>Revisionism has saved resident evil 5/6>Revisionism has saved the prequel trilogy>Revisionism has saved Cyberpunk 2077>Revisionism has saved Dead Space 3What gives? How come Mass Effect 3 didn’t inspire a new wave of “it was good all along chuds” sentiment the way others have? Was Mass Effect 3 really THAT bad? More people hate mass effect 2 than love 3.
>>750666912>>Revisionism has saved resident evil 5/6re5 was always good, re6 was always bad and no one likes it>Revisionism has saved the prequel trilogyno it didn't they're still dogshit and no one likes them>Revisionism has saved Cyberpunk 2077*updates and patches saved cp2077>Revisionism has saved Dead Space 3no it didn't, still dogshit and no one likes it>How come Mass Effect 3 didn’t inspire a new wave of “it was good all along chuds” sentiment cause it's still dogshit
>>750667046> *updates and patches saved cp2077but it’s still not a very good RPG as was originally promised.
Yes it was that bad.It killed the franchise.Only loner plebs don't like RE5. It is one of the all time greatest co-op games.
I'm pretty sure mass effect 3 was mostly considered fine up to the ending.I also liked the multiplayer.But the ending was SO bad it casts a shadow over everything else the game does.
>>750666912>RE5/6We got better games as time went on. Even then they weren’t bad games from a pure gameplay perspective. Just not RE.>Prequel trilogyMovies had a different unique direction and endless supplementary content. Gen Z grew up on them.>CyberpunkZoomers are goyim who fall for anything with cute anime girls and mediocre gameplay. It got more content.>Dead Space 3Contrarians and no one caring.The big reason why most of these succeeded is they had follow up media and kept going. Mass Effect’s only follow up was a shitty game that no one liked that had ugly characters.
>>750666912>>750667046>>750667149Cyberpunk was good from day 1, consolebabbies
>>750666912With a hundred mods me3 is okay
>>Revisionism has saved resident evil 5/6Still considered the worst of the series. 5 was always seen as a flawed game with good parts vs 6 which is just bad.>>Revisionism has saved the prequel trilogyBy being not as bad as the nu trology? Everyone still agrees it's measurably worse the original trilogy>>Revisionism has saved Cyberpunk 2077An anime did. 90% of the reviews for CP2077 were just 'lol omg edgerunners so good, 1.2hrs on record'>>Revisionism has saved Dead Space 3According to who? Dead Space 3 is by far the worst of the trilogy and no one denies that. Maybe people nostalgic for the series as a whole killed by EA but not for Dead Space 3As for ME3 it was never seen as bad game until nu-/v/ 'every game is shit' mantra took over the board years later. Not as good as 1 or 2 but still a great game. No one would care for the controversy of the ending if the rest of the game was shit.
>>750667448> Cyberpunk was good from day 1, consolebabbiesNo it wasn’t. Bugs or not, it’s a bad RPG. Lifepaths don’t matter.
>>750666912None of this is true unless you are some kind of retarded normalfag
>>750666912it s good because i installed mods that changed the ending lmao. the crucible activates straight up and reaper niggers die . the end
>>750666912>How come Mass Effect 3 didn’t inspire a new wave of “it was good all along chuds” sentiment the way others have?Guess you somehow missed the faggots crying about Bioware's death praising this game
>>750666912>How come Mass Effect 3 didn’t inspire a new wave of “it was good all along chuds” sentimentBecause zoomers, the worst dogshit evil in human history, can do more to ruin things like they're compelled to do by cooning for Mass Effect 2, the far worse game that actually killed the franchise.
>>750666912I've been hearing around that ME3 is actually a decent game, it's just the copy and paste endings that gave it a negative reception.
>>750666912the ending was subpar but becoming a machine God and making Harbinger your bitch is acceptable.
>>750667842>it's a bad rpgHeavy RPG mechanics make games worse for anybody that's not literally autistic which is the vast majority of people. It had just enough roleplay mechanics and great gunplay, top-notch story, fun characters and multiple endings.
>>750668083This would be nice in principle but that’s not what CD Projekt Red promised. I’m not against having a random loot shooter with a cyberpunk aesthetic over it. The problem is lying to your consumers and setting a worse precedent.
>>750667195>I'm pretty sure mass effect 3 was mostly considered fine up to the ending.There were serious problems. The stupid fucking dream sequences, the various brown fags now on the Normandy, and everything about Cerberus, especially the stupid fucking space Narutos. 3 wasn't nearly as bad as 2, and held the important parts together until faggot Lawson fanfiction derailed the entire game the instant you set foot on Horizon, but it was still markedly worse than 1 in keeping any consistency to the setting and tone.
>>750668010Zoomers were like 6 when ME2 came out. ME2 was beloved to the point /vg/ was created to avoid /v/ becoming half mass effect threads every time ME3 news dropped.
>>750668083>switches description of the game from RPG to Action RPG 9 months before releaseCheap fucking trick, RPG mechanics weren't stripped because it was wise, they were stripped because they run out of time.
>>750667842It's a fine RPG, you fag. If you don't like it gb2 >>>/tg/ and leave the vastly superior medium and vastly less obese people who enjoy it correct alone.
>>750667046>updates and patches saved cp2077None of those things made the game better. Less crashing has no impact on the poor story, mission structure, side content, characters, etc. In fact the dlc was even worseWill you ever be a woman? Find out next time
>>750668590> It's a fine RPG, you fagIt’s a shittier RPG than Bethesda on its worst day. Starfield is more of an RPG than 2077.
On twitter & parts of youtube there's already lots of revisionism around 3.Hell even parts of /v/ do it (mainly to shit on 2).I will never understand it 3 is so fucking poorly written & 90% of the missions are borning dogshit.It rips out vehicle exploration & varied sidemissions & replaces it with....................nothing unless you count "turret sections" (many of which you literally do not have to fire a single fucking bullet to "win" they're just there for retards to shoot a gun into the air for a set amount of time) & multiplayer maps where you shoot waves of enemies until the "mission completes" Completely misses what made ME1 cool with you going around the galaxy, solving side missions & using your spectre status to mediate or eliminate conflicts.All of your choices are boiled down to making a number go up so you can choose between 3 equally shit endings that go against not just the themes of the series but the fucking story elements that you might have already "solved" 3 hours beforehand never have the option to be brought up when the starchild starts ranting about how organics & synthetics will never stop fighting you can't bring up anything you've done to prove that wrong.The entire ending mission is just a corridor shooter through a grey bombed out environment, Instead of making the ending like............oh I dunno fucking Dragon Age Origins where the factions you chose had a direct impact on your gameplay experience during the ending battles with summonable NPC's or hell why not copy what they did in ME2 & have your experience with the final level dictated by you choosing NPCs for missions or the upgrades you got but no it's just..........nothing.The game fundamentally didn't understand what made the series interesting in the first place, On top of that is rushed & poorly written.Anyone that defends this piece of shit should be run over with a Mako tank legs first.It along with Dragon Age 2 were the beginning of the end of Bioware.
>>750667656>Everyone still agrees it's measurably worse the original trilogyA swarm of the gayest and lowest IQ zoomerito faggots you have ever seen in your life have spent three days flooding Twitter with Zoomer Revisionism that the Prequels are better than the OT for any number of flagrantly retarded reasons.
>>750668508>Zoomers were like 6 when ME2 came out.Zoomer Revisionism is typically targeted at shit they weren't "there for." They just pick any Thing that predates their cancerous presence, observes whether General Opinion on Thing is Gud or Bad, then say "[Thing] [Opposite of General Opinion], actually." So "South Park always bad, actually," "Prequels Gud, actually," "7th Gen bad actually," "Jarpigs Gud, actually," etc etc etcZoomer Revisionists (IE Zoomers) are the absolute bottom of the barrel dripping shits nadir dirt worst scum of the earth across all its history. The purest and most banal evil there ever was.
>>750669098xitter is 90% bots and jeets masquerading as humans, 10% japs. Not sure why anyone take what happens there as worthy of mention. Might as well poll the facebook boomers.
>>750668083You will never be a woman
>>7506693644chans /v/ is 90% socially needy loser posting shitty reaction images and rage bait. i cant understand how anyone wants to actually use /v/ when every thread will have 90% people saying they dont like anything and everything and its obvious they do it to rage bait and people reply to them trying to rage bait. the only thing i can enjoy is the people that do this shit they self regulate themselves to stay on /v/ and its is 1000x better for everyone because /v/ is easy to avoid. i open /v/ sometimes to see if there is actually any news and its always easy to find that because there will be several threads made, just dont read the replies and then go to actual forums to read info.
>>750668508I vaguely remember /v/ being briefly renamed something like "The Tali'Zorah Appreciation Station" at one point back then as well.
>>750668451>3 wasn't nearly as bad as 2Now this is revisionism.
>>750672964Thats not revisionism thats just an unpopular opinionTHIS is an (an attempt) at revisionism
>>750667656>As for ME3 it was never seen as bad game until nu-/v/ 'every game is shit' mantra took over the board years later.Now this is revisionism.
I'm stlll mad.I will always be mad.
I’ve always thought it was unjustly hated desu. It’s a mid tier serviceable game. Not amazing by any means but definitely not as bad as 90% of what AAA is shitting out today. That scene at the beginning of the game where the Reapers are landing on Earth like it’s War of The Worlds is kino.
>>750673456Controversial take but I think the "woke killed Bioware" thing actually is over-exaggerated. Almost literally everything about Veilguard just plain sucked from top to bottom, if you stripped out every last ounce of wokeness it would still be a terrible disappointment of a game. Modern Bioware was simply incompetent in the truest sense of the word and the woke stuff was a symptom, not the actual cause itself.
>>750666912>>Revisionism has saved resident evil 5/6RE5 was always a good co-op action game, just not a good RE game. That sentiment hasn't changed. RE6 was shit then and it's still shit now. Stop making shit up. Nobody likes RE6>>Revisionism has saved the prequel trilogyYounger zoomers who grew up with the prequels being their first Star Wars movie have come of age and are now controlling the discourse. Older audiences still rightly think the prequels are shit, and no, the Disney sequel somehow managing to be even worse does not retroactively make the prequels better>>Revisionism has saved Cyberpunk 2077CD Projekt Red saved Cyberpunk 2077 through years of patches.>>Revisionism has saved Dead Space 3No? Nobody talks or cares about DS3. What the fuck are you talking about?>What gives? How come Mass Effect 3 didn’t inspire a new wave of “it was good all along chuds” sentiment the way others have?Because none of this ever happened. OP is just being a faggot as always. A dumb retarded nigger faggot at that
>>750666912RE5 was always a fun co-op game even if it might be a poster child for the "good game bad franchise game" phenomenon while RE6 was and will remain bad.I don't think anyone says that the PT is better than or even equal to the OT but it gave us a ton of great spin-off media that people loved right from the start. People aren't as harsh on it now because the ST showed them how much worse it could be.Cyberpunk 2077 is being hard carried by the anime, yeah.Does anyone actually say that DS3 is good? I've never seen this.
>>750667046RE6 has always been a fantastic game.
>>750673848Your opinion of ME3 is extremely heavily affected by whether or not you were there when it first launched or not, the original ending was straight up Bioware shitting in the fans' collective mouth and calling it a satisfying conclusion to a trilogy where your choices matter and the outrage was fucking biblical, absolutely everyone was getting swept up in it. Playing it years later with the massively upgraded ending they released a little while later (which took it from "abysmal dogshit" to "kinda bad") is a very different experience to getting a front row seat to five years of obsession and hype for a series that was considered a titan in the RPG genre spectacularly self-destructing in a giant fireball of seething hatred and disappointment.The tacked-on multiplayer that literally nobody asked for was really good though, I put a lot of hours into that over a year or so.
>>750674829nice
>>750666912RE5 was and always will be bad, nobody likes it, RE6 is good and among the best in the series.
>>750675368disregard that, I suck cocks
>>750666912>>Revisionism has saved resident evil 5/6RE5 was a fun game in 2009, and aged better than RE4.
>>750666912Mass Effect 3 was extremely bad. They had some cool lore and the story wasn't perfect due to the mix of changes between 1 and 2, and even 2 and its own DLC, but the "core" of the Mass Effect feeling was there through most of the first two games, and then like 5% there for me in 3. It comes back occasionally in the middle of the game when the game finally gives you fun dialog wheel choices or the dialogue itself is really insightful on the part of the world, but for much of 3 before the shitty ending even that much isn't true anymore, and it's become sort of schlocky and really forced writing.But they did thematically carry the franchise around 80% of the way through even ME3, and the ending could've still landed it as a good series, but then they also had to fuck that up, and it is a horrible ending in no other sense than it suddenly gets its own thesis wrong. It's a bit like writing assignments in high school and turning them in late. You sit up to 1am the night before and scribble up some bullshit, and then your "Conclusion" subchapter isn't even correct with the rest of your analysis, and you forgot what you were supposed to examine with your assignment. That's how 3's ending feels. Them having a narrative that's about "The collective freedom from tyranny" or something to that effect and then suddenly all of that is misread as if it's been a story arc about "Organic life vs Synthetic life", and the endings are basically the 3 endings from Deus Ex, but they don't belong in Mass Effect as the conclusion to everything?The consequence of those endings in the universe are so huge and so catastrophic that even if it was really thematically strong, they would've been a bit controversial with fans, but we had to accept these irreversible "sacrifices" to the amazing IP and its world for something that isn't even a fucking thing in the story it's concluding upon.
>>750669014>I will never understand it 3 is so fucking poorly written & 90% of the missions are borning dogshit.This. The entire framing of 3 makes everything feel semi-inconsequential or irrelevant.Any trilogy were act 3 is just "...and now it's WAR. Who wins?" is so fucking boring because of course it's the good guys who are going to win even if it comes at a cost to their lives or something. But so much of 3's rhetorical question when you're just doing 1 side mission after another is basically "Are we gonna win?" and I just stack together random forces in a copy-pase of DA:O's plot, for something THAT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE THAT MUCH SENSE TO DO IN MASS EFFECT.DAO was great you know? A bit more generic than ME1 or ME2 but great. It's a "The Demons are coming, please raise an army and rally a united front when they come" and then that happens, and you do it.Mass Effect 3 did not have the credentials for such a premise. Mass Effect 3 was supposed to be a sequel in which "The demons are coming, but WE KNOW THEY CAN'T BE FOUGHT" so the entire "War" aspect of the narrative should not have been treated as a "...and then you found allies and fought the enemy together" kind of thing.What the ending does is actually halfway close to correct for the story. There's a narrative about "cyclical nature of civilization and evolution", and then every civilization rose up and was cast down, and Shepard is now part of his own civilization's "pinnacle" and there's supposed to be something within that that gives reason for the Reapers to appear and cast us down, and 3 really should've been about the invasion starting, the war ensuing, but Shepard being like "I KNOW there's something we're missing about this" and then you chasing space macguffins and making some alternative force against the Reapers that isn't as futile as the "armies", and then discover before the ending what really spawned the Reapers and what mistake is really being made each cycle.
>>750666912Are you retarded or merely pretending? People *have* been saying for years now how ME3 is a good game, some outright stating it to be better than ME2 and how it tried its damnest after the latter effectively derailed the entire trilogy.>revisionism has saved resident evil 5/6 >revisionism has saved Dead Space 3 What alternate timeline do you come from.
>>750666912It was the OG GOT
God I miss /v/ Mass Effect threads
>>750672964Not really. Everything that went wrong with Mass Effect, literally everything, mechanically and narratively, can be traced back to ME2.
>>750666912>More people hate mass effect 2 than love 3I do both.>phone filename Every time.
>>7506669121 > 3 > 2
>>750667656I'm still mad. I will always be mad. On my death bed I will be mad. When the seas heat up and the world falls into global catastrophe I will still be fucking mad. In the afterlife, when I get to the gates of Heaven, St. Peter and his angels will ask me "Are you still mad about ME3?" My answer will be yes. When the race of man is no more and the ruins of man's cities have crumbled into dust, I will still be mad. Ancient alien civilizations will find the smoldering, volcanic corpse of planet Earth and decode the secrets of the ancient "internet" and they will find this post and so my eternal anger will be brought forth into the far-flung reaches of outer space. When the last tiny flash of heat in the universe dies and all descends into entropy, my hatred will remain. I'm still so fucking mad I took the time to write this stupid fucking post and I'm not the slightest bit less mad. I fucking hate you Bioware. I'm glad you're dead.
>>750680269Shut the fuck up
>>7506786122 is not that bad.
>>750672964ME2 introduced ammo into the game. ME1 had guns which effectively had infinite ammo. I read the lore blogs in-game. It was technically around 10,000 shots per clip. Might as well be infinite. But no, that wasn't mainstream enough. So they introduce heat clips. It was fucking ammo and it was fucking stupid. I hated it. That's on ME2. So go fuck yourself with your defense of it.
>>750674697The ending was so bad it actually had me in a bad mode for days afterwards. I've gone back and replayed ME1 over the years, but I've never touched ME2 or ME3 again. I never got to see the newer "kinda bad" ending and I don't care. The series was ruined.
>>750666912ME3's ending was hated but the game had 10/10 reviews on release and is reguarly replayed by normies
>>750669014>to shit on 2It deserves shitting on>is so fucking poorly writtenDo you need to be told, line by line how unfathomably poorly written 2 is to the point it causes active whiplash if you play it straight after 1?>It rips out vehicle explorationMe when I lie about which game deleted the Mako>using your spectre status to mediate or eliminate conflictsThat's nice anon, now tell me: in which game does your Spectre status come more into play, 2 or 3?>All of your choices are boiled down to making a number go up so you can choose between 3 endingsBut your choices matter far more in 3 over 2? ME2 doesn't deal with any of your ME1's choices. Most everything it introduces is new to itself, and what few things are called back to are often done in simple e-mails an intern could've written in an afternoon. Tali will treat you the same all game long no matter if you helped her in ME1 or not. Garrus will treat you the same all game long no matter if you even recruited him and was present in ME1 or not. The new council, or the possible existance of a human one, isn't addressed. Having done the Cerberus quest chain in ME1 doesn't matter. Having your old Spectre license or not doesn't matter. Having Wrex or Wreav doesn't really change a thing, it doesn't lock you from certain content, it's effectively the same just with slightly different wording. You can play ME2 without importing an ME1 save and you're getting 90% the exact same experience, minus some 15 emails or so. Comparatively, you try and play a non-imported ME3 savefile and it's a completely different fucking game. Half the characters are dead, every major narrative arc in the game wildly changes because of it, other characters don't use as familiar a language with Shepard as they otherwise would've, there's close to no callbacks in audio or small scripted scenes in the Normandy.
>>750666912>Revisionism has saved the prequel trilogyThis is actually a case of counter-revisionism. Boomers, milennials, and gen x'rs controlled the discourse without understanding what they were watching or discussing, so the younger generation is now in charge of the discussion and we are not only smarter, but are better than them in every way, so our love for the prequels and OT on top of our pure hatred for disney's star wars (something bomers, milennials and gen x'rs universally praise) shows that we're right, as usual. once they all die out than we'll enter a golden age.
>>750669014Why do retards pretend the one game in the trilogy that actually fucking tries to deal with past choices doesn't do so, when it is factually the one that does the most, simply because they equate the choices being only a thing for the last 10 minutes, ironically because they were badly trained by the Suicide Mission to think so, when the choices are present throughout the entire game?>story elements that you might have already "solved" 3 hours beforehandHow does achieving a weekend of peace after centuries of slaughter prove a trillion years old pattern wrong?>why not copy what they did in ME2Because ME2 blew its load a game too early and made shit more difficult moving forward for a game that unlike it, actually tried to care for what came before at the same time as not getting half of its development time and resources.ME2 cultists need to be studied.
>>750680363>He doesn't know.kek
We haven't had a sequel trilogy so bad it made the bad prequel trilogy look good in comparison.
>>750680741>Do you need to be told, line by line how unfathomably poorly written 2 is to the point it causes active whiplash if you play it straight after 1?2 is well written.You hate the plotting, but the game, for what it is, is well written, with adequate amount of camp and tongue in cheek, and introspection where necessary, and it has banger lines.I love the way it starts, with Liara/Ashley running up to Shepard and asking "will the alliance get here in time?">They damn well better.And him saying something about "crippled corpses".And then Illusive Man being met for the first time, as there's real tension between him and Shepard, and the fact that we don't have the old crew. And then setting up this uneasy alliance to find out more about the Reapers, and then you accumulate a group feeling over the course of the game and become independent at the end when telling TIM you don't need him anymore like a badass.In 3 the opening is god awful.>Character shows up you don't know>He knows Shepard and Shepard knows himThis is a disconnect between the returning player and the ongoing story>Anderson shows upShepard and anderson say a lot of bullshit>"You've faced down a Reaper. Hell, you spoke to one, then blew the damned thing up!">"I'm just a soldier, Anderson, I'm no politician!">"I don't need you to be either. I just need you to do whatever the hell it takes to help us stop the Reapers!">"The Reapers are more advanced than us. More powerful, more intelligent. They don't fear us, and they'll never take pity on us!">"If we're to have any chance of surviving this we have to stick together.">"We fight or we die!">"We have to go to the Citadel, to talk to the council.">"The Citadel? The fight's here!"And various other bullshit that makes you wanna claw your own face off.
>>750680741>Do you need to be told, line by line how unfathomably poorly written 2 is to the point it causes active whiplash if you play it straight after 1?That's an interesting point. I first heard about ME from friends ranting about how great ME2 was. It had just come out then. I was intrigued. So I went out, got ME1 and played through that. Loved it. 10/10 game to this day. When I was finished with that, I immediately started ME2. It was such a huge downgrade, but everyone around me talked about how much better it was than the 1st game. It was like all they carried about was getting more cover shooter gameplay with snappier controls. Everything else was a strict downgrade.
>>750667842Not only that, people who put the bugs to the side agreed the game was bad, the game literally didn't change a bit, they just fixed the bugs and someone else released a critically acclaimed anime.
>>750666912>How come Mass Effect 3 didn’t inspire a new wave of sentiment the way others have?It did doe. You can like ME1 and dislike both sequels, or like ME1 and like/see where ME3 was going for had EA not fucked with its development. If you state you like ME1, unironically like ME2 and see nothing wrong with it, but then hate ME3, I know you're a shitter that clapped at the nonsensical spectacle and ruining ME2 delivered while transplanting your hope for answers from rightfully that game to the next, then got mad when it turned out a single game couldn't hold the weight of two because its prequel failed at its purpose but it got past you at the time.TLDR ME1 ages like fine wine and ME3 is now being analyzed without recency bias or retards hyping Gears Effect 2 as the greatest game ever, so both make ME2 age worse the more time goes by.
>>750681103And thank god for that, because Mass Effect trilogy is already significantly worse than Star Wars OT was as a trilogy, and OT even had some fans turn on Return of the Jedi because they felt it took things in the wrong direction after Empire.That's how ME2 -> ME3 felt to me. I guess it is just a matter of 'having been there' and if you felt that disappointment, it never fades.
>>750668856LMAO, just imagine shartfield mogging anyone in being a better game...
>>750681110>2 is well writtenlol lmao even
>>750681219I'm gonna be honest with youEmpire doesn't have an endingits great aesthetic, terrible writing where every character is like 80 iqthe best Star Wars is Star Wars. It's all you really need
>>750681264Let me correct myself.It's a lot better written than 3 fucking is.
>>750681110>2 is well written >I love the way it startsI mean, of course a ME2 cultist would like the single worst moment in the franchise that ruined everything moving forward for an entire two games.
>>750681414letoiles stuff is. main plot is worse
>>750681418I liked it, and I sure like 2 more than 3, and I sure think 3 went in a direction it totally didn't have to, after 2.I think a lot of you are unimaginative fags who thought this was supposed to be Lord of the Rings when it was never meant to be that.
>>750681219ME1 = OTME3 = PTME2 = ST
>>750681219>I guess it is just a matter of 'having been there'If it doesn't stand up in retrospect, it was never good to begin with.
>>750681110>Illusive Man being met for the first time, as there's real tension between him and ShepardTIM is godawful, lite everything he says is retarded. Hell working for Cerberus is retarded. Mass Effect 2 is retarded.
>>750681472You can like shit all you want, don't tell others it tastes good.
>>750681469The main plot isn't that bad either. It shows the Reapers are meddling, and converting people which at the time was supposed to be lead-up to further unraveling of their mystery, before 3 abandoned developing the Reapers for the entire game, or even have much of a mystery (the Catalyst is a crux, not an actual mystery) and then they postponed it and postponed it and then heelturned at the fucking ending to lore-dump the discarded table-scraps of ideas they had but never developed, that literally the entirety of 3 should have been developing as its premise.I know the series isn't about the Reapers but it kinda is. Any story about heroism is typically about the Hero AND the villain, and there's thematic substance to the fact that Shepard is "the shepherd" and then so are the Reapers, but the prose of the franchise is such that Shepard is the shepherd that unites everybody, or "the many" against goliath, and the Reapers are just shepherding via assimilation. It's about consolidation vs diversity, and the paragon value through the series is that more division and thus more diversity is more paragon good guy stuff, and more evil stiff is to merge and centralize and dominate, and that's still underlying parts of 3 but it gets lost along the way.They were previously comparing humanity against the species and asking "will we be no better than Reapers?" and the Reapers being sorta symbolic to the temptation you need to avoid, and so many choices being about either taking the effort to help people out or doing bare minimum to get the "essence" of something.And there is a theme through 2 and 3 in particular about Reapers harvesting and reproducing from sentient species by way of only assimilating the "essence" of who we are, but losing our personality and culture in the process of literally killing us and just harvesting the DNA.But all of this could've been better communicated if they actually continued where 2 left, and developed the Reapers further.
>>750680741>ME2 doesn't deal with any of your ME1's choices. Most everything it introduces is new to itself, and what few things are called back to are often done in simple e-mails an intern could've written in an afternoonI feel like I live in bizarro world whenever I see people claiming choices don't matter in Mass Effect 3 but then go right around to suck 2's cock. That game's entirely self-contained.
>>750681618No. It is actually you who are retarded.
>>750681886t. TIM
>>750667448It was shit and buggy on release. Cop AI was terrible and they would spawn right in front of you. Random NPCs had were bullet sponges and would just crouch when you shot them. The story is gay and it's very obvious the original was scrapped for the marketing purpose of including Keanu reeves because it was in a buggy unfinished state and needed to release it.
>>750681841>It shows the Reapers are meddlingBut it doesn't, because the Collectors are effectively disconnected from the Reapers, they were retconned in, their plan makes zero sense and would've taken centuries anyways which is hilarious when analyzed with the rest of 1/3.>at the time was supposed to be lead-upDark energy was dropped before 2 even came out.>I know the series isn't about the ReapersIt is. That's what 1/3 get and 2 doesn't.
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>>750666912>Revisionism has saved resident evil 5/6 >Revisionism has saved Dead Space 3lmfao>Revisionism has saved Cyberpunk 2077Normies that get their opinions from e-celebs and anime don't count. Bugs aside Cyberscam was bad in 2020 and it's bad now, the foundations are rotten>Revisionism has saved the prequel trilogyThey were always flawed but good. If anything hell they're the perfect comparison to ME3 you're talking about and how over the years for both people looked back at RLM-tier complaints and went "really nigga?"
>>750681618No anon, a Spacer Sole Survivor being forced away from the Alliance to work for the terrorists that psychologically scarred him for life makes perfect sense.
>>750681841>I know the series isn't about the Reapers"I know LOTR isn't about Sauron"
>>750680741>>750680815ME3 Pajeets found the thread
>>750680815>the world if ME3 got even just another 6 months of dev time
>>750681110A lot of retards conflate 2 "not mattering" as its fault when that's arguably squarely on 3 not tying into ME1 and 2 in a meaningful way (mainly due to rewrites).If Return of the King completely binned all the character development and set up of two towers that wouldn't magically make it so that the 2nd movie is at fault it's entirely on that entry not being well written.The entire point of ME2 is the beef up the characters and set up stuff like Cerberus and the Dark energy plotline and the incoming reaper invasion.It's not 2's fault that 3 either ignores most of these due to pandering to the Call of Duty audience or just completely fucks it up like with everything involving Cerberus.The only major sin of 2 is barely touching on the fact that you fucking die and get resurrected.Even 3 mostly doesn't touch on this outside of the reddit Citadel DLC storyline which is basically just a joke side mission.
>>750680815>Because ME2 blew its load a game too early and made shit more difficult moving forward for a game that unlike it, actually tried to care for what came before at the same time as not getting half of its development time and resources.How does this excuse 3's dogshit ending just being an A to B slog with no choices?Notice how you didn't even address the fact that Origins a non-Mass Effect game by the same company also had a good ending that took your choices into account when dealing with a "war" storyline where you band together various alliances for a final battle.ME3 is dogshit Stop fucking defending it and kill youself you retarded Zoomer.
>>750680601Remind me, what was the in-universe reason why heat clips replaced infinite ammo?
>>750666912It's funny, in the very next thread I read, I found the answer to OP's question: >>750678435
>>750682897>wtf there's discussion in the vidya discussion boardMad you can't rape your way out of this one, Rajeesh?
>>750666912Mass Effect 3 was rushed, shat on the lore, has one of the most dogshit endings ever in an IP
>>750683121>as its faultIt is.>when that's squarely on 3 not tying into ME1It ties into 1 as much as it can, precisely because it remembers these were meant to be interconnected games. It goes back to caring about the Reapers, to giving the Council actual screentime, to caring about prothean beacons as a narrative device and about Shepard's cipher.1 and 3 remembered to have the Reapers be the immediate threat you're worried about1 and 3 remembered that Shepard was an N7 Alliance marine and Council Spectre and that >>750682508 was idiotic1 and 3 remembered to make being a Spectre actually relevant1 and 3 remembered to touch on the actual Protheans, and that the cipher was a thing1 and 3 remembered that squadmates should have a quality > quantity approach
>>750681260Good thing you don’t need to imagine cause it already happened. Cyberpunk got mogged by starfield.
>>750683121>The entire point of ME2 is set up the incoming reaper invasionSo why didn't it
>>750674391Correct. Suffers from the same mistreatment as Dark Souls 2. People try to hate it going in and surprise, surprise, they have a bad time.
>>750684914Did you actually play the fucking game? The entire plot of ME2 is predicated on the Reapers initiating their invasion through the Collectors because Shepard stopped the plot to activate the teleportation relay in ME1. The Collectors are harvesting human colonies to construct a Reaper, Horizon gets abducted, the Normandy investigates and you literally spend the climax destroying the Human-Reaper larva being built in preparation for their return. The entire point of the Arrival DLC is that the Reapers are approaching and Shepard has to delay their arrival by destroying the Alpha Relay, sacrificing an entire system in the process.ME2 doesn't just set up ME3, it establishes the immediate circumstances of the invasion. What exactly did you think the Collector plot was supposed to be?Thematically, ME2 is about the Reapers being an existential threat that operates on a scale beyond conventional galactic politics. The Collectors are their instruments, the human-Reaper is their next step, and Arrival establishes that even destroying their infrastructure only buys the galaxy a little time.ME3 then proceeds to squander that groundwork with its rushed galactic-war narrative, magical deus ex machina Crucible and increasingly incoherent ending. That's not even getting into the dark energy subplot, which ME2 was actively setting up as a major part of the overarching narrative. Tali's recruitment mission introduces the dying star anomaly, the Collector Ship dialogue and conversations with the Illusive Man further establish the possibility that the Reapers harvesting cycle is connected to some underlying unknown problem involving dark energy.You can dislike ME2's structure, but claiming it didn't establish the invasion is revisionism.The funniest part is watching ME3 get retrospectively rehabilitated by zoomer Indians who discovered the franchise through multiplayer and think having a galaxy map full of fetch quests constitutes a satisfying conclusion.
>>750684353>1 and 3 remembered that squadmates should have a quality > quantity approachThat's hilarious. James, Kaiden, Ashley and Liara are all the most boring characters ever written. Garrus and Tali are both perfect attendance, and making EDI a squadmate is beyond retarded.Meanwhile the only shit squadmate in 2 is Jacob, and yet his loyalty mission is good in spite of him.
>>750684353>1 and 3 remembered that squadmates should have a quality > quantity approachYeah man James "Made for the call of duty audience" Vega is totally a better squadmate than 90% of the ME2 castkys
1 is a masterpiece2 is okay and barely holds up3 is actively bad and irredeemableif you hold any opinion that differs in any way from above, you are mistaken and should probably remove yourself from the gene pool
>>750685823None of them are very good
>>750683213>How does this excuse 3By it doing more with less: more choices to have to take into consideration, more actual visible consequences that react to your save, less development time, less breathing room as the final entry. And yet, it accomplished more out of the promise that 2 ignored. Where's my human Council? Why does the rescued Council suddenly go against their speech at the end of ME1? Why is Cerberus now a 20yo company founded by a glownigger instead of the Alliance black ops cell it was stated to be in ME1? Why does the decision regarding Garrus' future with C-Sec or the Spectres not matter because he's turned into discount Batman regardless? Why does practically no major choice from ME1 affect ME2? Why are they all relegated to background radio messages? Why is the Horizon dialogue forced into making Shepard out to be an idiot just so the Virmire Survivor can leave the game after 30 seconds of screentime?>Notice how you didn't address OriginsDAO was in development for 7 years and caused BioWare to have to sell themselves twice in 2 years.
>>750666912Actually I think it already exists. Even before BioWare died I was beginning to see sentiments like "it was good except for its ending." I have heard this a few times now. It sounds compelling until you recall the game was mediocre until the ending, which was awful, and the game does not require any reevaluation. Then again, I didn't like 2 that much
>>750685823>Ready? OK.>I think, that the Mass Effect series exponentially decreases in quality, with every entry.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc0yetFIBZQ
>>750674391>>750685025
>>750686308I played them for the first time 6 months ago so I have the right of way
>>750685501>That's hilariousIn how true it is? 3's squadmates are mechanically better than 2's and actually interact with each other without the overlapping of abilities that turns some of them into glorified action figures with little depth once you get past their character design. The only ones that have unique abilites (white highlighter) are Jack and Mordin, with Kasumi and Zaeed being DLC (and Zaeed's being Disruptor Ammo, which Soldiers and Infiltrators already have). It's telling that they didn't call any of them back to record lines for any of the DLCs. You could basically cut half the characters and have a better developed, six people squad like ME1 or ME3 which would make them feel like an actual crew and not a bunch of OC toys a kid threw together. The squad doesn't interact with each other in 2, they all live in their own bubbles in the Normandy they never leave outside of the Jack/Miranda-Tali-Legion conflict cutscene. 3 adds scenes where characters actually move around the ship, you have Garrus calling Liara or Kaidan moving up to Joker, Tali using the bar or James using the poker table. Nobody moves in 2, everything is static, and once you see it you cannot unsee it. That's not mentioning how the combat mechanics make some characters, like Jack, completely useless.>hating on Kaidan Pseud.>>750685654>Yeah man James Vega is totally a better squadmate He's certainly better used. He was Jacob done right. James works because he's simply a likeable guy trying to keep up with the craziness around him. He feels genuine, he's a regular soldier in a war that's going to end the galaxy, and plays the part well. He's also there for Shepard to take on a more mentor role for him and to tie Shepard more to Earth and the Alliance given someone sniffed coke during the last game and decided to work for Cerberus. Shepard becomes to Vega what Anderson is to Shepard.
>>750686308>watch my video!Kill yourself
>>750666912Mass Effect 3 is bet than RE5/6, Dead Space 3 and Cyberpunk
>>750686467Jacob is not the Surrogate Audience character in ME2. He's just the inverse of Kaidan like Miranda is the Inverse of Ashley. Almost all squadmates in 2 are inverse of the respective characters from the first game, best shown with Samara who is very orderly like Liara but completely sick with a toxic set of rules and zero issue killing someone to follow it.People get hung up on Jacob because he's a black guy in a white person fantasy, but really he is just the new Kaidan, a goodie-two-shoes who happens to work for Cerberus and Kaidan was a goodie-two-shoes who happened to work for the Alliance, and Ashley/Miranda are just kinda bitchy but Ashley is appreciative of Shepard and Miranda is not.They added James to 3 because EA laid down the mandate that they had to prioritize players who HADN'T played the previous games as their new primary audience, and they literally told Jeff Gerstmann when giving him the review copy to "Please select New Game and don't import the save, and put in the review how welcoming we made it to beginners!"
NEVER FORGET WHAT THEY TOOK FROM YOU
I'm trying to stay motivated to finish my mod after the ME5 cancellation.Honestly, there's going to be a total silencing of the Mass Effect audience after the year's over, and it really sets in that there's no BioWare anymore.I think it's because even if the new game would've been woke or retarded, there was always the POTENTIAL some day that BioWare would get its rennaissance, and now that's been ruled out, and the industry is that bit darker than it was before.
>>750685132>The entire plot of ME2 is predicated on the Reapers initiating their invasion through the CollectorsBut it's not, the Collectors will take centuries to finish the dumb baby and they cannot attack Earth no matter how much the game pretends they can, which doesn't matter anyways because 2's DLC states they were a weekend away from reaching the galaxy.>ArrivalIndeed. If a one hour long DLC is more relevant to the plot than... the plot, you fucked up along the way.>ME2 doesn't just set up ME3It doesn't .>it establishes the immediate circumstances of the invasionME1 already establishes that the Reapers harvest for centuries upon arrival. ME2 develops nothing and muddles the water; what have the Collectors been doing for the last 50k years if they only started building the baby Reaper after getting interested in humanity post-ME1?>Thematically, ME2 is about the ReapersIt is not.>being an existential threat that operates on a scale beyond conventional galactic politicsThat's ME1.>Arrival establishes that even destroying their infrastructure only buys the galaxy a little timeThat's ME1.
>>750685132>That's not even getting into the dark energy subplotBoth because a missable mission that offhandedly mentions "yeah there's some weird stuff with this sun I guess" doesn't set up shit to the degree if a writer didn't mention they had the dark energy idea at some point in an interview, nobody in the world would think it existed; and because dark energy was rightfully abandoned:>Reapers realized mass effect fields and biotics were leading to the death of the whole universe so they leave all sorts of mass effect tools around for every future civilization to build off of. To hasten the effect>they don't tell anyone anything about it and no one realizes it>then every 50k years they harvest all sorts of advanced civilizations then disappear so that even if anyone was solving the problem, it's halted and forgotten>and the premise had it reach the point where *time was actually running out*. Several hundred thousands of millions of years and they thought harvesting the most advanced civilizations would solve the problem>reset everything to solve a problem that they don't explain, facilitate to occur, and do nothing themselves to solve
>>750666912The initial shock of ME3's shit ending has worn off. What's left is a flawed, but still fairly decent game.
>>750686846>2nd level in the game before the player gets free rein>Bump into Quarian monitoring footage of collectors>Shepard: "What are those?">Him: "Collector swarms. Strange readings -- DARK ENERGY.!"It wasn't optional, and besides, the recruitment/loyalty missions are effectively the main plot of the game, not really "side-quests", and Tali's level mentions it in a big way, and honestly so does Mordin's.
>>750666912The only thing that was good about ME3 was the multiplayer, which I miss dearly (yes I know you can still play it but I played it to death over a decade ago). When Andromeda came out I knew it was going to be dogshit but I at least hoped the MP would be good like ME3, but nope, even that was bad.
>>750686590>Jacob is not the Surrogate Audience characterHe 100% is. He got Mass Effect Galaxy, Vega got Mass Effect Paragon Lost.>People get hung up on Jacob because he's a black guy People get hung up on Jacob because he's fucking awful.>really he is just the new KaidanHe wishes, Kaidan is actually well written. His shtick was being literally the *only* squadmate in ME1 that had his shit together: Ash had her grandaddy issues, Liara had her mommy issues and both Garrus and Wrex had their daddy issues. Kaidan's thing was teaching you about biotic lore for the first time in the franchise and to show how he had already gotten over his backstory but you give the guy a couple idle sentences regarding headaches and he's remembered as a whiner.
>>750686910It'll always be a decent game that doesn't escalate into something that feels good.The shock of how awful the writing was in general has worn off to me, and I also don't cringe at the dialogue anymore, whereas I used to think the opening was so fucking terrible I wanted to take a break or something, and on the Citadel there's a lot of cringers that I didn't feel like 1/2 had, but those are ok now, and Illusive Man's role also used to offend me but I'm like "fair, you needed an archetypal villain and Martin Sheen makes it good".But it's always after Thessia I actually have 1 or 2 playthroughs of the 3 games where I just lost interest after that point because you know Priority Earth is coming and you know that everything after that is a blur of mediocrity, unlike ME1 where if I get properly started, there's no way I'm not seeing the Prothean Ilos Archives again, or see the nice space battle at the end, and with 2 if I power through it, I also get excited for the Suicide Mission again.But with 3 you get excited for Tuchanka, and Rannoch, and then it's like "ohh yeahhh... this is where it starts to fall apart."
>>750686931>the recruitment/loyalty missions are effectively the main plot of the gameI know you want to use that as cope, but ME2's main quest is Freedom's Progress, Horizon, Collector Ship, Reaper IFF, Suicide Mission.
>>750666912Second best game in the trilogy.
>>750687067You can't trigger the complete crit-path just by doing N7 levels I don't think.
>>750687067Yes, but by this logic ME1's only main plot was Eden Prime -> The Citadel Part 1 -> The Citadel Part 2 -> Ilos -> Citadel: The Final Battle.In ME1 the "creamy middle" are the 4 planets including Virmire. In ME2 they're the companion levels, and in 3, they're the "Priority" levels.
>>750687302>YesWell there you go>but by this logic ME1's only main plot was Eden Prime -> The Citadel Part 1 -> The Citadel Part 2 -> Ilos -> Citadel: The Final BattleExcept the likes of Feros and Noveria have direct narrative relevance to the plot. How does does Thane's recruitment affect the Reapers?
>>750687427The suicide mission affects the Reapers, and the team is crucial to executing the Suicide Mission plot in the absence of a real military backing like the Alliance in the first game.You're essentially tasking yourself to make a small-scale version of Battle for the Citadel on your own terms in 2, so effectively the plot of 2 is the companions, and the theme of 2 is "leadership".The only flaw I see with 2 personally is that each squadmate could've had interwoven team-dynamic narratives that led to issues with trust and betrayal, and maybe one of the characters having an arc that leads to a divide between Shepard and another squad leader during Suicide MIssion that results in a battle to the death of that companion, or a return to sense, and shows Shepard coming out on top as the leader with the most loyalty or something.The genre of ME2 is a dirty dozen movie, like Ocean's Eleven or The Usual Suspects, not a hero epic like ME1 is, and ultimately all 3 games aspired to slightly different genres.
>>750666912Even modded, ME3 still feels like a massive step back from 2 and even 1. I honestly don't hate it, it's just a let down for a finale is all.
>>750681213Pretty much this yeah.
>>750666912>Was Mass Effect 3 really THAT badyeah lol, the game actually does have a ton of good stuff in it but the ending was so bad it wiped out all the good of the entire 3 games preceding it.
>>750687685>The suicide mission affects the ReapersOnly in so far as it deals with the threat 2 itself created and wasn't a thing in 1 nor is a thing in 3 because 2 explicitly nukes them.>the team is crucial to executing the Suicide MissionSee above.>in the absence of a real militaryBecause 2 itself pushes you to Cerberus, making zero fucking sense, see above.>effectively the plot of 2 is the companions, and the theme of 2 is "leadership"Sounds like a shit plot to revolve your supposedly interconnected trilogy about if the leadership was already proven and the companions from the previous game were abandoned.
>>750687943Not in my experience. I played it when it came out in ME3 and the experience everyone seemed to have that like "I had a great time, and suddenly THE ENDING WAS BAD!!" couldn't be further from the truth with me.I played 3 hitting my fist in the table at Shepard saying shit that didn't seem true to the established plot. The whole "I just wanna stay and FIGHT on EARTH" crap is such a logical fallacy throughout the game I could barely take it anymore as the game went on. I didn't think we were literally just going to "cure the genophage" like that, and the Rannoch part simplifies the issue into a real baby logic, where your dialogue wheels literally just say "The quarians are wrong" or "ALL geth should die!" and the lack of a neutral option for the entire game reaaaallly started to get on my nerves.Then there's the Citadel where "side-quests" have been reduced to extremely basic talk options, but 90% of them are like that one quest in 2 where you deliver a notepad to an asari after finding it in Samara's level, or all those delivery quests in DA2, but it's just sometimes the only thing there's left to do at all between missions here in the third Mass Effect.The quest log doesn't work anymore, Shepard runs on with "auto-dialogue" that ripped me out of the experience, the writing clearly suffers from the loss of the writers that left the project, and missions are just straight up "Run from A to B, with Focus, M dialogue" that's somehow even narrower than the AAA design they already had in 2.And THEN the ending hits and you go "what the FUCK???"That's how I experienced 3. It wasn't this bullshit I keep reading about where "I had such a magical experience, but then the ending ruined everything". The ending just felt like yet another depressing misfortune on top of 20 other previous disappointments in the same game.3 fucking sucks, my dudes.
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>>750666912>How come Mass Effect 3 didn’t inspire a new wave of “it was good all along chuds” sentimentIt has and rightfully so tbqhwyf>Was Mass Effect 3 really THAT bad?People back then unironically projected the feelings in the back of their mind of "huh this game didn't really advance that much the Reaper threat, o-oh well s-surely they're 4d chessing this for the future!" on to 3. With the years and the playing of the trilogy with all DLCs is how you get people better respecting 3 for the Herculean task it had before it>More people hate mass effect 2 than love 3Hey that's me!
>>750688205>It has and rightfully so tbqhwyfshut the fuck up. It always had those and I've been waiting on a moment where more people can admit that it actually sucked and isn't that copium story.
>>750688275Sorry people are waking up to the truth, fren
>>750688116Your boos mean nothing, I've seen what makes you cheer.
>>750688453Why is the entire plot of Mass Effect 2 retarded?I did a renegade playthrough where I sided with TIM everytime and Shepard just came off as a complete retard and there was no real character conflict between the twoMiranda's plot also makes no sense as a Renegade since she starts becoming anti-Cerberus because of Shepard's actions even though Shepard is supporting Cerberus the entire time
>>750681213bingo
>>750688453>if the Alliance doesn't care why are they putting turrets on Horizon and why weren't they working. The only thing you do is turn them back on meaning if they had worked from the get go the Collectors would've straight up not been able to do jackshit>if the Collectors attacked Horizon because the Virmire Survivor was there and they're connected to Shepard why did they not abduct them when they managed to take HALF THE COLONY including Lilith who was frozen a few meters away from them>why care so little about the Derelict Reaper when it is much more useful to our overall goal (stopping the Reapers) than the Collectors
>>750666912>Revisionism has saved resident evil 5/6they were always good, people just needed time to process them (many still support the 5make including me)>Revisionism has saved the prequel trilogyprequels were always based, people just needed the disney buyout to realize how good they had it except now star wars is dead so thanks faggots>Revisionism has saved Cyberpunk 2077no redditors who didn't play the game prior to phantom liberty have been pulling this shit, it's up to us to remind them what a disaster they missed out on>Revisionism has saved Dead Space 3dead space 3 was always good fuck you>ME3yeah the ending shit really fucked the whole thing up, just like game of thrones or how i met your mother
>>750686790>even if the new game would've been woke or retarded, there was always the POTENTIAL some day that BioWare would get its rennaissanceBattered wife syndrome.
>>750666912Whats this newnigger journo revisionism? RE5 is considered one of the greats even to this day, even on solo playthrough.Meanwhile RE4,RE6 had to get years of journo and e-eceleb fellating in order to psy-op zoomers and millenidroids that its some hiddem gem and good RE game, you can't shit on RE5 and worship 4, its not compatible.
>>750666912ME3 has been predominantly liked since like, 2016.
>>750680809this but unironically
