So?
>>750670370If we count fangames, Sonic.
>>750670370>infinite library of good games and the most must play games of all time vs maybe 5 7/10 games
Sonic has better 2D games, Mario has better 3D games.
Sonic has the better 2D gamesMario has the better 3D games of the 90s-00sBoth are kinda mediocre as fuck for the 10s-20s but I think Mania and Shadow Gens just had enough actual character to them that I'd put them over the top for this eraOverall I'd say Mario has more consistent highs and would be the overall winner, while Shadow has much higher peaks and much deeper chasms.
>>750670405Mario is the coughing baby
>>750670370... How the fuck is this a real question? Sonic has literally never once had a good game.
>3 good games (SMB, SMB3, SMBW) vs 1 good game (Heroes)Mario mogs
>>750670370Mario, if sticking to main installments, have no bad games and with the exception of nsmb2 they are great. Sonic however has higher highs. The adventure games, genesis games, heroes etc. all have a far more interesting physics system and more kino presentation.
Anyone who seriously pretend that Sonic has had any good games is either a shill or a secondary.
>>750670656I want to play shadow gens, but I don’t want to pay the full price when I already own over half the content.
>>750670370Mario, because of Mario Maker 2.
>>750670370Mario 3, World and SMRPG are better than the rest of the Mario library and the entire Sonic library combined
Team Mario forever Sonic and Sega forever will be Gay
>Nintendo buys Sega>Every indie project is killed but Sonic will finally get good gamesIs it worth it?
>>750670665Wasn't that the intention behind posting that? Nobody actually thought Sonic was the coughing baby.
Only contender for competition ever is snoic 3 & knucks. Otherwise mario everyrhing woulf have been the winner .
>>750671530Hell no. Without indie / fan projects, we would've never gotten Mania. Working with fans pays off and Sega proved that. Letting Nintendo handle Sonic would be a net negative.
when you're a kid: mariowhen you grow up: sonic
>>750671801lol
>>750671661Of course not, Sonic is weaker than a coughing baby.
>>750670705>HeroesThat's right! Filters plebs like nothing else.
>>7506706563D World and Odyssey mog
>>750670370The first 4 Sonic games were great, almost all of the ones after them were shit
>>750671801And when you're an adult, Mario again
Sonic games be like>I don't know what I'm doing but maybe I'm doing good, I don't know, the character moves fast sometimes woooo
Sonic Team peaked when they ditched the blue rat and tried making experimental titles instead. Unfortunately the retards of the world demand more goo goo ga ga rodent bullshit.
>>750670370Sonic wins the hot chick heaven contest
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>>750670370Last mario game I played was Mario 64 which was meh. The NES and SNES games were kino, never played Sonic because Sega consoles were shit.
>>750673002Burning Rangers was cool but holy fuck Nights is really unfun to play and INSANELY gay, I'm glad that shit died in the crib.
Some Mario games are terrific. Most aren't. Most are carried entirely by their branding and offer absolutely nothing resembling fun.Sonic clears.
>>750670370Mario and is not even close
>>750673002Man I would love a new budget NiGHTS title that just focuses on the simple gameplay of the original instead of trying to add all the extra stuff like Journey of Dreams.
>>750670595>>750670656Sonic absolutely does not have the better 2d games. the only reason people say this is because they know they cant claim the 3d games are good but they dont want the discussion to be too one sided so they pretend 2d sonic is good
>>750670370probably depends on how cripplingly autistic you are
>>750675008>Sonic absolutely does not have the better 2d gamesNTAThere are probably a dozen great 2D Sonic games, vs a whopping two great 2D Mario games. And as far as 3D games go, I honestly question if Mario really holds the crown there still, especially with them taking a decade between releases now.
>>750675008Thanks for providing absolutely zero support for your claim and just going off of headcanon, so that other anons know not to waste their time with you
>>750675148Better to take they time than shit out stuff like Frontiers
Yoshi and Bowser alone make Mario superior.Yoshi unironically is an example of a perfect character design, a dinosaur who strikes the balance in managing to be cute and cool and cartoony, who would look like just another generic OC donut steel character if he were in Sonic. This applies to Bowser too but him being a turtle who leads an army of turtles that wear armor, are sorcerers, are football players, and ride on clouds while he himself rides around in a clown car alone makes him more interesting than the generic evil scientist who builds generic robots. There, I said it, cutsey cartoony art style be damned. I recognize the substance over style.
>>750670370Why is this even a question?
ITT zoomgroids make it obvious they have never played s3&k
>>750675759>FrontiersOne of what, four 3D games that came out since 2017? The other three were good. And most of the ones since Adventure were good.
>>750675781Everything you mentioned was style though
>>750670656>Sonic has the better 2D games?????Only the first level is good and then you're suddenly confronted with shitty slow platforming and other shit. If you're someone who autisticly speedruns games, I can see where it's fun but that's not the normal gameplay experiance.
the best mario games>Super Mario Bros. 3>Super Mario World>Super Mario 64the best sonic games>Sonic CD>Sonic Adventure>Sonic 3the rest of the mario games are pretty mid, and everything since galaxy/new-super-mario has been absolute shit. likewise with sonic it's really more of the same, and it fell off around the same time mario did.sonic games have higher peaks
>>750676257>you're suddenly confronted with shitty slow platformingBetter to have that be the entire game then? :)
>>750670370Mario, but I am not romantically interested in Mario girls, whereas I am romantically attracted to Amy.
>>750670545Sonic has a bit more formulaic variety.You have the classics that play like Sonic should, but then a million offshoots that are also complete games with beginning and endings, like Secret Rings, Sonic Riders, SA1 and SA2, and then you have Colors, and Unleashed aren't even that similar, and also Open World slop with Frontiers.I really enjoy that Sonic was doing a bunch of failing shit between Sonic 06 and Lost World. It was constantly rethinking what a Sonic game should be, and every game was some new spin that you hadn't seen before, and each game ultimately had a complete story worth watching even if the gameplay sucked.
>>750672543It's funny seeing tendies self own like this. Goes to show most people who don't like Sonic games just suck at them.
The best Sonic games are functional at best. It's not really a contest. It's a pretty bad franchise all around, Mario would win even if it weren't a lauded brand
>>750670370mario is generally consistently good but sonic's highs are just more my speedi have kinda a hard time enjoying mario as i've aged, at least the 2d onesdonkey kong games are great
Sonic doesn’t have any good RPGs
>>7506703702D is actually close, at least the true main entries (the 4 Genesis era games 1, 2, 3&K and CD, the 3 Advance and the "3" Rush games). 3D Mario has a substantial advantage.
>>750670665>Mario is the coughing ACK-
>>750670370Mario consistently has better games, but Sonic has better music and waifus.
>>750677556Have they ever made a Sonic RPG?
>>750678504Once. It sucked.
>>750678504Yes it was the one that had the archie knuckles autism lawsuit attached to it and was made by bioware.It was mediocre, the music was also shitty midis they just took off of random sites.I don't think its the worst RPG i've played but its lightyears below even the worst Mario one.
>>750678398Mario has the better waifu quality on average. Sonic has Amy though.
>>750670405Put a coughing baby in the right place at the right time and it could kill billions
>>750670370Sonic has higher highs and lower lows, Mario has a much more consistently high level of quality.Overall I like Sonic more because the girls are hotter.
>>750678669You are ignoring the other half of CD, there is a big character in 4 that is likely their actual push angle.That being Metal Sonic, i mean there's even some proof that this is somewhat a Sonic Heroes adaption.Also Mufasa barely won and Disney is known for somewhat fudging numbers if they underperform; which seems likely considering the movie randomly jumped up last minute. We also know that multiple theaters just ran only mufasa essentially.But even ignoring that, the movie did do good numbers even if it was shit. And Mufasa completely fell off the second people weren't talking about its box office numbers.
>>750678751Amy is the best character ever made. She is a gift from a deity who blessed Naoto Ohshima with the enlightenment necessary to give form to an angel.
>>750679110Sally is hotter.
>>750679110Naoto Ohshima didn't create Amy. God did. And Yuji Uekawa is his messenger.
>>7506703703D Mario is better than 3D Sonic2D Sonic mogs the fuck out of 2D Mario so hard it's not even funny. but it requires you to not suck ass at the game, which is where many shitters fail. Sonic is just more fun to play.
Mario, how is that even a question?
Sonicbros...
>>750670370There's only like 5 genuinely good mario games the rest are just really consistent 6s or 5s
Watching horror movies with Amy on Halloween and comforting her when she gets scared
>>750679110>>750679607This. I don't "care" about Mario's cast in the same way.
>>750670370every day I thank the good lord that he didn't curse me with autism
>>750678751Blatantly false. Rosalina is for boring vanilla giantess faggots or literal trannies that want to become her like protonjen formerly jon
>>750670370I'm a Sonic fan and will never complete a Nintendo game, but Sonic Adventure 2 is the only game in the Sonic Franchise I like.
>>750673002The Saturn is awesome and only the biggest Sonic autists scoff at it but NiGHTS is the most overrated piece of shit on the system.
>>750679810Pick three to marathon with her.
Her movie.
>>750680016American Psycho isn't a horror movie.
>>750679281I mean its unlikely it actually "made" more money considering the push it had later, though that's being pedantic. But its an actual known thing that theatres were pushing Mufasa onto more screens(while the more popular sonic 3 didn't get any more screens) when it suddenly had its leap.And yes it is a small gap when its a live action lion king movie, who previously were making 1.6 bill with an also dogshit movie.Also sonic hasn't particularly fallen off in relevance in discourse so the idea that its falling off because movies known for breaking box office records beat it(Mufasa's results shit on most movies you like too) is pretty questionable.
Reminder
>>750680031Shame about the awful writing in these movies.
>>750675185>you have to answer my bare conjecture with a bibliography!!!please refrain from posting until you aren't retarded anymore
It's upsetting how much potential 3D Sonic has if SEGA stopped being retarded and invested in momentum and parkour instead of always doing stupid boost shit over and overMeanwhile fans are taking 3D Sonic to where it should've went decades agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QmlUt2Rrtc&t=52s
>>750676070I have and it’s fucking awesome but as an actual game, SMW clears.
>>750680462>Every Sonic fan-game has high FOV and complete camera anchoring on the 3D Sonic model>Every fan game has a ridiculous amount of air-time and floaty physics>Every fan game just goes fast non stop and make Sonic glide across all the terrain>Every fan game has camera turning with the mouse requiring you to aim like an FPS to land the platformingThis isn't what Sonic is meant to be.
>>750680196They'd be twice as watchable if they had less interracial romance.
>>750680731You don't know what Sonic is meant to be.Nothing you listed is a problem if good level design which actually compliments the gameplay is present, which is where majority of fangames fail.
>>750680738It's paramount. Everything about those Jeff Fowler movies are jewish. The TV shows with knuckles even gave it away outright, where Knuckles becomes a member of a jewish family and eats traditional dinner with them.
>>750671661No retard, most anons here don't think Sonic's 20 years of legitimate kusoge are the h-bomb simply because a movie turned it into every 8 y/o's favorite t-shirt brand.With that said, Mario staying in spinoff hell for the last 10 years isn't too great itself.
>>750682887I'm not retarded, I don't have any Nintendo systems.
Mario, because Nintendo was wise enough to split the series in two, while Sega tried to replicate the genesis games into 3D and they failed to do so. >>750670656This is fair actually. However 2D Mario vs 2D Sonic is a close race.
>>750670370Reminder that the second-biggest reputation Sonic has as a franchise outside of having a super-autismo fanbase is the fact that most of its games are shit.
Sonic's game are so abysmal dogshit that sheer furfaggotry and autism are the only way they've somehow made it out of the 90s. Holding right isn't gameplay and the 3D games are barely better with their janky as fuck controls and retarded mechanics.>muh Adventure!Dogshit.
twitter screencap threads are so awesome
>>750683031Congrats. Now drop the midling furry franchise and you'll be getting somewhere.
>>750670370ME!!!
>>750675947Yoshi hasn't been cool since 1995.
>>750670370this isn't even a contest. Mario clears so easily that even its spinoffs can go band for band with Sonic. Sonic's character design and willingness to take risks are the only things I'd but above mario as a series. The problem is sonic often does the dumbest shit imaginable. Meanwhile mario can coast on being boring, well polished mediocrity with some gems tossed in sometimes
>>750670370Sonic is beloved on v. The pedophile who shall not be named is just lobotomy, the worst thing you can do to a child.
>>750674801This but the other way around.
>>750670370>Constant mediocreness or a mix of shit and kinoYep, I'm thinking Sonic is better
>>750684939I wish Paper Mario kept up with the distinct characters kino instead of beating everything with the generic stick.Regular Mario games don't lend themselves to OC creation (which is where Sonic shines), unlike the PM games.
which one has better porn?
>>750686301I'd say they're equal, that one you can debate.
>>750686301Mario does, unfortunately. The princesses are just too good, and if you're not a furfag, all you have on the Sonic side is like Elise, Sage (which is based), Maria, and maybe some of the human characters from Sonic X if porn even exists of them.If you are a furfag though, it's Sonic everyday. It's a goddamn all you can eat buffet.
>>750686301mario, unless you're a furry or a pedophile
>>750670370Considering Sonic exists in 2026 as repulsive meme, the answer is obviously Mario. I was pc gamer since the start, but I enjoyed things like witwix stream playing Mario maker. The games had depth and appeal. Sonic has... crappy theme and crappy american movie.
>>750670405Kirby is somewhere in the middle with a pretty good consistency.
>>750686301Sonic hands down.>>750686618Why are you gay?
>>750670370Sonic has had higher highs but lower lows.
>>750686301Mario, unless you're a furnigger or homosexual.
>>750687734>Why are you gay?are there even any women in sonic
The knee-jerk reaction is Mario, but iunno...I fucking loved Frontiers, shadow generations, and I put in a ton of hours into crossworlds (And I'm going to put in more when the new patch hits)Mario's games never really hit the same.
>>750675008Okay. Name a better 2D Mario game than Sonic 2 and Sonic 3&K
>>750683031>i'm not retarded>is a fan of the furry franchise that is the literal posterboy for donut steel oc faggots and autists
>>750670370Mario by far.
>>750686301Both seem to have those really shitty 3D porn makers where everybody has those hyper exaggerated bodies that just shit up the character tag.
SMB > STH1STH 2> SMB2STH3 > SMB3SMW > SCD Adventure 1 = SM64Adventure 2 > SunshineGalaxy > UnleashedColors > Galaxy 2Generations > 3D WorldOdyssey > piss > ForcesNext 3D Mario > Frontiers
>>750688331Also 3D Land > Generations 3DS I guess? There aren't enough 3D Mario games to compare
>>750670370sonic has no good games
>>750670370historically mario but in recent years sonic
>>750670370Sonic has higher highs, but SUBSTANTIALLY lower lows. Mario has a higher average and median.Generations>Every 3D Mario>Every other 3D SonicS3&K>Mania>Mario 3>S2>Mario World>the rest kind of blur together
>>750670670>... How the fuck is this a real question? Sonic has literally never once had a good game.Because any retard can put together a string of words and other retards will give attention to it? Who would win in a no limiters fight, a sentient lawnmover or a horse sized duck with a dog's brains?
>>750670370Sonic Rush >>>>>>>> New Super Mario Bros
>>750673002Fun Fact: The Sega Saturn and Gameboy Advance both have something in common, both had no new killer app Sonic or Mario game, just ports of existing games.
>>750670670The original version of generations was the only good one
>>750675781Yoshi is more of a baby franchise than even Poyo Kirby
>>750686604Rouge and peach angry double glove handjob
>>750678129She can tell me “Trick or Treat smell my Feet” and I would happily do both
>>750678398Peach?Roll?Amy?Which is the best and why?
>>750679607Rouge must’ve given Amy some of her Secret Formula
The only truly great Sonic games are Adventure 1 and 2. Heroes and the boarding/kart games are aight too
>>750680016Human Centipede (first sequence)Texas Chainsaw Massacre: Beginning The Scary Movie series
>>750670370There's one good sanic game and three good mario games.Mario wins.
>>750680031Can’t. Bust. Nut. Without. Trailer…
>>750670370Overall, I would have to say MarioBut it's been a long time since either of them had good games
>>750680462Let it be known that this is the first time that all 14 of the main playable Modern hero characters are playable in a somewhat normal Sonic game (even though it’s not). All of these characters are 20 and over years ago, can’t believe it took so long.I’m hoping they make a 2.5D game like Advance or Rush with most of them if not all of them playable (with multiplayer races of course). Make unlocking them like Advance 2 or Advance 3, basically just meet them while you’re playing the game.I’m maining Charmy and Big in this game until my dream 2D Modern Sonic game comes out.
Never understood the appeal of 2D Sonic games, even back in the 90s.You just go right, then up, left, up, right, down, right, down, left, up, and right to beat the levels. You're not even going very fast because of the traps/enemies.
>>750683670Kek I will never stop posting this
I love sonic but Mario mogs him
>>750684939Can’t argue with that, Mario transitioned well into the RPG genre smoothly (with three different styles) while Sonic fumbled it so hard we are STILL waiting for another proper attempt at a Sonic RPG.>>750685519Also this.
>>750689928>Alive, unfortunately
Both suck ass.
>>750686301I’m gonna take a wild guess that Rouge and Peach have the most results out of any female in their respective franchiseAnd for the opposite I’m thinking something like Captain Syrup and Shade the Echidna have the lowest amount of results since they both haven’t shown up in over a decade. Somebody do this research now.
>>750670656>Shadow has much higher peaksAnon shadow generations is reheated storylines from 25 in a reheated remaster from 15 years ago.That may be a peak to you, but its firmly below Mario which isn't trapped in the 90s/2000s and who's developers actually have new ideas.
>>750688780>Sonic has higher highs>GenerationsLmao
Why would anyone say sonic has higher highs? Even at the best parts of presentation in adventure or 3&k, the gameplay isn't particularly great......
>>750670370Well, you know the saying "sonic was never good"...
>>750670370Obviously Mario. Sonicfags don't even play their games. They'd rather watch cutscenes on youtube and read comics.
>>750689928Roblox is one of the most played games on the planet, meanwhile LBP is dead. This world is sick.
>>750686301Has anything spicy been made with the Switch 2 rips yet?
>>750671801Sonic has 2 great games and a dozen middling games.Mario has consistently been amazing. There are entire console generations without a bad Mario game. Why don't you tubgirl yourself with your nasty ass comments.
