5 more days until MMO's are saved
>people paid 60 dollars for thislollmao
>>750669093Poor moment
>>750669093It's free with a WoW sub.
>>750668762Is this worth playing? I missed out on classic but I'm now finally in the perfect spot to waste my life Even with blizzard being a dog shit company and all the paid shills, I imagine they couldn't have fucked up the fun base experience that much.
>>750669349if you enjoy the classic style world and combat mechanics, you will feel pretty familiar with forever. there are some QoL features and spells from TBC and WotLK, but overall the feel of the game is still very classic. if you are a diehard "no changes" person, then this is not a game for you
>>750668762Yeah
Marketer-kun, is pally really dog shit? People say warrior is better for aoe farming now. Wtf that was the only strength of pally.I miss ascension wow.
>>750668762I wish I could have this for mabinogi
>>750669735Pally is OP now
>"i rolled on a pve server!"
>>750669349This is the time to start since it hasn't been minmaxed and solved by autists yet
Should I play this if I never played wow before but have a lot of free time?
>>750669735they just reworked paladin again 5 days before launch and giga-buffed it
>>750669093It's free to play dumbass
>>750669879Yep, gonna enjoy leveling in peace while participating in PvP content whenever I want. Feel free to play on the "have my time wasted by other men" server to your heart's content.
>>750669326>>750670053Notice how I used the word "Paid" as in past tense, meaning I was talking about the fucking betaHoly fuck you niggas are illiterate
>>750669326>It's free with a WoW sub.It's not free then you retard.
>This time it'll be different even though it's being managed and developed by the modern day troons at Blizzard!The state of you coping boomers.
>>750669326>It's free with a WoW sub.I post with these people.
>>750670105when your wife closes her eyes shes thinking about me
>Hey guys it's just WoW Classic except now they are ruining racials and "balancing" shit that's been balanced for over a decade get HOIYPPPPPE!
>>750669105Blizz cattle lol
>>750670304>retard normalnigger has cuck fantasiesPathetic
>>750670216/thread
>>750669879asymetric pvptrannies seething people ignoring them so they cant camp low level players is always hilarious, if u werent doing this u wouldnt be mad about shitters rolling on pve, if u cared about competing u would be playing mostly symetric pvp competetive games.
>>750670437Poor moment lol
>>750668762Blizzard took a shot at Pirate Software in an official video for WoW Forever, which is pretty funny. https://x.com/N_Tys26/status/2116273349018231207
>>750670381>classic>balanced?
>>750668762The game is not even out yet and it is already following in the direction of retail. All these changes they keep making are retail coded...
How did the French manage to make the best MMORPG of 2026?
>>750669093I paid quite a bit more actually
>>750671072
>>750670734>asymetric pvptrannies seething people ignoring them so they cant camp low level players is always hilariousthats not how the game works. /ignore doesnt prevent another player from killing you
>>750670169Then why does the balance in my bank account not change whether or not I play it?
>>750669879>next open pvp mmo with more than $5 budget is fucking star citizen>should be pretty stable by 2037, just in time for me to go from being young and able bodied to some chronically ill boomer due to bad rng 5 years from nowWhy is it like this?>>750670105Just get better at the game and you'll die less.
I'm playing TBC for the first time year and it has been my favorite expansion ever so far. Let's see if Forever is any good.
>>750671251>next open pvp mmo with more than $5 budget is fucking star citizen>should be pretty stable by 2037, just in time for me to go from being young and able bodied to some chronically ill boomer due to bad rng 5 years from now>(reddit space)>Why is it like this?i literally have no idea of what you are asking. is this how people communicate now? is it just standard practice to write a whole bunch of words that look and sound like they would mean something but when you actually read or hear it its just a jumbled mess of nothing? like wtf am i reading? what the fuck are you asking?
You guys think Hunters will get more invites than Rogues in pve?
>>750671567pointless question
>>750669093lol they did that but I didn’t do that so I find it funne
>>750670734>not learning to resource gather on pvp servers>not solo ratting pvp areas meant for parties by just being better and doing gorilla warfare on the zerg guilds' handsless players>not dressing up like a new or casual player with shit like transmog + just build choice and then mogging people who attack you 1v2 / 1v3 because you actually play the competitive mode at a decent levelAsymmetric PVP is fun from both the advantaged and disadvantaged sides. Also serves for devs creating high income areas with great loot, where 50/50 success rate with some efficiency still pays well. It's good stuff.
>>750669326Me too :)
>>750671437ESL?
>>750671610Why?Normally Hunters get more invites but there will be more hunters in general and they don't have Misdirection like they do in TBC, while the Rogue has Sap.
How the game would look if it was actually designed by AI
>>750671610I agree let’s rape his ass lol
>>750671643thats 1% of it, most games are not designed around those type of encounters and just end up being frustrating because 99% of events are the usual noob getting spawncamped at the start of the game.
>>750668762the MBAs will find a way to fuck it up with intersectionalist feminist bullshit or by flooding it with microtransactions but it may be fun for a few months or so before that happens
>>750670123that's not how english works you fucking third world nigger
>>750671834does it really matter with mega servers? youll get invited no matter what
>>750671907why would anyone want ai generated textures? i grew up playing with the SD visuals and i am more than happy to continue using them
>>750671695i excell in e. s. l. myself personally however i dont have dyslexia im not a retard
>>750671986I think leveling where you just stand no chance based on level + gear rarity and limited importance of raw mechanics plays into this.In like an FPS MMO with believable damage its less of an issue since the basic assault rifle will still catch a player body with a good burst.I see asymmetric / open PVP as an alternative path to endgame loot that can stand side by side with raiding. "Here's a highly rewarding area or just a part of the game that's a lawless shithole. No rules outside TOS, have fun."
>>750672170I thought i was fine with it as well until I saw the water and the new Warcraft 3 campaign and realized they actually could make it look better.Here's higher quality pic.I would actually love it if they made it look like on the right. But obviously with today's blizzard all you are going to get is the middle.
>>750672413>with today's blizzard all you are going to get is the middle.again, no. i will be using the SD textures on the left. i have no desire to look at ai upscaled textures or the abhorrent retail slop
>>750668762you're welcome.
>>750672413The humans are outright terrible. Orcs just suffer from a bad case of sameface.
>>750672163Well... there are other things to consider that make me nervous. War Tanks are not going to want to invite a Rogue for UBRS sword farms, etc.
>>750672110It literally is how it works through.Nice larp though, Rajesh
>>750672617doubt anybody would try to min/max such faceroll content. but we'll see
>>750672782first time playing wow?
>>750671248"People" like you must be why everything is subscribtion-based now.>It's free!>But I pay every month
>>750673303subscription*
>>750673303I'm confused. So then my wow retail subscription went down in price?
what the actual fuck
>>7506690938 million people paid 50 dollars to play the beta. Blizzard made at least 400 million dollars for a beta.
>>750673021Been playing since 2006 and currently 95 parse in TBC Classic. If I went by your logic when my parses were low due to our guild being subpar I wouldn't have ever invited to another guild....
>>750674008>>7506740688million characters created =/= 8 million unique players
>Can't go Horde on pvp because of ((imbalance))aaand, it's dead
>>750674091that's not what i was getting at. i am saying you are foolish if you think people won't carefully curate group invites to ensure they have zero/minimal competition for their loot. either that or the big ticket items are going to be hard reserved
>>750672519>i will be using the SD textures olol retard
I think MMOs are a dead genre if a remake is what it needs to be saved.
>>750674215>posts retailslopretard
>>750674195Ah ok, I misunderstood your post and you do have a point. But still, you'll be invited to the groups anyway and eventually it will drop and you will get it. Nobody is going to hard reserve items unless they are "extremely" rare like the DST or Verdant Sphere in TBC.
>>750669093did people unironically pay blizzard to test and bug test game, and now all their progress will be erased at launch?
>>75067409195 parse lol i regularly parsed 99. if i didnt parse 99 it was a bad run. normies on here proud of their 95 xD
>>750674161you can half that and it's still an insane amount of people
>>750674356The SD models use the retail skins
>>750674215Yes, the retail models look like trash.
What is the correct choice here?
>>750674448Sure. 99 means you are better than 99% of players of that class on your server. Are you playing something like boomkin who nobody else palys by any chance? Anyway, my point was that in the old bad guild that I was part of I was parsing only 50-60. Which while terrible is ironically is still better than how most players who played back in 2004-2010 did.
>>750674574I love how they couldn't just use the vanilla models they already had, they had to ruin them as well by Frankensteining them onto the retail bones, the sd models look like complete ass
I always play ranged dps in every game. I've only played Hunter and mage in wow. Should I roll warrior or will I hate it?
>>750674717>on your serverwrongbut yes a good guild will improve your parses due reducing kill times
>>750674753No more warrior stacking in forever, apparently. In Classic they'd be stacked for raids so that you could cheese a lot of content since they were OP dps. So nerfed. But maybe the gameplay will be fun.
>>750674843And getting innervate etc. since I'm an arcane mage which I wasn't getting prior.
You WILL join the rest of us in the PvP realm, right?
>>750674978>raid OG>be wiping>run out of the main entrance>switch layersah... the true pvp experience. nah, prolly going pve unless my m8's dont want to.
>>750674716normal if normiepvp if neet
>>750670105> have my time wastedyou're playing the time-wasting genre of the biggest time-wasting hobby and you're complaining about wasting your time?
>>750675281Me leveling my character, gathering materials, and running dungeons is something I choose to do because I am interesting in those activities. Me forced to wait around because a group of PvP retards has decided to camp me or my party members making our way to an instance is not appealing to me. Thankfully, I don't have to deal with that at all and if I do want to PvP, I always have the option to participate whenever I want.
>>750669879Not only PvE, but the RP PvE server. Why on earth would I want to interact with the rabble (picrel)?
>>750671907Column 3 looks far better than 2.
>>750672519Ok have fun my guy. For those of us who want hd textures, right looks better. This conversation isn't for you. Christ.
>>750669879Yea. I'm not a NEET anymore.
>>750674161Yeah I made like 4. Only played one.
>>750674716PvP. Only because the less of you there are in PvE or RP the better.
Anyone got any idea what this red glowy crystal in the barrens is for? I don't remember seeing it before.
>>750671907this is why im not against AI. AI is better than the trannies and sjw soibois that work in games right now. Objectively speaking, unarguably.
>>750674978imagine playing this boring ass game on a PvE server.>NOOOO I MIGHT GET HECKIN KILLED BY A PLAYER 1 LEVEL HIGHER THAN ME AND GET A 3 MINUTE CORPSE WALK!the only people who play PvE are girls and old people who click their abilities. I played PvE once and it was awful, my brothers gf would only play pve and so i made a character with thim. Dealing with some fucking mage AoE grinding your quest mobs while you can do nothing about it but wait for them to finish is way worse than being on the losing side of a fight for the rights to a spot, or dying to a higher level.
Yea I work 50 hours a week. It's not fun or realistic to play pvp when your time is that limited. Not only is it wasting your time but you will pretty much always be at a disadvantage because you'll be lagging behind.I played pvp as a NEET and leveled to 60 multiple times. It was ok but ultimately nothing i'll miss too much.
>>750668762xivtrannies are in shambles
>>750677492>Dealing with some fucking mage AoE grinding your quest mobs while you can do nothing about it pve is the real game. get good. be a man and steal the tags
What class does he play?
*crickets*
>>750678258Uuuh. Is this thing on?
>tumbleweed rolls across the dead thread
>>750678258Gnome Mage.
>>750676919>for those of us who want ai generated slop, right looks betterthankfully people like you aren't in charge of making decisions and we'll never see this trash in game
>>750674716PvP for fun, PvP for hell.
>>750677492>waaaaah abloo bloo bloo boo hoo WAAAAAAAAHWhy is every single insecure pvp retard post exactly the same? If you want to play pvp then fucking play pvp. You insulting everyone who doesn't enjoy your shithole gankfest servers isn't going to suddenly make them want to play with you. Grow the fuck up, you fucking toddler.
>>750678829tranny post. Makes sense because this is a tranny game
>>750679052>posting in a tranny threadshut the fuck up, tranny
>>750678258Dwarf paladin
>>750674716If you plan to play horde and can get in, pvp.Absolutely don't play alliance on the pvp realm, it will be like this in a few months, guaranteed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctn-tKXx4Sw
>"people" actually playing on pve serversThe raped
>>750679664Now that horde racial aren't just objectively better it probably won't be so bad. These guys just wanted to join the winning team.
>>750679664Were there no BGs?
>>750679907>nooo you have to get raped by me on the pvp realm! get back here!!!!
>>750681150Your axe wound is bleeding again.
>>750681183>you're a tranny if you don't let me corpse camp you!I'd say "nice try" but it's really not
>>750679907I leveled on a pvp private server and I have absolutely no desire to ever do that again. Even with everyone being on equal footing now, I'm already behind with subhumans developing tech to exploit sharding/phasing and god knows what else.
>>750679907Pussy is too scared to flag for pvp on a pve server lol
Are hpals still dog shit after yesterdays talent changes or are they looking better
>>750681602paladins got buffed thanks to the 5 points getting reduced to 3. the only "nerf" is that prot paladins dont have infinite mana anymore
>>750677112Also i don't think i've ever leveled a Tauren but has there always been a Centaur camp in Mulgore?
>>750681602They're improved if your preferred healing playstyle is "press only one button and targeting only the tank for the entire raid". If you want to press other buttons or heal people other than the tank then they were nerfed.
>>750679907i remember in BFA when they added war mode I stubbornly decided to keep it on 100% of the time, and then what happened was Nazjatar alliance hub became a Horde hub because it was farmed literally 24/7 and that shitty robot gnome zone had at least 20 Horde bounties on the map (they killed like 10 Alliance without dying) so it was unplayable too. so yes alliance pve players are basically rape victims
>>750681762>If you want to press other buttons or heal people other than the tank then they were nerfedhow exactly? oath of light is an increase to single target and pic rel helps with non tank healing or am I reading wrong
>>750679907>PvP Server>On WoW ForeverLayering absolutely breaks the PvP Ruleset. If you're playing on the PvP Ruleset, you're playing on a fundamentally broken version of the game.So, no, I will not be playing on the "get ganked by people camping the zone borders" version of the game, thank you.
>>750677492Wow. I hate doing stuff with girls. I'd much rather take loads up my boy hole.
>>750672782is this a troll? people absolutely reserve items in dungeons or tailor groups so they dont have any competition
>>750682316Holy shock has horrendous HPCT so unless they also increased its spell coefficient or literally doubled its healing then that talent doesn't even come close to making holy shock worth pressing.
>>750683367how else do you heal a group other than lights vigil and holy shock
>>750682094>alliance pve players are basically rape victimsThis isn't true in retail anymore. Everyone and their mothers are playing nelf and dwarf because shadowmeld and stoneform are the most broken racials still left in the game
>>750669349I don't think so. I went from insanely hype to basically only playing because I already have a sub. Every single update they've done just makes the game worse and worse and its not even out yet.
>>750682392>abloblooocoping bitch
>>750683097Maybe something like DST, but tier bonus or random other drops? Don't think so. Also Alar or even the Amani mount doesn't really get HR'd either.
I hope they add tinker and dark ranger
>>750678258Undead rogue. He is also telling the devs to kill themselves on twitter because undead buffs werent enough and that they are ignoring rogues and they are gay.
>>750668762Reminder that nothing has changed at Blizzard to warrant having any faith in them not ruining Forever. It'll start out okay because it's using vanilla as its baseline and it's hard to fuck that up, but every subsequent update will slowly make the game worse until it's just another retail. They're already fucking it up with changing the genders of characters, removing emotes, over-moderating the game, giving us blue retail elves, and generally not having a fucking clue when it comes to balance. I don't begrudge anyone for playing this as the MMO scene right now is in dire straits, especially after Ashes of Creation exploded, but don't delude yourself about what is going to happen with this shit.
>>750684708Was definitely true from like cata to sneedolands. Now that factions dont really matter no one has any reason to care and just pick the pretty ones or the one with the best racials for m+
>>750677112Thats the spot where you gollect zebra meat summon raptor quest. I don´t remember seeing crystal in beta. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDEwJ0VcXqI>>750681756Always have been there
>>750672110>he doesnt know past tense word worksHoly smokes you are showing your skin too much saar.
>>750669349I would say so, only on this shithole will you see people like>>750684723saying things that can be disproved with a Google search. They released stats this week and very likely near a million players logged into the Beta. The beta cost money, there will be far more on launch day. Now will it last? I dont know. But so far the QoL upgrades and class updates and have been great, along with really nice new content. I despise minmaxxers and streamer faggotry so I am joining RPPVE for a chill experience. Right now it has way more positive reception than any of the other Classic releases. Season of discovery I think did well? I didnt play it, but this is sort of a mix of that and classic.
>>750677492>while you can do nothing about itnever aoe levelled as a mage? just stun or slow a mob out of the group when he's doing the pull and it will fuck him up
>>750686714>changing gendersare they just changing vendors, which is stupid, or something more egregious like re-imagining if malfurion was a woman
>>750668762So i learned this shit has a cash shop. How is that classic?
Never played vanilla or classic past free trial. What's the easiest class to get to 60 for a shitter mouse clicker
>>750687476Don't bother, this is not the game for you
My father is excited for this and I have mixed feelings on it.On the one hand I hate blizzard for shitting up retail too much for my tolerance, on the other he’s very stressed a lot of the time and seeing him so excited for it is such a nice change.
>>750687476Hunter
>>750687454It's not classic, it's forever
>>750675281This shit is why I hate dadgamers. What kind of fucking retard chooses one of the slowest progression genres in gaming, and then complains it will take them too long to advance? It's not like they need to rush to endgame, they just want it to be fast and easy to the detriment of the game because they're lazy and impatient and want to keep up with the no-lifers. I saw a blizzard interview on youtube about this shit and the motherfucker asked how they're making the game easier to level, for fucking classic of all things.
>>750687546Forever shit, it looks like.
>>750687620and yet here you are, attracted to shit like the fly you are
>no high elvesDon't care lol it'll die just like every other "classic" venture.
>seal twisting is every 3 swings now I can live with that
>>750686714>They're already fucking it up with changing the genders of characters, removing emotes, over-moderating the game, giving us blue retail elves, and generally not having a fucking clue when it comes to balance.Damn, you are really grasping at straws here. I'm not very optimistic of the game either but you should've even tried.
>>750687805I'm here to laugh at it and anyone playing this. What are you here for?
>>750687919cope
>>750687952that's fair. I'd be coping as well if I was still playing wow after seeing all this shit.
>removed breast jiggleWhy would you give this company money in 2026
>>750668762>saved>doing the exact same shit that wrecked them foreverNope.
>>750687593>What kind of fucking retard chooses one of the slowest progression genres in gaming, and then complains it will take them too long to advance?Because there's a part of the game that isn't like that, and because they're right to complain about it. You are a faggot being milked for subscription money.
>>750686759>best racials for m+Which again are shadowmeld for pack skips and stoneform to get rid of deadly bleeds and poisons. Nothing else even comes close to those 2
>>750688301the entire premise of mmo's is to force you to be social with others and make groups. the long leveling times and forced groups for dungeons is to force this behavior. Retards like you are why mmo's are dead and shit. And in classic of all things where leveling is half the journey.
>>750671072For most people on this board, that's a week of income minimum.
>>750668762How do boomers keep falling for this game?
>>750669093I actually paid almost $200. Sucks to be poor anon.
>>750672617>I want to play an MMO but not with a guild of people that genuinely want to play with mengmi
>>750668762Evercold doesn't come out in 5 days though...
>>750668762>5 days left>Rogues still cuckedThat talent rework is coming any day now
>>750688405>keep falling for a game>first time this version of the game has ever existed everHow does that work anon?
>>750677492I PvP in the sense that I make PvPers seethe and kill themselves IRL by playing on PVE.
>>750688430Nobody plays rogue on the dev team so it will remain unsatisfying.
>>750688471That's cause the entire dev team are basedboys and women. Not a single rogue chad.
>>750682316>oath of light is an increase to single targetThey took out blessing of light which did the exact same thing and could be cast on the entire raid. It's literally just a shittier BoL with HS thrown in. You people are pants shittingly retarded.As for boundless light, holy shock's healing is hot garbage and, again, you don't have blessing of light anymore meaning all your healing spells do less on anything but the single target you have oath on. Illumination is also still greatly nerfed. Holy paladin essentially plays the exact same as a FoL bot just worse than OG.
>>750686857I don't remember seeing it either but it's there now on https://coldensjo.github.io/ClassicWowMapExplorer/
>>750688383That guy specifically complained about pvp gank squads wasting his time you mouth breather. When you wash your car would you get mad if someone randomly threw a bucket of mud on your car?
My friend is paying my sub so I can try it. I typically dislike MMOs because from what I've played of them, they're babypiss easy; you just do your rotation correctly and kite if you have to and don't be a retard.What's the hardest most big-brain Horde class for PvE? Something that has creative player expression and has to make split-second decisions. Pic unrelated
>>750670221I mean there *are* people that only play WoW (grim) and for them this is literally just a bonus that comes with retail/classic subscription.
Beta goes down, release a string of the patches that makes everyone question your ability to actualy helm the project. Its amazing how quickly they fucked it up.
Something I've never understood, why 22 years later are there only like 5 BGs on rotation in the game? How hard can it be to just crank out like 50 of them, one for every contested zone. Maybe I'm the outlier and most people just want to be masters of one map, but I would prefer a ton of maps you rarely replay
>>750671046I think it's hilarious that Blizzard is mouthing horizontal progression when they have no clue or proper stat system to fit it in. Meanwhile Dofus has had horizontal progression for years.
>>750689350too diluted, would spread the population too thini would like more battlegrounds too, but can't have too many
>>750689350every bg they've made since vanilla has been shit so having to crank out 50 would create some true garbage
>>750689807>>750689935Yeah but I don't even mean completely new ones, but make 5 versions of alterac valley but in different zones, make 5 arathi basins in different zones.
Post you're names
>>750668762I hate interacting with people in video games theyre all fucking stupid.. so im gonna play as a rogue and gank Grey horde all day. im gonna poop sock gank and live stream it too. it will be glorious.
>>750669105>performative spending
>>750691084>He bought
I SAID I HATE INTERACTING WITH OTHERS IN VIDEO GAMES GIVE ME ATTENTION NOW
>>750689006There really isn't any. If you want to do split second decisions then PvP Rogue is where it's at.
>>750691267Hell yeah I did! The beta was a lot of fun with my husband. We were playing mop classic but decided to play around on forever :3Names are also region locked even across rulesets so I am the only NA Touch Grass. Gonna be a druid
>>750688383That is the practice yes, but what is the allure? OG WoW was made in a very specific way in a specific time period where it was played by very specific demographic with a very specific mindset.
>>750672596It's almost like there's a department in Blizzard whose sole job is to meticulously go through every single game asset and make absolutely sure there is no possible character customisation that would look assertive, sharp and dominant.
>>750688591>They took out blessing of light which did the exact same thingwho the fuck used blessing of light?
Vanilla was fun because it was not streamlined. Retail is boring because it is streamlined. Retail is fun because of the mechanics. Vanilla mechanics are boring dad gamer crap.Forever wow is basically the streamlined design of retail with the boring mechanics of vanilla.My brother is super excited about it. i was kinda excited too, but the closer it gets the more im dreading having to spend 5 hours or more a day to level up with the group of friends/fanily to keep up, and the more I just want to play a different game instead. My family already paid for my sub time though.
ban blizzfaggots
>>750669105>>750670847tranny subhuman trash moment
>can solo majority of the game>no incentive to group up to kill mobs>no comfy exp parties that last 3-4 hours>no goblins or high elves or anything from turtle that made it amazing despite taking turtle downDO NOT GIVE LONGDALE'S CABAL MONEY DO NOT GIVE LONGDALE'S CABAL MONEY DO NOT GIVE LONGDALE'S CABAL MONEY DO NOT GIVE LONGDALE'S CABAL MONEY DO NOT GIVE LONGDALE'S CABAL MONEY DO NOT GIVE LONGDALE'S CABAL MONEY DO NOT GIVE LONGDALE'S CABAL MONEY
>>750691482STICK to getting stretched by your husbando, do not give these zionists any more money, vote with your wallet, play private servers, reject modernity, reject paying the wages of vibecoding purple haired subhumans
>tfw you know you would be a better game dev and class designer than the wow team
>>750669879Time and energy is limited.
>>750679907>the rapedWhat is this ESL babble and why are jeets so keen to use it?
>>750668762buy an add jeetshill
>>750691719yes, they are called jews
>>750688383>the long leveling times and forced groups for dungeons is to force this behaviorThis was literally never necessary, and it's not why they're there, because they weren't there in Ultima which had zero (0) difficulty in getting people to play with each other and interact. They were there because it would make you spend more time on content that took them much less effort to make.
>>750668762will I be able to try it out for free?
>>750688383>the entire premise of mmo's is to [waste as much time of yours as possible] and [force you to play one way]Yeah, thanks for admitting you have a narrow idea of what an MMO is.
>>750688412I do want to play with a guild. But it's not like they will be in desperate need of rogues.
>>750668762I literally cannot imagine being the fucking loser who instead of just continue to play WC3 started playing WoW and is still playing fucking WoW and getting fucked in the ass by Blizzard on the daily.
>>750694035It's a bit weird they gave us invite a friend code that allows people to play for a week on launch for free... But normally blizzard already allows you a week to try wow for free.Maybe they disabled it for Forever.
>>750695386phew good thing i played wc3 a couple years after playing wow
I'm going to play the fuck out of this game.
Why would I ever play on a PvP server? It's not even fair most of the time and there's no counterplay for level differences. It's not like a dark souls invasion for example, where it can be fun and add danger but also reward you if you win, it's mostly just completely one sided stomp from an overlevelled player in a newbie area. The pvp realm players ARE the dad gamers like "hell yeah bro don't be a pussy! get on the pvp realm" meanwhile they suck at every normal pvp game in existence
>>750695386You're really overexaggerating here, not everyone stayed for the raping. I started with WCIII and left during Cata because it was the obvious point of no return. I'm going to try Forever because its a promise of a return to form, and if it goes south I simply quit again. This is exactly what I've been asking for and Blizzard is finally doing it, so it doesn't hurt to put my money where my mouth is and not just be a mindless brainrotted hater for the sake of it. $15 is not a lot of money to at least give it a fair shake, though I imagine I might feel differently if I stuck around for the full rape of retail
>>750674716Depends on your frustration resistance.
>>750695871You don't need to. Feel free to play on pve.But every example I've seen where someone is stomping low level players is then followed by people coming to help and then corpse camping them until they run to the city or log off.I still remember the dwarf hunter that came to annihilate the troll mage that was ganking lowbies in STV. He then got attacked by 2 more 60s and he killed them all because us lowbies were healing him from behind trees. He then corpse camped all 3 of them until they ran away and didn't return.It has it's ups and lows I guess.
anyone else gonna take it slow as in explore, level, help others and give 0 fucks about rushing to 60 or raiding?
>>750695935>left as soon as the game got hardJust say you got filtered shitter >mindless brainrotted haterThat's exactly what you were for quitting when the game got good to fit in with other shitters
>>750696241>followed by people coming to help and then corpse camping them until they run to the city or log ofThat won't work well with layering and sharding. Same as "hop on your main and counter-gank him" since you might spawn on a different layer.
>>750697712No one thinks this. Cata was the full send into mindless baby mobile shitter game
>>750668762Is it worth getting into this game if I have never played WoW before? I play OSRS but I want to take a long break from it
>>750697678me
>>750699008It will probably be the best time to try it, so yes.
>>750698761Objectively falseThis cope died in 2019 when everyone saw what a giant fucking joke classic was compared to every other version. Cata was a massive difficulty spike which is why shitters hate it
>>750668762>removes shockadin>remove all the fun little things/items/interactions that are ""unintended"">no shaman tank>no lock tank>no rogue tank>no mage healer>butchers shamans>trashes the leveling curvebased blizzchads taking a final big fat shit on the classics andies forehead one last time before move all the company resources to retail
>>750699162>>no shaman tank>>no lock tank>>no rogue tank>>no mage healerthese were retarded. sod was a fucking mess
>>750699098Back to retail zoomnigger. Forever axed your world buff cheese
Look its fine if you want to play on PVE but as a PVP I reserve the right to call you Bitch Made, Pussy and perhaps lowest of all "noob".Picking PVE is an automatic admittance to the fact that you are bad an an aspect of the game.
6 more.I have 0 faith that it's playable on the 4th, I expect it to come up, servers to explode and go down after about 1h, stay down for another 3, then they open it up in a very staggered way for the (((usual suspects))) to get in first through whitelisting, then queues work.The fact they couldn't even figure out fucking name reservations proves they're not ready.
>>750699224sod was the real classic+retail devs did everything they could to sabotage itthey know they are on a hot seat
>>750699224>these were retarded. sod was a fucking mess>NOOOO YOU CAN NOT HAVE FUn!!
>>750698479Well blizzard did confirm on the last podcast that layering logic will apply to opposite faction as well. The more you interact with them the more likely they will stay on the same layer as you.But the example I told was on the anniversary realm which already had layering. Usually what happens is that people who are getting ganked just invite the high level to their own party so they come to their layer. If enemy layers and they still continue to gank then can be followed to the new one.But in practice level 60 aren't that keen on asking people to layer them in lowebie zones because they are essentially admitting they ate dirt.
>>750699162based schizo mourning the loss of something that never was in any way real except in his head
>>750699301I'm a retail chadI'm on blizzard's sideI won
>>750699348But Blizzard put retail on the backburner to be the designated shitting ground of cash shop sIop to milk mazed retailfags into funding Forever and focused all their attention to appeal to classic chads?
>>750678258He doesn't
>>750699237Retail is also way harderNoy surprised youre shitter ass cant handle it
>>750699162>>no shaman tank>>no lock tank>>no rogue tank>>no mage healer>>butchers shamansGood.Back to SoD trash you go.
>>750699285Then go to a SoD server and have fun
>>750700520shouldnt forever also be fun?
>>750700270based retail- thad
>>750668762FUCK OFF
>>750700746no, forever should be antifun just like retail
Its insane that in 20 years no one has made an MMO even close to the quality of vanilla WoW.
>>750668762t
>>750699162>>no shaman tank>>no lock tank>>no rogue tank>>no mage healerThank God for that.
>always the same image>always the same OPwhy don't the jannies do anything about this paid shill general?
>>750699257PvP is going to such a nightmare on launch. There will be people everywhere. I enjoy the occasional world PvP, but doing it constantly is exhausting when I just want to turn in some quests and move on. I’ll roll my alt on PvP like 2 months from now.
generals for dead troon games belong in >>>/vg/
>>750700925why is less content good?
>>750674574Still don’t know why they turned fem gnomes into gigasluts but I’m not sure I mind fuaaaark bros…
>>750701087mom & pop company blizzard has extremely limited generations to do anything that isn't importing class design from retails (previous iterations of retail)another aspect of the game would have had to be sacrificed for this. please understand
>>7506932463-4 hr xp parties weren’t a thing unless you kept dying in stromgarde. The moment the next quest in the series was a “collect 20 foreskins with a 1% droprate” people dropped group because the reduced mop xp would make staying grouped retarded. They should at least up quest drop rates if you’re in a groupThe only exception might be timbermaw rep grinding groups, which can go on indefinitely lol
>>750701074xiv thread isn't up go make it
>>750701524>moviegame out of fucking nowhereblizztroons still buckbroken by an ERP chatroom LMAO
>>750701574>saying this hours after the JP fanfest literally floppedxivvie-kun, I....
during the beta i was harassed constantly for being blue.
>>750701640tell me more about this game you are so obsessed about that you pay attention to its fanfests, xivvie
>>750668762>MMOs will be saved!>by the people that killed them!o i am laffin at blizztroons. you'll get exactly the type of game you deserve.
>>750701741XIV sucks tranny dicks now, nothing else to say. I'm not following your schizo shill campaign against WoW no matter how many layers you try to hide behind.
>>750700947this is nothing compared to overwatch
>>750669326>it's free if you pay for it
>>750677492Except the AoE grinding mage is from your faction and you still can't do shit, clown.
>>750699801KEK retail is brainless infinite resources simon says press the glowing button for welfare epics sIop. Theres a reason youre all jumping ship from your dead mobile game to forever
>>750672413HD orcs look so fucking bad
>>750668762>same game from 2004>mmo's are savedhate murricans
>>750677492there's close to a 50/50 you can't do shit about that exact same scenario on a PVP server because the farmer is on your faction tho. Actually quite a bit higher when you factor in how only a portion of zones are truly shared questing areas.
>>750702091>t. raped and gape xiv tranny can't think of anything to sayEmbarrassing.
>>750702091>3rd worlder tries not to randomly seethe about their superiors challenge: Impossible
there's a lot of curry smell in this thread
>>750702021retail is literally 100x harder than vanilla
Fire Metzen.
>>750702263100 x 0 is still 0
It's a good foundation. But it all depends on whether they go full retard and make the same mistakes as retail.
>>750699801>playing chess with a pigeonAnyone who says "retail is easy" isn't talking about M+ and Mythic raiding and they haven't played retail in at least 10 years anyway. They're simply not talking about the same game you are and there's no point arguing with them.
>>750702304>But it all depends on whether they go full retard and make the same mistakes as retail.it's modern blizzard, of course they'll fuck it up.
>>750670734Its fun as long as you dont get mad when someone better turns up and shits in your mouth
>>750702263Its literally not, they just have to jam more arbitrary sloppy gotcha raid mechanics to make up for everyone literally getting free epics and having braindead rotations lmfao
people who are afraid of PVP are people who are afraid of challenges and struggles. They do not know the excitement of having to play stealthily to avoid enemies, or to do in-game guerilla warfare. Or do to a ballsy move and to fight people heads on. They do not want the full experience the game can offer, they want a sanitized version because they are afraid.
>>750701789>nowmask off moment
>>750669093>>750668762Didn't Wow classic already release? What is this, an even gayer version?Which reminds me when I was a kid we had this 45yo dude in our guild and I was friends with his son (who was also in the guild). Damn that guy is like, what, 60 now? bit over that?Not uncs but gramps playing the game.
>>750687826The developers were super mega obviously teasing the next races to be high elf for the alliance and ogres for the Horde. The Sky elves were probably more a cope to have some kind of elves in the Horde since there won't be any blood elves.
>>750702325>99% of the game is braindead easy>But look! This specific difficult content is difficult!
>>750699098>Cata was a massive difficulty spike You do realize you're talking about the most popular MMO ever? You do realize everyone and their mothers and even their grandmothers and their dogs played this game? You do realize every single person in this thread knows you're full of shit?
>>750702552>ogres for the Hordeno they weren'tthe polls pointed towards, which was later confirmed in an interview, it was going to be helves and belves until metzen (faggot emasculated by his daughter) told them to """go wild""". and the same creative geniuses that brought us "water that you can walk on" in shadowlands invented blue hue-shift elves.
>>750702503>The pvp in question is usually gank squads preying on greysLMAO
>>750702503what does ANY SINGLE WORD OF YOUR POST have to do with Xxmcstabbyxx who is just sitting in redridge mountain all day only engaging people 40 levels below him and mysteriously vanishing into the aether the picosecond someone at level cap shows up?
>>750702841The guy who pasted that IS Xxmcstabbyxx who is just sitting in redridge mountain all day only engaging people 40 levels below him
>>750702667Not same anon but the game literally has some brand new horde-aligned Ogre faction in one of the new zones. I think it's obvious they are coming.
>>750678258dwarfs. every single time you saw dwarfs are based it was a fuckin chud
>>750702970yeah right. i'll see it when i believe it. maybe after two more batches of elf and dwarf recolors since that's all they can do now
>>750702965>>750702841>>750702691PVP is never always this, this is just one possible scenario, and literally nothing is stopping you to protect the lower levels when you are high level.
>>750702503>afraid of challenges and struggles.Bro, I have a gym membership and a mortgage. I'm good on that shit, I'll just make progress in the easy boomer game rather than being your entertainment.
>>750703158>This much delusionLMAO
Personally, I think trying to escape higher level players is actually pretty fun. It's not optimal at all, it can take time, yes, but it's fun. I like the adrenaline.
>>750703227We get it, you like being a cuck
>>750703158>literally nothing is stopping you to protect the lower levels when you are high levelyeah there isi get there and wow what do you know there's no more lowbies being attacked. so i leave and oops Xxmcstabbyxx is back terrorizing lowbies againstealth classes are a mistake. simple as.>>750703227good luck escaping anyone 40 levels above you dumbass. they have a mount, you don't.
>>750702557You know, you're so close to understanding the real reason why retail is shit, but you're too retarded to actually understand it and too autistic to care anyway.
>>750702430it literally is>actually more mechanics that make it harder dont count as harder because....uhhhhvanilla is a literal joke, you lost shitter
>>750697678I've done that with almost every variation of wow, that I kind of want to try hardcore raiding. See if my assumption of it being gay social cliques and turning into a scheduled job is true.
>>750702667the platinum wow video made me appreciate them more, they do got some interesting lore which can be turned into future content ie 2 other sky islands and wind element stuff
>>750674496Half it two more times and you'll maybe start to approach a realistic depiction of the actual player count. You could only play up to level 20 in the beta, and every wow player has 22 years of experience to know how to get from 1 to 20 in a single day, and leveling in Forever was even faster than usual.So you can bet your ass tons of people probably leveled like 10+ characters over the course of the beta obsessively trying every race and class at least once.
>>750703958>know how to get from 1 to 20 in a single daylmfao you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about do you
>>750702552If they add high elves now they'll look completely redundant and stupid right next to the sky elves on the character screen, especially considering the sky elves can just have normal skin colors so you'll have two basically identical races on the same faction.
>>750703958Hello, is this the slow burn, chill retirement home version of WoW vanilla?I'd like to SPEEDRUN TO LEVEL CAP
>>750703958A guy went viral for levelling every class, most people ain't doing that most people levelled maybe 2 characters and you're a retard if you think people are levelling to 20 in a day
>Play on PvP>Arbitrarily deciding to leave some people aloneIt's fun right outside a dungeon with a full group though, we pretty much kill on sight and don't wait for the go-ahead. Then after setting some people back to a far-away graveyard (Blackfathom Deeps) we just comfily zone in and continue on with our lives. I full except to be on the receiving end on occasion tho, we just stomped ally during beta without much of a struggleI think the only time i died was once heading into deadmines (Graveyard quite close)
>>750704224the legacy system literally gives you account-wide rewards for leveling one of every classshut the fuck up
>>750704183You don't understand bro.I NEED to level my character as fast as possible so that I can start doing endgame raids as fast as possible so that I can collect all the gear as fast as possible so that I can start complaining that there's nothing to do as fast as possible.
>>750668762>giving activision money in the current yearmind broken addicts
>>750703158>literally nothing is stopping you to protect the lower levelsVanish.Prowl.Layering/sharding.
>>750704289not on beta they gave you the points for free
>>75070422420 in a day is pretty easy to nolife
>>750671072I did too but i'll probably just resell it later
>>750704475I still haven't opened mine because someone will probably 10x it in a year. If not after that then I'll crack it open.
>>750704439No it isn't maybe like 2% of the population could do that, blizzard released stats said it takes the average person 20.4 hours to get to level 20 and 15 hours is considered super sweaty
>>750704682so what you're saying is even an average person can do 20 in less than 24 hours
>>750704725people aren't playing the game for 20 hours straight you retard are you a real person
>>750704334Giving Activision money at literally any pointHell, giving Blizzard money at literally any point; all their notable work came from Blizzard North
>>750704761nolifes do it all the time
>>750703958>and leveling in Forever was even faster than usual.People are actually leveling slower in Forever than in era according to blizzard, probably because of professions
>>750674716I always liked the idea of a pvp server but literally every time in every expansion I try it and it's just shithead ganking every time. No fun duels, no rival guilds, no southshore vs tarren mill type thing. Every single time it's just being forced to log off for like an hour while you wait for a group of level 60s to stop camping the quest hub you need. It is never fun or intetesting just strictly an inconvenience.
>>750704817The upper tier nolifers play for maybe 12 hours per day, if someone is playing for 20 hours they have ascended from nolife to godhood. And this is not representative of the average WoW player
>>750704960Didn't it cost at least $30 just to try the beta? A beta where all your progress will be wiped at the end anyways? The kind of person that would pay that much just to try the game knowing it will all be erased is already not the average wow player and much more likely to be an obsessed addict.
>>750705315>Didn't it cost at least $30 just to try the beta?60 dollaridoos. or 10 dollars of food waste in australia for anyone with a brain
>>750704854Yeah the "fantasy" of world PvP is way more exciting than the actual reality of it, which is just gank city. There's a reason guys who demand PvP in games are just gankers as soon as they actually get it.
>>750705315Why do you feel like access to a beta is your right? There was a chance you could get in your free by just opting in by the game is decades beyond relying on randoms to test their game.
>>750705479no you're right it's much healthier for the game to only allowed hyperloyal cultists into their gamedumbass
Im still not entirely convinced how is this worth a brand new, well, "brand"?>New race-class combinationsokay I guess? Im not one of the folk that wanted to play an undead paladin or orc mage so whatever>Classic regions, but there will be a couple different mobs and quests here and thereCool, but is it enough?Can someone blue pill me on this?
>>750705315i think it came with a couple beta access keys i got to play the beta for free because guildies were handing out keys, wow fags will throw money at the game but that doesn't necessarily mean they no life play it for over 10 hours a day; they're just basic consoomers
>>750705568>"umm blizz? you MUST make the beta version for your game open and FREE for all">*gets DDOS'd by 10 million brazilians and SEA monkeys, numbers that they don't even need for actual testingMakes perfect sense if you're a deranged pserver dev that's made the past month his entire life's purpose trying to shill against WoW forever.
>>750669735Paladin is god's favorite and modern blizzard hates masculinity, as a result playing a warrior is a humiliation ritual.
>>750668762WoW killed MMOs, though.
>>750705692retardyou only got invited to betas if you had an active subscription. also they weren't given out in anywhere near those numbers
>>750702667Goblin CHADS WE'RE GOING HOME
>>750705579it's going to be the same old >everyone speedruns to 60 to raidlog, gets bored after a month or so then quitsAnd we all know it. Hell a good chunk of the population is just following the streamerfaggots who are also just going to shill it for a month and then fuck off to the next FOTM as will their dickriders. They don't even have any plans for any PvP type shit other than a new BG which is a literal clone of EOTS with a coat of paint. At least SOD had something going with those world pvp events even though they were poorly structured. Basically this whole thing is going to be a trainwreck. Screencap this and I'll see you all in a few months
>>750699162Christ Almighty that is basedI might just buy the game
>>750669093>>750704475SameI'll claim the digital codes and resell the box with the dust collector, it will unironically pay for itself
>>750705315They gave out so fucking many keys you had to be a retard to not get one. They also handed them out like candy if you just signed up on the page.only retards put money into a BETA.
>>750705809You're making a retarded argument by implying that blizzard has to run a beta accordingly to your arbitrary rules, rather than them deciding how they could get the number of people to test it. You're a deranged XIV troon or a priviate server troon. Forever already won and you'll seethe endlessly about it.
>>750668762It's sad to see EA think 4chan cares about Wow of all things
Is combat rogue actually good in wow forever or is it still the same trash class as in retail?
>>750672596That's amazing
>>750705982Rogues are VERY 'meh' at the moment, along with Ele shamans. They've gotten the least amount of attention/changes. This is despite the fact that the devs flat out said "they're going to be the top dpsing class"
>>750706169Good to know, I won't make the same mistake again and invest my time in a class the devs don't give a fuck about
>>750706169Just to play devil's advocate, is there any chance that we see items with abilities on? Or unlockable abilities via class quests, that we don't yet know about?
https://wowforevertalents.com/patch-notes/What the FUCK are they doing with druid?
0. Less than 0 in fact, they want to have lots of horizontal progression based on the beta, where you have like 3 or 4 sets of shit to gather to more effectively beat specific groupings of mobs, and will probably have to switch between pulls in raids.
mages cant aoe farm anymore?can shamans throw the slow totem and fire totem? Would shaman work instead?
>>750705847nta but you're right that it's most likely going to be a trainwreck. wow players don't want horizontal progression, they want the gear treadmill. mmos only truly work if you have chase items. if your mc loot and naxx loot have the same stats other than one having "50 damage vs elementals" and the other having "50 damage vs undead" then that's not the same. players aren't excited for their bis pants for doing ud strat.
>>750706243Smart call. This is coming from a fella who mained rogue on season of discovery. My biggest regret.>>750706357Your guess is as good as mine. I know Engineering has some neat stuff. but that's not just limited to rogues. There's a legacy talent that makes it so your abilities that require vendor bought regeants are free to cast without them, so like Vanish not needing flash powder. That's about all at the moment
>>750706494Making it not retoilet. Nothing wrong with those changes.t. Tauren Druid
>>750706169funny how this exact same thing happened in vanilla where blizzard declared rogue and shaman working as intended and let them rot for the next 3 years
>>750706169>>750706775>rogue and shaman are my two favorite classesSeriously considering not playing forever at this pace
I wonder if they'll bring warlock's green flames to forever. I really love that little questline, it's really really cool to get some nice cosmetics and some exposition, no power needed, just cool cosmetic.
>>750706775I get the sneaking feeling Forever is gonna be WoW learning how to WoW from first principles in a lot of ways they weren't intending.
>Dwarf paladin>No add-ons>SD models on>Transmog off
>>750706903Cosmetics tied to difficult challenges was an awesome idea. Green fire was the best implementation, it immediately let you knew the warlock is good in the most flashy way possible when it was a new quest line.
>>750707247It's the only time skills have ever been modifiable, too, no?It was such an amazing thing when it first dropped, and I always hoped they'd do it for more.
>>750707331I think there were some glyphs that allowed you to change how some skills looked. Not sure if those are still in the game or not. They weren't as impressive or obvious as green fire though.
>>750672519> t. autistic man
>>750705924>random ass boogeyman out of nowhereIt's amazing how much Blizzard cultist discourse is just them accusing you of being boogeyman, thus making discourse impossible.
Pvp server is purely for edgy teenagers and browns.>gank low levelers>gang up on people playing aloneDishonorable shitskin behavior. White people with principles don't do this>or get ganked yourself>>750679664Wow looks like fun wasting all the time sneaking and corpse running, not killing or earning anything.
Tfw my old buddy who ghosts me half the year finally responded to me and it was about possibly rejoining for wow forever. I told him about it and now theres a chance we might dick around together again. Uneasy feeling because I dont want to throw away a bunch of my life playing it
>>750707763this is why people need to cut contact with their blizztroon "friends". they are crackheads who only care about you to keep them company in the crackhouse
>>750707697I don't see how anyone can play WoW with PvP turned off. The game is brain dead easy and there is zero penalty for dying.
>>750699258No but seriously. Blizzard has been in this business for two decades and they still run into this fucking problem.
>>750678258he is asian, so he's playing skybornehe's a chud though, so he's not happy about it
>>750707697>playing as a group is shitskin behaviorlol gitgud
>>750679907>The rapedActually that's not allowed on pve servers, they are the only ones who aren't raped
>>750668762>>750669105>>750669326>blizzdrones being this delusional
>>750706519indeed and it's going to be made worse too since Blizzard clearly has no intention of banning the botters/RMT shit, plus we all know eventually they're going to offer boosts/wow tokens
>>750707905it isn't turned off though, you just need to opt-in to it, many people walk around flagged on pve servers
>>750708071That's PvP turned off. You can walk around horde players and are unattackable if you choose.
>>750669879Only two types of people are excited to roll on PVP servers1. People who have never played PVP servers2. People who ruin PVP servers
>>750707905that's exactly why nobody bothers. it's just a waste of time for everyone involvedyou should be able to take items off people's corpses.
>>750679907Hehe anon, you won't get me that easy
>>750706169that's because rogues are fine. Of course, I doom elsewhere so all the shitters stay of my class and I get to enjoy all the benefits of rogue without the class competition in PVE this time.
>>750679907>p-please play on the pvp server i need people to gank, i'm begging you on my knees!nah
>>750668762the raped male returns to be raped again
>>750705847>Screencap this and I'll see you all in a few monthswhy do I care, retard? If I pay 15 bucks a month and get 3 good months out of it with my friends then it was fineWhen it crashes and burns I will leave. Are you a zoomer, looking for the Eternal GaaS to use mom's credit card on for the rest of your life?
>>750705847and? 15 bucks for a month, maybe 30 for two, months of fucking around is still a way better experience than whatever the fuck kind of slop every other developer is putting out>b-but this is reheated slop toook and? wow is the entertainment equivalent of comfort food for an entire generation
I have always wanted to do a shadow priest (priest was my first 60 in original WoW but I rerolled to mage right after at the request of my guild) but I'm not sure about picking a class with only 1 DPS spec. I've never healed in WoW and I am not sure looking at raid bars sounds any fun if I want a change of pace.
Do you think they'll add something special for christmas event like how OSRS has something different every single year? Or just the usual Grinch in cave with dumb toy under tree. I really hope they give the holiday scene some of that plus factor
>>750708558>grr i hate healing i don't want to heal>i know! i'll play the class with two healing steps
>>750708679we'll get more rehashed shit straight from retail and maybe a pride event instead because xmas is problematic
>>750708686>retard nigger who can't read makes a retarded postwow I am shocked, how could this happen on 4chan
>>750708558i remember in nostalrius i was a shadow priest and my vampiric touch or whatever it was called was healing the dungeon groups so much the healer didn't need to do any healing, that memory makes me want to play shadow priest again
>>750708881I don't think they give back as much mana as they did then now, but 15% spirit per group is not bad, and means raids might take more than 1Then again, they might get The Druid Treatment™ at any time now
Give me undead hunterGive me troll druid
>>750708558just play a warlock. with 3 dps specs at least one of them will be viable, if you play a priest chances are you'll be forced into the healcuck shed more often than not if you actually want to play the game.also leveling a priest in vanilla is miserable, not sure if forever will change thatt. ex-shadow priest main
>>750708990I played lock in WotlK OG, Pandaland, and Classic so I kinda want to move away.I also think warlock is being gassed up by Reddit atm and these Elite PVPers™ are going to have a rude awakening with the glut of hunters and paladins, and the usual 10 billion warriors.They got Demonic Circle for a reason and I am not so sure I would like to go back playing one without it. Not saying they will be bad at all; just that I want to see how Reddit Dads handle being trained by melee
>>750708990Mana issues for leveling as shadow priest was non-existent for me in beta. When we get shadowform, it'll even be less of an issue.
>>750708558your options are shadow priest (but you're a heal cuck in raids) or Warlock (you're the utility summon everyone cuck).Warlock gets a free mount at 40. They are good.But Shadow is good too.
>>750709140this>>750709125ironically, wand leveling as priest is way better than most casters after the spell change cuck chair
>>750708990>if you play a priest chances are you'll be forced into the healcuck shed more often than not if you actually want to play the game.This is a good point. If you want to do end game on Priest you will most likely be forced to heal because everyone wants to be the shadow priest but there's not going to be enough spots to allow that.
beta players, can you still aoe farm dungeons?mage at ZF zombies style?
>>750709187>wand leveling as priest is way better than most casters after the spell change cuck chairi'm gonna need elaboration because from what i'm hearing sounds like forever gutted all casters, and as a caster lover this may keep me from even bothering with forever
>>750709294No, 4 mobs tops. Paladin does it better now.
>>750707915Everyone does, because it's done on purpose.It's a marketing play. "Holy shit there's so many people they TOOK OUT THE SERVERS!"They somehow always have the hardware hooked up just not turned on to handle these massive loads within 8-12h of this "server takedown", so it was just sitting there and they deliberately want to make the game seem larger than it is.It's marketing, plain and simple.
>>750709302you have to get like Wailing Cavers blue geared up to match old spell power levelit's fucking dogshit, not sure how it pans out after 30 obv
>>750709294you get fuck all xp from dungeons, most of the xp comes from the one-time dungeon quests.they really don't want mages boosting people in forever.
>>750709294No, they gutted dungeon EXP. It's not worth running a dungeon more than once for the quests because they give shit EXP.
>>750709125demo can tank melee but hunters are going to rape everyone
>>750708719My spirit cannot rest until we get a jolly fat red santa suit boss that throws exploding wrapped presents whilst impaling players with sharp candy canes with gingerbread men nibbling at our toes
>>750709325>>750709357>>750709386damn that sucks. Understandable though.Was super fun to pull off those big AoE pulls.
>>750709479best i can do is the yeti boss in alterac
>>750709294no. there's no point because dungeon give no xp outside of their quests + they gutted the slow debuff on mage
>>750708225How is it a waste of time?
>>750708225We had that on ascension wow.Blizzkikes killed that so they could put out their woke disney version of classic+.
>>750709738wilderness in OSRS ? did it work similarly?kinda on note, they should add a wilderness type area with boosted shit and always pvp on, at least for the pvp realm
>>750709690because you just waste time fighting over who gets to waste even more time corpse running? you don't even get gear damage from dying in pvpit's not that deep bro>>750709738i don't care about pserver slop i'm not brown
>>750709524When i played on "classic fresh", the meta was already solved and if you were a mage and you weren't the improved blizzard spec for both aoe leveling and doing dungeons, you were actively trolling yourself and everyone you played with.I guess Blizzard didn't want to have everyone pigeon holed into having to play the game in a way they might not find fun, especially when Blizz tried to make arcane and fire more viable for leveling. That's on top of obviously wanting to kill boosts. Kinda sucks because STV is going to be fucking packed when Scarlet Monastery no longer being the ideal way to level in that range. The PvP server is gonna be crazy.
>try and play WoW >try and actually get into it this time>UI is an absolute cluster fuck with a hundred different icons >drop it
>>750709909You drop a chest when you die if killed by another high risk player, and it randomly selected gear to drop. You could pay gold on insurance to make your gear not drop tho, and they would get something else I forget. I didn't play with it on much really.
>>750710089Just go to Desolace and grind there bro, they added Gelkis and Magram rep, I'm sure the rewards won't be a clown suit.
>>750710089>STV is going to be fucking packedI thought the range they were targeting to add new quests was specifically early 30s-40s though, it may not be that bad. I wish the beta went to 40 since they had said that.
>>750710089yeah, depending on how bad the aoe nerfs are, might still try the zf graveyard specifically. Pulled it off on a warlock so even if mage slow is worse it should be doable. Might be terrible exp though if its as gutted as people claim.Big shame, doing big aoe pulls were a ton of fun.Shame people care so much about being optimal and best etc.
>>750710174you control the addons you install
>>750668762poojeet shills out in full force today
>>750710174the UI is as intuitive as it gets, imagine being this stupid
Subbing for first time since BFA to try this out. Won't be playing skyborne. Gonna play horde on pvp, im a terrible pvper but I also think PVE is lame when you see enemy faction and cant do anything. Hope I dont stay subbed longer than 2 months ill unironically be mostly playing at work because I have a job that allows me to sit on my ass on my computer for 60% of the shift>>750689350Youd never get enough players to run the unpopular BGs
>>750709435yeah, hunters going to be popular like never before in this is why I am really unsure about going mage. I love the class, but it doesn't do great against this new hunter, 5-9 kiting aside. I might do boomkin or feral, even rogue is on the table. Can feast on bad hunters
>>750710331lot of people on the streets there in Mumbai, Ranjeet? Thanks for the update.
>>750692737>retail is fun because of mechanicsNot to me, what mechanics
>>750697678I probably wont hit 60 forv3 months assuming I keep my sub. Leveling is the part of wow I love, I have very little raid experience in the years ive played (mostly back in Bc and wrath)
>>750692737my entire friends group wants to play this, and they're all NEETs. i just know i'll already irredeemably behind by the first weekend. i JUST KNOW they're going to start doing dungeons without me and because dungeon xp is ass they'll refuse to do them a second time with me.this fucking sucks. i want to play but i just don't have the life to spend all day in front of the pc anymore. i'll be driven to quit not because of the game itself but because i cannot be fucked to find a new friend circle.
>>750668762It's just like Classic but for brown trannies
>>750699162Soulless drones responding to this, probably lifelong retail players
>>750697678mostly, yes. Though i'm looking forward far more to bothering people in RP. Not that anyone will actually RP.
>>750710174Lol, what games can you manage?
>>750710916Your friends suck. I took a week off and I'm going to jet past my friends, but I will always come back to run them through stuff
>>750679664This is unironically a skill issue tho, There's like maybe 10 horde players at a time on screen. If alliance players grouped up even once they could easily destroy them one by one and move one.>b-b-but then horde players would group upToo late you're already in the raid by that time.
>>750710916Not only was my time off denied, I'm working overtime so I won't be able to play until the weekend of the 7th. If I EVER have to make a new group from zero because "no thanks bro I already did that dungeon", I'm alt-f4ing and uninstalling on the spot. the entire reason I'm even playing nu-blizzard garbage is because the gang is back together again and if I'm not playing with them then i have no reason to play.>just find another guild broNo thanks, I already fell for that shit in classic after they inevitably get bored as well as other MMOs I've tried, I just end up just reaching level cap with an empty friends list in guilds full of people who don't talk (outside their preformed cliques).
>>750710286>depending on how bad the aoe nerfs areyou can only hit 4 enemies at a time with aoe spells.
>>750708963>>750708881>I don't think they give back as much mana as they did then nowVampiric Embrace gives no mana in Forever, only healing. They said that they didn't want Shadow Priests to be mana batteries.
>>750712368not really are of effect then
>>750709302>>750709354
>>750712651lmaothe devs really just want everyone to play paladin and nothing else
>>750712651i imagine that at max level, the scaling will fix itself but lmfao.
>>750704012hows the math workout with me being in the 91st percentile and creating 13 characters, most of these i must have just hit ESC on the intro cinematic cause i only remember playing 3
>>750702263>mythic+ which 1% of the population play is harder than classicNot the statement you think it is, the normal game that people play is way easier
>>750712591>Dark Inspiration causes your Mind Blast and fully channeled Mind Flays to grant you and your party members 15% spirit (stacking or building up from 3% per stack/effect for 10 seconds)
>>750669093You only need a sub what are you on about? It's even f2p with a code you can find anywhere on the internet for launch week.
>>750713261>spiritwow it's fucking nothing
>>750713348>he doesn't know
>>750702503Anon has it right, pvp playthrough is way more of a journey
>>750713348spirit is good now
>>750713348retard
>>750702503in reality>100 horde outside wailing caverns attacking you all the way from ratchet, the the cave full of elites to the instance portal>100 horde outside RoL killing you as you try to run in>100 horde outside of SFK killing you as you try to run in>100 horde attacking you as you travel to RFK and RFD>100 horde outside scarlet monastery killing you as you try to open the doors>1000 horde inside blackrock mountains so you have to ask for a layer invite that alliance controls>stunned and takes 10 dots while you zone out to reset the dungeon>level 60 rogue one shotting you at nesingwary camp>level 60 rogue one shotting you up the hill in lakeshirei've rolled pvp in every iteration of wow and when i actually stop and think about it, i dont find world pvp fun in 90% of my interactions because its just ganking. duels outside of sw or bgs feel 10 times more rewarding
>>750712651The problem is that with Season of Discovery you had pretty much every class being retardedly broken OP at super early levels, such as Hunters having explosive shot that was 1-2 shotting same-level mobs until they nerfed the balls out of it. I suppose they're trying not to make this the same case, but also trying to find the middle ground where it's not a copypaste from classic seeing as this is supposed to be different from classic. But they're not able to find that 'just right' point so they're basically just floundering around and have no idea what to do at this point.
pvp or rppvp, lads?
It'll be great for a little bit, but over time it will go from 99% classic to 75% and lower and lower until the quality rapidly dips every update and then its just another retail clone.Blizzard will eventually fuck it up, it's guaranteed
>>750702503Nobody is "afraid" of pvp you absolute fuckwit. Does the idea that people prefer co-op over competitive gameplay go completely over your head or something?
>>750714009ok so? just drop the game when it goes to shit. same as classic when kept going into TBC.
>>750713905Getting to level 50 zones is when things get worseWhen you roll up to felwood or winterspring at level 51 trying to kill quest mobs, its full of level 60s farming who see easy pickings and someone who is taking their mobsYou cant stealth to avoid them because the level difference makes them see you from 20yds away and you cant escape because they have 100% mounts when you dont
>>750714130>You cant stealth to avoid them because the level difference makes them see you from 20yds awaymore now if they're human, using the cheap pots, or took the +2 level stealth spotting perk for the account wide shit
>>750714130>ou cant stealth to avoid them because the level difference makes them see you from 20yds awayAnd that doesn't even take into account the legacy perk that increases your stealth detection
>>750713905You forgot to mention that Horde get a free teleport into Gnomeregan.
>>750714267>>750714293It's actually laughable how trivialized stealth is becoming. I can't believe anyone is even considering making a Rogue
>>750714368I'm still going one because it'll have to be addressed if it's as dumb as it sounds, but yeah
>>750714368stealth lasted one expansion before being nerfed into the ground in tbc
>>750714368as someone who didnt play the beta, what did they do to stealth? Its just useless?
>>750714512if you run at someone head on while they are actively aware of your presence, they might see you like .5 seconds sooner than they would before
>>750713934depends, do people in wow actually RP?
>>750714368Lockpicking for me. Can make some decent tips just standing around in Org, plus I can mail all my lockboxes to him instead of looking for someone else
>>750674978>that fucking gigachad alliance just charging at 6 hordes to save his waifu kino image
>>750713905PvP servers worked because you could hide in dungeons to level if need be. That's not the case now, either quest in a group or get camped by people that are.
>>750710916>My friends won't help me because they get nothing themselvesThose aren't friends
>>750714512I dunno about stealth specifically but rogues didnt get anything new and werent a threat in pvp in the beta anti poisons were also dirt cheap so as a human hunter you can racial trinket the opener, cleanse poisons and they'll never be able to close the distance
>>750701668that's awfulyou should be ceaselessly harassed for being a sky tranny regardless of skin color
>>750714575>>750714512This is the Legacy talent that every character can get.
>>750710174which one, retail? you can customize it but yeah the game is very overwhelming at first, especially if you start with a level boost
>>750714708yes, i am aware. i am also aware that players have 0 stealth detection when approached from behind, as has always been the case. the only time having increased stealth detection has ever mattered is when you already know there is a rogue nearby and also what direction they are approaching you from. this is the biggest nothingburger issue ever, but of course people who don't play the class or game will flip their shit because "uhh wow that sounds bad o algo"
>>750714895>"uhh wow that sounds bad o algo"I don't speak Italian so I don't know what this means, Luigi
>>750702503What part of "layering breaks world PvP" are you niggers finding hard to understand?
Never played a tank before, you think people will be annoyed if I don't know routes and stuff? Playing on EU if that makes a difference.
>>750686759You can do cross-faction things now?
>>750715115There's going to be so so so many new players that it doesn't matterAlso, tanks are Gods in the group, if any DPS mouth off to you, kick them and insta replace them with the 25 waiting outsideWhen I get a new tank I offer to show them the way if they want and if not, well, it's their show
>>750715115Some assholes might be impatient but most people won't have any problems especially if you just say at the start that you're new.Most dungeons are pretty straight forward and won't be an issue anyway but some dungeons are kind of mazes so I suggest looking those up. Gnomeregan, Sunken Temple, Maraudon, Blackrock Depths are the ones I'd suggest looking up but you won't have to worry about the earliest of them (Gnomeregan) until you're like level 30.Taunt if a mob goes on the healer. don't panic if one mobs goes on a DPS, most can tank it and if not have an ability to deal with it.
>>750710174>a hundred different iconsTalk about an exaggeration, and that's coming from a Warlock main. Guess this isn't the game for an ADHD baby like yourself.
pvp servers are going to be absolutely unplayable unless blizzard layers the absolute shit out of them at launch
>>750668762I don't get the forced and artificial hype surrounding this product. Doesn't blizzard release WoW Classic pretty much every year and has been doing so for more than half a decade as is?
>>750715441yeah but what an experience it's going to be
>>750715441It's funny because layering is one of the biggest issues currently, especially since they insist on this whole megaserver shit. The beta was a shitshow.
don't megaservers and layers defeat the purpose of classic, where you can bump into players over and over again in the open world?
>>750715640Redditors don't know what they want. If they launched the game with 5000 niggers in the Durotaur and everyone was sliding the fuck around looting a boar for 10 minutes like OG Blackrock the modern game would shit and piss themselves to death
>>750715717You're asking too many questions. Into the milking chamber you go.
>>750715784>parroting the same lies the California DA did that were all proven to be falseI'm noooticing
>>750715717(supposedly) that's what they're trying to aim for though, some algorithm or something that makes it more likely for you to encounter people you've grouped with, people from your guild etc. Take that with a giant chunk of salt though, because... well it's Blizzard
>>750715115depends how retarded you are, 1 dungeon run should be enough for you to know where to go.
>>750715717What megaservers? It's all smoke and mirrors.
>>750715717That still happensOn the beta I saw the same guys over and over when I was fishing in high level zones over many days and said hello oftenThey also added the blue name shit so it highlights people you grouped with recently in the world
>>750715784>>750715864what ever became of that whole thing anyway? did it turn out that it was just some random worthless whores making false accusations trying to make a quick buck off a lawsuit?
>>750715961yeah, the press memoryholed it because it was the state believing a bunch of shit without proof and it made everyone involved look incompetent
>>750715961The goal was to pozzify Blizzard and they succeeded. What else is there to it?
>>750709541Ian pls
RP-PvP chads, where we at?>less sweats and spergs>generally better economy>people enjoying the game instead of playing it like retail 2.0we're going home
