Hmmm...OK
>gameplay first>look inside>99.99% of shmups are auto scrollersLiterally moviegames lmao
Shmups are the worst arcade genre in the history of vidya gaems
>>750653385How is that the most gameplay first genre imaginable?It has the most primitive gameplay ever.All you do is move in a 2D plane while trying to prevent your hitbox from overlapping with the hitbox of your enemies' projectiles.Wow. Great gameplay.
SHMUPS are memorization focused, not gameplay focused
>>750653385That's not rhythm games.
>>750653595Yes saar, games should have lootboxes and exp bars or else their too primitive
I don't count reflexes or memory test as valid gameplay anymore, if you didn't make a decision with reasoning behind it, you played a fidget spinner and not a game.
>Gradius IIIArtifical difficulty, the game
>>750653385>shmupsIt might be a revelation for you anon, but games developed for arcade weren't designed to be the pinnacle of game-design forever, they were tailored to be basic enough to run on the machine. Shmups are a dead genre because they're anachronistic.
What game DOESNT require memorization
>>750653385I like R-Type, it's (unironically) the dark souls of shmupsAll the other shmups can go to hell though. BULLET HELL THAT IS. Hahahaha!
High framerate cursor movement shmups with random elements are the future. By having high fidelity control from the cursor, shmups can lean more into having harder and more complex bullet patterns, with randomisation in some elements of the patterns to prevent route memorisation. Extrapolating bullet motion and patterns will be important, and the patterns should include some compressive crushing patterns that punish people for relying purely on reactions instead of thinking ahead.
I remember when there was a shmup thread up almost 24/7 propped up with nothing but schizo shitlfinging. What happened now, hm?
>>750655837most of those uncs died of old age and/or covid complications
>>750655361Some memorization is fine, but that's basically all Shmups are. You can think of them as being a surrogate activity version of performing sheet music done in the most convoluted and incoherent way possible. A normal person would get much more gratification out of trying to get better times on Mario Kart tracks o alog.
>>750653656>rhythm games.>OST is literally half the point of the game
>>750656070>time trials aren't memosloplol
>>750653656Rhythm games are everything /v/ accuses shmups of being.
>>750653385That's a trick question because /v/ doesn't play any video games
>>750656331I play Space Cadet Pinball
>>750653595>All you do is move in a 2D plane while trying to prevent your hitbox from overlapping with the hitbox of your enemies' projectilesIf that's all you do then it's literally 100% gameplay
>>750653385Shmups are not more gameplay-first than puzzle games.
>>750656331I played videogames last month, apologize right now
>>750656270Correct. Racing games are memoslop done in a way that's better than any shmup. If you want something that prioritizes dodging + player expression, while also removing memoslop, you go to pic related. Shmups are just an objectively bad genre that should be left to the dustbin of history.
can fighting games die off next
>>750656614Why are racing games better?
>>750653385Wrong, /v/ is politics first, console wars second.
>>750656705why do you hate fighting games?
>>750653652Based, I hate souls games as well
>>750656767worth pointing out the irony of making a post like this in a thread that's talking about gameplay for a change>it's everyone else that's the problem!
>immediate reflexive seething in the first ten postsThat's how you know OP was right
>>750656882Monkey
>>750656705Fighting games are so hilariously astroturfed. With all the marketing you'd think they're as big as Dota but everything outside SF6 is dead (and that game is Japan dominated anyway)
>>750653385Memorizing bullet patterns isn't fun, I have better shit to do with my time.
>>750657052>immediate reflexiveBut that's like real gameplay unlike memoslop shmups. You're further proving the point.
I'm bad at them.
>>750657194I disagree
>>750657052>OP was rightBut /v/ is winning tho
>>750657280>/v/ is winning
>learning bad>simon says goodThese are the people they focus test for those chink souls games
>>750657052you had to have been intensely seething to make this thread to begin with so it cancels outalso it doesn't change shmups being a dead genre
>>750657052I wasn't there early enough but this board is a bunch of shitters who claim nothing, maybe 16 years ago fag, now stop samefagging
>>750656796Genre so stagnant the last major innovation was the release of fucking smellee
>Well you see I don't have shit taste because I'm superior to all of youSad that you spend most of your time around people worse than you.
>>750657279Meant for >>750657228
>>750657374Shmups are simon says. The "learning" amounts to move to x spot at y time over and over. Knowledgeslop belongs to roguelites and roguelikes.
>>750657553Simon says means "you see a prompt and then react to it". You can't be trained to be good at Simon because it's completely random.
>>750657898> "you see a prompt and then react to it"Like when a boss puts out un-dodgeable bullet spam that forces you to go to a certain position that you learned through trial and error?
>>750658114No, because that isn't random.
>>750658250WHATSimon Says has never been about randomness. It's about being jarringly and abruptly forced to do something the exact way devs intend you to. AKA 90% of shmup gameplay.
>>750653385Pretty sure the people who say this all mean FUN gameplay. Autistically navigating a hitbox between pixels while holding down the fire button is not fun for most people for more than a few minutes.
>>750658518Enemies in Stellar Blade will flash a random color and then give you time to press the corresponding button. That's Simon says gameplay. It's not the same thing as memorizing a bullet pattern
>>750653385being gameplay first doesnt mean its good gameplay
>>750658925Are you not just pressing the corresponding button in reaction to x bullet pattern? What, the difference is you had to grind to learn what Simon was telling you to do? Shit's retarded.
>>750659192Yes, that's exactly the difference. Memorization versus on the fly reaction.Memo design can have a lot more depth because it's not concerned with being fair.
>>750653595>trying to prevent your hitbox from overlapping with the hitbox of your enemies'>Wow. Great gameplay.That's the core of combat focused action games in general https://youtu.be/vxF2piDThZM
>>750656614Geometry Wars is an endurance test of how long you can put up with its mind numbing gameplay until you zone out and then die
>>750659763>mind numbing gameplayBut enough about grinding deaths to unlock your Simon Says prompts and flowchart routes in shmups.
There are more gameplay experiences than "use hand–eye coordination to make good hitbox collisions and avoid bad hitbox collisions".
>>750653509Movie games that require near perfect user input to complete the story and watch the ending. Sorry you got filtered and couldn't enjoy the ending, bro. Art shouldn't be made for the blind nor music for the deaf.
>>750653385Cave game are shit though
>>750653509>auto scrollers are bad because... the Nintendo youtuber said so
>>750653595That's called a videogame jackass
Moving a pointer is not gameplay
>>750664058but dereferencing one is
>>750664753i'm gonna dereference my foot up your ass
>>750664885oops nullptr
>>750662135The fuck are you saying? I hate when Mario games do it.
>>750653385lol /v/ hasn't been gameplay first in at least a decadethe website changed with the 2010s elections
I used to like shmups because of the exciting music, flashy lights, and intense focused gameplay because I'm a drug addict but now I hate them because they're boring and the other guys who play them have become super gayFuck your plush toys by the way
Define gameplay
>>750653385look no further than crimson desert. that game is so gameplay focused that the story was neglected badly enough as to be totally incomprehensible, to the point that they had to release a major update of just cutscenes explaining what was going on, and STILL /v/irgins shat their tendies over it being le soulless gookslop
>>750665317if you take this thread as representative, gameplay is anything that can be done on the first go. if you have to practice to become good at a game it's not gameplay. this would necessarily mean that any skill that requires training to be competent at is bullshit and unfair. instruments, sports, creative skills, whatever one does for work: all bullshit unfair stuff.no this doesn't count. he fluked this, he couldn't've done it without all the prior experience he had playing other ones, it's bullshit.https://youtu.be/5aE8HmUiV5U?t=1613
I have autism fatigue Gameplay first doesn't mean you want Gameplay ONLY, this genre has nothing to offer besides the same repetitive gameplay
>>750665689yeah aside from pretty visuals and great music and thrilling gameplay, nothing to offerbaby needs his story lollipop or he's gonna cry
you know maybe we dont need shmup threads
>>750653385>Ask arcade virgins to play anything before the 4th gen>*Crickets*These fags don't even like video games.
>>750666356unc still got it
>>750666356I was playing a pirated copy of Spacewar! in the navy, zoomer.
>>750655837If they were anything like me then they just stopped engaging in shmup threads because it was nothing but schizos and morkhogposting
Give me an idea for an indie shmup that isn't a cavelike
>>750669465Just make a game like S&P, please, I beg youOr a game like OrtaThe only rail shooters we get are Starfoxslop
>>750667041Oh yeah? How much gay sex were you having then?
>>750665123>reading comprehensionAt best I would say this means you are the tendie jewtuber in his example.
Mork STILL on his grift I see
ACHTUALLY i regularly fire up deathsmiles and dodonpachi on my basedwitch.i feel like that disabled kid looking at pretty lights playing them though.
>>750672108Been replaced thougheverbeit.
>>750673310By who?
>>750669465Gun smoke 2
>>750672108We had an unusually high number of notable shmup releases this year and he made videos on literally none of them.
>>750673885more views and more money to say "new bad old good" over and over for 1.5 hours
>>750666356Galaga is a worse version of Galaxia
"gameplay" is the most useless nebulous word in all vidya, it boils down to "i like this" and that's entirely subjective
I like to play Escathos when I'm drunk. That songs makes me go completely crazy.https://youtu.be/kqv4NiiVwI4?si=FyKpDzwOj3PTH6CT
>>750673338iykyk. Not letting /v/ fuck this one up too.
>>750675205thanks icycalm
>>750653385/v/ is a gacha board
>>750653385I don't have to like every game genre. I simply do not arcade games. Sue me!
>>750653385>Bro play these troon coded slop Nah I'm good
>>750655837The main schizo got doxxed and now she's being stalked in the stg rev discord.
>>750678821t. plays some westoid slop literally made by troons
>>750653385PrimitiveslopPlaying shmups is like lighting a fire with hands instead of using a lighter or matches
>>750653385For me, it's sexy parodius.
>>750657185zoomers and gen alphas can't handle 1v1 games, they need to be able to crash out and blame their teams constantly for losing
Listen chud it's actually highly competitive and high IQ to pay for the same game and same characters over and over, you just don't GET fighting games
>>750655837yayshmups can't avatarfag anymore without ruining his own thread
>>750653385/v/ almost never discusses gameplay focused games. Story games are much more popular here.
>>750678919>>750679447Why is that nigger so insistent on turning shmup threads into his own Discord server
>>750679552To a certain extent, I kinda get it. It's a lot easier to talk about story and characters, grafx and music etc than it is about gameplay. I have virtually nothing to say about most of my favorite games as a result. That being said, /v/'s tastes are fucking abysmal as much as I love the lads here.
>make shmup threads where i ask specific gameplay questions in the opening post>zero repliesYou shmupfags don't want to discuss shmups either
>>750679850dead genre and no ip counter mean one schizo tranny can trample over the whole thread
I liked devil blade
geewoody lost
>>750680038ask them now. we're all home from our jobs
We? Who's we?
>>750680162My last job was 12 years ago when I streamed WoW to 2 viewers
>>750680045Was that boghog's game? I like that he had a "roguelike" mode that randomized enemy placements giving room for more emergent gameplay.
shmup on the front page
geewoody i will join your discord server just drop the link
Never forget23,112,740
>>750653385It's the worst gameplay though, boring
Love playing CAVE.
>>750653385Rhythm games are more gameplay focused than shmuppies
Aw man I missed the Geewoodyposting?
>trial and error rote memorization difficulty:(>trial and error rote memorization difficulty, SHMUP:OOOOOOOOO
>>750690086Looked through the 'cord and saw a stray "gunna"It's 100% him
>>750690086>Wild internet schizos exist outside /v/What a horrible thing to learn today
>>750653385Bru/v/, this is rightful tic-tac-toe clay. We don't do nonathat thread-the-needle shit here. At worst we play chess vs supercomputers.
>>750656397And all you do in pong is move up and down on the screen. There's less graphical focus to take away from the gameplay in pong so shmups fall short of pong in terms of being gameplay-first because they dress up their gameplay with pretty graphics, while pong stands on its gameplay and only its gameplay.
>>750690191It's DENSITY bro, just ask The Electric Underground, who hasn't made a shmup video in monthslmao
>>750690191>trial and error rote memorization difficulty:)>trial and error rote memorization difficulty, SHMUP:OOOOOOOOO
>>750653385/v/ is a discourse and normalfag game board these days. Good luck finding a new cult classic in this age.
>>750653385>gameplay-first>the gameplay sucksworse than VNs and those absolutely devour my pecker
>>750690198He is a little slow.
nothing funnier than the inferiority complex of someone who's REALLY into a dead genre
What's wrong? Why'd you suddenly stop samefagging?
>1 like, 25 dislikesDid you kill some puppies in that video?
>>750691185you can ignore the 1 like, it's obviously from himi've never seen a video go 0/25 before, that is impressive
>>750690452I want those giant fox tits on my face pronto.
>>750691516Finally you're talking my language.
>>750691592too small
>>750691645
I beat Gradius V yesterday on easy. Even on easy the last couple of levels are pretty difficult.
>>750653385There's a difference between gameplay-first and gameplay-only.If you don't like the gameplay, then the game has nothing in it for you.The last time I played a Touhou game was 15 years ago and came to the conclusion that there's is nothing I like in those games anymore.
>>750690191>>750690345Both fucking suck.
>>750691689Tsukasa should drink more milk
>>750691769I've tried to 1cc Gaiden, apparently it's easy, but I don't see how exactly seeing as it's 50 minutes long and has some tricky parts, and recovery is still fairly difficult albeit much more forgiving than in previous games. The length is really the thing crippling me.
>>750690198>>750690452>>750690710lol
>>750655361SkyrimMinecraftTetrisPac-ManSpace InvadersZelda
Yay, shmups!
>>750691830shitter
>>750692038>Tetrislol. yeah it does.
>>750691852I used to believe longer=better, but 6 stages might really be the sweet spot7 is good tooI'd dread trying to 1CC something with 8+ stages
>schizothreadare there any normal threads on this dogshit site
>>750693746I really miss 2024 shmup threads but a few guys from the god awful /shmupg/ days stayed alive and the poster boy of shitposting was the very same guy everyone is making fun of now. Without this, shmup threads archive fast, and I wish it wasn't like this but it is, shmup threads have become a place to discuss a lolcow
>>750690191Games like Sifu or Darksouls were more of a memeoryslop than shmups I play.Like Deathsmiles you only have to practice the last stage.
I want to like SHMUPS but after awhile my eyes start to glaze over and I lose focus.
>>750690710Can't you just do this in Kiwifarms, I don't care about tranny discord drama
>>750694036Every single Fromsoft game can be cleared on vibes. 1CCing a shmup requires hours of autistic grinding so you can spot your memoslop prompts.
>>750694174i care, yayshmups
>>750694012It's the same lolcow tranny making the same exact posts about shmups every thread without the avatar
>>750691516>>750691592>>750691645>>750691689>>750691841the only good posts ittmore fox titties pls
>>750682421No its a remake of og devil blade made by the one of illustrator for vanillaware games
>>750694604Do you know what happened to the 33 million replay by chance?
>>750694461
>>750657457Smash is not a fighting game. And the lack of innovation has never stopped you from buying the latest Pokemon or Zelda, you disingenuous faggot.
>>750694710biggerBIGGER
>>750694738No.
>>750694894:(
>>750694641I know this one. The runner lil shmuppy deleted his YouTube channel and Restart Syndrome, but he did not account for the wiki still showing all of his scores. So Geewoody's scores will always be on the wiki even if Plasmo removes them through the change log.
>>750695167lowest shitclear score let's fucking go!!!
>>750695167Retard can't even come up with two names that don't sound alike
>>750695454For someone who posts generic AIslop about scoring systems, he is really really bad at it.
>>750695619Old /v/ would be disappointed
>>750695878I mean he can always give himself as many pats on the back as he wants.
>>750696214What does her pee taste like
