Why aren't the European devs having any mass lay-offs? Same for Asian devs.Instead they expand and plan new projects.. why can't USA do it?
>>750696902There's this thing called not operating in the most expensive places on earth and less bloat All that shit about "you need best of the best to make good games" is bullshit You new a few good men
>>750697093>larian>men
>>750696902Because they still consist of straight white employed men'murica fell for the jeet hired help meme and of course the troon brigade.
Their expenses are in euro or yen, but they get paid in dollars>All that shit about "you need best of the best to make good games" is bullshit That is also bullshit because people are biased and selective on whether or not asset reuse is good. Also see: "thing, Japan"
>>750696902They're not swallowed completely by private equity and don't have bloated budgets removing the necessity of having to make billions of dollars per project. Europe also has that with ubisoft.
>>750697183Cute snek.But yes, lower cost of operation. You don't need a team of hundreds to make games, even if they're relatively cheap jeets. They make developing slower and longer development time will greatly bloat your budget.East Asians in comparison don't take near as long to make games.
>>750696902Asian devs consist of a very very small core group, that outsources fucking everything to absolutely massive outsourcing companies like TOSE. So instead of Nintendo having to do layoffs, it's up to TOSE to either layoff people or find new customers to work for instead.American developers consist of an absolutely massive team of hundreds of managers and creative leads and other non-working design and management roles, when the actual work is mostly done in a Vietnamese or Indian sweatshop. Plenty of fat to get rid of, and thanks to American laws it is very very quick and easy.Western European studios are mostly union shops where laying people off is just incredibly expensive and takes like six months to a year, and you might have to re-hire those people before you can hire anyone else. So you have to be really really sure that you don't need to hire anyone else for a long time before there can be layoffs, thus the preference for studio closures instead.Eastern European devs are getting paid like 30k a year per head. If you can't make a profit with that kinda expenses, then your company doesn't deserve to exist.
>>750697162Yeah nigga programmers are exclusively male (even if they refuse to admit it)
>>750696902Because dev salaries here and in asia are between $1500-3500 in general depending on the position and country.In America every retard gets paid 10k a month minimum, so making a game costs 3 to 5 times more.America's AAA gaming is destined to die.
>>750696902They do though? CDPR already got raped and gaped after making 2077, there's not much left to rape anymore.
>>750698880>so raped and gaped it skyrocketed them into profit stratosphere
Labor protection laws. Employers can't just fuck over employees on a whim to make line go up.
>>750699356So? There was a time Bioware was also looked at favorably.
>>750698880What reality are you living in?
>>750697162Men do most of the actual work, in all sectors. Female employees are squarely in the expense part of the income statement. Besides, Larian has their own strategy for lowering costs, with part of the work being done is Southeast Asia, part of the work being done (previously) in Russia, etc., because purely Belgian employees are obviously expensive.
>>750699659I'm not going to research CDPR for you. Don't reply to me dimwit.
>>750697192>Their expenses are in euro or yen, but they get paid in dollarsThe Dollar is worth less than the Euro.
>>750696902all of these studios had big hit games, the ones in USA didn't. simple as
>>750696902devs in eastern europe are pretty cheap. Especially outside of cities like Warsaw
>>750696902Mutt devs have an agenda to push. Yurip wants to make good games.
>>750698880They've fully recovered since CP2077's launch and then some.
>>750696902>can't lay people off at the drop of a hat, so skill accumulates>lower operating costs>making smaller games in tge indie/AA scene is still kinda viablei mean they have DICE and Ubisoft still but overall their smaller games aren't choked out by AAAs
>>750700147Yeah but they still got raped and gaped
>>750700307Not really since CP2077 was one of the most successful games ever even before they apologized and spent years fixing it.
>>750700375They just got lucky they have so much money from GOG, Witcher and Edgerunners
>>750696902In Europe you can't just fire someone without notice for no reason.
>>750700375Lmao, they were doing so well they had to sell off GOG, sell theit soul for ESG bucks, and "remaster" Witcher 3 for $50 plus tip plus the new DLC that totally isn't built from half baked leftover assets, while Witcher 4 is quietly being internally projected to bomb. All while taking tax dollars from the Polish Gooberment, mind you, because CDPR is the most cultural relevance the country of "drunk roofer falls off of roof and breaks back" youtube compilations, have.
>>750701182>Witcher 4 is quietly being internally projected to bombKek, wtf are you talking about
>>750696902>>750701182GOG has been failing for years, they probably welcomed the opportunity to get rid of it with welcome arms.
>>750699875even in warsaw living costs are substantially cheaper than la, london, or Paris
>>750699552lol
>>750701229Nobody wants to play a Witcher game where you're a fat, ugly, old, lesbo Ciri who "slays" men I mean "monsters", tranny-kun. People will buy it because its Witcher 4, but there is a threshold and it is significantly lower than the 800 million its expected CDPR will have spent developing and marketing the pile of shit. Even after the checks from Blackwater and the Plumbers Association of Roofers, clear at the bank.
>>750702725You must be mad to think Witcher 4 will flop in any way shape or form.
>>750697345
>>750703064You're right, I do think Witcher 4 is incapabale of moving the minimum 25,000,000 copies necessary to provide an actual ROI. Not mentioning all the debts they've accrued that made them fucking sell off GOG.Oh I know why, they only have 300,000,000 in the bank, and have a shit ton of short term loans that they needed to pay off.Its almost like CDPR is required to publish their financials or something.
>>750699815geg
>>750700113yeah like the uhhh... gay sex and troons?
>>750696902Arkane and Dont nod are almost they just are restricted by French law so they are shopping for buyers or else severances will make them bankrupt.
>>750696902They are actually doing good games that sell unlike the americans
>>750698880CDPR has a rotation so fast that they don't have time to fire people.
>>750696902>cyberpunk orion>europeannobody tell him
publicly traded companies are having massive layoffs. private companies don't need to layoff employees because they don't operate on made up numbers.
Its much more expensive living in USA compared to the rest of the world. While wages are higher, so are expenses. That means studios need to sell much more copies compared to similarly sized Euro or Asian studios. Its really that shrimple.
>>750696902>The news about Boltgun 2 floping came out>studio will have lay-offs>apparently first Boltgun had dev team in size of 7 people>Blotgun 2 have 100>from reviews it seems sequel feels more like dlc>mfw
>>750701067very anti-semitic
>>750707418HOW IN THE FUCK BOULTGUN 2 COULD HAVE 100 EMPLOYEES, IT'S A GAME PAIR OF DUDES MAKE IN THEIR SHED
>>750700268true thatubislop is dead doe
They have stronger protections for their workers.
>>750696902Pretty sure CDPR did have layoffs. Their future is pretty grim with the pivot to UE.The other two are doing well cuz they haven't needlessly scaled up.
>>750696902Larian specifically made a fuckon of money from their last three games AND they're railing against the shitty publishing model in the first place. Basically, they didn't balloon only to fire people when the game is finished.
>>750697192The only thing that matters about an asset is whether it fits with the rest of the game. Whether a framed photo of Tali was handcrafted by virginal nerds in Edmonton Canada pixel by pixel or if it was adapted from a stock photo doesn't mean shit, but if it makes sense it your quarters does. /v/ will never accept this.
>>750697913>programmers are exclusively maleEeeehhh.
>>750707418>apparently first Boltgun had dev team in size of 7 peopleSeems reasonable for that kind of game>Blotgun 2 have 100What in the actual fuck?
Warhorse is getting buttfucked by some h4ck3rs right now. They genuinely might shut down.
>>750696902Those are all big teams with big to huge success. What puzzles me is how the fuck hasn't Owlcat fired anyone and they have like 500+ devs now.,
>>750710739larian's big deal is they understand how the game is played the right way. they're self-publishing. it's interesting how, for example, now even cdpr has gone fully down the self-publishing route and use publishers for distribution still.
>>750710912multiple projects going on
>>750711089they're also a privately owned company, so there's no investor overhead, no risk of private equity, they can just reinvest their profits directly into their company and for now at least the owner genuinely cares about making good games and cares about his employees
>>750710912layoffs come after the expanse launches and they find out the hard way that people who play third person RPG's aren't keen on the business model of releasing games half finished.
>>750711558I think Bioware getting axed just increased their odds of success. Exodus is the only real competition now.
>>750711631Bioware hasn't been a genuine competitor for cRPG's in agesVeilguard barely counted and was the most predictable flop ever
>>750710818Workers of any kind are exclusively male. Women joined the workforce to contribute drama, talk, bitching and politics and literally nothing else. No exceptions.
>>750696902The woke garbage that sabotages games mostly comes from anglos, America has a lot of anglos but Asia and Europe outside of UK don't.
>>750700375>fixing it
>>750696902You don't actually make money through profits in Europe because taxes are so high. You ideally want to barely break even or have manageable losses, and instead get your profits through government grants, company spendings and social perks
>gay>gay>gayshan't be buying
>>750698880>one of the best selling games of all time>and has a successful anime attached to itCDPR is crying all the way to the bank
>>750696902larian is private and their last 2 games have been gigantic money printers relative to the budget for themcdpr self publishes how big of a company even is warhorse? I know they are owned by a embracer shell company which inherently puts them in danger if they ever release a flop
>Casually makes the whitest game of all time.
>>750696902Because they put attractive characters in their pozzed games so people buy them.
>>750714989Larian is probably still getting paid a lot from BG3 sales >how big of a company even is warhorse?They have 500 or so employees and are currently working on two AAA gamesone of them being a $100 million Middle earth RPGso I'd imagine they're in the big leagues now
>>750715227ok I didn't realize they were that big, that's about the same size as larian iircthey would still be in the most danger of layoffs since they have to answer to investors however indirectly
>>750696902Actual worker's rights laws
>>750715328Probably if both games perform abysmally for some reasonbut KCD2 was really well received and is currently their best assetSo I'd imagine a KCD spin off will do alright as a smaller gamedoing better than 1, but worse than 2.Then the entire staff would move on to the Middle earth game, which is supposed to be their heavy hitter.
>>750715391Shhh some moron is going to chimp out about socialism or some bullshit
>>750715558>Then the entire staff would move on to the Middle earth game, which is supposed to be their heavy hitter.can't wait to see more mudblood hobbits and pansexual wizards
>>750715750You didn't play KCD2 or even 1 id imagine
>>750715019And somehow americans were surprised there are no blacks in KCD1
>>750715686I'll take it from here, anon. How the fuck is an employer responsible for half some bitches pay for like two fucking years if they employ her and she gets pregnant but the same employer has no say in whether she can carry the child to term or not? If I'm paying some bitch to have kids and not work for me, I get a voice in the matter.
>>750715843I've played 1, not interested in 2. But you aren't acquainted with the state of middle earth atm.
>>750716340Tolkien is dead, nothing is canon anymore.
>>750716340i can't believe that show is still being made, there's probably like 50 people in total that actually watch it
>>750716316I'll try to give you an honest answerYou can't do everything solely for productivity, because that means replacing someone talented but needy with 4 subpar "people" who will work for pennies and live like shit, if you know what I'm talking about. You've got to make laws for the betterment of societyIt's better for mothers to get paid leave, and for guys to only have to work fixed hours without getting fired for bogus reasons. You won't be as productive as some corporation in Beijing or New delhi, but you'll have a happier society
>>750701229it's a female protagonist bro, those don't sell
>>750697192$100 in Yen is $100, you retard.
>>750716432I'm just not gonna support your forced diversity. Sorry if this upsets you.
>>750699768Are you living in the CDPR reality, you dumb fag?
>>750699430What do you think it means when you no longer working at a place makes their line go up, anon? Why not accept simple reality for once instead of thinking that the economy is this magical thing where nothing makes sense?
>>750711631I don't think there's actually much appetite for a Mass Effect clone. Biodrones are loud but their games were always overrated garbage and the industry moved on for a reason. I predict both Expanse and Exodus will flop, will Exodus doing especially badly because it troubled development and has apparently burned a lot of Hasbro's money.
>>750716707That's fine but I don't think employers should be on the hook for any portion of parental leave.
>>750715391>>750715686No amount of worker's rights is going to protect you from spending 10 years and 500m on a project that makes less than 10m in revenue. They'd put you into a gulag in the Soviet Union for stealing from the people (tm) for that.
>>750716340>But you aren't acquainted with the state of middle earth atm.Well Amazon has no control over the games so it's really up to Warhorse
>>750696902CDPR have the opposite problem, people stay exactly as long as is required to lock in their project ship bonus then IMMEDIATELY bounce for good. Hence why they hired the dregs of Californian RPG companies, because they burned through the entire talent pool available in Poland during the Witcher 3 DLCs.
>>750716965I mean, the government can pay for it, but they're already in a deficit, so they'll probably have to tax employers even moreIt's probably better to have some control over it instead of hoping the government isn't spending it all on some no good bums
>>750715843Why do you faggots keep pretending that there isn’t a forced shabbo goy quest and insufferable nigger character?
>>750717021>Well Amazon has no control over the games Irrelevant, this is modern middle-earth now. And warhorse will deliver on the license.
>>750717247>>750717284I find it pretty dishonest to treat KCD 2 like DA:V
CDPR opened studios in muttland so mass layoffs are bound to happen when they realized they wasted 10X of Cyberpunk budget hiring a bunch of useless calitroons
>>750716340That's amazonTolkien is Tolkien
>>750701182so how many of those "ESG bucks" did they get and where did they come from?
>>750717353CP77 was already made by Californians, anon.
>>750717447Not the main game, just the DLC which is tame as fuck compared to the main story
>>750717284This is also modern LOTR you disingenuous spastic>Andy Serkis defended the casting of his upcoming film The Lord of the Rings: The Hunt for Gollum by stating that the production will avoid "politically correct" casting or "ticking boxes" for diversity.
>>750717338I find it pretty dishonest to go on a huge thing about there being no blacks in medieval Bohemia and then backpedal the second you sellout and then wait till the last minute to reveal it.
>>750705217They have no loans or debts they need to pay anon.Got any source for that?
>>750717338>>750717421You are pretending to not know what is going on. Middle-earth the COMPANY approved these designs. It doesn't matter who is working on the license currently.>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle-earth_Enterprises
>>750717595Are you fucking stupid?Why is serkis only casting whitey then?Don't you know how this works?
>>750717560Remains to be seen what the product is. And they are pivoting because their bullshit backfired.
>>750696902They aren’t owned by big companies that pivoted to AI or sold out via leveraged buyout. They’re still owned by people why personally like/make games.
>>750717664Who is pivoting you fucking inbred retard?This isn't a fucking hasbro wotc bullshit or amazon slop, neither of who are pivoting anywayYou're embarrassing yourself trying to force a point, Tolkien is Tolkien and adaptions can still today be both good and faithful or bad and unfaithfulYou are acting like the latter is the only outcome possible
>>750717635Video games nigger. Serkis isn't making the game. Warhorse will be more than happy to continue the diversification.
>>750717860Maybe, that remains to be seen, the faggot in this thread used pozzed card games and pozzed TV shows as evidence that warhorses game will be bad, and thats objectively a retarded argument to make
>>750717786>wahwah This isn't a fucking hasbro wotc bullshit or amazon slop, neither of who are pivoting anyway
>>750717925>objectively a retarded argument to makeNo it's not, there is plenty of evidence warhorse is in the same boat.
>>750717927>says something stupid>has a meltylmao, amazon and wotc are still fag shit, that isn't changing, and it has no bearing on media by other people
>>750717995Saying warhorse is pozzed and pointing out their shit isn't the same as saying amazon slop means it'll be shit you utter mongoloidThey're completely different arguments, the former has weight, the latter is fucking retardedRub your brain cells together next time
>>750718012> no bearing on media by other peopleStill completely ignored the fact that Middle-earth Enterprises has approved all of this faggotry. They have the final say, not amazon or anyone else.
>>750718080
>>750718159They approve everything because they don't give a shit after Christopher died, they also approved Serkis's project that evidence suggests is running completely contrary to what you are trying to force
>>750718159It seems like they are pretty indifferent as long as they are getting paid which not good or bad so like i said it's all up to Warhorse
>>750718226>They approve everything because they don't give a shit after Christopher diedSo you are just coping that things will be magically better under warhorse.
>>750711089>now even cdpr has gone fully down the self-publishing route and use publishers for distribution still.Now? CDPR was always a self-publishing studio and only used publishers for overseas distribution, like Bamco for Japan/Asia
>>750710912because for what they must've cost their games did well. expanse will make or break the company, though.
>>750718310No I think it'll be shit because I don't trust Warhorse you low IQ retardI don't think it'll be shit because of Hasbro card games and Amazon TV shows because it has absolutely nothing to do with themHow stupid are you?
>>750696902I think it's mainly because you can't fire workers easily in most countries.you can probably demoralize them to quit voluntarily, but generally speaking probably the U.S. is about the only place that will mass layoff workers for the loles
>>750696902Stricter labor laws and protection against dismissal.Focus on AA and indie productions rather than AAA-scale gigantism.Government support programs and subsidies.Reduced dependence on Wall Street.Lower costs of living and production.
>>750718310>things will be magically better under warhorse.Are you that gypsy kike who is in every KCD thread insisting that adding the special nigger character and fake jewish quarter totally wasn’t woke?
>>750718398You literally have no arguments.
>>750718495You literally get BTFO every post because you clearly can't understand basic sentences
>>750718486Your reading comprehension is below 1st grade level.
>>750696902They are when they get a string of flops. Don't Nod is about to kick the bucket, for example. You don't die because of one massively expansive failure, you die because you barely crack couple of thousand players on Steam with your games.
>>750718547You are barely sentient.
>>750718617You are a black as coal gorilla nigger with an IQ lower than a gold fishYou haven't made a single argument the whole thread, continue seething at my pleasure though, vapid subhuman freak
>>750718556Projecting is pretty jewish. How about you go back to seething that you can’t kidnap and cripple children anymore you subhuman shitspawn.
>>750718668>vapid subhuman freakYou are looking at one in the mirror all day of course you are projecting and squealing rn.
American developers used to be the best of the best that the world cant touch which is why we had eurojank as a meme and chinks can only copy games as memes for the longest time but thanks to proliferation of tools like Unreal Engine 5, asset stores, motion capture and etc, the other developers around the world caught up in quality to American developers while being far cheaper too. However gameplay systems wise, the europeans and chinese can only copy from existing American and Japanese gameplay innovations and people are happy with that, we havent seen a new gameplay focused mechanic come out from the cheaper regions so far like cover shooting, souls-like, Bioware dialogues, Bethesda open worlds and etc. I do hope other devs do create new gameplay systems though, it'll be nice to see what they can do without copying others.
>>750718745>nooooo this magic the gathering slop has ruined videogames for meYou're brown kek
>>750718705Read the post again shitstain.
>>750710739SHOW DIVINITY YOU BELGIAN CUNT!!!!
>>750696902>CDPR opened an American branch
>>750718843The game would be three years in early access (chapter 1 only) before the retail version is out anyway
>>750714553Geralt is not going to fuck you bro
>>750718798> gameplay systems wiseThen why are Americans making most shallow movies games while europe made shit like KCD2 and Tarkov?
>>750719585Which were the gameplay systems were created by Americans and copied by europeans.
>>750717438blackrock
>>750697506>massive outsourcing companies like TOSE>Check WikipediaHey what the hell? Making games since the 80's with no acknowledgments?
>>750696902>that lineupas an open world RPG fan my soul is screaming, gaming will forever be trash now, won't it? dimwit games for dimwit gamers
>>750716731CP77 is canonically female and it sold 40 million
>>750696902Cdpr only caved in to woke after cp2077, and are now only keeping relevance because Studio Trigger is based, Witcher 4 will flop hardWarhorse is in a managed decline situation directly mirroring Ghost of Yotei situation, and they already had stealth layoffs with Vavra "totally voluntary" fucking off from the studio "to make a movie"Larian are in the unique position making the only woke product that looks like woke ideology might not be a complete kiss of death and they get funding just to keep the appearances despite never releasing actual sales of bg3In short, give it a little time OP, those are all studios that will die in coming years.
>>750701334shame about ANNOI like Pax Romana
>>750718808Read mine and cry harder gypsy kike.
>>750702725>800 million its expected CDPR will have spent developingI wasn’t aware CDPR had moved to California
>>750701182true i can't wait when bitcher 4 gets blown the fuck out
>>750705217There's no way it will sell 10 million if they continue in the tone deaf direction lolThey haven't shown ANYTHING from the actual game yet.No, that scripted "demo" does not count".
Because in europe a chorus pf "c-communism!" doesn't ring out when someone tries to pass the "Make it illegal for employers to stomp on the testicles of their employees for sexual satisfaction" bill
>>750696902i was really excited about warhorse lotr game until i found out all the lead game designers left for another studio.
>>750696902It's because europeans are slaves. You don't lay off slaves.
>>750696902>Europeemployment laws >Asiathey work for the same companies all their lives, it's a great dishonouru to fire someone o algo
>>750723262some devs were moved there to work on CP2 desu, at least according to ''someone''
>>750696902They get kickbacks from their govts. Only reason Ubisoft has even still been in business the last 10 years is cuz the French taxpayers are funding it. Hell I pirated some fun-looking little Settlers clone the other day and thought "Hmm there are a lot of black people in this for a German medieval city builder" then noticed in the loading screen a logo saying it was sponsored by the German govt. Asia less-so but their govts still do financial safety nets for home-grown business projects.
>>750710912I don't understand how they've stayed in business after both Pathfinder games and WT, especially with that big a studio. Were the games that cheap?
>>750696902It was calculated. Insurgency tactics to put these people into these game companies so that it can all be moved to China, same way manufacturing was over the decades in various other industries.They know the woke shit doesn't sell, that's the point.Isn't it strange that all of this stuff happened with Gamer Gate as a precursor to it all where DARPA funded nonsense was trying to get pushed through?
>>750724892yeah and even that looked mid as fuck
If you look at modern American games most of them are mid at best they're not at the same level as the best european and japanese games.
I recently noticed that all games i'm playing are either European, Canadian or Japanese. Have not played a USA made game in over 10 years(Tyranny was the last USA game i've played, i also liked it but after it USA games went to complete shit).
>>750729912>Tranny was the last USA game i've played
>working at the gamdev office>hey, what if we hire troons?>hey, what if we hire women with Palestine and BLM flags tattooed on their forehead?>Why don't we hire a closeted diaper fetishist>sure, I'm a westerner so I have to accept everyone out of fear of social reprimanding>all these people engage in horrendous social drama at work>the troons never show up to work>can't fire them because then you look prejudiced>both parties trauma dump onto other colleagues>company Slack channels full of people posting their cats>I'm veganProfessional western gaming circles have turned into running a Discord server.
>>750730026Yes. The last good game Obsidian ever made. PoE and NV were trash.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX-8ddJdazQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPpp1_Gx5rY&list=OLAK5uy_lcW4L7rSELH1_JzYVzO1oVHbgm0MalPjc&index=2
they are government funded, each fail just weakens their government, half of them are already at the edge of collapse
>>750705485For 1€ i get a Dollar and 12 Cents. Literally just google the exchange rate.
>>750710912fun games
