucking Bravely Default that people aren't interested in nu-FF and want the old school feel back. If they were a competent company they'd fire everyone who greenlit the FF13 series and beyond.
>>750705797>Their best option is to just finish the trilogy and learn from Resonance.Resonance didn't get a sales announcement either though. Learning from Resonance wont help them sell more. It might even cause them to sell less, we just don't know.
>>750705653this is kind of pathetic
>>750705713Honestly sales thread aren't necessarily a bad thing if people actually used it as a way to talk about the direction of specific genre's, trends, and other audience interests but /v/ is so low IQ that it's actually the worst possible discussion on this board by far and is just a shitposting dick measuring contest
>>750705874This graph demonstrates that there are almost 2 million people who are going to buy anything with the name "Final Fantasy VII" on it, forever, no matter what it is.
>>750705914>but /v/ is so low IQ that it's actually the worst possible discussion on this boardHave you seen what happens when you try to actually talk about Final Fantasy? Suddenly you're some named schizo who has been posting for decades or you're some Twitter account or some YouTuber. With Final Fantasy specifically, trying to actually talk about video games is probably the least productive conversation to have.
>>750706029>Have you seen what happens when you try to actually talk about Final Fantasy?The rare FF Tactics threads always seem to go well
>>750705873Resonance can sell half as much as FF7R and still make profit because the budget is insanely low by comparison. That's more what I meant. The entire industry needs to figure out that you don't need 200+ million dollar budget games to be successful.
>>750705653>release ff7re>remakes tend to sell good by nostalgia only,follow ups, even new entries always sell way worse(see crash etc)>new one ps5 exclusive when most people were still on ps4>lots of bad faith discussions about the game going around>game releases on pc and later switch 2/xbox>a lot of the bad faith discussions gave people the idea its fucking shit so nobody picked it up on other hardwareI just picked it up on sw2 for like 22,- and I'm pretty shocked how great it is. I also dont get how HLTB lists it as a. 80 to 120 hour game when I'm 30 hours in and at chapter 10 out of 14 and I did close to everything.
>>750706201I got FF7R super late and only because the first 2 games were bundled in a sale. The game is fantastic but they really fucked themselves splitting it into a trilogy. If it was delayed to come out as 1 huge game it would easily win GOTY in 2027.
>>750706201>>a lot of the bad faith discussions gave people the idea its fucking shit so nobody picked it up on other hardwareRebirth is a very interesting game because, no matter when you look at the Steam reviews, the most popular Steam review of the past 30 days is *ALWAYS* a negative Steam review with dozens of updoots on it, sometimes hundreds, and they all say exactly the same thing - that the game is bloated choreslop. I've never seen anything quite like it.
>>750706541>that the game is bloated choreslop. I've never seen anything quite like it.fortune's weave out of nowhere
>>750706201>muh bad faith discussionsThe majority of people buying games don't give a shit what people on the internet have to say about it.
>>750706541>that the game is bloated choreslopOptional content isn't bloat. It's not mandatory. I skipped every side mission and minigame I didn't find interesting and never felt like I was bored.
Square should have died before the turn of the century. Fuck every one of (You) niggers that boughted FFX.
Who the fuck cares about remakes? Just play the original. I won't buy oot either.
>>750706615I had to google what you were even talking about. You're beyond obsessed. >>750706651It's the most universal complaint contained within the ever growing amount of negative rebirth reviews.
>>750706201>80 to 120 hour game when I'm 30 hours in and at chapter 10 out of 14 and I did close to everything.You didn't do close to everything in Rebirth if you're only 30 hours in on chapter 10.Or are you talking about the completionist time for FF7 Remake? That's based on doing NG+ since there's new stuff added there.FF7 Remake's length isn't necessarily a problem the way it is for Rebirth IMO (I do think they should have cut the Leslie chapter and the revisiting Sector 7 chapter, and made the former into an optional sidequest instead. oh and cut down the train graveyard back to the original pacing, what a terrible place in the game to bloat given how much urgency there is there.)But discussions on Rebirth are not bad faith. If you're going to do an open world, you're going to be judged on the quality of your open world, and Rebirth's open world was piss poor by genre standards. And that says something considering how tedious and menial many open world games are.All of that culminating into such a shitty fucking ending that leaves no one satisfied It's not hard to see why Rebirth is so controversial outside of the game journos rating it 10/10 for some reason.>>750706651If you don't do your chores, Chadley won't award you your allowance, which means you can't get the most interesting materia in the game.Also, if you don't do your chores, Chadley won't let you complete a handful of sidequests regarding other characters you might have liked, like Broden or Kyrie.Saying Rebirth's side content is optional is true, but It's strongly encouraged that you do them, which is why every every Tom, Dick, and Harry who plays the game complains about the awful sidequests.It's also, y'know, and open world game, so people are going to try and explore the open world.If FF7 Rebirth didn't simulataneously make the open world feel like such an obligation and yet such a chore, every swinging dick wouldn't complain about It's side content.
>>750706730And I'm telling you as someone who played both parts they're full of shit. Some people legitimately can't stop themselves from treating games like a check list.
>>750706936>Some people legitimately can't stop themselves from treating games like a check list.The game literally gives you a fucking checklist and tells you to fill it out otherwise Chadley won't let you use half the interesting materia in the game.
>>750706936You can't just dismissed hundreds/thousands of people all making the exact same complaint. You've never considered that you're the delusional one here, but that's the truth.
>>750706730>I had to google what you were even talking about.Your fault for not knowing a major nintendo franchise's latest game which released ONE month ago
>>750708064Okay, yeah, my bad. Why are you so obsessed with it though?
>>750708178because it's choreslop. why are you obsessed with rebirth?
>>750708375The conversation was about Rebirth, anon.
>>750705653In what universe is selling 4+ million copies a 'flop'?
>>750708453The one where the game cost $120m to make and the only times it ever sold any copies outside of its initial release is when the came is literally $15.
>>750705653Maybe because Rebirth was such a shit game that word of mouth completely killed it's momentum like Monster Hunter Wilds. Not my problem though, I hope Square Enix finally dies so that they stop making shit JRPGs
>>750705653Retarded click bait post for people that are to dumb and belive everytjing.OP mabye you should say that your FF7 Rebirth Number is outdated about 2 years.....try harder Bitch.
>>750706987You don't need it to beat the game. If you're doing it for the materia that means you enjoy the content.>>750707007Millions of flies eat shit etc etc
>>750709238>If I'm doing my chores to get my allowance that means I like the chores and not what I'm spending my allowance on.Is this bait?
>>750709309>pretending not to udnerstandConversation over. I'll go back to enjoying my game.
>>750705653Rebirth is still the better game though
>>750709309You're talking to retarded faggots that will keep praising Rebirth no matter what and will shill it in every thread they can. Even that faggot that said he bought it on Switch 2 probably also bought it on piss5 and is doing damage control.
>>750709361Not pretending anything. It's more embarrassing for you that you're 100% serious and that you weren't baiting me.
Square Enix sales analysis board when
>>750705914Sometimes it's just devs themselves to remain relevant. These days only FF sales attract enough engagement and right now it's easier to compete against a game divided in 3 that needed 10 years to be complete.
>>750709585I want to laugh at Square Enix constant failures.
>>750709652Damn did their past games bully your favorite games this much in the past?
>>750706541>bloated choreslop>Crimson Desert existsNow you understand people will hate Final Fantasy just by virtue of it having the Final Fantasy name. They will not care about how well made the game is, how well it plays, how well the production is behind it; they will hate it simply because it is called "final Fantasy".Oh and Final Fantasy XVI was a chore to get through not because of bloat, but because you'd play the game for 5 seconds and then get hit with 20 minute cutscenes.
>>750709652Between this and switch 2 emulator it was a great week
>>750709728Yeah they keep ruining Final Fantasies and Square-Enix keeps shitting on Squaresoft's legacy over and over.
>>750706541Sounds like almost every gacha I've ever played
>>750709802>b-b-but what about!I didn't play Crimson Desert. >>750709824Yeah, the similarities to an MMO or gacha are striking.
>>750706541>Now you understand people will hate Final Fantasy just by virtue of it having the Final Fantasy name. They will not care about how well made the game is, how well it plays, how well the production is behind it; they will hate it simply because it is called "final Fantasy".Just compare FF7 remake on Steam to Rebirth and see how well the former is received compared to the latter. Rebirth schizos need to understand that Rebirth is a shit open-world JRPG and JRPG fans didn't like it.
>>750706905>cries about not getting the most powerful things because their optional>claims to have played the OG FF7>doesn't seem bothered by the hours and hours of tedium that is chocobo breeding to get most of the powerful stuff/interesting materiaYep, he's retarded.
>>750710036Forgot to add the reply to this dumb nigger >>750709802
>>750710036meant for >>750709802You are correct though. Even if Remake kinda botched FF7 a bit with the time jannies, it still felt like a FF game. Rebirth is just some bloated openworld Ubisoft dogshit. I've seen multiple Steam reviews saying that they forgot they were playing a Final Fantasy game.
>>750708489And yet you'll sit here and call Wolverine a successful and well made game
>>750706541>weapon upgrade system is far worse than intergradeI'm surprised this is something I never see people talk about.The folio system being garbage was one of my least favorite things about rebirth. If Chadley's chore checklist didn't exist, It'd probably be my least favorite thing.I could go multiple regions in a row without upgrading my folios and not see a difference because they're so insignificant, and you get so little SP to spend, anyways (a lot of it is locked behind, you guessed it, Chadley's chores).>>750709802>Crimson Desert existsCrimson Desert isn't great, but it at least has an open world philosophy that's better than Rebirth's.Exploring It's world I can actually come across puzzles and dungeons on my own, not just "scan the 15th lifestream spring" and "uhhhhh, climb this tower, please?"
>>750710128Uhh... no? What the fuck is with Final Fantasy fans and crying about Fire Emblem or Persona or Crimson Desert or fucking Wolverine now?
>>750710183who's talking about fire emblem outside of the context that modern jrpg design has unfortunately adopted a lot of busywork to pad playtime again?
>>750710279>who's talking about fire emblemsee >>750706615You guys just scream and deflect to other games instead of having the conversation at hand.
Bait thread.We already know both Remake and Rebirth sold 6M+ and E33 flopped.
>>750709947>>750710036I mean good you didn't play Crimson Desert but crying about "optional" things to do in a game and saying it's "bloat" just outs you as an adderall junkie and an ADHD sped.As far as the "shit open world" aspect of things Square was giving everyone what they wanted. They wanted a big open world to explore. Square can't help it that most zoomers (like you) are hopped up on ritalin and adderall and need constant feedback to feel engaged and important. Sad really.
>>750710056>Intrinsic reward>Extrinsic rewardThere's a massive difference between>Places you need to do optional side content to accessand>Chadley arbitrarily rewards you your allowance you can spend in his shop based on how many chores you did for himNot to mention, my first playthrough FF7 I didn't fucking do Chocobo breeding because I didn't play through the game with a strategy guide in front of me, or, unlike you, I'm not a zoomer who grew up watching my favorite youtuber 100% the game in a Lets Play.I played through it blind and never knew Knights of the Round or Quadra Magic existed.And that's not even getting into the fact that getting a Gold Chocobo in FF7 takes LESS TIME than it takes to do world intel in any single region of FF7 Rebirth.So what the fuck point are you trying to make? If Chocobo breeding is long and tedious, but it takes twice that amount of time to do world intel PER REGION, what does that say about Rebirth's bloated chore checklist?
>>750710394E33 didn't flop, but it shows that modern gamers are fucking retarded. Pragmata has only sold around 3 million, which is a fucking travesty but some turn based dark souls slop that fumbled hard after act 1 sells over 8 million? Gamers deserve the shit they get.
>>750710882keep seething faggot
>>750710351>outside of the context that modern jrpg design has unfortunately adopted a lot of busywork to pad playtime againlooks like you can't read
>>750710696>but crying about "optional" things to do in a game and saying it's "bloat" just outs you as an adderall junkie and an ADHD sped.If the optional things are bad and gives me new items then make the optional things good. This is the lesson Square should learn with open world slop shit if they want to keep going into that direction.>As far as the "shit open world" aspect of things Square was giving everyone what they wanted.Clearly not when so many are complaining about the fucking open world, retard.>Square can't help it that most zoomers (like you) are hopped up on ritalin and adderall and need constant feedback to feel engaged and important. Sad really.Zoomers barely play Final Fantasy and the 7 remakes are for washed up millennials like (You) that can't handle the fact that the game(s) are flawed in some or even several ways like Rebirth, and you are here seething about it by spastically mentioning every other game as a way to defend it. This is why so many anons here mock you retards.
>>750710858>Getting a gold chocobo takes less time thanYep. Never played the original and you're just larping at this point in time, faggot. Unless you mean you beat Ruby weapon (an optional boss that you have to be pretty much max level to beat and do it with gimmicks), chocobo breeding takes a pretty good god damn long time.Again it's all optional content, zoomer. If you do not have the attention span to 100% a game, then don't 100% a game. Everything you're bitching about comes with the territory of getting that 100% achievement rate.Are you mad that you can't get that? Sounds like more ego than anything.
>>750710924I'll enjoy your own seethe when I'm enjoying Revelation :'D
>>750705653Understandable. A lot of people didn't like what Part 1 did.
>>750705653>FlamewarNah that's a Sage and reported from me, dawg.
>>750711056You're a retard who never played FF7.Breeding for a Gold Chocobo should only take you a couple of hours.Again, less time than doing all the world intel in any given region of FF7 Rebirth.Less time than it takes to do Kyrie's final sidequest (And that doesn't even give you a cool materia or new way to traverse the world map).If you can't even get this basic fact straight, why am I having a back and forth with you?It's not an opinion. It's a fact that I'm stating right now.
>>750711027>Then make the optional things goodSuch as what? I'd love to know how you'd change Rebirth's optional content. I'm dying to hear this.>Gets open world, complains about open worldI mean sounds retarded. Again how would you have designed the open world to appease the 20 players on steam giving it a negative review?>Cries about millenialsFlawed is fine but outright lying about things is not. You've not named flaws. You're turning nit picks into a checklist of power point presentations in a way HR would be proud of you, faggot.
>>750711270>Breeding a chocobo should take you a couple of hoursBut....you have to get to a certain point in the game, meaning that "couple of hours" comes after you spend 30 to 35 hours to get to that point. That's bloat dog. I should be able to get a gold chocobo instantly and not put ANY work into it at all, dawg.The fact is you're an addrall ridden zoomie who demands instant gratification without working for it. ITs' fine that you are, but don't call a game bad because it doesn't give you what you want when you demand it like a toddler.
>>750705653Waiting for SE to smash the three bloated games into 1, remove all the trash and streamline the main story, pack it in 80GB and put it out at a reasonable price. Then I will play your game (never).
>>750711271>Cries about millenialsNTA but you were the one that started crying about zoomers, though?
>>750710351>scream and deflecttalking about how the problems rebirth has are commonplace is neither of these things, projecting this much about another game, especially one that's actually relevant because it came out a month ago, just being mentioned is genuinely insane
>>750711471>you have to get to a certain point in the game, meaning that "couple of hours" comes after you spend 30 to 35 hours to get to that pointOh, so you switched from being genuinely retarded, to baiting to cover up the fact that you are genuinely retarded.Okay then. So in Rebirth it takes 50 hours to do, say, Beneath Still Waters, because It's 49 hours to get there, and an hour to do it.Fucking retard. I'm not giving (You) another response.
What drives demake fags to be so insanely schizophrenic about their shit video game?
>>750711725You began arguing in bad faith, nigger zoomie, when you said Kyrie's final quest takes 5 to 10 hours to complete when you have to literally fight THREE fucking creatures to finish the quest which would take all of 10 fucking minutes if you weren't a zoomer that could pay attention.Face it, you lost. Go fuck yourself, nigger zoomie.
>>750710696>Square can't help it that most zoomers (like you)There's probably no use in truthfully telling you that I'm not a zoomer and that I played the original Final Fantasy VII when it came out, is there?
>>750711810final fantasy just generates schizophrenia in general and most of these threads are some retarded mentally ill 40 year old getting baited by /ffg/ pinoys pretending to be barry ffxv
Oh so you admit you are arguing in bad faith>when you said Kyrie's final quest takes 5 to 10 hours to complete when you have to literally fight THREE fucking creatures to finish the quest No, you have to craft the item that you need materials from two mini-bosses in Gongaga and Cosmo Canyon.To do that, you have to do at least 14 different world intel pieces.>6 lifesprings (in the most annoying region to navigate) in Cosmo Canyon>4 lifesprings in Gongaga (The second most annoying region to navigate)>1 excavation site in each.>get the chocobo in Cosmo Canyon if you haven't already (I hadn't because I was sick of side content by cosmo canyon)>several remnawave towers to even find the lifesprings>After all that finally fight the twoThose are optional things directly associated with Kyrie's final sidequest that you aren't guaranteed to have done prior.Versus your bad-faith comparison that >Hurrr durr it takes 30 hours to do Golden Chocobo breeding because there's 29 hours of main story prior to being able to breed the Golden Chocobo
>>750712390I'm so happy I'm getting you to go out of your way. Also you just LITERALLY proved my point in my post here: >>750711471You're such a little adderall and ritalin addicted zoomer junkie that even playing the game NATURALLY perturbs you.Keep in mind you have to do "bloated" shit to get a gold chocobo as well going through chocobo breeding. Again Kyrie is a SIDE QUEST and not one you have to do to beat the game. It's fun to see you play yourself, zoomie.I'm genuinely proud of you that you can even complete the captchas in this place.
>>750705653What else were you expecting? E33 had the world's biggest coordinated shill campaign of all time.
>>750712697shills are in your head lil bro
>>750712697What's disappointing about E33 is that it had such a strong first act and then shits the bed for the rest of the game.
>>750712791you didnt play the game
>>750712690>playing the game naturally means gleefully guzzling down Chadley's diarrhea shit because he'll give you an allowance if you doRetard.
>>750712697Rebirth also has shills and still to this day as proven ITT, but the game is so shit that normalfags aren't fooled by it.
>>750711271>Still no response on how ADHDzoomer-Kun would have designed the optional content or rework the open world
>source >anilea analitycs estimate???
>>750712843And the anti-Rebirth schizos never played Remake or Rebirth what is your point?
The real thing to consider for SE is growth from FFVII Remake is not likely. That's the top end for how good a game of theirs can do. None of their other remakes can ever do as well as that except maybe KH1/KH2. As far as FF does, the peak of popularlity has passed and I don't think they can get this franchise to be the super high seller they want
>>750713105I played Remake and Rebirth and am taking a massive shit on them and making obsessed schizos like >>750713040 lose his mind
>>750713158>Lose his mind>Gets so zoomie raged he openly states he will no longer give (you)sI'm not sure if you're winning like you think your'e winning, ADHDzoomer-kun.
