Have you thought about learning another language by playing videogames? It requires some patience at first but it's a great way to learnI've been learning french for around two years mostly by playing RPGs and taking some time to translate and search for info when I need to
I love japanese
Yeah. Sometimes I feel like I want to learn German and play video games in German but the spark just fizzles out after a day or two.
use case for learning french post-brownpocolypse?
This bitch is worthless now that AI can translate literally anything for me.>b-b-but muh accuracy!Localizer troons never cared about that, why would I?
>>750704984I just like the language and it has uses, I honestly never cared much about France as a country. Learning it also gives me some sense of fulfillment while I play shit games
>>750704861Stop fucking eating Japanese
>>750704753Take your fucking clothes off, you teasing little fucking cooze.
>>750705014>Localizer troons never cared about that, why would I?Don't need AI. Just use the hidden Imagination tech. You have an imagination right anon?
where im from youre regarded as stupid if you dont know at least 2 languages. it limits your brain and keeps it undeveloped 100%
Playing games while learning a language makes it feel less like a waste of time.
>>750704753Yes and it works great.FF16, dragon's dogma 2, onimusha are some modern games that are great for learning with voices, which is extremely important to me. gyakuten saiban series is great as a text-only game or visual novel.By the way the star wars galactic racer ENG to JAP localization is what I'd probably point at as a garbage localization. Extreme liberties taken and Shade uses very blatant feminine language in the Japanese text, regardless of sex of the avatar chosen. Localizers must learn that every well-executed translation of intent is +1 points and every excessive liberty -10.
haven't been playing lately, but i am reading, especially with ao3 down for the next few weeks I have to get my fanfiction fix from somewhere.Most of the stuff I've found (and read) hasn't seemed much better than en fanfics.
>>750704753>Have you thought about learning another language by playing videogames?Yeah, that's how I learned English. I'm at least C1, scored 110/120 on TOEFL.
>>750704967I actually feel motivated to learn german more than anything, but it makes me discouraged to hear how useless it is.
How does it feel playing Japanese games translated to English by people who don't necessarily know either language?
>>750709931Do Japanese people argue about their western game localizations like Skyrim?
>>750709931It's pretty non-distinct. Grammar errors are one thing but if you don't know have the original script you have next to zero ability to access accuracy.
>>750704753not by playing video games. but learning a language and testing your knowledge with a video game is a good way to practice.
Every American:>you can't learn a language from [video games, anime, movies]!Meanwhile, every non-American:>I learned English from [video games, anime, movies].
>>750704753Claude does everything for me now
>>750710350The Japanese translation of Skyrim is so abysmal that it has become a topic of discussion in its own right, to the point that there's even a dedicated page about it.https://w.atwiki.jp/tes5/pages/125.html
>>750710350There are cases it's just less prominent because there isn't a small circle-jerk that only does "western games" in the same way there's a clique that only does "anime" and "japanese games"
>>750714573Japanese is not an ordinary language like english
>>750715484Yes it is.
>>750704753Yes. Unfortunately I can't understand shit>言い合い means argument>then you have 口喧嘩>and of course 言い争い>and 口論I don't know why one would use one over the other>>750708005The CEFR is a worthless made up yardstick only meant to tick checkboxes on your resume>>750714573>Meanwhile, every non-American:>>I learned English from [video games, anime, movies].Jap's very, very different. Onomatopoeic/mimetic words are your worst nightmare. Moonrunes are a walk in the park compared to those. The ones in pic are all from the 1st chapter of 1 game
>>750715935Forgot pic
>>750715935Just use a JP-JP dictionary
>>750704753I learned English through video games to the point that I've translated some games into my language.Now I'm learning Japanese the same way, but it's much harder, so even now, after 4 years, I still need to look up things often, although this depends on the difficulty of text and on the themes - I mostly play fantasy games, so if I suddenly play a sci-fi one, there will be more words I don't know.But funny thing about studying a language by doing something you like, like playing video games in this case, is that it increases the fun. I may need twice (or more) time to finish a game in Japanese than in English or my language, but on the other hand, I can enjoy and finish a 6/10 game that I'd drop after an hour if I played it in one of the other languages.
I want to learn latin just so that if I ever decided to make my own game, the only language options available would be english and latin.
>>750715935It's 2026, anon. You have access to the best Japanese teacher in the world, one who can answer any question you have, whenever you want, instantly, with as much detail as you need or in a short, easy-to-understand way.>b-butYou can just paste a Japanese dictionary entry and ask it to summarize it in English if you don't trust the source.
>>750716460He's trying to learn Japanese, no Sloppish.
>>750716780Not an argument. You're a tribal caveman.Anyone who doesn't use AI to their advantage to learn something is falling seriously behind.It's not 2023 anymore.
>>750716459learning latin is cool until people mock you irl for it. There was a latin speaker who went to rome to speak to locals and he got mocked for it on youtube.
>>750716910If you need to AI to speak to you in English then it's too early for those differences to matter.
>>750716910>the Japanese have been doing it wrong for hundreds of years
>>750716257Dictionaries don't solve the problem of register and usage (who says this, to whom, in what environment, is it approving or disapproving?)>b-but there are dictionaries that explain differences in usage!They won't teach you to use words like 工夫>inb4 implying anyone cares about speaking or writingThe JLPT was a mistake>>750716780Unfortunately I have to agree that AI slop is good for quick lookups. Problem is it's like eating porridge with rusty needles in it. Tetany's a bitch
>>750717073holy strawman you are not learning your native language with AI
>>750705014>You shouldnt learn a skill because musheen can do it and can do better than you so you should me- i mean, you should pay corporate overlords for their epic bacon rental machine.What if i want to learn it anyways.
>>750705014AI won't get you a qt japanese gf
>>750717127The jlpt is the be-all and end-all test for japanese. Even native speakers have trouble recognizing n1 vocab. Once you pass that you mog all japs to oblivion.
>>750717532I don't care about 3DPD, normalfag cattle I only want to consume media
>>750717274My kids are
The only language I did for that is english
>>750717829
I can read enough to play games and read adult literature without a dictionary. I don't care about talking to japs so I never learned how
>>750717873third world mindset
>>750704753Yes i did it with german
>>750718630I only output english to shitpost here, that's how useless it is
>>750704753That's pretty much how I learned English back in the day.Would be nice to learn more languages, but it's a lot of effort. It's harder to get motivated now that I already have games I can comprehend.
>>750718874subhuman logic
>>750716780Translation and looking up word definitions are things that AI is actually pretty good at. It's not "the best" teacher, but it does okay in this particular field, and most people can't keep a native Japanese speaker on retainer 24/7.
>>750718874>default language worldwide>uselessIs it any wonder retards are depressed?
>>750715484>>750715935dekinai retards
>>750717127>They won't teach you to use words like 工夫Sure they can. For instance, Jisho lists sense 1 as being>devising (a way); contriving; inventing; thinking up; figuring out; coming up with; working outSo now we know that it's a する verb that can be used when we wanna say we've come up with something:>強いボスを倒すために、装備や戦い方を工夫する>To defeat a strong boss, I devise equipment and strategies.Easy.
>>750705014that's not new and it's still as bad as it ever was.only now there's more and more morons who reply in ways that don't even track because they use it without any idea how bad it really is.like i get multi paragraph responses to things that i already explained where i practically have to repeat most of my own posts to respond properly.and that shithole reddit is so desperate for new users they are even auto producing and enabling this useless trash.
>>750720146That also means English is where all the worlds trash goes. Every degenerate garbage scam gets an English version because that's how you reach the biggest audience. Every retard attention whore shits up English spaces because that's where everyone is. I imagine the internet is genuinely more pleasant in every language that isn't English.
>bro just use AI
>>750721179>どんな工夫をしている>read it "What 工夫 is it doing?">"What devised method is it doing?" it doesn't make sense
>>750721878There are more senses for する than do.
>>750721878You can't apply English logic to Japanese. There are some things that you can only learn through intuition and exposure to lots of different contexts. Eventually, you'll naturally develop a feel for them and know when someone is using them incorrectly, even if you can't explain why.
>>750719820Why does it have Parkinson’s?
>>750721878yeah sojmdict translations are sometimes just a general idea or description of what the Japanese word, term or expession is supposed evoke. Often you can't apply the translation literally at all in any sense, you have to apply it like a "localization". This is really hard to do as a beginner and as a result beginners are raped in the ass by lack of support.for words which are suru verbs and adjectives, the jmdict entry often doesn't even bother to give different example translations for the verb form and for the na-adjective form, it usually just gives you one noun and you have to imagine what that would be like as verb or adjectivejmdict without example sentences is absolutely futile for learning, you sometimes need example sentences and more context.only jmdict extra as example sentences and usually only one, which is too few.jmdict categorizations are often false and generally not reliable, like which words are na and no adjectives, which are suru verbs etc. In many dictionary entries for generic, unremarkable words attention to this area lacking.jmdict alone is not sufficient for learning. Is it really the only freely available JP-EN dictionary or had been so for a long time? I can't believe it
>>750721820so far the best usecase I have found for llms is being a glorified OCR program
>>750723035That's not localization. You're using that word incorrectly.
私につれなくするくせに人間とは普通に仲よくしている今さら決着でもつけたいんですか最近 体がなまっているから 運動に付き合え”ということらしい呼んだものに責任を持つの一族の家訓でね会社の収支という我々現場の人間には縁遠い話をされれ有能さに感嘆させられる3人目にならないと それっぽい答えが出ないあたり慣れているのか平然としてやがる日常的にやらせてるのか
>>750722235Everyone knows that. Point is it's as unintuitive and full of bullshit as Layton puzzles, you need to pull a ton of shit out of your ass to make it workわけ is another huge offender. I'm also reminded of 受け入れる and 受け止める(accepting and adopting vs merely listening and reacting)>you'll develop a natural feelOr someone could just compile a list of interpretations for people to be able to use them
I'm almost done with Kaishi 1.5k.Im half way up the first hill on dunning kruger effect mountain. Soon I will be able to play lolige no one translates and ai refuses to look at. I love learning japanese, it is the ultimate game with the best outcome. It's thrilling to go through those mostly hiragana games on snes and understand a lot of it.
>>750704753 >learning another language by playing videogames?Already did.t. spic
>>750724347how long did it take to finish that deck for you?
>>750724347Dunning Kruger mountain?
>>750724874a year
>>750724347Or you could've ditched it at the 500-word mark and started immersing with lolige months ago, since mining words with real context is always better than using meme premade decks.
I'm such a fucking retard loser lmao it's crazy that I even had the audacity and delusion to think that I will be able to pull it off knowing myselfI had a plan, kana -> anki -> immersion, vidya, vns, manga, just doing whatever the fuck but reading daily and consistently (which applies pretty much universally to anything you would want to learn/become better at) fully aware that it will take a long time and I just get to enjoy the rideas you can see I'm done with anki which took some time but I got there, now comes the most fun and exciting part and the reason why I started doing it in the first place and... uh.. nothing in almost 2 months lol, 0 vns played, 0 manga read, 0 games finished in japanese, reps keep piling up, I just can't bring myself to do it even if I have gorillions of terabytes of available material in native language right at my fingertipsI guess the point of my sad faggot sob story is that you (hopefully) know yourself better than anyone and if you wanted to learn japanese you would have started years ago without giving yourself pathetic excuses like a weak bitch
>>750726648I started learning in 2021 but gave up after a whilepicked it back up in 2023 and haven't stopped sinceIt's never too late
I've always wondered if VNs feature genuinely tough words or if it's just me getting filtered. e.g. 鬩ぐ, 諍い, 遯竄, 嗤笑, 掌(たなごころ), 瑣末, 赫赫, 溢美, 虞犯, 蓬髪, 冤罪
>>750721878Why'd you change the grammar? "It" is not the subject of the sentence. "It" is not doing anything. The speaker is asking the listener what kind of things THEY are devising.
>>750726018I'm going try this, a beat-em-up staring a fat-bottomed mesugaki and it has zero translations.イノセント・ドーター RJ01588884Looks kino as fuck
>>750726648The moral of the story is: to learn anything at all the most important thing isn't motivation, like your motivation to read your favourite stuff. The most important thing is discipline. There can be no "nah, I don't feel like it today" or "it's a special day, so just this once I'll take a break".You do it, every day, whenever you have some free time. You do your anki reps in spare moments at work/school. You read on your phone/e-book reader while commuting. You play vidya at home. As long as it's physically possible.Note, by the way, that you didn't lose just yet. If you have time to cry on 4chan dot org (formerly 4channel dot org (formerly 4chan dot org)), then you have time to get your shit together. It's not like you're starting from 0, you already have some knowledge.
>>750727318No, you're asking "どんな工夫をしている?". what 工夫 does it have? 工夫 refers not just to the action but the actual efforts of your 工夫ing (the fruits of racking your brains to come up with a method/solution/device).I omitted the を to trip up newfags like you
>>750727520Uh, no, you're asking "What kind of 工夫 are you doing?" Literally:>どんな (what kind of) 工夫 (contrivances, schemes, devisings) を (direct object particle) している (are [you] doing)?I'm also not sure what you meant by "omitting the を" when your original sentence also contained the particle.
>>750727890>その台車にはどんな工夫をしているのですか?>what (ingenious) modifications does this trolley have?I guess the subject is the person after all (missed the に). Then again I hate that word, so I don't give a shit anymoreI'm pretty sure it's a source of endless headaches for japs as well
>>750704753Yeah i learnt japanese to play japanese gamesNow japan is pozzed and always have in mind the west and americans when making their gamesEven niche shit like fucking eroge because they want to get on steam and dont want to get rejected and miss on becoming rich
>>750729153larp larp sahur
>>750729214nigger nigger twittermemeur
>>750727369I strongly disagree, I lack discipline but am still learning passively almost everyday without leaving my cultural sphere. I have my twitter feed translated to jap via grok and learn this way and by watching documentaries and playing video games every now and then. But I don't do any more of the hard stuff like concentrated reading and plugging in headphones and using all your free time during the day to listen to japanese audio for passive learning. In my case doing these things more would certainly be safe to do because I'm genuinely slacking and being lazy right now, but in principle a conscious increase in discipline shouldn't bring about agony otherwise you'll lose motivationI did have some more discipline in the first 2 years which were the most agonizing, but forcing yourself to do something must not entail the danger of becoming fed up with it altogether. If you feel like you're at risk of getting tired of it, the pace should be lowered.
>>750729153>Even niche shit like fucking erogePayment processor kikes are to blameI'm 95% convinced guvmint ngers are involved because the Pornhub lawsuit is often cited as the reason for the payment processor crackdown, and we all know that was a strategic lawsuit to eliminate porn (requiring people to dox themselves to upload porn is bullshit)
people say they got hiragana and katakana down in a weekend and here I am still not having them fully memorized after two months despite daily practice.
>>750717829same
>>750728547In both Japanese sentences, the subject has to be an actual person performing the action because the verb is transitive. The only difference is that when you translated the second sentence into English, you turned the location complement (その台車に) into the subject, which is why you're having trouble determining who the agent is in the Japanese sentence.
>>750729319"Play" this shit for 1 week 3 times a day and you will learn ithttps://kana-quiz.tofugu.com/
>>750729319Shit nigga I'm a year in and still confuse some of the less common kana
>>750726648It is what it is. It's a tough language and it takes a lot of time to learn.
>>750727369>If you have time to cry on 4chan dot org (formerly 4channel dot org (formerly 4chan dot org)), then you have time to get your shit together[citation needed]
>>750717623You're full of shit. A ton of N1 vocabulary is awfully common, and so is the grammar (AにつけBにつけ, が早いか, v-nonpastなり, や否や, かないかのうちに, までのことだ, いかんで, v-ようと, ようにもv-potential negative, しようがするまいが, v+だに, etc.)N1 is not even halfway there
>>750727307Yeah VNs load a ton of hard words into it because it's a literary genre. It's meant to be somewhat difficult.
>>750704753Yes, that's how I learned English.
>>750729260Good job man. Keep it up.
>>750729424No, I just didn't remember the sentence went には instead of は>>750729795I've always heard VNs are for elementary schoolers while actual novels are middle-schooler level (think Moby Dick), and if you can't read either you should just blow your head off with a shotgun
>>750727307most of these words don't exist in a single VN nigga
>>750726648just start again retard, ive been on a break for like months now, who cares. it takes me like 2 days to finish all these flashcards and about a week to get back to my old reading level.
>>750729941>crabs in a bucket mentalityYou must have gotten that from bitter terminally online weebs, not an actual Japanese person.
>>750729319hiragana and katakana were the last and only moonrunes I bothered to scribble down on pen and paper and it helped alot. I refuse to do that shit with kanji. not gonna happen. I don't even remember how to write them anymore but I got them down.
>>750729941>No, I just didn't remember the sentence went には instead of はMy point is that the subject doesn't change, regardless of the に particle.
>>750726648>>750730056Is that supposed to be a lot? I do 1k reviews every day
>>750704984you can read untranslated Astérix and Obélix books
>>750730303happy for you, sperg-sama! i would personally find a better use of my time but if thats what you enjoy have fun! no its not supposed to be a lot, but he thinks it is, so im trying to get him to see its not that many.
>>750730303larp larp larp sahur
>>750727307I've only read 7-8 VNs in Japanese (not including eroge) but I'm pretty confident I've never encountered any of those except 嗤笑.What are you reading? Judging from those words, I can only assume it's chuuni as hell.
>>750730495he is larping
>>750730495 (Me)Oh, and I've encountered 冤罪 a few times. That's not uncommon.
>>750730303
It's been so hard lately bros..Even though all the feedback from my teachers is good I still feel like there's an anvil hanging above me or something...
>>750730303Do you even learn?
>>750727369There is a lot of truth to it, I don't know a single person who failed to learn JP or any language while being consistent.It's mostly an EOP problem, if you're an ESL you've already learned another language and you know immersion is king. You actually need to study first in order for things to make a minimal amount of sense but afterward you should mainly read, read and read. Works for any language.
>>750730875I'd highly recommend holding off on reading Japanese for as long as possible, to read successfully you need to know>how to read the kanji and the kana themselves>what the words mean>the grammar and sentence structure >how words are pronounced including pitch accent EOPs especially will learn the wrong accents and be stuck with them, and in general you want to only learn one thing at a time, I'd recommend first learning a small vocab through listening and romaji + translation and only then starting on mining kanji
>>750730495Currently working my way through casualcore slop Manosaba. It has a few of those words (冤罪. 諍い, 些末, 嗤笑)I still can't believe they got motherfucking Ryusei Nakao to lend his voice.
>>750731159>pitch accenttime waste meme slopmay as well download duolingo
>>750731292You don't actively need to learn pitch accent but it's preferable to first hear a word pronounced by a native hundreds of times before trying to guess how it's read based on romaji or a short robotic clip so you don't get stuck with the wrong reading, if you ever want to speak Japanese irl it will matter a lot
>>750731401>it will mater a lotnopyou never hear germans or other foreigners trying to correct their english accents, and you understand them perfectly finenobody cares about that
>>750731159I agree on everything except pitch accent, it's important but not mandatory. You don't need it if you're aiming for japanese comprehension first. Grammar and kana are definitely the most important. As for the words, well the safest thing is to go through a deck like the kaishi 1.5k before immersing but some people will need fewer words. On a side note, I get dizzy every time I think about learning japanese without OCR. Early 2000s and earlier learners were truly fucking dedicated. I don't think everyone realize how simplified JP learning is nowadays.
>>750731442English isn't a language with only 100 syllables where every word has 3 homophones
>>750731442Zero reason to have a bad accent if you can avoid it.
as a French I've given up on learning accents in every language I know, I just can't. I'll speak flatly and you vill be understanding, period
>>750731517How many syllables does English have?
Comprehensible input is really effective.I think there's conspiracy where language schools are trying to suppress it's effectiveness to protect their business model.
>>75073166117,051
>>750731526Zero reason to obsessively try to perfect an accent when you have zero exposure to the language and can't even speak a basic sentence.
>>750731442English has a billion phonetic groups, accent doesn't matter. Dialects where they drop half the groups and slur the other half do matter but that's a different thing.Even then, some foreigners really should just invest in Received Pronunciation, goddamn they're indecipherable.Meanwhile I swear every other goddamn JP word starts with ka/ki/ku/ke/ko. At least for common words you probably want the accents on hand. But you can just change your accent as you go, I disagree with the other anon on that, English literally has several major completely fake taught accents, it's much easier than learning the language to begin with.
>>750730875>I don't know a single person who failed to learn JP or any language while being consistent.Anon, a ton of jap students are neet slobs. They don't just slack on language learning, but life in generalAnd people who stick to consistency do exist, but they're either extremely devoted and responsible and actually learning instead of posting about it online or extremely autistic. I've heard of people who aced the N1 after 1500 study hours clocked, but they're rare>>750731292>>pitch accent>time waste meme slopHave fun mixing up 熱い(atsu\i) and 厚い(atsui)
>>750731159>literal sabotage adviceLOL
I've been reading my first JP VN (sanoba witch) and holy shit I take forever to read every textboxI *could* read faster and understand most of the stuff through context but it irks me. I don't mind going slow but the idea of taking a year to read a route is daunting..
>>750731820>Have fun mixing up 熱い(atsu\i) and 厚い(atsui)I'm sure Takeshi will care a lot and spend three days thinking about it, even though the context will be perfectly clearHave fun memorizing how to be a normalfag instead of learning new words.
>>750731716You aren't perfecting an accent, you're just focusing on listening immersion first so you build an intuition for how Japanese sounds
EOPs are lame.JOPs are superior. Become JOP. Don't remain an EOP.>"what does EOP mean?"English Only Peasant. That's you. You don't want that.
>>750731837impressive how the advice in those threads is worse than /djt/literally shilling meme pitch accent and telling to avoid immersion and native content as long as possiblewhat the fuck
>>750732279I don't think you can become a JOP if you already know English. Not without a lobotomy and/or plenty of quaaludes, at least.
>>750730631Anki is the true reason anyone ever makes it. Without Anki, no one would know Japanese.
>>750732139Jap pronunciation is as messy as English pronunciation>dual has 4 pronunciations (short u with diphthong and long u, coalsescence)>words like secure and poor accept 2 pronunciations>research's stress changes depending on whether you're American or British>leveling (e.g. fire with triphthong vs fire with long vowel)>elision (medicine? more like medsn)>assimilation (cupboard? more like kub-ud)>irregular plurals out the ass (houses? the s is voiced actually lol)>the cancer that is stress shift>you have to master all this and never slip up or people will know you're a filthy ESL that needs to get stoned, gassed and deported in that orderAnd people have the gall to complain about jap's pitch accent
>>750732372Nigga you don't even know English, it's specifically about avoiding reading and focusing on listening immersion of native content so you don't get the wrong idea of how Japanese sounds or else you're going to pronounce 動物 like it's a martial arthttps://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1793492396232231.webm
>>750732402its more about moving to jp discussion places entirely and ignoring the westoid side of the internet as much as possible
>>750732713Oh. Yeah, that's understandable. There's no reason for anyone to be here.
The only language worth learning is Japanese. Unfortunately I am in my mid-20s so my brain has fossilized and I can't learn new things anymore (unironically). Doesn't help that I have low INT when it comes to language, I am so retarded I can barely talk my own native tongue or English.The only thing I've learned is maybe 65% of hiragana because I was bored for a week and also the katakana for SAVE and LOAD because I've played so many goddamn porn VNs. People talk about learning japanese from vidya and anime but that hasn't been my experience at all. In through one ear out from the other. I guess I'm just too stupid.
>>750732704But who cares if one's primary objective is to read and write? JP learners are split into two main groups, those who want to speak with (and not write to) nips and those who don't. It's a pure waste of time for a good amount of learners
>>750732713I've lurked 2ch for a while and it is really is shitty and surprisingly sanitizedI want something like rpgcodex, vibes wise
>>750732704>autistics when you tell them that you can only learn to speak like a native through exposure to other natives, not by obsessively memorizing things and talking to a wall
>>750732827Again you still optimize your learning if your first learn the words and what they mean alone and only then move to kanji and reading since you're tackling one thing at a time rather than two at once (the word itself and the kanji), you pick up accents for free even if you never use them >>750732913Nigger no one said anything about memorizing, learn English first
>>750732893>I want something like the most Japan-hating place on the westoid internet short of the sharty, vibes wiseBruh.
>>750732970I want the other side of the coin. A western-hating, elitist and hostile forum.
>>750732893Yeah 2ch/5ch is closer to a Twitter or Reddit than an imageboard. Lotta normgroids or at least wannabes.
>>750733019at this point that's almost all JP talking spaces aside from 2ch (westoid-larping-as-jp central) and 5ch (literal westoid glownigger shithole like this one)
>>750731820>corporate needs you to find the differences between this word and this word>they're the same word.
>>750721378As long as you know basic Japanese and know how to use a freaking dictionary it's fine and better than any troonlation.
>>750715996You can learn this from anime. You don't have to be able to trannylate it to marvel comic sfx.
>>750733019That sounds unfathomably based. If you ever stumble upon such a place, please inform me.>>750733187>2ch (westoid-larping-as-jp central)Doesn't 2ch block VPNs and non-Japanese IPs? I've never been able to post there. Can concur there are a lot of normalfags there, but plenty of based Nips too.
>>750704753I started learning to output through Japanese AI roleplay.
>>750727369Nah, you need motivation, otherwise you just give up. You have to have fun with the media you watch.
>>750733619>Doesn't 2ch block VPNs and non-Japanese IPs?Only the public VPNs, posting there is comically trivial.
>>750730361basedlove those comics
What are some good yt channels of japs talking irl with subtitles? Because they talk much faster irl than in anime.
I've been drawing Kanji lately.It's a complete waste of time, I haven't even been reading lately.Japanese is an accursed language. They really should have just adopted English, or at least modernized it.
>>750704753I'm trying, but I find it a bit disruptive to have to constantly interrupt the gameplay to toggle my OCR. Also I can't prove this however I feel like even in a very text/audio heavy game you get less language gains because your attention is split between the gameplay and language, not to mention all of the extra downtime where there is no language at all. I much prefer binging anime and visual novels right now since I'm just starting out.
>>750733569>sfxYou wish they were SFX>殺人動機がしっくり来ましたWow, we got a motive that fits nicely to a teeOnomatopoeia are pure pain. You can't use the dictionary meanings when it comes to building sentences or translations, so it adds yet another layer of complexity
>>750731159I don't know where this "hold off on reading" advice comes from but it's a load of shit. Just do 50/50 or, if you're worried about your accent for some reason, they do more listening than reading (most learners do this naturally anyway as we are all anime or YouTube watchers) at a 7:3 ratio or something.Saying to not read at all, because natives don't learn to read for a while, is backwards logic. You are a person who could potentially accelerate language gains by doing both, and choosing to sacrifice that because you're scared of developing a bad accent (which you won't do if you just follow the regular guides) is very silly.
>>750734175>nicely to a teeTroonlation. It's always the fucking troonlators talking about this kind of bullshit. It's all so tiresome.
Reminder: You are mining forever
>>750734175I can't use the dictionary meanings? Why not?>殺人Murder>動機Motive>が*Subject*>しっくり来ましたfit well togetherAll of the above was done with dictionary definitions.
>>750733569Most translators just translate SFX to word describing the literal action instead>sound of door latch opening>JP: kacha>EN: OPEN>sound of sheets ruffling>JP: moso>EN: CLIMBlmao
>>750734771It shouldn't be translated in the first place
>>750734570Great, now try weaving shit like じっくり, くたくた, ハッと, etc. into your sentences when communicating with human beings, which is the true litmus test for language ability
>want to learn japanese>want to use my favorite games and books to learn>dont understand them and/or it takes too long because of the amount i have to pause/lookup>get discouraged after 20-30 minutes and dont do reading immersion for the rest of the day>instead i only do another single hour of anime and i dont pause at all or look anything upHow do I fix this?
>>750735202Watch a thousand more hours of anime
>>750735202You have to power through it. Yes, you'll spend 10 minutes on a single text box at first. But you have to do that before you can spend 5 minutes on one, then 2 minutes, then 1 minute, then you only need 10 seconds to parse the sentence without looking anything up, then it just comes naturally.
>>750735202>How do I fix this?get YomiNinja v0.93. you'll still be pausing, but the lookup beccomes way easier
>>750735202Immersion doesn't work as billed. It works for people with either a background in academic linguistics or people who have already completed textbooks and classes. Pure immersion is snake oil. Do an hour with a textbook every instead.
>>750735202The beginning is the hardest part because you have nothing to rely on, and it's extremely frustrating when you can't understand anything no matter what you try. Just keep going, everyone has been there at some point.
>>750735202When the going got tough and things felt dense, I'd read easy to digest, bite-sized stuff like comments or something.It really helps when you can decipher from context and the basic ideas match something you know>「ことわざにあるように」followed by a proverb>so that's how they say "as the saying goes..."
>>750735321So anyone that has already learned english?
>>750735202Don't listen to this retard >>750735321You will have more progress asking AI to breakdown any text you have doubts than touching memebooks
そもそもアキバ系がみんな童貞っていうのが偏見なんだよ?
>>750735202see >>750735268the beginner experience is inherently shitty desu its just something you have to deal withright now im watching shippuden and i understand probably around 40% of the sentences completely and 20% of them halfway, the remaining 40% i dont at allthat sounds really bad but i can visibly see (well, hear) the progress and know that this is workingbut for a very long time, basically a whole year for me, it felt like i was just wasting time so dont be discouraged(for you it should only be a few months not a whole year, i took a months long break for personal reasons)
KEK sometimes jap translations feel even funnier than the original
I'm going to Japan for a working holiday in 10 days.Every keeps saying how exciting it is but i'm not excited at all.I'm just nervous and anxious about the entire thing.
>>750735518I hope you're not just skipping what you don't know.
>>750735503>アキバ系>2026
>>750735321Weak bait
>>750735549Video games?
>>750735549Why are you anxious?
>>750735550what? thats not what i said at all or at least thats not what i meant to say. why would i skip something i didnt understand? im trying to reassure him that i can finally see the progress im making
>>750735639Which JP games are you playing anon? Care to share or are you here to be a queer?
>>750735202I have a similar issue. I want to play/read the things I'm interested in in japanese but they are too hard and not understanding it sort of spoils the experience. I don't even want to start it because I feel like I'd be "wasting" it by being to low level to be able to appreciate it. The things I'm not interested in are not worth the effort of learning a whole language for and it would take years of doing boring stuff before I could get into the good ones so I can't be bothered to do it either.
>>750735705Just checking. Some people follow the "soak it all in" approach. Never results in any progress.
>>750735648I've never travelled abroad by myself for a long period of time.Also I spent a lot of time learning Japanese and I would pretty upset if I didn't enjoy my trip to Japan.Tbh last time I had the same feelings but I had such a good time. I think I just have a lot on my mind.
I have been learning Spanish on account of Resident Evil 4 and Blasphemous. Speaking in third person is weird
>>750735202brute for itsay you take an hour to read a single VN line, it will be 40 mins the next, and then it starts to go down to 20, etcits only up from the start
>most peaceful race on earth>suddenly lost its shit and invaded other countries and killed millionsHow did this happen?
>>750736379I started by doing this now it's just boring to read a VN I'd always rather watch an anime
>>750736409Weren't they crucifying Christians and treating foreigners as hostile centuries earlier?
>>750735485worth noting, avoid chatgpt specifically, for whatever reason that slop is hardcoded to localize like troonlators doalso grok works but you have to explicitly tell it "do not localize and give me the original meaning and explanation even if it sounds weird in english"gemini works as-is but i got used to adding that titbit too anyway
>>750736554ChatGPT doesn't localize.
>>750735550I'd personally add shit that's too advanced to a bucket list. You won't understand shit like AはともかくB in 5 seconds (この料理の見た目はともかく、味はとてもいい。->If you can look past how horrible it looks, this dish tastes nice [if you can ignore.../if you can look past.../ignoring.../if you set X aside.../etc.])or だけに (試験のためによく勉強しただけにかえって、不合格のショックは大きかった->given how hard I studied for the exam, it proved to be all the more shocking when I didn't pass (one of the 3 uses of だけに. it has 3 because FUCK YOU. given A, of course B. A, it was especially B that C[contrary to expectations] happened, AがAがだけに))
>>750736554weird, chatGPT is the only one that translated loli h-scenes to me
>>750735856I want you to listen to this carefully. I understand what you're saying, but you have to "do it anyway". It is true you will not understand 100% on your first play/read but "do it anyway". It might be annoying because you felt like you would have had a better experience in English but "do it anyway".What I'm saying to you is, you need to let go of this part of yourself that is desiring strongly to be consuming media like a native from a very early stage. You have to recognize that's a long way off HOWEVER you are no slouch by being able to finish anything at this stage as well.If it's any consolation, remember that you can always re-play, or re-read, as many times as you want, whenever you want in the future. You are not under any time constraint.
>>750736554It's good to get both the clunky explanation and actual English (preferably non-pozcalized, natural English a real person or writer would use). Otherwise you get used to the shitty translation and later have trouble explaining shit.>inb4 translation badHow the fuck do you think translators do their job retard>inb4 who cares about trannylatorsThere's literally nothing wrong with forming associations between 2 languages>>750736752>AがAがだけにmeant AがAだけに
>>750735940i mean i do "soak it all in" when it comes to audio, is that a problem? seems to have worked well thus fari look up literally everything during reading time and i feel like thats a much better balancelistening is entirely free flow and i never hit pause or watch with subtitleswhereas reading is entirely analysis based and i never skip an unknown word or phrase
>>750735856You just have to seek out content you like just enough to invest time in but not enough to care about "wasting" it, I found I have tons of 7-8/10 stuff I don't care that much about that I probably never would've even played/watched if not for being able to use it as immersion.
>>750736554>>750736875>Give the literal meaning. Be detailed and thorough. Don't oversimplify explanations. Distinguish common usage from literary, archaic, or specialized usage. Don't invent meanings or unnatural example sentences. If something depends on context, explicitly say so.skill issue
>>750735983i understand the travel part however i think you will enjoy the trip no matter whatdont be discouraged by any language stuffif you are fluent then great and if not then oh well its another fun reason to go back rightjust dont overthink it and have a good time
>>750735202I never had this problem because I started with two relatively easy light novels and went on autopilot from there. Maybe try that
>>750735530I can read the whole thing quickly and easily but don't understand the meaning>1 year of study>1-2 hours of immersion daily minimum>watched Cure Dolly and lots of other grammar vids Is it over for me
>>750729941This is true. Poetry is for men however. I mean real poetry, not your Instagram whore “poetry” with no meter but oh because it has line breaks it’s poetry. I pity those who think it is. It’s overwhelmingly pitiful.E caddi come corpo morto cade.
>>750736752>You won't understand shit like AはともかくB in 5 secondsWhy not? Sense 2 on Jisho says>apart from ... | setting ... aside>often as …はともかくFrom there, you just apply it.>この料理の見た目は>As for the appearance of this dish>ともかく>Setting (that) aside>the taste is very goodThere was no particular concept to understand other than the basic principle of Japanese being backwards in syntax to English.Your second sentence works the same way, though, you're right that だけに does have three senses when functioning as a conjunction, though all three translate to the same base meaning of "because">as one would expect from ...; given that ... (naturally ...); because ...; being ...^ because>precisely because ...; all the more because of^ because>on account of ...; ... being what it is^ becauseNow because (no pun intended) we know it's a subordinating conjunction, all even have to do is apply it to the sentence>試験のためによく勉強した>(I) studied hard for the test>だけに>because (I did that)>かえって、不合格のショックは大きかった>the shock of failing was all the more greatNotice how simple it really is when we understand that the words and expressions are plug-and-play in language.
>>750737202"Anakin, I understand your hatred of the desert people, since they killed your mother. But try to imagine, if they were not in Tatooine, how tasteless would the food become?"It's a common joke about how leftists are willing to tolerate all manner of violent, murderous cultures because of the spicy dishes they bring with them.
>>750737202No I wasn't at that level either after a year.I'm like learning for 5 years now, I'd only naturally understand that xeet (I am TA) at the 4th year.
>>750736917Ah, that's what I thought. Not hitting the pause is stigmatizing your learning and unfortunately common in learning circles. Better that you pause and read the subtitles than just let it pass you by, otherwise it's time wasted.
>>750736409bruh japs are the bloodthirstiest of all orientals. their current bitchmade state is a historic anomaly
>>750716459>I want to learn latinsame. I have been looking at "Lingua Latina per se Illustrata, Pars I: Familia Romana", supposedly that is one of the best ways to learn. I am strongly considering buying it. Also the pronunciation is helpful to be heardhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpUxN01Ew_4&list=PLeAdgLsSLlqoJ8Ji6zvfrwCSQgKSGSOOP
>>750737376>still focusing on comprehension and going by literal conventionsThat's not how you get shit to stickThat's not how you develop an intuitive grasp and spontaneity and internalize it>meaning of "because"Sure, and then you fall into a pitfall as you ask yourself "buh what? ので or から already mean because, so why the fuck use that cringe N2 garbage?"
>>750736917Thats a little extreme, have you considered doing the cdjt method of one episode with subs and one without in a constant flip back and forth? And having one very easy thing to read which you do for an hour then a harder "native" thing to do for two hours? This was heralded back in the day for people wanting to train their reading and listening together lightning fast for career related reasons.>>750737469Yes ive noticed that listening with subs is unfashionable nowadays too, not sure why.
>>750737408I see, I haven't seen Star Wars but know enough through cultural osmosis that it wouldn't have tripped me up, my biggest fuckup was the line break at 彼らがいなかったら because I assumed it wouldn't split a word and thought it was some unknown grammar and didn't go back to check >>750737431That's reassuring to hear
>>750737686>not sure whyIt's an overcompensation to fix a known failing of late AJATT after the original guys retired, it trained an entire generation of Japanese """fluent speakers""" into only understanding the spoken language when it was accompanied by written text. This of course, is not fluent. At some point everyone in the community noticed, panicked, and now all the other more modern guides recommend doing anime purely raw.
>>750738070Surely you should do it in phases, first getting to actually understanding to what's being said with subtitles, then taking off the training wheels and focusing on strengthening your listening parsing next
>>750738070Bruh how does that even happen lol did they not tell people to do any background listening at all inbetween watching tv
>>750738070I'm a C2 level ESL and I need English subtitles for English language media most of the time, audio is just poorly recorded the vast majority of the time I don't see the issue with needing subtitles
>>750737613But that's exactly how you get it to stick. On the contrary, if you don't understand that だけに is a coordinating conjunction, then you don't understand it at all.If you're critique is that there are other conjunctions that also mean "because," then you have to split them apart further.>のでA combination of の (nominalizing particle) and で (conjunctive form of the copula), therefore use it when giving explanation via independent clauses>電車が遅れたので、遅刻しました (The train was late, THEREFORE I was late)>からThis is a particle that traditionally means "from" or "since." It indicates a starting point , so it's used for stating a logical order. Jisho also points out that when using it as a conjunction, it follows a verb, i-adjective, or だ after a noun or na-adjective:>雨だから出かけない (since it is raining, I won't go out)>寒いから、窓を閉めて (since it's cold, close the window)It's really that simple.
>>750738070I read faster in English than in my native language, and my listening sucks too. Maybe it's because I don't care about movies and other stuff, just reading and playing games.
>>750738293>if you don't understand that だけに is a coordinating conjunction**subordinating conjunction
>>750704753va te faire foutre mon petit negre
>>750738198That's not how I would do it personally. I like this suggestion of "taking turns" >>750737686 but if I was starting today I'd actually do 3 for 3, assuming it's a standard 20 minutes of anime. After Anki, three episodes raw, then three episodes subbed. Repeat the cycle until you get bored for the day, or until you run out of time. This is better because it means you have more time to assimilate everything about the words you are just learning today.
TO ALL 出来ない ITT:Remember, if it was easy, everyone would speak every language. Don't give up!
>>750738070>>750738198>>750738506The way I do it is I watch the anime with subs then download the compressed episode audio to my phone and listen to it on my earbuds while walking/working etc over and over
>>750724307You will never learn a language
>>750738595nigga you are N3
>>750738631>>750738634DJT demoralists have arrived to raid as usual, it was a nice thread while it lasted
>>750704753Hiragana are so much easier than katakana even though that feels wrong.
>>750738626sounds nice on paper but the problem is if im not focused on reading or listening with a visual component then my mind just wanders whenever i lose the flow of the dialogue so im not sure if thats good for everyone
>>750738691I'm not from djt you nigger. I saw that retard who can't think outside the framework of his own lanuage and I shat on him as supposed to.
>>750738691the goyim are getting desperate now that JP devs are abandoning the west, please understand
パンツをかぶるって言うの
>>750738886Not him, but I only think of Japanese within the framework of English and I'd say I'm pretty good.
>>750704984Anon, if you're here for Japanese, then I have some bad news for you...
>>750737598I’m learning Italian and there are some very similar inflections, which of course is to be expected. Any Romance language is most derivative of Latin. Especially the vulgar Italian of the Middle Ages.Take this verse from the ninth canto of Inferno I love for its imagery, for example, and try to vocalise it:>Dentro li ‘ntrammo sanz’alcuna guerra;>e io, ch’avea di riguardar disio>la condizion che tal fortezza serra>com’io fui dentro, l’occhio intorno invio>e veggio ad ogne man grande campagna>piena di duolo e di tormento rio This is sort of an excuse for me to post Dante despite it belonging on /lit/. But there is no other way to read him I believe. No translation comes close to his beauty in terza rima. If one is trying to capture his work semantically, they miss out on the artistry. And if they focus too much on the syntax, they miss the meaning. That archaic Italian is so much more flexible than that of contemporary English, as is with most things syntactically Latin. Milton does well with creating a Latinate structure, but using English to construct his poem. Definitely check out Paradife Loft and Paradife Regained if you want a sort of “in-between” of Latin and English.
>>750739043You sound like a smart cookie. I don't like /lit/ because I'm a zoomer and I need flashy lights and color and stuff but I always respect you guys. Good luck with Italian.
>>750738293>で (conjunctive form of the copula)afaik that で isn't だ(助動詞). i.e. the sentence is not A AND BIn that case で(格助詞) explains a reason, so the sentence is closer to because A, B or A, so BAnd you haven't answered the question on why use だけに instead of ので or から, claude-kun
>>750739151Saying /lit/ reads is like saying /v/ plays videogames
>>750739157They share the same etymology actually. で is a contraction of にて, which is both the conjunctive form of だ and also the particle で. You can think of ので as a conjunctive way of saying のだ. Because you've introduced a subordinating clause with it, it implies that said clause is the reason for the main clause that follows: "It is A, and (thus) B." The て particle actually works the same way by itself. It can be both a coordinating AND subordinating conjunction.Anyway, you can apply the same logic from my first post to だけに and see that だけ means "only" or "no more than (that)," so it follows that when paired with the に particle, you're claiming that the reason for something being the case is no more than what you just said.>claude-kunNope, just years of study.
>>750737686>>750738506Both bad suggestionsThere are good reasons why you need to be listening raw from day 1The more obvious answer that you have both overlooked is watch the anime raw start to finish then take a break by doing a few other series then read the manga at a later timeThe sheer gains you get from compounded reading are incredible
>>750739646>Nope, just years of study.Do you mean traditional study, or immersion? I'm always curious to see how "traditional" learners do compare to immerse learners these days.
>>750739820Immersion + self-study. Basically me pouring over grammar pages on wikipedia/wiktionary.
>>750739868Thanks for explaining. How many hours of immersion do you do per day? Or if you're no longer immersing as actively, what was your daily time allocated when you weren't fluent?
>>750739151Yeah like the other guy said, /lit/ doesn’t really read as much as you’d think. The most frequently bumped thread the other week was a malfoid one, so they’re not much different from here. But thank you for the compliment, though I’d disagree. I’m just autistic and have to force myself to read literature in its original language (if it’s revered for its prose/poetry) but yeah. He also uses certain words that look the same but have completely different meanings because of the vernacular of that time which is similar to Latin. Mezzo = “med-so” = middle, midwayMezzo = “met-so” = withered, overripe (derived from the Latin “mitius” meaning “ soft”) So yeah, it counts as another halfway point. Okay I’m done sperging now. Thanks for listening.
>>750739980Probably 4-6 hours daily, even to this day. When I started it was variable, since I would get stuck trying to understand certain grammatical concepts, and that would make me go on wild goose chases trying to figure out what I was looking at.
>>750716987Guidos are just rude
>>750740163They're not!
>>750715996Uhhhhh ching ching chong bing wong ling egg flied lice.
>>750716459There's an anon making a Roman setting game that's Latin-only
>>750717532Learning a language for women is the most retardo shit you can do. The first question when you start speaking her language will be>which one of your whores taught you that?And there is no right answer. She won't believe that you learned it by yourself and she wouldn't find it cute. Women have been socialized to feel insulted when a man have a prior interest in their culture. For a lot of women, their heritage is their entire personality so if you already know it then have nothing to talk about. This insecurity will hang over the relationship and most likely be what ends it. Her therapist or a fat jealous friend will convince her that you're racist and only learned the language to manipulate her.
>>750739151>>750739631*taps sign*
I like talking to Japanese peopleThey're usually so kind and fun to talk to.Sometimes when I talk to white people they instantly talk about how they have trauma from being beaten as a child.It's like bro, chill, we just met
>>750730602冤罪 is so common it's in fucking Pretty Cure. Japanese learners seriously don't know jack shit. They bump into one word that they don't know and instantly classify it as some obscure shit no one actually uses. Meanwhile, it appears in shows your imouto would be watching. The only thing JP LARPers prove by trying to pretend anything is rare or uncommon is that they aren't even doing the bare minimum when it comes to immersion. You literally can't NOT run into all kinds of words if you're enjoying Japanese shit.https://files.catbox.moe/1tnw1a.webm
>>750741074thats why they are "learners" anon
>>750704753I imagine this is how so many ESL learn english.
>>750741590*learns
>>750741074>冤罪 is so common it's in fucking Pretty Cure.hello saar
>>750741835idgi
Why is the thread so slow
>>750742197Because I'm playign vidyo gaems
>>750742271its halloween
>>750742197At this time half the site is out celebrating Halloween, probably
>>750742197dead language everyone learns korean now
No I am learning Japanese via text book it seems like the best way to do to build you from the ground up like in school. I don't expect much and I am expecting a lengthy process.
>>750742419It's a foolish way to learn
>>750742419It's an intelligent way to learn
>>750742419It's an average way to learn
>>750741074I'm pretty sure 冤罪 is not exactly super common if it's written with furiganaAlso nice job cherrypicking 1 (one) word out of the entire list put together haphazardlyNow I bet you're gonna tell me shit like 坩堝 is super common or something
>>750742419It's a textbook way to learn
>>750742540I was watching gamegrumps and arin said he was learning japanese too for 30 mins a day I might be like that. clock in and clock out.
>>750742673
>>750742676>listening to arin about anything
>>750742667Everything is common. Pretending that words and grammar are "hard" or "rare" is just a cope to make retards feel better about themselves, and to feel like they have a reason rather than excuse for not knowing stuff that the average Japanese person would know if you asked them. Frequency is irrelevant and words you think are "rare" are all over the place. Don't make an ass of yourself. Instead, read more and listen.
>>750742676Why is it that the only people I see learning Japanese are gross nerds who wouldn’t learn another, superior language if you paid them? Rhetorical question, but still.
>>750743092and what is that language you speak of anondont be shy now share it with the thread
>>750743092The Japanese are the most superior people, the jew fears the Samurai anon.
>>750743187G-Greek…
>>750743187Hindi. After alls it is the future language of Japan.
>>750743203True. Plus, they make for the best movies. Name one better movie made about and/or by Jews that comes close to Harakiri.
>>750743092nah even blonde women know jap these days
>>750743312Meant to add this pic. KINO.
I learned to read and also English at the age of 4 because back in my days we didn't have localization.
>>750743312Schindler's List.
>>750743032Sure, and every word in the English language is common and everyone knows what a potboiler or petrichor is, and everyone uses shit like 齷齪 every day and everyone can read and write 齣
>>750743414lol no
>>750743258
>>750707825you’re the faggot that posted in /lgbt/
>>750743519Well, you oughta know, sweetie.
>>750742419normal traditional schooling was comically inefficient even back in the dayunironically asking AIslop to instead of translating, breaking down the grammar step by step on top of saying how it's pronounced is a far better solution, faster tooif you have more than room temp IQ whatever the AIslop gets wrong you will get the gist off context as well, so it's no loss either way
>>750743562room temp iq is such an american termto this day i dont understand fahrenheit and why its used over celsius
>>750743258the jeets are already getting deported and the bar of entry for a visa got reinforced anonto make it worse not even pajeets like hindi, they would rather speak in westoidese than hindi
>>750743559
I've picked up a fair bit of Cyrillic playing lots of stalker. No idea what it means most of the time outside names and stuff but I've had the thought about learning Russian, or maybe German. I play flight sims too with the HUD off so it'd be nice to understand what wingmen are saying without the subtitles
>>750743605I actually thought it only worked on C, which puts the number anywhere from 20 to 30 depending on where you live.On F the insult goes to 60-70 which is just average for westoids and indians these days, even when that's no longer considered legal mental retardation thanks to "changing customer demographics".
>>750704861>you have to cook your own food at restaurantsJapan is retarded.
>>750704753
>>750742673This fucking guy right here this fucking guy I swear I'm going to kill him.
>>750743881ok so you stole someones mail
>>750743881NIGGER
>>750743881yes I'm jealous of these sneaky niggers going to japan and knowing japanese
>>750743881and people say blacks are stupid and cant learn. racists BTFO
>>750744029it gives me hope
>>750743562The problem with the AI slop approach is the same that happens to jap studios when they ask westoid trannylizers for translations>send in script>get translated script>need to already know the language to check so you'll never know if it's legit>if they could check it, they'd just handle it themselves in the first place instead of outsourcing
>>750744029celebrating over a certificate that only makes you legally not technically illiterate is really black
>>750744080You forgot the part where the westoid trannylator sends a proper translation first, knowing they actually check it, they get approval, and then replace the proper script with the westoid fanfic anyway after the fact, something some retards were too eager to brag about, saying the quiet part out loud.
>>750743881based kingdont listen to these fucking retards in ur repliesthey are seething and malding because they want to be n1 too
>>750744215that's pretty cucked why not just call him daddy and suck him off as well?
>>750744170Funny still seeing that pic reposted. I remember underlining the text myself>the westoid trannylator sends a proper translation first, knowing they actually check it, they get approval, and then replace the proper script with the westoid fanfic anyway after the factExcept the pic says "the studios ask that you don't flaunt your changes," which means they're well aware of what's going on
I want to learn Russian so I can find a bf on CS :3
>>750744280>which means they're well aware of what's going onif they are well aware why do they instantly fix the problems when the overseas fans bring attention to it?its almost like westoids are pushing the trannylations without proper approval or something
>>750744326Why boyfriend when you can just rush B cyka blyat idi nahui
>>750743032Then the mother fucker doesn't read or play any vidya.
>>750744414I want to rush Bussy...
>>750743421あくせくis common, but not usually written in kanji. Same for こま。
>>750744080A lot of professional translators use AI to at least check for errors thohttps://mtlwiki.miraheze.org/wiki/Advice_for_Human_Translators
>>750744592>completely missing the pointNo one ever bothers to check whether the clanker's output is wrong. The average retard takes whatever it pukes out as gospel. It's a noob trap.
>>750739646にてあり is the source of both である and なる. だ is a further contraction of であ with the る dropped. That's why it also has dialectal variants や and じゃ。
>>750744684The actual issue is that actual learning materials in westoidland are so poisoned thanks to kike efforts that youre unironically better off asking AI to grab some rando JP elementary school books literally directly from japanese schools (these tend to be public regardless of the country) and to run you through the lessons.
>>750744215N… 1? That’s a bit racist, anon.
>>750744762okay but what is ねとられ
>>750744215>they are seething and malding because they want to be n1 too(literal) nigga, being n1 is literally finishing the tutorial in terms of jp fluency
>>750704753Currently playing Kingdom Hearts 2 in Japanese. Pretty fun so far, I can understand about 80% of it but I struggle with some technical terms here and there. Goofy's JP voice makes me laugh every time I hear it
>>750743983well this person whom you call a "nigger", is in fact a certified N1gger
>>750744887i wanted to from the start but i heard it was super chuuni so i havent got around to it yet
>>750744762>and なる.No, the source of なる is にある, not にてある.
>>750744915KH is chuuni as fuck regardless of the language honestly, I would say just go for it and enjoy it for what it is
>>750744887What technical terms are there even in KH?
>>750745013I seem to remember the Ansem and Xemnas lore books being very difficult to understand compared to everything else in the games, however I'd only been learning for a few months at that point, so it's likely they aren't that bad in reality.
>>750745013I've mostly struggled with some ability descriptions, equipment, and DiZ's dialogues. The rest is pretty straightforward, being mostly memories, darkness, light, etc etc.
>>750745089Any examples? I watched the cutscenes in JP, but I don't remember anything being particularly heavy.
>>750744932So why does だ become な then?
>>750745129holy shit just ask AI niggastop wasting his time with N6 questions
>>750745083they are nigh incomprehensible in english too>oh the darkness of my light is the light of darkness, but the heart of the dark darkness is the lights shadow, and uh *coughs oldly* oh my health is waning and muh lifes work, and the shadow of my lifes work, its so dark, the darkness, and that shadow of darkness from the light...>...will lead to the door which i have named KINGDOM HEARTS because it is the heart of all darknessits like wtf are you talking about man
>>750704861Period!
>>750704753I learnt English mostly through Skyrim when I was a teenager. I'm interested in Jap, but I'm a bit lazy to learn all the Kanji bullshit, truly a shame because the language itself is so easy to speak for the most part.
>>750745109You might be right about it not being particularly heavy. I have no concrete examples but I seem to remember DiZ talking about things like right of existence, proof of life or something, revenge
>>750745158i am n4 certified. what about you?
>>750745158Shut the fuck up faggot.
>>750745438I'm N10 uncertified
>>750745438I am this guy >>750743881
I’m N1993R (R means reexamined, had to try again, you see)
>>750745614You are white
>>750745638honorary
>>750745129Because it likewise comes from にある, which became the de facto attributive form for the copula.
>>750707807>dragon's dogma 2I've been playing it in Japanese and a lot of the dialogue is difficult as fuck depending on the speaker. The dragon at the end of the main story has a monologue while you're riding on its back and I barely understood a single word it was saying.At least most of the pawn dialogue isn't too bad and you get to hear it repeated a lot.
>>750745404how is it easy to speak its too fast
>>750743719You are what you eat, I guess?
>>750747362Every language is "too fast to speak" when you're learning, I meant that the pronunciation is extremely easy as a French (and anyone speaking a Latin language basically), the only sound you have to train for is their R sound that is a mix between R and L to us, every other one exists in my language too and there aren't a billion exceptions.
>>750704753Not only have I thought of it I did it. I passed N1, interviewed in Japanese with a Japanese company, got hired and moved here mostly learning through video games.>>750704861Yakiniku places like this are dime a dozen in Japan>>750715935Literally just don't worry about the nuantial differences between words like that. If you just immerse more you'll see all of those words a bunch of times in different contexts and your brain will pick it up naturally.>>750742667Anything not considered 常用 will get furigana a lot of times. But there's numerous kanji not considered 常用 that everyone knows and vice versa 常用 kanji that are relatively rare. 冤罪 is word that any native would be able to read and understand.
>>750704753Have you heard of DeepL.com?
>>750748969yeah
>>750749132DeepL schizo is back
There is no vidya that teaches my TL
Is it possible for a native English speaker to learn Chinese? Especially in middle age?
>>750749393Yes, you can learn any language at any age. You're obviously going to have an accent, but you're about 30 years too late to prevent that.
>>750749180is there any game with an official welsh translation
>>750749917Not an official one, no
>>750749180Maybe that should be taken as a hint that it's a useless language
>>750750404Twll dyn pob sais
Yes, Japanese.But then I gave up because the writing system is too fucked up.Time required is not worth it. You can learn multiple other languages with the same effort.
>>750750569This is objectively true. The writing system is a nightmare.
>>750733619The japs at /int/ always tell me futaba and 2channel are abysmal dogshit.
>>750731292the kana learning tool on duolingo is alright if you have a cracked api
>>750751070They're right. Learn Japanese because you want an intellectual challenge, not because you're looking for friends.
>>750732809no you're just a loser.
How long will it take me to understand all of the syllables that Japanese people stick at the ends of their sentences
>>7507517706 months to a year, provided you analyze each sentence and understand their meaning.You can't just look at a sentence like>抜き取られてしまったわけだand go nukitora blah blah blah
>>750735856>>750735202>my favoritethese are likely well and above your nip reading level which will make things tedious and frustrating. just start with babyslop that isn't important to you. for a while the real 'game' should be reading/using japanese in context and the actual game you're playing is of secondary importance; it's just a vehicle to feed you runes.i like manga as a starting point because on average they have like 500 words and tons of repetition so you get a lot more chances to learn and recognize something without having to rely on tools.
>>750752116>they have like 500 words and tons of repetitionlol, lmao even
>>750752093I can just look at the き and ら shit next to a kanji and I can guess it correctly 70% of the time without knowing what the fuck it is
>>750752192I was talking about comprehension, not whether or not you can guess the kanji reading. Also, you can't guess the reading.
>>750752228I'm just saying and yes you can
>>750752247You can't. There's no sure way to read any word without having known its constituent elements prior.
>>750735983>>750735549i was expecting to get paris syndrome when i went there and become extremely blackpilled but desu the opposite happened, im a much bigger weeb now.if anything i just hate america much more
>>750746192DD2 is literally one of these japanese game that was designed to be played with English audio first, like MGSJust go play Blue Reflection or something instead of going against the vision of the developer
>>750752554That's not saying much when crapcom is a glorified westoid company operating in japan and has been since at least the PS3 era.
