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    >>750691165
    I remember when this game came out so many people were guessing over it, I just saw an RPG with Donald Duck in it and never had any interest, it would always be cringe to me and I can't get over it.
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    >>750691261
    KH made Donald one of my favorite Disney characters, no cap. Heck, it even made me appreciate Disney, the writing in these games is good.
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    >>750691261
    Its like a really retarded fanfiction got a big budget.
    Uses all of the trashiest anime tropes too.
    Somehow it's still alright.
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    Aqua's ass!
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    >>750691165
    Kino music and boss fights IMO. A lot of small flaws but the sum is greater than its parts.
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    >>750691261
    It's great if you play it, but I agree. This series filtered me until I became a bored has-been and actually tried it as an adult, simply because 12 year old me saw Sora's giant shoes in a magazine commercial for the game back in the day and thought "Not cool."
    The outgoing appeal of this franchise is not obvious. It's a fucking weird crossover, but it's also very typical Square to do something like this. All of their games are fucking weird, desu.
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    >>750691165
    >Alice in wonderland
    Hated
    >Hercules
    Not even really a world, not hated because its a single room where you fight tournaments.
    >Tarzan
    Hated
    >Monstro
    Hated
    >Halloween town
    Not hated, but shorter than the other levels, bosses were pretty bad primarily because of the camera
    >Little mermaid
    Absolutely despised
    >Peter pan
    Not hated, again way short than other levels
    The game doesn't really feel like the magical adventure it seems like its meant to be, all the disney worlds just feel bland and lifeless with basically no one in them. Pretty bland from an artstyle perspective too.
    Its like these worlds are meant to be post apocalyptic but no one acts like it is.

    Tell me the newer games are better in this regard.
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    >>750691165
    Wonderland, Deep Jungle and Monstro are terrible. The rest are good. Hollow Bastion is great. Level design is infinitely better in KH2.
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    >>750691914
    KH3 has the best worlds imo
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    actually... You're right. I love the game overall somehow but almost every world feels a pain to get through. The design of almost everywhere is janky.
    The poor level design is offset by how good the other aspects of the game are though. The combat system is impressive for the time, the story and characters are charming enough to keep you invested and obviously the music and art direction are iconic.

    Kingdom Hearts is a game that would probably benefit from a remake
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    >>750692145
    lets first finish the story though
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    >>750691991
    The difference is that in KH2 all you ever do is move forward or backward, and every cutscene ends by pointing you towards the next event. In KH1 they clearly were trying to make them actual levels that you're supposed to walk around in, but it clashes with the story-heavy design of the game, so they fixed that in 2, but to the detriment of having more exploration to do.
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    >>750691991
    >hallways and big empty areas
    >"better"
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    Hollow Bastion is good but thats about it, feels like people glaze the level design purely for what it couldve been in later games rather than what it just is which is mostly annoying shit
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    I really hate zoomers
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    Also been trying BBS and the combat is just way too bad, I can't handle it. It feels like total shit.
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    >>750691165
    The only worlds I didn't like were Atlantica for being too confusing to navigate, and Mosntro for a similar reason.
    Wonderland could have used more weird settings from the movie, yet I liked how it handled the room being reoriented.
    Monstro could have used more room variety too.
    Neverland was fine but it was a let down it was only the ship. I am glad you explored more of it in 358/2 Days and BBS.
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    >>750691165
    The level design is great and best in the series. You're just a sub 100 IQ retard man, accept it and move on to more suitable hobbies for your kind.
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    I'm glad I started this series with 2.
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    >>750692916
    I've thought Kingdom Hearts was a shit game ever since I was a teenager
    You must be black
    Black people REALLY love Kingdom Hearts
    It's a strange phenomenon
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    I don’t get the wonderland hate
    Level design isn’t that confusing the garden area has like, 4 doors
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    Tarzan world fucking sucked ass and this is from playing it yesterday. Wonderland was too short and its boss I dislike because I played 356/7 days.
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    >>750691261
    True. Larpers worship the vertical level design. But the levels are actually kinda bad.
    Grasping at straws to find an argument why it's better than 2 (it's not).
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    Why does rikku go crazy over nothing?
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    >>750691165
    agreed. The only good levels are the completely original ones. All the disney levels are either a) a poor representation of the film they're from, b) have pretty bad level design or c) both.
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    Indeed, however breeding brown islander boy ass with the power of darkness is not, in fact, terrible.
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    >Cool imagery
    >No depth behind it
    Yep, its a japanese game.
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    name a more kino wtf is going on reveal
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-4FcFzRMpU
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    >>750693918
    because hes retarded
    >oh, no. Kairi got her heart stolen by the heartless...
    >better work with this lady who controls the heartless
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    KH2fags need to be lynched
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    NOOOOOO WHERES RHE SUPERHEROS WWE SUPERSTARS AND ZOMBIESSSSS
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    I hate it because my favorite vtuber isn't allowed to play Kingdom Hearts.
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    I'm at the end of hollow bastion and I'm starting tor realize that I just don't *get* the combat in this game.
    Everything has so much input delay and the camera and targeting is constantly battling you.
    I don't know If I'm missing some abilities that make this more fluid and more counterplay heavy. Most enemies have totally unreadable attacks and I have just bruteforced most of the bosses with heals.
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    >>750691165
    Traverse Town was my favorite area. I would often plug in the audio to the PS2 and just sit around listening to the OST while playing other games on a different console
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    >>750691165
    I legit need to know this, CAN YOU KILL THOSE FUCKING MONKEYS IN TRAVERSE TOWN FOR GOOD?!

    I kill one and 5 pop up and just keep shooting me til I die, even after six waves they just kept coming! this wasn't there when I played this 20 years ago, is this Final Mix content?
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    >>750691991
    >Level design in KH2 is better than KH1
    Said no-one ever

    KH2 has no design. It's just a series of corridors and pancakes where you hold up to get to your next cutscene or triangle mashfest

    The level design of 1 is partly why it's the only truly good game in the series
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    >>750695721
    Not for good but you can clear the screen

    You need to stealth them so they don't call reinforcements
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    >>750691349
    >KH made Donald one of my favorite Disney characters
    Do americans really?
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    >>750691165
    Hollow Bastion is probably the best level in any 3D action game ever.
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    >>750691261
    kek how old are you ?
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    >>750691991
    I'll never understand why 2 locked movement abilities behind drive forms instead of just being from story progression so that the levels could be designed around them.
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    >>750695891
    Everyone said this. Both the level and environmental design is infinitely better in KH2.
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    Is old japanese rule like super mario brothers

    First game make story
    Second game make gameplay fun
    Third game make game bigger
    Fourth game do different better than done
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    >>750696776
    So Megaman Zero?
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    >>750695003
    Well on playing it again, it's not as blunt as that. Riku's problem was that Sora was seemingly more interested in playing with his new friends than finding Kairi.

    >Riku: He is unusual. Not many puppets have hearts. I'm not sure, but maybe he can help someone who's lost theirs.

    >Sora: Wait a minute. Are you talking about Kairi?

    >Riku: What do you care about her?

    And when the topic of the darkness comes up, he's told that the Darkness is volatile but can be controlled. Which he was hoping to use to bring Kairi back. Context matters here because Riku has no frame of reference to how this shit works and Maleficent has been helping him all this time. In fact, Riku initially distrusts Maleficent until he wrote Sora off as forgetting about him

    >Riku: Why are you doing all this for me? What's the catch?

    >Maleficent: Catch? What's the catch?

    >Maleficent: Silly, boy. You're like a son to me. I only want you to be happy.

    >Riku: I seriously doubt that.

    >Maleficent: Believe what you wish. But lest we forget, I kept my end of the bargain.
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    >>750691165
    got filtered by wonderland huh buckaroo?
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    >>750696129
    It helps that the theme is godlike
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nlCNVewMjA
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    >>750696129
    People shit on KH narrative but losing the keyblade and having to avoid all these new powerful heartless with a shitty toy sword, Beast and magic was excellent
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    I like jumping around the levels desu
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    >>750693383
    I've noticed this too. When I was in school, there was this nigger who was the most stereotypical loud, ghetto bitch and she fucking loved kingdom hearts
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    My little cousin loved this game. Watching her play it was fucking comfy times in what was the golden age of my life. It was some of the last times we really got to spend together before life took us off in different directions. The game itself never clicked for me but lots of good memories associated with it.
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    >>750691991
    >Wonderland
    It's like five rooms nigga, not hard to figure out if you can read
    >Deep Jungle
    Go down the tree, climb back up the tree, repeat while clearing out Heartless, fight Clayton near the camp
    Aaaaaaaaaa god where do I GO I'm going insaaaaane
    >Monstro
    Literally just take five seconds to examine how the chambers connect
    Even without the green doors it's really not hard
    Some Water Temple bullshit where nigs really just don't want to pay attention to their surroundings
    >>750692145
    >benefit from a remake
    Yay more pointless remake slop that removes all friction and interesting design from the game, leading to it being forgotten less than a year after it comes out
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    >>750692392
    nta but yes. I rather go through a bland yet clean and comfortable school hallway than an underground tunnel filled with shit, vomit, sharp glass shards, angry dogs, and cars that can explode at any moment
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    >>750697945
    SS
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    >>750697196
    What is going on with all these secondaries trying the game out and getting filtered at Wonderland? I played the game close to release when I was a kid and I don't remember having any trouble with Wonderland at all. The only places I got lost at all were Deep Jungle and Monstro
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    >>750691165
    A majority of them are but KH1 Hallow Bastion is still kino.
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    >>750695721
    You have to kill them without being spotted. It starts with one. Then two. Then three. Then it resets. Just run through a door or two and go back into the room to despawn them.
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    I didnt really get lost but the worlds were still stupid, convoluted and lifeless.
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    >>750697945
    For me its Sora x Alice
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    >>750698030
    There's too many factors. Its alot easier to say
    shitters are too numerous and they ruin everything.
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    >>750697945
    Oh boy anon do I have the perfect game for you!
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    >>750698256
    >that height difference
    imagine
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    >>750695117
    For me it's Tenma. She's been playing through the entire franchise on the hardest difficulties and fighting all the optional bosses.
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    >Got through the whole game with the basic gummy ship
    So what was the point?
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    I play all the KH games on my Switch2.
    I want to fuck Aqua.
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    >>750698489
    KH1 gummi was bad
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    Basically your taste is terrible
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    >>750698529
    Terra…
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    >>750698614
    KH2 isn't much better.
    Any creative tool designed to be used with a controller will always feel like shit.
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    >>750698529
    >>750698680
    Their feet are too small
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    >>750698729
    H-OLL-y look at those STOMPERS
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    >>750698729
    Made for stomping grapes
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    >>750698729
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    if you think kh1 levels are bad boy have I got some really bad news about kh2
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    The worlds would be fun if you weren't bombarded with heartless non stop. Or if the heartless were actually fun to fight.
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    >>750691165
    I always like to imagine they drafted some vast fantastical worlds that Sora would explore like you were actually in the movie. And the end result was what you see: like four rooms, three of them being very small and cramped in alice in wonderland as an example. It's like mapping out this huge idea you have to chat gpt now and it says "GOT IT" and the output is complete and utter shit.
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    >>750701530
    At least that level has the cards. Every other level has about 2 people in it.
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    >All this time wondered why Goofy had a shield and no weapon
    >Learned that it was Disney who said Goofy can't have a weapon because it doesn't fit his character to use violent weapons

    How true is that? The last disney thing I ever saw was he, donald and mickey as three musketeers and weren't they using swords in that one?
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    >>750701876
    Hitting people with a shield does feel more goofy though
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    >>750691991
    2s platforming and puzzle solving are significantly worse, but it's combat and design are better.
    Cavern of remembrance is a good show case of what they could have done, but chose not to for whatever reason.
    Ultimately KH1 seems to be the only game in the series that remembers it's supposed to be a platformer.
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    >>750702271
    DDD has platforming, it’s just that they included the ability to jump the walls and skip it all entirely
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    I started playing FF8 recently and now I'm kinda annoyed that Seifer doesn't work for Maleficent in KH alongside Pete but I guess it would've been too on the nose, it would've been weird without context and the other FF characters aren't really that true to their source material in the first place.
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    >>750693918
    Sora replaced him with farm animals.
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    >>750696437
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    >Wonderland
    >Monstro
    >Deep Jungle
    >Atlantis
    This game is a massive filter for people who cannot navigate 3D spaces more complex than a straight line.
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    DDD would be a trillion times worse without flowmotion. Imagine running that slowly through out those agonizingly big levels. Notredam would have been where i called it quits long before the memory leak got me.
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    Its more that the path to progression through the levels is always opaque bullshit that you'd have to comb the levels for.
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    >>750703585
    ddd is the biggest soulless piece of shit i've ever played, the game sucks with or without the free movement
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    >>750703585
    True but i imagine the wall jumps were added late in development because those levels are designed without the idea you can wall hump to the top of them.
    You have small platforming challenges and designated parts of the level to rise higher and access new parts of the level. That’s probably why 3 removed that feature
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    >>750702271
    But its not supposed to be a platformer, its an arpg
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    >>750691165
    That's not kingdom hearts 2 in which the only good level is the 40 minutes long disney retro world
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    >>750705403
    First game is both.
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    >>750696016
    Americans really do, since they don't have a strong attachment to Disney's comics
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    DOYLE
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    >>750693636
    What KH1's level design does have over the later games is they're not fucking enormous, so they don't need fifty high-speed traversal abilities (as good as Flowmotion does feel in 3D; Superglide is only in KH1 because Glide itself is quite slow by design and you get it in the last five minutes of the game), and the High Jump/Glide abilities that would become basically legacy abilities in later games were actually relevant in getting around. Levels being designed around the assumption you had High Jump and Glide at extremely specific points in story progression also meant chests were placed around smarter (Kingdom Hearts 2 is the absolute fucking worst about this and just throws them out in the open) and very often you'd see a chest you couldn't get to for ten-twenty more hours.
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    >>750691165
    Destiny Islands: Good tutorial, teaches a lot without being handholdy.
    Traverse Town: Good setup level, comfy.
    Wonderland: Kino puzzle box, filters brainlets.
    Deep Jungle: Has its moments but overall kinda shit, too repetitive.
    Olympus: Glorified arena so will give it a pass.
    Agrabah: Solid meaty level, lots of little puzzles and interconnected level design.
    Halloween Town: Great atmosphere, okay level design, some annoyances but overall decent.
    Monstro: Too repetitive.
    Atlantica: Ludo if you can tolerate the controls.
    Neverland: Too cramped.
    100 Acre Wood: Soulful.
    Hollow Bastion: Absolute ludokino masterpiece that the franchise has never surpassed.
    End of the World: Solid conclusion, not much to the level design however.
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    >>750702271
    >but chose not to for whatever reason.
    My best guess is they made the decision to tie your typical traversal abilities to Drive forms for whatever reason, and then didn't renege on it when it became clear that levels couldn't be designed around abilities you had to level Drive forms for

    Though it's really really funny that KH2 FM is a salty runback on nobody using Wisdom Form, a lot of the Mushroom 13 minigames are significantly easier using either Wisdom or Final, which both have slippery controls and shit out AoEs
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    >>750705780
    Hollow Bastion utterly shits on Radiant Garden
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    >>750691165
    Only levels I didn't like from it were Alice in Wonderland and the Tarzan jungle I got lost in.
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    >>750702271
    Genuinely I think it's a technical miracle that KH2 is able to run on the PS2 at all and the devs had to make a lot of sacrifices to get something so flashy to run smoothly. That's my best guess as to why almost all the levels are so flat, all the resources were going towards the combat. The platforming sections in the cave have almost no enemies in them, then the big fight at the end is inside a flat box.
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    >>750693535
    I dislike how everything looks like a cardboard prop mostly.
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    >>750693535
    It kinda sucks for visiting the actual concept of Wonderland
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    >>750696736
    >still lying even after you've been proved wrong
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    KH and 3D Sonic are the cringest video games known to mankind, if you like them you're automatically a child
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    >>750705996
    >Lying
    >Proved
    NTA but this is an actual 40IQ post
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    >>750691165
    Monstro? Yes
    The rest? No.
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    >>750705971
    The movie is a masterpiece and KH1 doesn't get close to properly recreating it, but it at least has a little bit of its weirdness/whimsy. It has an illogical sense of time and space.
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    >>750705780
    Based Hollow bastion appreciator. What I love about that level is that it’s the perfect representation of the FF/disney hybrid.
    It’s a tall dark evil castle lair like the classic Disney villains such as maleficant, evil queen, Jafar (arguably) but the castle screams final fantasy with how intricate the design of the castle is
    On top of that, it’s not just an imposing area. It’s a real place with a library for relaxation, prisons for capturing enemies, lifts to traverse the floors, research labs etc. It feels like it was lived in at one point.
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    >>750705780
    End of the world feels rushed and unfinished. The world that never was does a much better job as a final level IMO.
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    >>750693918
    He saw that Sora didn't need him and went apeshit because he's gay.
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    >>750706165
    I would argue that they did a wonderful job for a 2002 game and that it features the best designs in the entire series
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    >>750697047
    Part of it is also just projection on Sora getting an edge over him with the Keyblade, and what Riku knows about the Keyblade by that point is that it gives him a much better chance of figuring out what the hell is wrong with Kairi and getting her back than him dabbling into dark powers does. Easier to swallow "Mickey boy done snatched your weave" when you've already got a sore spot in regards to him (guarantee Riku was serious about that paopu fruit with Kairi for winning a race, even if just for a split second) AND he got a sword that can unlock and lock anything, metaphorical or literal
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    >>750705917
    this
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    I was obsessed with this game when I was 12. But the worlds all really were a chore to play through. Especially Wonderland
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    >>750695003
    >oh, no. Kairi got her heart stolen by the heartless...
    >better work with this lady who controls the heartless
    Perfectly logical, no? If someone has heart issues, wouldn't you consult a heart surgeon before anybody else?
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    >>750695003
    I was genuinely expecting him to be possessed or something.
    But no, that doesn't happen until later.
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    >>750705917
    The nobodies have pretty intricate designs, so I could believe it. That final waterfall white room place is a fucking meat grinder on higher difficulties.
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    Tell me about Limit Form, I never got to play it before now, I just got Valor form how far away am I from it? I've honestly eager to jump to 3 already but I was told to sit my fucking ass down and at least beat 1 and 2 first and not be so impatient

    I forgot how much an asshole Diz was to Roxas and to Namine for no real reason, but what was up with all the telekinesis across worlds bit with Roxas and Kairi and then Namine, in fact, what does happen to Namine herself after Roxas gives himself up to Sora? .
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    >>750705917
    The final battle alone is jaw dropping, I wonder how in the fuck they were able to jam it all into a game with so much content already?
    That one phase with the shield dragon and that intricate background and it’s all running without issue. Insanity
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    >>750697047
    >riku's problem was that sora was seemingly more interested in playing with his new friends than finding kairi
    I mean this is ignoring their first reunion.
    >Wait a second, where's Kairi?
    >Isn't she with you?
    >sora hangs his head
    >Well, don't worry. I'm sure she made it off the island, too. We're finally free. Hey, she might even be looking for us now. We'll all be together again soon. Don't worry. Just leave everything to me. I know this-- (most likely going to say that he knows this town like the back of my hand)
    >Leave it to who?
    >Sora, what did you--
    >I've been looking for you and Kairi, too. With their help.
    >Who are they?
    >Ahem, my name is--
    >We've visited so many places and worlds, looking for you.
    >Really? Well what do you know. I never would have guessed.
    >the back and forth where riku sees the keyblade
    >Okay, so, you're coming with us, right? We've got this awesome rocket. Wait 'til you see it!
    >No, he can't come!
    >What?
    >Forget it!
    >Oh, come on! He's my friend!
    Sora makes it pretty clear that finding Riku and Kairi was his goal, and he wants Riku to join him. As far as he knows Riku doesn't have a way of getting around the worlds, I don't see any way to interpret this as thinking Sora cares more about goofing heh off with Donald and Goofy than reuniting the group. I think Riku was just being a dumb kid.
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    >>750706273
    What I like about Hollow Bastion is how the mechanical parts of the castle seem haphazardly built on top of the original infrastructure. Rooms like the Library and the Great Hall look ornate and there's status honoring knights. But then you step outside and suddenly there's leaking pipes on top of the castle structure. None of these things were here before, they were built AFTER Hollow Bastion fell.
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    >>750708103
    Limit form is honestly broken. You are immune during sonic blade and can just spam ethers to keep doing it forever. Unlike other forms running out of magic also drops you out.
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    >>750708103
    Iirc you get Limit Form some time around Master Form, Master you get from a Hollow Bastion revisit
    >what does happen to Namine herself after Roxas gives himself up to Sora?
    Namine also gives herself up because she's a Nobody also cast off from Sora's body through the bizarre circumstances surrounding Hollow Bastion and giving up Kairi's heart in KH1, she returns to Kairi (Kairi herself wears Namine's camisole underneath her new duds in reference to this)
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    >>750692013
    KH3's worlds ARE good. The incorporation of Sora/KH plot within them is bad though. Frozen is a clear example; cool ice palace dungeon, the exterior mountain was samey but pretty and very vertical. Feels like the northern region in Elden Ring ffs it's huge. But Sora may as well have never visited the world, I hope KH4 let's the disney blend more seamlessly with the original content. Actually Woody cussing out Xehanort was a good example of what I missed
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    >>750691165
    I would say Tarzan, Atlantica, and Monstro are the only ones truly awful to play.
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    >>750708357
    You can actually feel in The Caribbean where Disney steps in and yells NO NO NO THE MOVIE NEEDS TO PLAY OUT, it came so fucking close to KH1 levels of Disney integration with Tia Dalma requesting her seal be undone with the Keyblade and then nothing ever comes from it because it turns out Jack was a crab golem and the real one is elsewhere.
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    >>750708208
    I think Riku was jealous of Sora on a number of levels, especially ability to make new friends so quickly, Riku flat out admits it at the end of 2.
    He took that fact as a sign of abandonment of him and Kairi and lashed out at him having Donald/goofy and the keyblade. The thing is though, having those wasn’t why Sora was cool and even after Riku takes them away and tries to reassert himself, they chose Sora again anyway because Riku was an angsty little chud who let his insecurities consume him
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    >>750708447
    It's kind of funny to think the nightmare before christmas world in KH1 doesn't even go to christmas town. Even KH2s version doesn't play out like the movie.
    Hearing how strict they were with KH3s stories killed any desire I had to even try it.
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    >>750705780
    end of the world is surreal ludo kino though
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    >>750708598
    Halloween Town surprised me with the showing that Santa and Jack met under much happier circumstances, no Boogie kidnapping because he was fucking dead.
    >>750708628
    End of the World is great, there's a consistent throughline in Kingdom Hearts that Darkness is represented by water and EotW can be seen as a dark reflection of the Destiny Islands up until you're actually walking around in that world's ruins, a bunch of sand-swept islands in an infinite sea and organic dark structures. Then Ansem gets so angry he transforms into a giant boat, completing the "build a raft to find other worlds" metaphor
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    >>750708862
    This thing must have been a nightmare to model
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    >>750708964
    Just another tuesday for 2000s Square Enix.
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    >>750709340
    Nomura was on that shit where he gave Lulu a dress made entirely of individually animated belts just to fuck with the CG animators
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    >>750698480
    She still refuses to play KH3 though. She's probably fully aware of what she's in for and isn't ready for the kind of ptsd KH3 DLC is gonna put her through.
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    >>750708598
    >>750708357
    >>750708447
    Why was Disney so strict for KH3? Was it just because of Frozen?
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    >>750709340
    I miss when Square made games like they had something to prove
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    >>750709797
    Why prove something when you can split a single game into three and make bank?
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    >>750709710
    Corporations are more protective of their IP now in general. Back in the day you could just slap an IP on anything with little to no oversight from the actual owner.
    GTA clone with a simpsons skin? Sure fuck it, why not. Star wars game about a secret apprentice to vader? Have two of them.
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    >>750691165
    >have to wander between the same 4-6 rooms in a zone to finally trigger the next event cutscene
    I recall Alice wonderland and Tarzan jungle being obnoxious with this shit
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    >>750710420
    Allowed them to make cleaner environment compared to KH2's wide and empty levels
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    >>750709710
    Disney's become such a bear to work with over the years that even Nomura's complained about it once or twice. Note that Pixar (and, mysteriously, Big Hero 6's team) was the loosest about its properties, with both Pixar flicks taking place after or in-between movies for an original plot, and Big Hero 6 allowing for the pretty big plot shake-up of recovering the original Baymax at the cost of his "heart" or original programming disk.
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    >>750710420
    Tarzan was the worst about it, half the world didn't even exist for a good reason and it wasn't clear you had to walk your fat ass back into the tent multiple times
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    >>750710664
    Though I also think Tangled would have been easier to work with if there were literally anything to *do* in the world; Rapunzel as a fairytale got passed up by Disney for a very very very long time just for not having enough of a story to work with, even with making up half the movie
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    >>750691165
    Halloween Town was awesome. When I think of "This is Halloween", the instrumental version from KH1 that plays when you're is usually the version that gets stuck in my head instead of the one from the beginning of the movie.
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    Why did the cool story of unchained and dark road have to be relegated to a phone gacha game?
    Felt like it had better storytelling than the main games.
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    >>750711038
    that's a shame if so because I refuse to play any game on my phone that's not meowdoku or wordscapes.
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    >>750700838
    Take the gravity pill
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    Nomura’s insane for working on a second trilogy when Disney only makes sequels and remakes now.
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    >>750711038
    The series can't help itself in its autism to spread the story to a bunch of different gaming platforms.
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    >>750710832
    Halloween town has arguably the worst level design in the game.

    >Single path way of Guillotine Square -> Graveyard -> Hill -> Creek -> Oogies manor
    >Can't progress from Graveyard without killing everything in the room
    >Backtracking from Hill to graveyard isn't possible until second time around
    >Game requires you to progress through the space 3 times
    >Backtrack shortcuts from creek and hill are deactivated upon leaving the room/world.

    It's cozy, and was really cool to see the art style come to life when I was a kid, but be for real, the actual level design was hot garbage
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    >>750691165
    If you think KH1's levels are shit, don't bother with KH2 then. It's infinitely worse.
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    >>750705551
    SOMEBODY COME QUICK
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    >>750711707
    >not having to go through terrible platforming, shitty maze exploration, and garbage puzzles
    >infinitely worse
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    >>750711536
    >Single path way of Guillotine Square -> Graveyard -> Hill -> Creek -> Oogies manor
    Having rewatched the movie it’s funny how accurate it was in that these really were the only areas of Halloweentown
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    >>750711973
    /v/ is extremely contrarian and in the last year or so one dude has been samefagging hard about how 1 is the best game of all time and 2 is actually trash just because people prefer 2.
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    >>750711979
    Stop motion films historically try to have only a few sets. Coraline is just the single town house everybody lines in, the garden, and the well.
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIpVRw4WDnw
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    >>750711395
    There's still a bunch of old movies he can use.
    We've yet to get an actually Sword in the Stone world.
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    >750712401
    >pedo thinks we’re gonna check his YouTube link or even bother to click on it kek
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    >>750691165
    filtered
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    >750712857
    >underaged child uses the word "we’re" because he thinks that 4chaners aka random faceless nobodies are actually his close group of friends
    kek
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    >>750712846
    That'd be nice but I'm really tired of Maleficent jobbing. If she's going to be included, I'd like for her to actually do something
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    >>750692013
    no it doesnt
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    >>750713184
    She’s be more of a threat if she wasn’t a Disney property, let her change into something else for once
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    Yeah the level design in the first game is ass.
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    >>750713175
    this. lol. the guy is really pathetic
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    >>750703067
    Complex? I don't think you understand what's wrong with them in the first place.
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    KH2 fixed this problem BTW. The levels in KH1 outside of Traverse Town and Hollow Bastion are garbage.
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    >>750713251
    It's such bullshit that Mickey can be a keyblade ninja and Donald Duck can mog Bahamut but Maleficent has had the same shitty moveset for over 20 years. I don't feel like I'm asking for too much when I request for literally anything of substance.
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    >>750713251
    Maleficent is already all powerful and intelligent. She's just not dumb enough to boost her powers and treats Kingdom Hearts like jewelry instead of work. Same reason Hades abd Pete can fight heroes
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    >>750691349
    >the writing in these games is good.
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    >>750695891
    That's better, it's an action game. KH2 focuses on showcasing the action which was top of its genre by far as opposed to having shitty platforming sections that were worse than run of the mill licensed games during Kh1's time.
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    >>750713463
    Stop making sense.
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    >>750713175
    >>750713362
    Did this pedo just same fag because he got called out? Kek
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    >>750696776
    >Second game make gameplay fun
    By removing it? This is why nobody takes KHfags seriously. They legitimately think mashing one button for 30 hours is good gameplay.
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    >>750712401

    I'm convinced that Regular Pat is the only KH youtuber without autism
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    >>750705807
    conceptually, i think they were looking for ways to differentiate the drive forms and ways to level them and keep you using each of them after being introduced.
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    >>750691165
    the front half is pretty bad outside of traverse town but I quite like Agrabah, Halloween Town, Hollow Bastion and The End of the World. Monstro's theme is probably my favorite in the game because of how much it sounds like it should be in SMRPG, but the level itself is stinky
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    >underage child
    Actual groomer in thread
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    >>750710237
    and the games are all complete ass
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    >>750713175
    you even made that underage child seethe after calling him out >>750713673 kek
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    >>750707931
    I dunno I liked the role reversal. on the islands Riku the mature worldly one, but the second they leave it turns out Riku is the naive dumbass which results in him being easily manipulated. Sora has the appearance of being a goofy bozo but he's really quite a good judge of character.
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    >>750713585
    It is doing smt right if you are talking about it
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    >>750709710
    problem was he went with newer movies and the creators were still at disney so they were protective. Plus he was working with a cash cow like Frozen so Disney is going to pay more attention.
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    >>750713756
    Who raped you as a child?
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    >>750713830
    True. Hope you are excited when Aeris and Zack come back to life to fight Sephiroth :)
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    I'm glad that we all agree that KH2 is kino and KH1 aged like milk
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    >>750713962
    DUDE SPOILERS!
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    >>750708241
    wrong, though you do want to deactivate limit form to rebuild drive meter quicker while in MP recovery. my go to strat for the 1000 heartless fight is always sonic blade spam until I'm out of MP, deactivate, swing like once, reactivate limit form and get a full MP refill. rinse and repeat
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    >>750698321
    This one doesn't have good action gameplay.
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    You guys think they will ever remake KH1?
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    >>750713962
    I have no idea if this is spoilers or not. I couldnt take Rebirth anymore when I had to lead chickens back to a coop. Im like WHAT THE FUCK is this
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    >750713893
    >750713835
    >750713362
    >750712401
    >mindbroken
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    I don't get the combat. Am I supposed to get hit all the time? Because there's basically no tells to enemy attacks and you have to press parry WELL in advance + can't cancel animations.
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    >>750714160
    yeah you proved to be pretty mindbroken right now
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    >>750714121
    no theres no way disney would let them do what SE want again. Look how badly 3 integrates the KH story. He barely even interacts with the Frozen world.
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    >>750714121
    Tarzan exists so they'll never touch 1 again.
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    >750714261
    >seething
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    >>750714238
    Do you need Donald to shout for enemy attacks as they blink bright yellow for you anon-kun?
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    >>750714156
    The fact you can’t tell indicates that things are already FUBAR
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    >>750714383
    Very few attacks have any wind up. Not to mention you're always fighting 10 guys at once.
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    Why do all the cutscenes need the sound of wind rushing in the background
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    >>750714270
    This desu. It's become extremely clear from DDD and 3 that Disney has muscled their way into slowly erasing any semblance of Final Fantasy and have effectively demanded that the Kingdom Hearts original characters maintain a separate plot entirely from the Disney storylines. It leaves this soulless pseudo plot development to happen in short bursts in between super happy fun time Disney land for hours at a time. I'm entirely convinced that this series is dead
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    >>750705807
    >a salty runback on nobody using Wisdom Form
    Do people actually not like wisdom? It's fucking great especially in comparison to the pile of shit that is valor.
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    >>750714706
    wisdom is fine when you have MP, but most people HATE using ethers and magic and just want to mash X to win, which valor facilitates. the people who play using all the tools are a minority of a minority.
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    >>750714789
    even ignoring the spells, I love the wisdom rifle basic attacks. Valor is simply "do what you already are but now it's flashier" which hardly feels like a powerup/super form.
    >most people HATE using ethers
    same I almost never use consumables unless I know I'll never run out, terrible society-wide brainworm.
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    >>750714706
    Magic is for losers.
    Men only use Cure.
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    >>750714940
    eh the regular attacks are ok, I'd much rather slam ethers to keep the fire/lightnings coming honestly. only time I use the basic shots is for the mushroom at yen sid's tower and the steamboat willy level.
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    >>750714940
    I liked wisdom more the first time I played the og 2 on what I imagine was easy mode but can't remember.
    When I replayed it on crit I felt like the basic shots didn't do damage at all so I liked it way less.
    Then again I don't like using forms in general because of the brainworm you talk about lol
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    >>750714706
    I've actually had people tell me I was cheap because I used magic. What is people's problem with magic and summons?
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    >>750691165
    Someone got filtered by Alice again.
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    >>750715746
    the games on the basic difficulties are really easy so using magic is seen as further trivializing an already easy thing, but really it's just people who mashed X through the games being mad that other people are having fun using their entire toolset
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    >>750716051
    As a kid I mashed X a lot but as I got older I've wanted to try out my kit. KH2 gives you 6 variations on Sora, 7 if you include antiform and you're only legally permitted to use 2 of them before the gamer police suspends your license.
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    Riku is literally me
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    >>750715746
    I've noticed this is mostly a generational divide and you can see it in the game design as well.
    >old RPG's would almost assume you do all the side content and/or understand the majority of mechancs and scale the main story difficulty as such
    >7th gen-onward the main content is embarrassingly easy and tests you on one or two optional mechanics beyond their introductory phase
    I blame 3d Zelda starting the trend.
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    >>750715746
    If you noticed, some people don't like it when you take the easy way of things.
    Just look at the hate towards AI.
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    I never realized what an absolute joke Cloud's introduction in KH1 actually is.
    >Get his ass beat by a random kid
    >Get tricked by Hades
    >Job hard to Cerberus right after
    >Have to get Hercules to come save his ass
    >Stand around mumbling about darkness like a moody edgelord and refuse to elaborate further

    If you never played FF7 that intro doesn't make him look like some cool ex-SOLDIER badass, it literally brands him as a certified grade s loser.
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    replayed 3 last week, basegame wasn't as bad as i remembered but the dlc is still great.

    I think i am gonna buy kh4 at release
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    >>750715958
    where is the futa pill?
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    >>750716662
    It was a different time. Back in the day being moody and edgy by posting My Chemical Romance song lyrics on your myspace page made you the coolest kid in 6th grade. The game was marketed exactly to those kinds of kids
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    >>750691165
    Nah, all the worlds are pretty good and inventive, with tons of hidden secrets and reasons to revisit them. The only nitpicks I have is that Neverland is just Hook’s Ship and most of Atlantica is just underwater caves. Wonderland alone has more creativity in its level design than some games do in their entirety.

    >>750691991
    KH2 was “yellow paint” style level design decades before that was even a thing. You can’t even explore the worlds freely until you finish their visits.
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    >>750716662
    Cloud beat your ass first time, don’t lie
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    >kh4
    >less worlds but larger

    good or bad idea?
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    >>750717126
    No, he didn't. Not even in Proud mode.
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    >>750691165
    Hollow Bastion alone is the best world in the series
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    >>750717298
    Good. They have revisits as well so the worlds are clearly big enough to be worth it, especially since worlds now also have side quests.
    The fact there is also a mid game Disney break ala KH1/2 with Sora escaping Quadratem is also good since 3 has Jack shit
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    >>750717298
    KH3 was already less worlds but larger so I would say bad idea.
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    >>750717327
    Woah, dude... you're kinda freaking epic
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    >>750717398
    IMO, every KH game needs a clear prologue before the game begins proper and a clearly defined mid-point.

    KH1 had Destiny Islands and Monstro.
    KH2 had Roxas’ prologue and the battle at Hollow Bastion.
    BBS had Land of Departure and Hollow Bastion.
    Even DDD had Ursula as a tutorial boss and a Traverse Town 2nd visit before moving on the the second ring of world.

    KH3 lacked a prologue AND a midpoint, which is part of why the pacing seems so ass.
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    >>750718313
    LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    MEGA MAN. STRIDER HIRYU. CLOUD STRIFE. LORD OF THE RINGS. TRANSFORMERS. HE-MAN. THOSE THINGS EXIST!!!!
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    >>750718331
    It had a prologue, it’s called 0.2.
    Yes cutting and releasing your prologue years before the game is released IS ass.
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    >>750718408
    Oh yeah and how could I forget.

    THE CHINDER CHAGGER NIGGER DAGGER!!
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    >>750699863
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    >>750714601
    Because pure silence would make the cutscenes sound unfinished. KH2 is the worst offender of this in the series however because it has a HUGE amount of awkward silences in its cutscenes. I never really noticed until I was an adult, but the cutscene direction in KH2 is absolutely horrendous, which is odd to me because the cutscene direction in all the other games is WAY better (though KH1 is by far the best in this regard).
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    >>750718925
    KH2 was where the """""story""""" permanently jumped the shark. The cutscene dialogue and direction definitely didn't make things better.
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    >>750718467
    I’m hoping that since Missing Link was cancelled, they’ll have to make a prologue world for KH4 that lays the groundwork for the rest of the game. I love the fact that KH1 and 2 both had slow burn prologues that eased you into the story and I hate how BBS and DDD’s prologues were basically just one or two fights, some cutscenes and then into the game. Fuck the people who complained about KH1 and 2’s openings.
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    >>750719437
    I think the reason it’s so bad is because the timing on all the actions/reactions is off, which makes almost all the attempts at slapstick humour in 2 fall flat. Not to mention the writing during the Disney worlds is on par with Disney Channel animated TV series and there’s so much cringy dialogue that sounds like it came straight out of a cartoon for 5 year olds.

    People will say that there’s cringe moments in every KH game, but no game in the series has as many cringe moments as 2 does.
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    >>750719524
    The leaks have already shown that Quadratem is the first world so that’s probably the prologue.
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    >>750718313
    WOAH THAT GUY HAS THE MURAMASA!!!
    He's so fricken cool..
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    >>750720231
    Quadratum is the hub world, the entire game is gonna be in it
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    >>750691165
    totally agreed. Traverse Town and Hollow Bastion absolutely carry this game
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    >750718313
    >750712401
    >750718506
    >750715958
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    >>750720414
    They’re the best worlds in the game, but the others are varying degrees of good too. Even Atlantica, which people seem to hate, really only gets that reputation because people get filtered by the swimming controls are are too dumb to follow the instructions NPCs give you.
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    >>750718925
    KH2 is odd because the cutscenes did have a lot of effort put into them in one aspect.
    Being that SDG are the most synced up and doing non-verbal slapstick across the game as a team, especially in unvoiced ones.
    Its just that for the rest of the cutscenes the game leans on "silence is dramatic" to the point of becoming numb to it.
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    >>750691165
    Nah every KH game is 10/10
    I’ve never shouted KINO as hard as I do when playing through these
    The bridge scene with Xaldin and Beast in 2
    The Xemnas fight in 2
    All of Hollow Bastion in 1
    The Marluxia fight in COM
    The ending of BBS as Terra’s armor
    Notre Dame in DDD
    The cooking game in 3
    2’s prologue
    All of Re:Mind in 3
    All incredible and the absolute peak of video games
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    >>750719437
    Which is why I hope KH4 sells like shit because the story is too terrible.
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    >>750720757
    What about Recoded?
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    >>750720757
    >No kino in KH3 base game besides a shitty minigame
    HMMMMMM…
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    >>750720724
    >game leans on "silence is dramatic" to the point of becoming numb to it

    Once you see this, you can’t unsee it. Even the way the dialogue is read and delivered has characters pausing for dramatic effect a lot. You could do a drinking game for how many times an ellipsis shows up in dialogue in the game, and I’m convinced the game was a partial influence on a lot of those edgy fanfics from the 2000s where there was an ellipsis in almost every sentence.
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    >>750721034
    >>750720724
    Obviously you guys don't understand kino.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJDs_VkbjuU
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    >>750720915
    NTA, but I think most of the Keyblade Graveyard and Scala in 3 is kino. It’s just that the rest of the game is a slog to get up to that point. The other games in the series were smart enough to sprinkle their kino moments throughout the game rather than just cramming them all into the last 4 hours.
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    >>750721112
    >this will be our snake eater moment
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    >>750714627
    I played DDD a long time ago but it wasnt as bad back then as it was in 3 from what I remember. I liked the Hunchback world and it was nice to see Tron again

    All of the plot development anyone wanted in 3 happened in the last 10 minutes. We'd spent years waiting for Aqua to get to Ventus and then she just finds him in 5 minutes.
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    I gotta admit, one of my favorite scenes from kh2 is

    "Oh my Kingdom Hearts....ruined. Now I will have
    to start all over again."
    "Warriors of the Keyblade, go forth! and fetch me more hearts."

    I'm definitely using the Kingdom Key for most of my ruin for that scene alone. I've heard the Kingdom Key is actually usable throughout KH3
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    >>750721145
    The multiple org members fights were not kino because each member was diluted to make the group fights work. I think the only ones with any synchronicity were Larxene and Marluxia’s DM and the nort court.
    If we didn’t have the data fights, people would be PISSED.
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    >>750721112
    I genuinely don’t understand why they had to show the entire descent down the stairwell when they could have cut to him reaching the chamber after just showing a few seconds of him walking down the stairs.

    Also, a lot of the FM exclusive cutscenes in 2 are weirdly placed in general. The fact that this cutscene comes right before the Demyx fight is bizarre. I would have waited until after the 1000 Heartless battle to show it.
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    >>750721617
    Xemnas walking a minute down that hallway was important ok?
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    >>750721617
    The point is to show that this chamber is so important to Xemnas that he's ready to walk for 10 trillion hours to get there
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    >>750714627
    >I'm entirely convinced that this series is dead

    Since you idiots keep buying the series then its not dying an time soon. You bastards buy games based on how shitty they are, the shittier the more you buy it. Go to Hell.
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    >>750721617
    >The fact that this cutscene comes right before the Demyx fight is bizarre
    Could it be...?!
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    Kingdom hearts 2 is such a dogshit game kek
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    >>750717298
    Bad idea. More shorter worlds is better for KH.
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    >>750721537
    We do have the data fights though, so I think it is kino. It makes sense that the story fights are going to be easier than the post-game ones.

    >>750721505
    IMO, Ansem The Wise/DiZ’s death in KH2 is by far the best scene in the game. The both the dialogue and performances are just 10/10 and it sums up the core themes of the series perfectly just like the ending of KH1 did:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rFvOQ883dc&pp=ygUPa2gyIGFuc2VtIGRlYXRo&ra=m

    It’s still wild to me that they managed to get Christopher Lee to play DiZ, but I’m glad they did.
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    >>750721505
    3's been out for nearly 8 years anon, you don't have to hear things anymore, you can just know them
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    >>750721780
    Speaking of Luxord the guy driving Yozora around in his cutscene is voiced by his actor,right?

    You know, the one who goes
    "Commander!"
    "Commander!"

    "Impressive, is it not?"
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    >>750722000
    I thought I had read it was confirmed it was Luxord driving, is it just a rumour?
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    >>750721686
    You know what? Fair point.

    I still standby my opinion of the cutscene being placed in a weird spot though. I think the long, silent descent would feel less jarring if it wasn’t interrupting an epic all out war. It really feels like the kind of scene you slot in during a quiet moment in the story to build intrigue when the stakes are low.
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    >>750698120
    I used to have dreams of that place. There was one straight out of a horror film where everyone had to get out because the keyhole wasn't closed properly and the darkness began surging out of there, corrupting any living thing into a heartless.
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    >>750721925
    Sure we have the data fights now but that doesn’t mean the base ones were good.
    The fights lacked the interactivity between members to really elevate them. The nort court was the exception to this. You can tell they ran out of time because Terra Xehanort and Vanitas were initially going to heal eachother during the fight.
    More things like that or fighters using combo spells would have make the fights more interesting rather than the inconsistent mess base game gave us where it was basically two solo fighters not acknowledging each other
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    I always forget just how much platforming was in kh1 it kind of just fades away from my mind. Never was that good of a platformer
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    >>750721921
    I think KH1 length worlds are the ideal length. KH2 and BBS length worlds are too short, while KH3 length worlds are too long (although 2 has the second visits to make up for the short length).

    Part of the reason I think 1 is the best game is the series that it hits in he perfect sweetspot for so many aspects of the series, whereas other entries overdo some elements, but undercook others.
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    >>750708232
    Hollow Bastion reminded me, of Gol and Maia's citadel from Jak and Daxter the Precursor legacy. They took what was the bigger brother of the forbidden temple and built a villain's lair out of it. Also, I had always thought that the pipes that covered half the castle, were pumping out the magic so that the keyhole could easily be reached.
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    >>750721263
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    >>750721617
    It was just to tease BBS
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    >>750722509
    The platforming in KH1 was always a secondary aspect of the game. It’s a little janky until you get high jump, and then once you get high jump it becomes a non-issue, so your brain doesn’t register how much platforming is in the game afterwards.

    I personally like it, since it ties even your movement abilities into the RPG mechanics. The bigger crime was that KH2 has some of the most polished platforming in the entire franchise, and yet there’s barely any platforming at all in it. Like, what was the point of refining the platforming if you’re not going to design levels to make use of it? More KH2 worlds should have been designed like the mining area in Cavern of Remembrance.
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    >>750717298
    how about no shitty 3D movies again? is that too much to ask??
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    >>750722821
    I think the “Nomura loves belts” meme came from his FFX-2, and Dirge of Cerberus characters designs. Plus, the fact that most of his characters have at least one belt somewhere. Even Donald and Goofy got belts and zippers on their KH outfits.
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    >>750722946
    You will listen and watch "Into the Unknown" and you will enjoy every moment of it.
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    >>750723248
    SLOWbro, we already know KH4 world list
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    >>750723248
    This might be a hot take, but I think it was fine that Let It Go was in KH3. Arendelle’s problem was that the Frozen team didn’t let Nomura and co. do anything fun with the world, not that there was a musical number in it.
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    Behold the power of darkness!
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    As your flesh bars the sigil so your name shall be known as that of a recusant
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    >>750723339
    hold on let me guess
    >earth but everyone talks about bruno
    >earth but everyone is talking animals
    >earth but it's the 2000s
    >earth but everyone is a superhero
    >earth but sora is shrunken (again)
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    >>750723831
    I swear KH had a talent for taking lines that sound like absolute nonsense on paper and making them kino.
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    >>750724009
    >>earth but sora is shrunken (again)

    What?
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    >>750724009
    You guessed that it's 5 but only 2 out of 3 worlds
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    >>750724078
    I had no fucking clue what an also-ran was but I like how Xemnas consistently speaks like he has to prove his literature degree wasn’t worthless
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    "So this.....THIS is the heart of a hero!"
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    >>750724130
    Shrinking is a common theme in the series.

    >Sora AND Roxas in Wonderland
    >Ven and Aqua in BBS
    >Toy Box in KH3
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    >>750724226
    KH’s writing in general feels very early 20th century with some 2000s lingo (like “lame” and “cool”) mixed in, which is probably why it sounds strange to modern ears.

    It’s the complete anti-thesis of Whedon-esque writing in the sense that it’s deliberately written to sound elevated and it’s being completely sincere about it.
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    >>750724241
    So that's what you meant. Thought you meant the Blue Sky movie Epic was going to be a world in Kingdom Hearts because Disney owns that and its about shrinking.
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    >>750724469
    >2000s lingo (like “lame” and “cool”)
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    >>750724469
    For all of KH’s writing flaws, its sincerity was never in question. I would rather admire cringe kino like Goofy dying than the irony poisoned millennial writing of shit like mixtape or life is strange.
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    I'd take olympus coliseum again over nu-disney movies
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    >>750724520
    I’m genuinely impressed that the game gives you the option to throw the match for a better reward. Most modern games wouldn’t even give you the option.

    >>750724571
    Lame and cool were still said in the early 2000s as a carryover from the 90s, yes.
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    >>750724625
    Newest KH4 Disney movie is almost a decade old
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    >>750724594
    I can't believe Goofy fucking died.
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    >>750724625
    Modern Disney films are made with the following formula...

    It must be anti male
    It must be anti white

    So if you like modern Disney you are shit.
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    >>750724736
    Rest in Power
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    >>750724745
    Sad part Wish would fit perfectly with Kingdom Hearts even if its shit.
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    >>750691165
    yeah honestly blanking on any normal level that i would be looking forward to if i went back. i like the traverse town stuff and hollow bastion, but all of the disney levels in between are meh
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    >>750691349
    >the writing in these games is good
    nigga i played this shit when i was like ten, and even then most of the dialogue made me cringe
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    >>750724594
    >>750724736
    I never understood why some people made fun of this scene. This plus Mickey whipping the coat off to Vim and Vigor is one of the most hype moments in the series.

    >inb4 it’s because they’re Disney characters
    By the time you’ve gotten that far in the series you should be well desensitised to the concept of “famous cartoon characters in serious situations”.
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    >>750724723
    disney has been horrible since 2016
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    >>750725007
    Disney have been going gradually downhill ever since The Little Mermaid when they decided that they wanted to make animated Broadway musicals and pander to theatre kids. Kingdom Hearts is genuinely the best thing to come out of Disney since Walt was alive.
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    i have been replaying kh3 and with the achievement leaks of 4 fresh in my mind there is quite a lot hints and nods towards what nomura is cooking for kh4, especially the extra MoM cutscenes in the remind dlc.

    I really think there is nothing under MoMs hood
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    >>750725091
    >The Little Mermaid

    That movie is shit. Triton was right about humanity and Ariel is a shitty bitch.
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    >>750724736
    They’ll pay for this
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    >>750725091
    aladdin is the best disney movie
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    >>750725262
    It’s definitely one of Disney’s more overrated outings. It’s carried hard by the music and millennial nostalgia. In fact, the same could be said of pretty much every Renaissance movie.
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    >Quadratum
    >donald and goofy in olympus underworld
    >encanto
    >mickey in some scala ad caelum library entering books
    >toy story revisit
    >sora getting saved out of quadratum by riku
    >zootopia
    >gummship inventor world/minigame world
    >haunted mansion world
    >star wars world (return of the jedi)
    >oswald/monochrome world
    >keyblade graveyard again
    >two secret postgame bosses

    There is no way kh4 will be worse than 3
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    >>750725262
    Yeah but… She’s hot…
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    >>750725562
    You are confusing Coco for Encanto
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    >>750725638
    yeah my bad, i am not up to date with modern disney movies
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    >>750725562
    >zootopia world
    already worse than kh3
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    >>750725262
    The reason TLM doesn’t work is because the original Hans Christian Andersen story was a tragedy and they tried to give it a happy ending. The mermaid being selfish and misguided was led to the position where she has to kill herself for redemption and to save the prince, and that doesn’t work when you try to portray that selfishness as noble. The two Soviet versions and the 70’s anime version are both significantly better and more accurate to the original story, even if Disney’s version is more big budget.
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    >>750725007
    2008 was the last time the world was sane and the last time I didn't hate everybody on the planet and pray for the destruction of everything, call me edgy call me incel but you fucking know I'm not wrong, tell me, when's the last time you felt truly happy? Bet it hasn't been the last 20 years
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    >>750725857
    World’s a pretty shitty place but you won’t get anywhere with that nihilistic attitude. There’s still good things about
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    i started a lvl 1 playthrough on KH2 and man oh man, shanyu is a piece of fucking shit. how the fuck are you supposed to even beat him with the bird constantly attacking you, and it's so hard to see. how do people do no damage runs on that boss? there has to be a strat i dont even know about. the beasts castle heartless isn't so bad and neither is hydra.
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    >>750714458
    real
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    >>750726454
    Sword clashes with him give you i-frames.

    Playing KH2 at a high skill level basically just amounts to abusing i-frames.
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    >>750726303
    no there aren't to many people don't care or are too powerless to do anything about it. the world's garbage and everything in it that humanity has touched is worthless I hope nukes start going off soon so that the plague that is humanity dies out and hopefully something better comes once we're all dead.
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    >>750726559
    i mean i did that a lot, but afterwards i'm vulnerable and have to initiate it again
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    >>750725808
    Zootopia has always been a shit movie only beloved by idiots who like talking animal movies or are destined to become shitty furries. The story is Leftist agenda incarnate about the wonders of multiculturalism same to the sequel.

    Audiences are stupid they don't notice the agenda because animal characters were used. Other examples like Raya by Disney tried to do the same message about how great multiculturalism is with humans and it failed. And it doesn't help that Zootopia's main leads are unlikable corrupt shit being shown as heroes.
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    >>750694228
    Gay pedophiles (redundant, I know) need to fucking GO
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    >>750705551
    Somebody stop me!
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    >>750691261
    Grow up
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    >>750691165
    Traverse Town and Twilight Town are the only good places in the Kingdom Hearts franchise
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    >>750726559
    Or looping the ai.
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    Sex
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    >>750691914
    Not really. 2 are corridors.
    Bbs are small and underwhelming
    3d are big and empty
    Com are just blocks
    358 are underwhelming rehashes
    Coded are either cubes or gimmicks

    Didn't play 3

    1 is best desu
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    >>750691349
    >no cap
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    >>750714706
    Wisdom's great but KH2 is a very Mash Attack To Win game so it flies under the radar
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    >>750714121
    They technically did with the 1.5/2.5 collection because they lost KH1's source code
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    >>750716662
    It sorta marks KH1 as predating Advent Children, though a lot of it is also the visible identity confusion in whether Cloud is supposed to be himself or Vincent Valentine, since the moody and somewhat dumb struggle against darkness for him befits Vincent much more

    Granted thematically Cloud is probably supposed to represent the logical conclusion of Riku, or represent Sora if he fell to darkness
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    >>750722821
    this image is woefully incomplete. like where is KH2 sora? that nigga has 6 belts
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    >>750726730
    >The story is Leftist agenda incarnate about the wonders of multiculturalism
    jesus dude it's about predator/prey dynamics as applied to anthro animals
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    >>750734756
    "think of da children" exclaims a 4chan poster
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    >>750734792
    4chan users are known to think about children a lot.
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    What did she mean by this?
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    >>750735151
    Sex
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    >>750732186
    3’s level design is on par with 1’s at its best, but there’s also worlds like the Monsters Inc world that fall back into corridor syndrome.

    I feel like BBS’ level design is underrated. Cinderella’s room + the Mouse hole and the dungeons in the Queen’s castle in Dwarf Woodlands is as good as anything in KH1.
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    >>750691165
    The original levels are always pure kino, thougheverbeit.
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    >>750737547
    3 did at least fucking try to hide the treasure chests again, and did a good job of it even with Sora's movement being almost at its most broken since KH2 with all drive abilities
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    >>750691165
    Nah they're fine
    Tarzan is a pain in the ass I will agree with that
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    Kingdom Pirates when
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    >>750737547
    BBS levels are the most dead levels in the series.
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    >>750726730
    It is a very popular series.
    >>750734680
    Embarassing lack of media literacy. Its a pretty obvious allegory.
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    >>750740854
    Making Jack out to be kind of an adult Sora in personality over the course of 2 and 3 tickles me
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    >>750741509
    Imagine telling that to the actor
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    >>750741958
    Johnny Deep looks over to tell me "aw no chance m8" like a Killing Floor merc before turning back around and punching Amber Heard again
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    >>750742240
    I've come to love redheads
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    >>750710518
    KH2 having wide levels is a good thing.
    It means the camera doesn't have to be shoved up sora's ass. Seriously so frustrating.
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    >>750720724
    I just finished KH1 and have moved onto KH2 (not bothering with chain of memories)
    And honestly the two biggest things I'm noticing is that the combat and camera is way better.
    And the cutscenes are way more animated. Actually laughed at a few moments with the main 3. And the side characters in the worlds finally have some charm to them instead of just being empty set dressing.
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    >>750698321
    I suspect your shitposting, but Wolverine is inferior in this regard because it breaks up its hallways way too much with movie segments and segments that are designed to give the illusion of exploration rather than actually letting you explore. This approach ends up being the worst of both worlds, you dont get to explore a landscape and you also dont get to kill shit faster. It's as if the developers viewed linearity as an inherent flaw
    It would be terrible design, even if the game had good combat with kh2
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    >>750742836
    KH1 was the first try so no need to be that critical
    I can forgive some things in a first game of a franchise
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    >>750691991
    Why do people like Hallow Bastion? There’s such an ungodly amount of backtracking. The game sends you back to the start like 3 separate times.
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    >>750742950
    The Japanese will kill every Disney executive that exists if that happens. You could probably get away with race swapping Axel. Only the Fujos would get mad. And when are they not bitch, moaning and complaining.
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    >>750691165
    Why bait when making a thread
    Just make a normal thread
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    >>750743169
    Thats not bait, its true.
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    >>750743243
    Kairi has plenty of fans and is a very successful character. She isn't well developed in the story but plenty of people love her. Look no further than everyone talking about her actress passing. Everyone was in tears when she passed. And if you want a more recent metric Kairi was the #2 most sold Skin out of the Fortnite collaboration. Not only that but Her and Sora both cracked the top ten skins sold in terms of Disney characters. Now is she on the same scale as Asuka, I'd say no, but few females are let alone red heads. If I had to compare Kairi's popularity with a Japanese character it would be Maki from Love Life. That is where I currently see Kairi at in terms of popularity.
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    >>750742950
    >>750743243
    >>750743280
    >>750743383
    kek
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    >>750744154
    Can someone explain why this happens in every single KH thread? What's the joke?
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    yeah it's not that good it was just good when I was a kid it connects to the inner child
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    >Sinks into the ground just as you're about to swing
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    >>750744458
    A lot of deleted posts at once tends to mean they were made by the same person and he just got banned. Doesn't necessarily mean he got banned for any of those, he could have posted porn in a different thread and got the hammer there for example.
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    >>750744575
    Well yeah, but it's every single thread. And they typically keep posting with newer posts slowly getting deleted over time rather than in chunks. It's hard to believe one guy is following that flow and IP hopping every single time a thread pops up for this specific series.
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    >>750714024
    I wouldn't really say kh1 "aged" badly, because all of its flaws where issues even when it came out
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    Does KH3 still force the gummi shit?
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    >>750746310
    You think you can escape?
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    >>750735151
    Nomura said she meant Marluxia, though it's honestly obvious to anyone so he didn't even need to confirm it
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    >>750746310
    All main games have Gummy ship unfortunately, even 4
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