"Woke" did not kill BioWare.
boy i sure wonder what the political opinions of said "management" are
>Guys what killed [video game company]?! It's such a mystery, please watch this philosophical deep dive as I wax poetic about unabated greed and questionable ethics!!!Why do these faggots never consider that maybe [video game company] failed because no one wanted to buy their shitty fucking video games?
>>750643012Nobody is going watch your dogshit video OP
>>750643012every video game company that ever went broke and died it was because they stopped making games people wanted to buy its that simple
>>750643012that channel is ultra woke
>"woke" in quotes
>Nick Calandralol
>>750643012Aren't these the idiots who didn't cut off Jim Sterling when they had the chance?
Bioware's legacy is an ugly sheboon who's most memorable quote is literally "btw I'm non-binary"
>>750643012>not woke>post male AsariWhy can't they just admit woke is a part of why studios are closing?
>>750643012Yeah, I'm sure the big evil publisher forced all those poor developers to turn Dragon Age into a bootleg version of Critical Role.
>>750643012Did these guys claim to like Veilguard when it came out?
>>750643059It's "make more money".But they saw pushing woke as advantageous, cause:-they assumed that most of the existing fanbase of "basement dwelling chuds" would buy the game regardless, even if they shat on it online-they assumed that catering to those groups would bring a new, larger audience, all while getting to milk the PR optics of pushing "diversity" and "inclusion" in games -pushing the conflict over "chuds vs lefties" allows them to avoid and distract the public from the (much more relevant and dangerous) rich vs poor class conflict. This is also why you see so many DEI people in positions of power in these games.
>>750643012veilguard killed it and veilguard was woke
>>750643012>no one buys games>company goes underIt's that simple. I don't need to watch a video essay from some balding s ö y i m faggot that unironically uses the word "unpack"
>>750643012I'm sure if they'd been allowed to make the game a singleplayer RPG from the outset rather than flipping on it it wouldn't have mattered how many nonbinary moments the game hadUh huh
>>750643012I killed Bioware.
>management killed BioWare>look inside>they hecking killed BioWare for only losing them 500 million dollars in 12 years
>>750643219>c&h avatar is a leftistDidn't this used to be a racist and homophobic chudcomic
Being owned by a big company was fine when it meant basically getting welfare to do nothing and being able to hire your twitter tranny theater kid friends to "write" for a game, but now that something is actually expected and a return of investment is sought, businesses are evil.
Veilguard sold poorly because it was a shit game. Both things can be true at once.
>>750643012>Second WindChannel only kept alive by zero punctuation
>>750643219Call me “woke” or whatever but I don’t care for twitter screenshots.
>>750643012youtubers killed gayming. now retards just regurgitate the retard videos as fact and argue over which retard streamer they prefer more instead of which game or console they like more. they dont even play the games they fight over.
>>750644975Nah. Vast majority of gamers around the world ignore youtubers and still play games. Trendchasing is killing video games.
>>750643012the cope is out, the liberals will always do anything they can to deny they are at the center of everything bad that happens to them, like a petulant child. eternal narcissism, everything is always everybody else's fault. I did my duty and did not buy because I was told by bioware's defenders it was not for me. :)you know that scene from grandma's boy "what's wrong, did I break the game? new high score? what does that mean?" that's how everybody who saw this coming feels like at the moment.
>>750643012>Woke didn't kill it despite everyone and their mother laughing at how woke the games are and not purchasing them because of itSome of these fags have such a political agenda it blinds them to reality. Being completely unwilling or unable to admit any fault in their ideology. When it has proven time and time again to have failed.These "people" are geniuenly insane and no discourse can be had with them. There's nothing to be gained with engaging with them, they will flounder in their own rhetoric until they drown.
>>750643012anyone who focuses on games being woke/not woke instead of the game mechanics being fun are genuine chud faggots and should be ignored as suchhard truth
This will serve as a lesson to other devs. If you never went woke you're OK, but if you went woke and drop it, you are dead.
>>750643012next week it will be "here's how bioware collapsing is a good thing" and then in 3-6 months a bunch of them will be justifying why ai is good when it's used to bring us a fanmade mass effect 4 game, which will cause a war among them because they're ai hater libtards.they never stop being cowardly retards.the only winning move for them will be to act like its not a big deal and dismissive. oh look right in time. >>750646168
>>750643219me no understand. me dumb dumb what is "woke"? Is is when girl in game????
Enough misinformation. Let us clarify a few things.1. EA buys and kills studios. It doesn't matter if their games are good or bad, woke or racist, it's all just trash to them.2. Anyone saying anything differently has a different agenda and is trying to influence your opinions.
>>750646290When ugly girl in game. Girl Grug no club
EA killed it for Star Wars Battlefront 3 apparently
>>750643012Making literally 5 shit games in a row for the past 15y killed them.
>>750643012Never learn from your mistakes.
>>750643428I would add to that the suits at EA make money regardless of how Bioware performs. Bioware's fate was sealed a long, long time ago.
woke, greed, and inconvenience go together
>>750646290It's when developers put literal gay shit in games that nobody wants.
>>750646168So, what mechanics on bioware games aren't worth sentencing the staff to death, gcj? This will be extra fun since you never played them.
BioWare was killed by BioWare.>them pitching Anthem to EA and not the other way around; Anthem being Concord before Concord did incredible amounts of damage to BioWare's morale and schedule >a retardedly poor attempt to have all three of their studios interface and help each other just led to them becoming more insular because nobody wanted to give up resources for a project of one of the other two >absolutely hilariously terrible internal communication AND elitism, leading to them developing RPG-tools for Frostbite three separate times because the Inquisition, Andromeda and Anthem teams simply weren't sharing theirs with the others, and the Edmonton studio working on Anthem routinely either ignored advice from the other teams or just didn't even tell them what they actually wanted, leading to the support staff to spent months on stuff that was then thrown out>a significant part of Bioware's leadership had been obsessed with wanting to take the Company to the "next step" of storytelling since at least ME1 and just generally were tired of normal RPGs, which ironically led them to make worse RPGs than usual being eaten alive publicly when compared to contemporaries like TW3 or BG3 which was then also terrible for morale Quite literally nobody to blame but themselves, and if part of the reason for the *people* in BioWare to become more and more retarded over the years was Commiefornia politics and TDS then even more reason to laugh at them.
>>750643012>it le high fault it not trannies trannies good rich badkys
>>750646290https://youtu.be/te4utIEIP30?t=1379
>>750643012I don't take the word of those faggots. They can keep eating shit and have the taste of shit.
>>750646168Well here's the neat trick:99% of devs that care about appealing to progressives don't give a solitary shit about game mechanics and often dumb them down for their progressive audience.Where there's smoke there's a fire.
>>750643012Isn't it a whole lot quicker and easier to say that they went out of business by consistently producing games no one wanted to play and never bought? We really need a half hour essay digging into the underlying political reasons, when they just plain made shit no one wanted until it was not feasible to keep the lights on any longer.
>>750646168that's right bro. the sci-fi in the sci-fi games and the rpg in the rpg games and the story in the story games and the aesthetics in the aesthetics games don't matter. you presumably only play excel spreadsheet games or squares jumping around. I mean, if gameplay really was king, all you'd actually want to see is as few pixels or polys as possible to communicate the gameplay.
>mass effect 3 starts>go down to the hangar>faggot is blasting a love letter from his faggot about what gigantic faggots they are>lose interest immediately
>>750643012Despite these really cute leftist explanations in this thread, the reason I didn't like their recent games and didn't buy them is because they were lame with their political correctness. They had a breast slider that didn't really do anything, as one example.Bioware is trash because they made stupid choices for their game design.
>>750643012If you want proof of how full of shit they are, just look at what people laughed at. Look at what caused Veilguard to face an uphill battle. Look at what people actually talk about to this day.Is it the combat mechanics? Is it the RPG mechanics? No, it’s the fucking writing that made the game into a joke from the day barve leaked, and anyone trying to pretend that’s not rancid dogshit from political ideologues is a shameless liar.Would Veilguard have failed if the writing had been serviceable? Very possibly, since EA unquestionably bloated the development time with their retarded mandates, and it may have became a kingdoms of Amalur situation as a result, but we can only call that a maybe because we know for a fact what did cause it to bomb like Nagasaki.
>>750643012It's called counter signalling
>management, bethesda and time killed arkane>not woke
>>750649342The problems with games like DotO and Deathloop run far deeper than "black MC", especially with Billie being fine in D1 and Colt being a funny retard in Deathloop. Really, it started with Dishonored 2 and Harvey Smith being given more control. Arkane's soul left alongside Colantonio post-PREY.
>>750649342I can never get over how fucking awful the redfall poster was.Every other coop horde game shows a group stoically about to face a deadly threat, meanwhile redfall thought it was a wonderful idea to show a group of smug assholes showing just how impotent their own main enemy is.
>>750649039what they are all trying to do is drum up personal clout on social media. Same shit with tv writers, they cannot give a fuck about the project they are working on. They just want to add in some topical th9ing so they can tweet about how they alone were the amazing forward thinking one who added that there for twitter likes. These people have spent the last decade consistently ruining their careers and companies they worked for so they can farm likes on twitter over and over again. It's all about how they can elevate themselves, fuck the place they work for or the thing they are working on. They just want to brag about how THEY are the one that added a gay black samurai to a game and wait for the retweets and lies to flood in.The main underlying cause is the fact that Twitter back in 20140ish became the primary means of networking and gaining jobs. In doing that, every studio ended up recruiting lots and lots of twitter personalities who are more interested in promoting themselves for meaningless twitter likes.
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>>750649342>Implying that the only issues those games have is they have niggers in themRetard
>>750643012Whatever you do, do NOT watch the short video and make a semi informed opinion. Please just look at the thumbnail and come up with some retarded opinion based just off that.
>>750643012Looking forward to Second Wind announcing they're closing too. They already get like 1/4 the views they did when they launched a year ago. Yahtzee would've struggled to keep that place afloat on his back BEFORE he was a washed up old boomer begging for easy modes and pause buttons and refusing to read on-screen text.
>>750643012Correct from a certain point of view. After the EA treatment, Bioware was a shambling corpse that somehow still walked and woke just euthanized it. EA fucked Bioware.
>>750649798NTA but the culture war is literally a deflection by corporations so you don't have to notice how crappy their products are.
>>750649845If your premise is that woke didn't ruin bioware than you're wrong before your argument starts. You can be as logically coherent within that premise as you want, it doesn't matter because the premise itself is wrong. Anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together can tell this just by looking at it. Their games literally stopped making money, and then they went full-woke and leaned into that while blaming the lack of profitability on the chuds while bragging about how they'd rather lose money than make if they're losing money making "the right games", rather than pivoting back to something profitable.
>>750643428So woke DID kill BioWare?
>>750650009Wrong from every other point of view. The fact of the matter is that Bioware wouldn't have closed if its insane religious devs had kept their sermons out of veilguard.
>>750649040The idea is that EA completely mismanaged Bioware and shut them down entirely because of the end result of their own mistakesYou have to understand, these people see everything through the lens of oppressor and oppressed. The oppressed cannot be blamed because without complete autonomy they have no culpability. Bioware was owned, thus ALL missteps are the fault of the owner.
>>750649342Everything looks soooo....generic now. It's all airbrusjed mean guy with a gun trying to strike a Calvin Klein pose with blue rim lighting. while at the same time they are going overboard with trying to make the main characters not look heroic or larger than life at all. It's all very mundane, non-photogenic normal looking people. Like they just grabbed half the developer crew and took some pictures of them and then AI'ed some costumes and rim lighting on them. Every single game is now bland, boring ol' Steve from Accounting and Sherri from HR hanging out in some weird dark town full of alien vampires.
>>750643012ANYTHING BUT WOKE
>>750649845>p-please watch our failing channel? Y-you need to be informed to debate it!!Hmm...no.
>>750650094The culture war is fought by people at the worker level not at the shareholder or CEO level. You literally have to be woke (or so unopinionated that nobody can tell that you aren't) to get hired in these companies. They're not accidentally woke and shit. They're both things for the same reason: woke people are shit at making things, and they hire more woke people because that's how you win the game of office politics. This is why incompetence always breeds corruption, woke just being a contemporary and bizarrely proudly out-in-the-open manifestation of corruption. That people are unironically stupid enough to look at straight-up corruption and go "that's a good thing, actually" just proves how fucking retarded these people are.
>>750643012>This would have sold if it was just advertised better
>>750650152Yes goyim, it's all their fault, EA billionaires are blameless, they just made a bad investment in some loser studio. Good good.
>>750646168Why should I even touch a game much less give developers my money if they go out of their way to disservice me and openly say that they hate my guts.They literally say so themselves that I shouldn't buy it if I don't like it.
>>750650181STOP NOTICING GOY, WOKE IS NOT THE ISSUE, IT'S JUST A COINCIDENCE THAT ALL STUDIOS DIE WHEN THEY GO WOKE, THINK ABOUT BALDUR'S GATE 3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>750650285There has to be some The Producers type plot with this game
>>750650094Do you have one (1) leaked memo or email or tweet of """corporate management""" demanding more gay shit be crammed into the game? Because there are screenshots of at least three or four dozen of the poor, lowly, oppressed devs saying they're doing it intentionally and of their own free will.
>>750643012>work fine under 20 years of EA>one woke game and they diedamn
>>750643012>Irrelevant person>Irrelevant opinion>No, you don't understand, THIS is the truth, do not trust your lying eyesSure, OK.
>>750650521>One
>>750643012The fact that it bombed even under stellar reviews shows that people care deeply about woke shit in games, look at E-day, amazing reviews, even the haters say the gameplay is awesome, but the woke shit just killed it, that's all it takes nowadays.
>>750650094Woke design is inseparable from bad gameplay. Woke games need to be designed with the global mean in mind. The stink trails, waypoints, black lesbian girlboss telling the protagonist every three seconds what they're supposed to be doing, slow motion pans to the object the player is supposed to interact with...All of these "accessibility" features for the mentally deficient render making a good game impossible before even getting into the writing, and visuals.
>>750648928>being eaten alive publicly when compared to contemporaries like TW3 or BG3 which was then also terrible for moraleBG3 proved to be the new standard for rpgs, when it came out every game journo said don't expect anymore bg3 level rpgs. fucking hilarious
>>750649845Nick Calandra is a feminist and a woke bootlicker
>>750650613So without woke design naturally all the bad design elements will go away too right? Now EA is sure to make a banger right?
Still funny that people, sorry, retards treat woke like it's a real thing
>>750650094they're crappy because of feminist and other culture warriors inside the corporations fundamentally altering the products
Woke has become a heuristic for ugly and bland game that is heavily injected and curated by 2010s-Western sex and race politics hysteria. It's why it's used as a hanger on for almost anything and the industry types that support it will always try to stick it into anything, even the games that are conceptually good, in an attempt to desensitize the players with just sheer volume. They didn't actually expect an entire subculture to be strong and loud enough to revolt against it so the main narrative now is that woke is not only a nebulous concept that means nothing but it also isn't the reason why games do not sell.
>>750650670I really don't get what the big deal about it is, it has 3 chapters, game is like 60 hours long, combat system is meh, why do they say the amount of content in it is insane? Does it have more content than Skyrim?
>>750650613Woke is more like anti-aesthetics than anti-gameplay and Bioware has gone on actual record that gameplay isn't a priority for them.
>>750643875>the tweet is just him saying the super bowl should have more dancing latinasI’m pretty sure it’s a joke
>>750650860Yes I'm sure it was these culture war terrorists altering the products and totally not the out of touch of tech company esque business model of infinite growth peddled by stockholders and suits just using this company as a money laundering device. Get real, their crappy games fail because to the left the economic terrorists tore it down and to the right because the woke infestation rotted it out, the people at the top meanwhile are richer than ever, walking off with a tax write off as the studio sinks.
The way how these pundits are trying to maintain and control the narrative is hilarious and somewhat kind of chilling.
>>750646290Woke = anti-white propaganda
>>750650930It has significantly less content than skyrim in every category but animated cutscenes. It's reception was entirely the result of insanely successful marketing. 90% of the people that praised it never left act 1. I played the hell out of it but im a crpg grognard. They somehow convinced normalfags to buy it en mass though. I have five different friends that dont play RPGS at all but they all bought this at full sticker. Not one of them cleared Act 1 or was able to stick out a multiplayer campaign with the boys.>t. 1100 hours in the game
>>750643696If I remember correctly a lot of decisions that led to the games being so expensive were made by upper management, not by developers.
>Nooooo it wasn't the retards in the studio who were extremely open about their retarded fucking opinons that mysteriously mirrored everything in the game, it was the heckin' evil suits!Tiresome.
>>750651152That was meant to be the pitch anyways. That progressive politics is profitable in the age of culturally-sensitive online youth. Nobody wants to admit that it failed to reach critical mass, it did the opposite, it reached a counterculture mass, so now the narrative is to pivot once again to SOLELY blame the management as if the push for politics didn't actually factor into anything while simultaneously disavowing woke as a concept AND it being a non-factor. The rhetoric is so blatant.
>>750643012oh yeah management made every character gay. retard
>>750643219Pretending not to understand as usual
>>750643012>Games are bad and sell like shit>One of the main universal criticisms from customers and prospective customers is "the writing is bad">Part of the bad writing is millennial (gen X) style dialogue out of place social elements that are shoehorned in even when not appropriate>The games are received poorly by the community>Management sees a studio losing money hand over fist.>Studio is unable to produce one profitable venture in over a decade of releases>Studio is shut down after not making money for a decadeI mean... I think that everyone is honestly just being fags about this. The games were bad regardless of the woke factor, but the woke factor was absolutely part of why they are bad. No one is honest. You have losers like Schreier who just constantly say it had "nothing to do with woke at all" (even though he tried to dunk of "chuds" with Veilguard) even though it is clear as day that the writing suffered due to the progressive elements that were put in. However, if you ask /v/ everyone pretends like Taash alone killed Bioware and the company was riding high before then.No. The games were all woke AND shitty which is just the deathknell for a game. Games can be woke and good and be successful. Games can be kinda crappy but have appealing writing or character designs that carry them. If your game is bad and also just filled with ugly woke retards who talk about their feelings in group therapy sessions while an ancient elven god is trying to destroy the world, your game is gonna fail 100 out of 100 times.
>>750651390you mean the project leads? also these games weren't shit because they were failed live services or whatever, it was the woke execution
>>750651390It's both. The development teams ALWAYS cry they want more production values while simultaneously wanting raises and bonuses. The management is also to blame for not only aiding that sentiment but also trying to eke out more money-grubbing practices. They are both an ouroboros that feeds into itself until it becomes too fat for the serpent to move, so the serpent either blames its mouth or its tail for its demise.
>>750646168>>750650094>UHMMMM THIS RPG IS BAD BECAUSE OF THE GAMEPLAY!!!!dumbass roflmao
>>750651365>I have five different friends that dont play RPGS at all but they all bought this at full sticker. Not one of them cleared Act 1 or was able to stick out a multiplayer campaign with the boys.Yeah this is very relatable. I wonder if they'll be back for DOS 3.
>>750651417It's all the damn politics fault, the poor billionaires were just bamboozled. Luckily we'll get rid of everyone but them and the corporation lives to fight another day. Thank goodness. No, blame management. Bioware is dead? Good, they were a zombie studo for 15 years. But take out EA and their stockholders with them.
>>750651561The admittance of woke being okay in games and it still being good is a betrayal into the counter culture of wave of 2010s race-sex politics being injected heavily into games media. That is their goal anyways, to flood the market so much that you basically resign into accepting it as compromise.
>>750651617It was bad because of the gameplay, yes.
>>750651727It has nothing to do with it being okay or not. It is just that good games tend to transcend whatever issues they might have. BG3 is a game that is beloved on /v/ despite it being pretty fucking woke, primarily because it is a really good game and at the very least it doesn't go as far as to have a character sit down and tell everyone she is some made up 2024 gender.
>>750651707Those damn billionaires who are torching, looting and posting on social media where they hate white men in industries? The management is not blameless but the upper crust of the sociocultural cost of this are SJWs. The fault of the management is literally the same as it ever was, to make games as profitable as possible.
>>750650447>They literally say so themselves that I shouldn't buy it if I don't like it.Wrong, they said you can choose not to play it or ignore the parts you don't like. They never told you not to buy it.
>>750651727It also slowly alters how people view media and life in general. You see normalfags just accept a black peasant in a medieval mountain village in sweden without blinking.
>secondshart
>>750650135No it didn't. Mismanagement did. True woke has never been tried.
>>750651823You will always cite BG3 but not the countless others like , KC:D debacle, because you fell for the flood the market tactic. No compromises, not even in the face of some flukes.
>>750651707no one has lost sight of kikes like larry fink
>>750643012Yathzee keeping these hacks afloat, barely.
>>750651854Depends how realistic the game is. I dislike the ahistorical factors in KCD2, but if the game is not pushing realism and throws in a few black people I really do not care and I think you shouldn't either.
>>750643012yeah bioware's repeated failures to make even halfway decent games is that killed them. their last successful game was DAI, which released 12 years ago. not surprising that EA and it's owners would rather fund a starwars live service shooter
>>750651884>gaymer trying to not think about shit for five seconds challenge: impossible!
>Company makes product >Company says that their consumers are bad and need to buy product so they not be Bad>Company says that anyone that not buy product should not buy it anyway because product is just for good people>Product sales fail or severily underperform>Company kicks the bucketIn what market other than entertaiment people thinks its okay to berate and alienate its own consumer base?
>>750651932But KC:D2 was a huge success too, better received than the first by most people.
>>750651943Is Jim Sterling still attached to him like a tumor?
>>750651978Bioware has been on a freefall since DAO. The purging of the forums was the canary in the coal mine. Their surrender to just double down on a progressive political shift was a major factor in that.
>>750651953Yea well fuck you I will keep being a little bitch about it.
>>750652023Why do you sound like you work for management in the game? Are you blind to its own controversies or are just maliciously ignorant and pretend you don't know?
>>750652151He's baitin
>>750652151>ControversiesTwitter arguments and threads on /v/ are not controversies lol. The game sold great and reviewed better. You're the one who needs to actually understand that no one gives a fuck about what is said on /v/, twitter, resetera, reddit, tumblr, grindr, or whatever other social media you use.
>>750652020An industry that cannot accept that their politics does not have widespread appeal. That's literally all that it is at the end of the day, Hollywood itself has had this problem for decades.
>>750652079>Bioware has been on a freefall since DAO.quality wise I'd argue it was after Kotor 1 (I like ME1 and DAO but ME1 is just ok and DAO is literally babies first CRPG) but sales wise they were doing fine, DAI is their best selling game ever. they just couldn't move copies after that at all, which is to be expected when you're making bland open world slop in Andromeda and a straight up bad live service looter shooter in Anthem.
>>750651849>erm... aschtually! they said you can choose not to play it or ignore the parts you don't like, not to not buy!pretending to not understand the argument again i see, that's the same thing
I am not sure why Bioware like quintupled down on the woke when everyone was accepting of gay/lesbian romances in DA:O and Mass Effect without much hate. I mean people on /v/ hold up DA:O as a classic and the game has gay romance in it.
Actually, woke did not kill Bioware. Their games not selling due to containing woke views and politics that many find unappealing killed bioware.
I don't even play video games, my only source of entertainment is seeing them fail
>>750649825Yes? You keep telling me Arkane is great and I'm a chud, well, there you go.
>>750651152>peddled by stockholders and suitsTell the whole truth. We've all seen feminist activists, journalists and other political actors pushing the gaming and games have to change, be more inclusive, embrace progressive left wing ideology as the only way to grow. That is why all the games we love had to undergo radical change and be reoriented towards a female audience. You are still doing to this very day.
>sales as an argumentYou are not management of the game, stop arguing like you are.
>>750652210their entire world is social media, they cannot conceive of one outside of it.
>>750652243I really don't mind gay romances at all, hell you can even put trannies in it, as long as the writing is good and the women are hot I will enjoy it.But those 2 things together have never happened since the woke era.
>>750651779no it was bad because of the shitty woke characters. the gameplay was whatever
>>750652243You can go the entire game of DA:O without finding out the sand monkey is homo by simply killing him when you beat him up, or not prying too deep.In DA;V you must recruit Taash, you must help xer to get the "good ending", and even if you ignore the creature you still get the pronoun retardation flung in your face multiple times as part of main story cutscenes.Yet to leftists who pretend not to understand, these are literally the same thing.
>>750651836>Those damn billionaires who are torching, looting and posting on social media where they hate white men in industries?Were you trying to be ironic? It all stems from the class divide. It's always been about money.
>>750643012>"Woke" did not kill BioWare.HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA H
>>750651849A well-known example is Patrick Söderlund, who was the Chief Creative Officer at EA and an executive at developer DICE.Ahead of the 2018 launch of Battlefield V, players criticized the game's creative direction, historical liberties, and inclusion of female soldiers in World War II settings.Söderlund pushed back against the backlash by telling dissatisfied fans that the team wouldn't change their vision and concluded: "If you don't like it, don't buy it."Another prominent example occurred in September 2024, when former PlayStation Worldwide Studios Chairman Shawn Layden responded to online criticism over the female protagonist in Ghost of Yōtei by posting: "It's a game. If you don't like it, don't buy it."
>>750651908yes, of course
>>750652223That's an inevitability when your entire existence fits inside a bubble where everyone agrees (out of fear) and your only interaction with the outside world is Twitter.
>>750650285geeIwonderwhy.webm
>>750643012These fuckers are so quick to find excuses to avoid confronting the obvious truth.
>>750652243It wasn't all that gay all things considered. The most "gay" romance people talk about is literally Leliana, which is just lesbian gay sex. Literally everybody dismisses Zevran as some elf shitlord that gets killed in some first playthroughs because he was an assassin sent to kill you. The whole playersexual thing did not start until way later when tumblrites started entering the industry en masse. It's why you literally have a pregnancy dilemma in DAO as well, something that is GENDER LOCKED to a male Warden, otherwise if you're an fem warden you can be a cuckquean and let Alistair impregnate the witch.
>>750652243>I mean people on /v/ hold up DA:O as a classic and the game has gay romance in it.>>750652431>You can go the entire game of DA:O without finding out the sand monkey is homo by simply killing him when you beat him up, or not prying too deep.i didnt even know there was faggotry in da:o when i played it 16 years ago
>>750651849Why would I buy a game I have no intention of playing?
>>750652445Please read about intersectionalism, critical race theory and Gramsci so you update your Marxism into the lens of the Cultural Marxist, the actual marxism that is still prevalent in the West now.
>>750652584Jobs are at stake you heartless chud.
>>750652563>i didnt even know there was faggotry in da:o when i played it 16 years agoWell, bare minimum civility towards party members in a goddamn adventure didn't land you gay rape back then.
>>750652294sales is like THE argument to use when discussing a game's commercial failure and a studio's closing. like obviously a studio that produces AAA budget stuff not earning back that budget in over a decade is gonna put them on the chopping block man.
>>750643012>management, EA, and timeSo... woke killed Bioware.
>character customisation includes scars ftm trannies have from breast removal surgery>narrative treats "misgendering" as a serious issue>"so...I'm non-binary"If this game is not woke, then what would a woke game look like?
>>750643113>[video game company] failed because no one wanted to buy their shitty fucking video games?This is why we need socialism.
Why did yahtzee jump ship from the escapist to another would-be dead channel without his presence instead of just going it alone? I tried to watch a video by the other guy on that channel once and the stupid dog whine sound he used was so grating
>>750652045I don't actually watch any of these. I know he left Escapist to join this new channel. I'm just guessing he's probably the only content on there people are watching, just like with Escapist.
>sales matter if the game is woke>otherwise sales doesn't matter because woke is more about the message and something about being artistic The fuck kind of pilpul is this?
>>750652451it didn't, poor game design did. reminder that their best selling game ever in DAI was extremely woke, but it also had...servicable gameplay and a decent story buried under all the open world fetch quests. the wokeness was kept consistent, but the actual videogames just got worse. it was a natural devolution, the curve goes perfectly downward from the 360 era straight into closure.
>>750652753>EA>woke
>>750643387Because their entire philosophy is "force this shit nobody wants until utopia magically appears" and if it fails its because they didn't do the thing hard enough and people were allowed to not participate.
>>750652791He jumped ship because those other guys were getting shitcanned. Taking them with him was his way of saving them from getting fired. I think it speaks well to his character, but not business sense.Sometimes people need to realize that they're just not cut out for their line of work and that's ok.
>>75065256316 years ago you weren't a poorly trained dog whose sole purpose to bark at every digital homosexual
>>750650094What? People notice how crappy their products are even more now, since rather than having to wait for non curated footage to see if a product is bad, they just have to wait for whatever pandering shit they put in to see it’s bad.
>>750652773It wouldn't look like anything because the industry narrative is to deny woke exists while simultaneously disavowing it as a non-factor on anything negative. It is the Emperor's Clothes.
>>750652916>big corporation>not woke
>>750643428>pushing the conflict over "chuds vs lefties" allows them to avoid and distract the public from the (much more relevant and dangerous) rich vs poor class conflict. This is also why you see so many DEI people in positions of power in these games.Remember "not your shield" and that one time they tried to look good by paying for obvious bots/pr companies to write comments praising them? kek
>>750651365What? The completion rate for the entire game is higher than that.
>>750652584A good question that every Steam sale backlogger needs to ask themself.
>>750652951You're a good example>>750652431>Yet to leftists who pretend not to understand, these are literally the same thing.
The term woke literally killed the leftist ideology, they tried to ridicule it for so long and then they pretending like they didn't understand what they meant by it, but in the end, it caught up with all normal people, when something is labeled as woke it's already over.
>>750643012Its bullshit, EA management was terrible on Bioware since 2010 and yet it still managed to make games that sold wellEven fucking Dragon Age Inquisition, a game where the true ending was hidden behind a DLC sold ten millions copiesAnd now theyre trying to say that despite 3 games in a row being shit, games that suffered from the elitism and wokism of the devs is not in a any way responsible for its fall? Give me a break!
>>750646168I don't care if the gameplay is fun.If the game has a male character who has a "husband" or is sexually ambiguous I'm not touching it and therefore not endorsing this kind of faggotry.
>>750652916EA was the first game company to claim homophobia was the reason they were getting criticism. So yes.
The gaming industry was never meant to have contemporary race-sex politics be injected into it and survive it unscathed. It didn't become a multibillion dollar industry because of that, it became that IN SPITE of it because nerds of all stripes just wanted to play cool and sexy videogames.
>>750653094they invented it then pretended they didn’t know what it was
>>750652916Granted, maybe not anymore. But when it comes to muslims, I wouldn't put it past them. They are untrustworthy by religious decree.
>>750643012I know all the people who made Bioware good were long gone, but it's still sad the way they went out,their last product, Veilguard. Pathetic.
>>750653049what's not to understand? this place FACTUALLY was not obsessed with the culture war, which means YOU likely weren't obsessed with the culture war because you are just a parrot of your masters to distract away from class disparity.
>>750650378>EA billionaires are blameless, they just made a bad investment in some loser studioThis but unironically
>>750653094It's called revealed preference and it's a glorious thing in economics.
>>750652952It's pricesly because they can go well damn the game was killed because it was woke/because right wingers sabotaged it. All of the onus is on some vague societal problem, not the poor management and business model that produced this machine. Even in this thread you'll have people who'd rather die than condem the management, clown shit. This won't get better.
>>750653094The "Woke 1.0 was crazy" thing is such a weird pivot like anything has actually changed.
>>750653262Stop posting on /v/ and do some actual work, Andrew. Whatever it is you actually do.
>>750652294Dude you sure are dumb
>>750653313Everyone here is condemning management as well. The problem is that some people cannot be convinced that it isn't JUST management but the office politics and the personal activism that created a gestalt of progressive culture that has clouded the industry since the 2010s.
>>750646290Its when jew behind game
>>750653130by your own admission DAI sold very well, and it too was woke. to blame a minor narrative element (because let's be clear, these are minor narrative elements) on other game's failures when their best selling game also contained those elements is just silly. I know you guys have exactly one lens to examine everything through and that makes you extremely narrow minded and stupid but you do remember that these are GAMES right?
>>750653258yes yes anon these are both gay (bi) characters, context and presentation do not exist, so they're identical please continue pretending you don't "get it"
>>750651707>But take out EA and their stockholders with them.Didn't you people make a deal with them though? Do what we woke feminists say and in return we promise you enormous audiences and huge profits? Why do you suddenly want them gone now? Maybe chuds should make their own deal instead.
>>750643012Every single "rise and fall" YouTube video always skips over things like diversity or feminism or homosexuality driving away players. You can never trust them for honest investigation.
Why don't companies just hire chuds?
>>750653313And they’ll keep bombing.If games bomb because they’re shit or because they advertised to the wrong demographic doesn’t matter, though the former would likely be less prevalent due to the terrible taste normalfags have, had companies not bothered to deflect with their current method. The bombs will continue until morale improves.
>>750653168>I do not endorse faggotry>now I will spend all my free time crying about and obsessing over other gays whoops I mean the gayslol
>>750653524chuds are unpleasant to be around if they're vocal about their beliefs and nobody likes hostile work environments
>>750653258>to distract away from class disparity.After you, sister. Not doing shit until you attack your father figures.
>>750653439Shut up, you disgenuous faggot, you talk shit without knowing anything about these games, the difference of wokeness between DAI and DAV is like 100 and 100000 and DAI despite its woke elements had the decency to have good writting faithful to the previous two games and a good story with the woke elements not being overpresent everywhere like Veilguard who had terrible writing that spits on the tone from the previous games, a bad story and overpresent woke shit and reddit writtingYou see, this is why people mock you, not only you are ignorant because you dont play games but you are retarded because you talk about it without knowing anything, youre just a stupid monkey
>>750653313it’s their fucking job to predict trends and all they did was make live service bombs
>>750649183Yes. Laughs in dwarf fort
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>>750653720NTA but your literally saying it's OK for a game to be woke if it's a good game. Which in turn brings it all back to the fact that EA will never produce a good game. Irregardless of woke or not woke
>>750653680>unpleasant to be around if they're vocal about their beliefs and nobody likes hostile work environmentsThat sure sounds familiar.
>>750652939pretty sure he actually said he has no business sense i just wanted the same situation he had at the escapist but didnt want to stay there. Basically he has no ambition of his own and just wants to keep making low effort videos and get a pay check.
>>750652883inq was the only big name rpg in that year, it got a huge push and got a ton of marketing. it also got goty, despite not deserving shitsuccess is more about marketing than anything else. same with bg3, normies despise woke but they are willing to put up with popular shit
>>750652045>>750652829Jim Sterling is so numbed by all the meds hes taking to convince his body and mind that hes a woman that he basically dont produce content anymore
>>750653680Proof?
The management was the problem, and that problem was being woke. It's not rocket science. The problem is not just physical, but spiritual: the people in Bioware literally think wrong. Every thing they believe is wrong. Management thinked wrong, and because they think wrong, they fostered and grew the wrong thinking until it consumed the parts of the company that know how business work. Death is inevitable when cancer makes the vital parts stop functioning. That's what happened to Bioware and countless other dead studios before: they contracted cancer, it metastasized onto the important parts, and died when they ceased thinking how to make monies and started thinking how to cram more gay troon woke shit and sucker in another vulnerable human (often children, but shiftless adults are also aplenty).
>>750653897I didnt say its ok for a game to be woke, just that this game was good despite the woke elementsI hate wokism but in DAI the wokeness doesnt interfere with the game so much, you can avoid it if you want or be a dick to them and it doesnt go against what was made in the 2 games but at least its not overpresent like DAV where the game litterally breathes woke on top of spitting on what was established in the previous games
It's always the sameThe "people" that defend Bioware and these practices ALWAYS dance around the subjectIt's always someone else's faultThe reasons that are put forward are not good enough for them because they don't like them, and thus making another reality in their heads to justify it allEven in this thread, certain posters like to ignore reality and disregard factssomething something arguing with leftists
>>750654160Inquisition was shit
Have they tried, you know at least once for an experimental control, to make a game that hits all the anti-woke marks? Even just once? So at least then there will be a benchmark.
>>750643012"Woke" wasn't the sole reason BioWare died, but it certainly was a factor. Because of it we had individuals not fit for or even qualified to work on such games, which resulted in a poorly developed games with terrible characters/narratives. The same sentiment can also be applied to blaming EA for BioWares closure: yes they are certainly a factor, but it would be disingenuous to say that they were the only reason behind their demise.
>>750654160The woke has gone into overdrive so hard you faggots really believe it's not pouring out of every crevice of inquisition. Honestly amazing how easy it is to brainwash faggots
>>750654082more like talentless nihilist parasites absorbed whatever belief was most convenient which is why all these wokeists are also shit people
>>750649040It's even quicker and easier to say Anthem killed it. Nobody wants to work at a dev that had that kind of meltdown. You could even say the woke was downstream from that because when all the dignified and ambitious people exit that leaves the kind of corporate residue people that will fill their days with tranny propaganda instead of work.
>>750643012Why do the people who celebrate woke culture get angry when people who don't celebrate it call their media woke?
>>750653720DAI and DAVG have the same exact amount of wokeness. both of which revolve around a Qunari and their grappling with transgenderism. DAVG is just way more hamfisted and clumsy about it, which is reflected across ALL the writing of the game, most notably the total sanitization of Tevinter as a setting. Your problem is that you conflate hamfisted writing with wokeness, when you can have wokeness and good writing. >you don't play games???? I played every DA game, though I didn't finish VG because I thought the combat was dreadful. Don't think I'll ever replay DAI either, the open world was a miserable slog. I'm playing a game RIGHT NOW even. you can't just roll that tired cope out when I'M the one advocating for analyzing a game for the GAME part of it anon.
>>750654019Last I saw of him he makes videos celebrating subscriber milestones going in the opposite direction as a big fat "I'm not mad, I'm not mad!" cope
>>750643012>Coping woke devs in the gaming industry, "It was the forced live-service games like Anthem that killed BioWare, I swear! :(">After the Anthem failure EA in good faith gave them another try at a single player game>Dragon Age the Veilguard completely floppedTheir last Bioware games that were single player games was Andromeda and the Veilguard. This is not EA's fault. It's BioWares. They fucked it up, not them.
>military dudebro shooters era is over>woke shit era is overWhat will be the next cancer in gaming?
>>750654235Nobody is actually claiming that it isn't just one factor. It's the pundits-disguised-as-journalists and activist devs/corpos that are in full denial so the videos in Youtube and gaming articles are all obfuscated from the real picture. It also enforces more about what Gamergate said about games journalism.
>>750654412China wuxia Soulslike UE5 slop.
>>750654037I mean just look at this place if you want proof
>>750650135My point is that woke is a symptom.It's like a fever, yes an high fever can kill you but its cause is the sickness, if you treat the fever but don't treat the sickness it will still end up killing you in some other way.
>>750654415>DAI the wokeness doesnt interfere with the game so much, you can avoid it if you wantBlatantly false
>>750654293>DAI and DAVG have the same exact amount of wokenessNice lie, disgenous faggot, your opinion is worth jackshit
>>750654412Woke shit era is not yet over, there are still some strong holdouts.
>>750643012tfw something is so true you need to run propaganda 24/7 to reinforce how true it is
>>750643012Please keep it up. Go ahead and keep denying reality. How many smug woke studios are even left to shut down?
>>750654412the worst of woke is still coming
>>750654460I see you shitting this place up
>>750646819That is so shortsighted that I cannot even understand you. Bioware devs said that EA saved Bioware, so we got Mass Effect and Dragon age. After they decided to fuck things up with Andromeda and then Transguard which no one played and were more love letter to diversity and equality and the later to pure messaging, no wonder they are closed. They have to make good games who sell well. And Bioware really fucked up with Transguard, hell a month after it was released it was given away for free.Bioware you defended died years ago. EA killer some studios but the debt from this studios was massive. check it before commenting stupid
>>750653985BG3 was a very good game. I know you guys refuse to interact with this face, but the sandbox and interactivity of the game puts it above many CRPGs which only really have flat 2D planes for world design.
>>750654428While it's true that media coverage often downplays internal studios' self-inflicted issues, the narrative from all sides tends to be overly reductive. BioWare’s decline was a complex storm of well-documented internal factors: chronic mismanagement, high turnover of veteran leadership, fundamental engine missteps with Frostbite, and severe scope creep during Mass Effect: Andromeda and Anthem.Games journalism certainly has its blind spots and ideological biases, but GamerGate’s framing often collapses complicated development failures down to a single culture-war lens. Ultimately, assigning blame to any single factor—whether it's EA, culture, or the press—ignores the broader systemic and organizational breakdowns that actually sank those projects.
>>750654509People want Naughty Dog to be next because their next game, Intergalactic, not only has negative press, it's reported to be overbudgeted to around $600M.
>>750654532He's baiting you fool
>>750654509And what will you do when they all shut down and the AAA game industry is still incapable of producing a good game?
>>750654496They had all the power and all the resources in the world but the truth always wins in the end.
>>750653970>no uI know it's been awhile since you've been employed but saying something like>I think we should all get along and>NIGGERS AND JEWS DESERVE THE ROPEwill get two very different reactions, with one likely resulting in termination.
Whenever someone claims "woke isn't the problem" I just write them off as completely worthless retards and ignore them.
>>750643012There's something really gross about companies like Bioware taking credit for what the old guard accomplised. The Bioware of today had nothing to do with games like KOTOR. Sly cunts.
>>750654575I'm salivating over the thought of Intergalactic flopping but I don't see Sony closing ND or even firing anyone, they would rather die than stop the woke shit.
>>750654550It having good mechanics means jack. Trash games sold even better than bg3 simply because of marketing and snowballing popularity
>>750654415The equivalent of tolerating woke shit in otherwise decent games is letting benign skin cancer go after discovering it at the doc: sure, it's probably not gonna kill you, but it is literally still cancer, and thus unpredictable.Back then it was tolerated because no one could've dreamed how bad it could get.
>>750643012That much I agree with. I don't understand why /v/ pretends it's some "woke" thing when I've always roleplayed as a raging lesbian in every BioWare game I've played. The "woke" shit has been there for quite a while. BioWare failed because they kept making shit games after ME2. It's got nothing to do with any sort of culture war garbage /v/ talks about.
>>750643012Woke was just the murder weapon
>>750654648Maybe ND would survive, but Cuckman might have a really bad time though.
>>750654690still pretending not to understand. wow
>>750654473>nuh-uhyou are like a child plugging his ears and doing >I CAN'T HEAR YOU
>>750654727kikes fail upward
>"Woke"They always have to put that shit in quotations, as if it's not a real thing that people have been arguing about for close to 20 years now. Same with "culture war". Imagine the queefing rage they would have if it became mainstream to say "nonbinary" or "bottom surgery" (these things deserve to be put in quotations, thoughever)
>>750654620>>750654678I'm not a bot? I'm a live human. AI cannot pass CAPTCHa. Crazy to meet someone with a brain for once.
>>750654690What is that? We should have gatekept harder? Ok, zero tolerance it is.
>>750650763Woke imparts laws that are counter to story and thus impose restrictions on gameplay. Limitations to traditional and timeless story telling while introducing alternative and less convincing alternatives in order to push the modern agenda.
>>750653008I’m not familiar with that one actually
>>750643185That's not true some went broke due to awful management choices or got bought by a bigger company that just dismantled it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl7r2GVZovQ
>>750643113when did that change and why?
>>750652151Damn, I thought this website wasn't a safe space and it's where you can be contarian as you want? Is /v/ really just one counterculture opinion?
>>750654529I'm the only one here trying to actually discuss anything, you're the ones that turned the board into a political whining circlejerk. literally no one else has even dared bring up the videogame parts of the videogames we're supposedly discussing
I suppose this is offtopic considering the thread but did anyone else notice a stark contrast in the way Yahtzee writes his reviews since moving on from the Escapist?It feels like he has a ghost writer or something, or is just kind of a burnout of his former self
>>750654656sure but good gameplay causes good word to spread, and sometimes good word is enough to catapult a dev into mainstream stardom. see fromsoftware and Demon's Souls into Dark Souls
>>750655062He's been doing this shit longer than some people currently using this site have been aliveMaybe the break with them coupled with basically doing the same thing made it sink in that he's trapped and the last spark has gone out
>>750655005Yea keep telling yourself you're the good guy while preaching your bullshit.
>>750646064I describe it as an identitarian Lysenkoism
>>750643012Like Razor saidFirst you go broke, then you go woke, then you shut down.
>>750655062He's a different person than from when he started Zero Punctuation, but he was obligated to keep his character more or less consistent.Being able to start over he probably took advantage of it by establishing a slightly different persona, closer to what he his nowadays.
>>750654550I have literally never met a person that played BG3 and managed to make it past Act 2. I know several people IRL who fellate it and tell me I should play it, yet none of them have even a serviceable amount of hours in game. It's the most pseud sIop to come out in the past decade, and it's not even close. Gamers don't like BG3, normalfags and regular fags just think they're supposed to.
>>750646819>EA buys and kills studios.Enough bullshit man. BioWare killed itself.
>>750655062>>750655158he's fucking old, like James Rolfe.It's hard to preted to be angry at video games when you barely give a shit anymore and just take up a controller as your job now and then
>>750655071i love fromsoft games but word of mouth wasn't because of the gameplay, it was because its difficulty became a massive meme with the normalfaggots back in the early 2010s. and fromsoft/bamco further very gladly used that as a marketing shtick
>>750643219read all of this in the o algo voice lolit's called basic human empathy chuds
>>750646168It's amazing how much leftist discourse is just them pretending not to understand things, thus making discourse impossible.
>>750655158I can't fathom how Yatzee and the parasites he calls coworkers keep the lights on. He's basically the only one who's making more than pennies per month.
>>750655341>difficulty isn't gameplayyou can really read it all here huh
>>750655314This. They stopped listening to their fans, and then they stopped listening to critics. That grave was not dug by EA.
>>750646168The day leftists stop conflating "there being a few gay characters in a game" with what woke actually is, maybe we can have a nuanced discussion about anything again.
>>750655434pretending again not to understand the point are we
>>750655415It's amazing how much chud discourse is just repeating the same nonsensical shit over and over.
>>750655425How many tapeworms does he have with him?I stopped listening to Yhatzee's videos because he kept flashbanging me with some barely relavent political take
>>750646819FACT CHECK:Bioware was around for over 25 years and got to make flop after flop for a decade before finally being closed. EA tried everything to stop Bioware from killing itself but Bioware HID DEI SHIT from EA, which means they KNEW they weren't supposed to lame and gay up their next game and did it any way. they intentionally subverting what EA wanted them to make, after flopping several times. completely self-inflicted.>2. Anyone saying anything differently has a different agendathan the woke one. yes. only woke high priests such as yourself would pretend Bioware didn't kill itself.
>>750655532>using chud memesthe left can't meme kek
>It actually is the sperg from /tv/ again
>>750643012Two generations of shitty underperoming games killed Bioware. It's one of the most justifiable and reasonable studio closures in recent memory.
>>750654605>I think we should all get alongYou know they don't say that. In fact they say the opposite of that more than anyone else.
>>750652243>I mean people on /v/ hold up DA:O as a classicIt was a really trash game desu, I was thinking that back in the dayBut then again Bioware was never very good, mostly Obsidian making sequels to their games produced the real classics
>>750655532are you denying reality again wokie
>>750653897>Irregardlessretard
I'm glad Zero Punctuation had mass layoffs LOL, I hope Youtube and Patreon changes their terms and they make even less money
>>750654428>Nobody is actually claiming that it isn't just one factorOh, there are plenty of people who do so. Or at the very least, many who try to defend BioWare by placing the blame solely on EA for various reasons.I think there's a bit of irony that from what I've seen, the people who think BioWare is mostly to blame for their own demise have been able to recognize that there are many factors to consider, and that not one single side is to blame for it.
>>750650094Well that's not fucking working the bread is moldy and pull of microplastics. and the circus is full of HRT infused crying Clowns.Of that was their attempt to distract us they are more incompetent then the trannies they hired to "distract".We fucking notice.
>>750652243lmao acting like origins and veilguard are the same just because zevran was a zesty quirky bi faggot
>>750646168>Anyone who focuses on plates and cutlery being dirty instead of the food being delicious are genuine chud faggots and should be ignored as such
>>750654682I saw it as bad as it was as far back as Pre-Gamer Gate Sargon of Akkad and his tussle with Anita.
>>750655962Remember "We're not taking your toys away"? Haha
>>750655305most people never finish games anon. just look at any game on steam and check the >beat the gameachievement and how much of the playerbase has acquired it. BG is not at all notable or a standout in this regard. actually scratch that it might be notable in that the percentage for finishing the game is HIGHER than some. BG3>All's Well That Ends Well>Finish the game>23.5%The Witcher 3>Passed the Trial>Finish the game on any difficulty>21.9%BG2 EE>To Hell and Back>Struck down Jon Irencus and reclaimed your soul>10.6%Hollow Knight>Dream No More>Defeat the Radiance and consume the light>20.5%I could go on. point is that this is normal
>>750654682Very well put actually
>>750655525says the man who thinks the word of mouth was from the PC port marketing the game and not word of mouth spreading so Demon's Souls would sell well enough to get a spiritual sequel in Dark Souls. though you might not be pretending you might just be actually stupid.
>>750655532>pretending
>”America First” people are now praising the wealthy elite of a foreign country (Saudi Arabia) buying, owning, and running an American business (EA)
>>750655882Never speak again.
>>750655184lmao holy inferiority complex batman
>>750643059>the political opinions of managementwe're talking about EA, man. We've known this for like 20 years, EA mismanages studios and then devours them. It used to be one of the things that angered this board the most.Anyone that allows themselves to be genuinely convinced that studios deserve to be carved up by management because of cherrypicked screenshots of devs' twitter accounts or not liking a handful of games from that studio is a retard
>>750656167you know it yourself, even if you're in denial or playing coythe pc port was when it all changed for fromsoft whether you like it or not
>>750654682Or maybe retard, I don't give a fuck if there is a nigger in my game
>>750643428imagine being such a goy that you believe this retardation
>>750643219theyre so insecure about a word they created
>>750656263>non-sequitur
>>750653258Tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth. You made a deal with the capitalist class against straight and male gamers, didn't you. DIDN'T YOU
>>750646290kek, well argued my anti chud friend
>>750656320>ea closed a bunch of studios who's games flopped decades agoIdc faggot. Shouldn't have made crap that flopped, shouldve probabky worked on the IP everyone actually wanted and put it out.
>>750656263I'm not America first. We're well past that. Borders are becoming more meaningless each day as toxic subversive """values""" permeate through cultures like a disease. I'm pro any country strong and brave enough to put this shit in it's rightful place, 6 feet under.
>>750656320>or not liking a handful of games from that studioChance after chance after a bad "handful of games" is a luxury basically nobody in the world has, nor should have if we're being honest
MODS!MOVE THIS SHIT TO /POL
>>750656502Oh, you are just brown pretending to be a firstworlder, got it
>>750656493>shouldn't have made crap that flopped EA has generally had an invasive sense of management and it's often their fault the games sucked, like dead space 3 or battlefield in general
>>750649845I'll do you one better, I'll analyze the thumbnail and title by cross-referencing it against common leftist copes surrounding this issue and comparing it to what I know about the channel (it's owned by a leftist who launches harrassment campaigns against people he disagrees with), and I'll predict the content of the video with a 95% accuracy rating. Then I'll issue a response based on that analysis so I don't have to give the seething bitch any sort of engagement.
>>750656583Literally American, just not retarded enough to worship a government that hasn't cared about it's people in almost a century
>>750656628often but not always
>>750656502yeah /v/ros, wouldn't it be super fucking based if some other country rose from the ashes of america (rip maga...) and took up the fight against the woke subversive left?!
>>750643012>Second WindI stopped watching after Yahtzee's bitching about Rowling being a transphobetransphobia is a good thingwe should fear and ostracize the mentally ill, because that's what all trannies are
>>750656628Yea it was EA and not those writers and other bioware faggots loudly proclaiming their position and what they put in their games.
>>750656263First of all, how dare you call me american you gay mutt. Second, the saudis had me at killing journos for sport, all the other positives they bring are simply bonuses.
>>750656746you're either too young or too much of a shill that doesn't play videogames to understand how badly EA used to fuck up their companies when they were regularly acquiring new ones
>>750654917when they hired woke devs to chase the blackrock investment money
>>750656730This but unironically
>Openly admitting in the comments to deleting comments about Bioware they disagree with.>Boosting comments making fun of "woke" and calling them idiots.Yes this ZP video is totally a two sided nuanced discussion and not a lefty echo chamber at alllll. Welcome to the internet in 2026.
>>750651561>Games can be woke and good and be successfulName 3.
>>750656413you're a goy for thinking it's fake when that's literally the playbookonly people give a shit about DEI, companies give a shit about making money and they use anything as an excuse to distract you and make more of it, Bioware just sucked dick at it
>>750656814shut up groomer, no one cares beyond playing a good game, troons make shit games shut up
>>750656862Kingdom Come 2Baldur’s Gate 3 Red Dead Redemption 2
>>750643012The games were terrible but not because of gays or blacks. If every person had been white and saying nigger, they would still be dogshit garbage that are not worth playingAdd in the fact they spend like 6 years making a dragon age game nobody played and of course they got shut down
>>750656387dark souls was a massive hit even before the PC port man, it got ported because of demand from it's popularity and success!
>>750656814I can see that EA is cancer and Bioware is too. 35 btw
>>750656814Both are true: EA being dumbasses, as well as Bioware being cancer. EA should've lynched them sooner, but then there'd be less frustratingly amusing dogshit to laugh at.
>>750656861stop engaging with them honestly, look at what they've done retard every western country is full of browns, no mercy call them disgusting troon freaks and nigger loving retards and then when they accuse you of anything call them groomers because that's what they factually always are
>>750655532why did they suddenly swap places?
>>750656458your desperation to enter the oppression Olympics is palpable and embarrassing
>>750656896imagine being so fat that you
>>750656892But what if those games weren't woke? Do you agree it would've attracted more players? Yes or No?
>>750656861Don't say it like this isn't a righty echo chamber to an extent, for a lot of people who have posted here it's ''woke this'' or ''woke that'' and if you say something like ''I don't have a problem with woke elements'' or ''yes, it has woke content to an extent but gameplay/fun factor is the most important thing and the game is fun to play'' some people will call you slurs or insult you.
>>750656971>no think no interaction with outgroup only repeat mantrasfirst time getting a front row seat to a cult indoctrination
See this thread? This is what most of the discussion on forums will be for the near future Enjoy it. We all deeply hate each other, and everything will get worse for every side
>>750657136I don't hate anyone though.
>>750657081NTA but Red Dead and BG3 are at a level of popularity where their political inclinations truly do not matter. It's like how GTA 6 could literally have Jason look into the screen in the final trailer and say "trans rights" and people would largely still buy it, even begrudgingly
>>750657136It does make me sad that a video game cannot be good or bad without some fag trying to claim its because it agree/disagrees with their personal beliefs. Maybe these things were already shit regardless of being gay or not
>>750656814EA forced them into casualizing gameplay, rushing development, and inserting lootboxes.Criticism about writing is 100% on Bioware, and acting like shitty writing with modern idpol shit injected in had no contribution to their downfall is willful ignorance. It’s an RPG people do care about that shit.
>>750652791He could absolutely run a profitable channel all on his own, but he keeps the others around in exchange for not having to actually run any kind of business. He just collects the biggest cut of the earnings.
>>750657085Most of the replies here are literally just centrist takes since it's just blaming both EA and Bioware. The sardonic replies about woke just a counter-reply to the video saying that it was a non-factor. Echo chambers are meant to carry a very orthodox stance on anything with its own moderation to enforce it.
>>750643012I thought they were all kvetching that the saudis banned a pride flag in the demo a few days ago? Is that no longer an issue?
>>750656971They can whine like faggots and move the goalposts to some "US politics is the reason why Bioware died!!!" bullshit all day long but the fact of the matter is that the company is dead and chuds won. And more companies will rightfully be killed throughout this decade as well.>>750657085This place is somewhat of an echo chamber yes but the difference is we can actually have some discussion no matter how visceral and slur filled it gets, and yes even with the botfarms and shitflingers some discussion can still be had. Whereas on the normalfag social media like youtube the OP just deletes comments he disagrees with and boosts insults against those comments. I'd take 4chan any day of the week over youtube or reddit comments.
>>750657173But you did not even answer my question.
>>750657085You are here, and not banned. Mods are more likely to ban me for posting hitler than you for posting trannies.
>>750657305turned out to be fake news or something
These metaphors are all retardedEA has had a long history of fucking over development teams. They will cut down budgets and development teams while demanding double profits and/or will forcibly getting involved in the development process. This has consistently been a problem for Bioware since Dragon Age 2, Inquisition (which was actually a hit) had a bunch of production issues because the devs were forced to work on EA’s Frostbite engine even though it had no tools for RPG mechanics So a better restaurant metaphor would be “a chef and his workers known for making good food, is told by a bunch of suits that own their restaurant they need to sell more food with cheaper ingredients. Then, the corporation comes up with a new cooking method and demands the chef and his team to use this method even though it doesn’t fit with any of their dishes. Then, the corporation gets bought out by some foreign company, that decides to axe you because they find your food degenerate. Then some random people on the internet say actually, the failure is because you put a pride flag on your restaurant during pride month”
>>750657085>yes, it has woke content to an extent but gameplay/fun factor is the most important thing and the game is fun to playI come from the other angle, I think that a lot of games that get called woke are actually just not fun to play, so people look for anything to call woke in it so they can justify not liking it. Like just say the game is bad I dont even care about the other shit if its not fun to play
>>750643012>woke didn't kill bioware, not making enough money killed biowareso why didn't they make enough money?
>>750657365STILL dancing around the subject! this has to be some kind of record how do you do that?
>>750657397Their games arent fun to play so nobody bought them or ever saw their gay writing
The big WOKE elephant in the room: ADDRESS ME!
>>750657309I don't agree that 4chan is better for actual discussion than youtube. I've had better conversations there for at least the last decade. 4chan is definitely better for shitposting and being able to insult others without having your comment auto deleted, though.
>>750657365Oh also the random people on the internet are a bunch of kids too who never actually ate the restaurant’s best food at its peak
>>750657136Shitflingers can sling their shit, you just need to duck under the trenches for some real talking.
>>750651365Something's fishy. A true Grognard would know how to spell "en masse".
>>750654596Play my backlog, AA and indie games, and games from asia. I dont need AAA westacuck garbage.
FACT: the writers are to blame for their generic anti-white slop they push out in every industryFACT: the devs are to blame for taking 7 years to release a sequel with no new mechanicsFACT: management is to blame for hiring the above
>>750657365Sounds like they shouldn't have made degenerate food then.
>>750656320It's actually different this time since Bioware was just a shambling zombified corpse at this point. EA legitimately shoveled more money into Bioware in an effort to keep it afloat than the other companies they unceremoniously killed off.
>>750654412>>woke shit era is overNo! it's not over and it's never gonna be over.
>>750643012It did and did it several times. Woke means prioritizing a progressive message on gender or sex as a priority over anything else including gameplay.Also bioware has been killed several times. Bioware Austin, Australia, Montreal? All shut down because their games were woke and sucked and they all got shut down.
>>750657136>I don't want everything to be political anymore :(No takebacks sweaty, you'll be reminded no one wants you around every single day.
>>750657085>call you slurs or insult you.This is 4chan: getting called a slur and insulted is how you know you've made an impactful post.
>>750643012>It's woke that killed Bioware!>No, it's horrible mismanagement that killed Bioware!
>>750657526This.They never got to taste the food without the "mild sauce that the lowest common denominator finds tolerable" added into everything.
>>750656320i think studios deserve to be shut down when they've made 3 terrible games in a row and have lost millions of dollars
>>750657493Places with clean discussion also has Thought Police breathing down your neck and will shut down any wrongthink. 4chan is all filth and looks like a ghetto crossed with a war zone, but you can talk for real if you seek for it. There's barely any rules so it's on you to figure out who is being for real or just being faggy on purpose.
>>750657695>Bioware was mismanaged by EAYeah sure>They could have made a good game if they hadn't beenI legitimately don't believe this anymore.
>>750657370It's not about "looking for anything" or "justifying not liking it". The reason most of these games aren't fun to play or enjoyable is because they're feminized crap. It's pretty simple. And a lot of the devs themselves will proudly speak of said feminization in interviews or social media. It's only outside of that you have people weirdly defensive of the fact or pretend it's not real.
>>750657365>a chef and his workers known for making good food,In planet retard, maybe.
>>750657690You can just say something vaguely woke as the first reply to a thread and farm dozens of yous. Making an impactful post on 4chan doesn't even take effort nowadays.
>>750656892RDR2 wasn't woke, and it was dogshit
>>750657309>is we can actually have some discussionbrother basically everyone's first move is to just invoke boogeymen and call people disingenuous. I pointed out how DAI was also a very woke game and Bioware's biggest success so wokeness isn't the end all be all people here treat it as, only for people to refuse to engage in that discussion. Discussion can only occur when it's done in the framing people here like, and that's a culture war focused one.
>>750657690Ain't the truth. When you make a great post and the other person just calls you the ''f-word'' or the ''r-slur'' instead of adressing your post/argument or trying to refute it, it can be a sign that you made a good post.
>>750657365Also >because of the shit working conditions a lot of skilled and experienced staff leave over the years
>>750657769I've been able to post an opposing viewpoint on youtube but I have to be somewhat respectful while doing that. I feel like if you have to fill your argument with slurs and personal attacks, it probably isn't a very good argument to begin with. It's definitely funnier to argue that way though.
I will never forgive Bioware for giving Beamdog the ultimate license to just replace the old copies with their WOKE editions with no way to offiicaly get those old copies back and play it without their retarded WOKE editions.
>>750657695mismanagement caused experienced employees to leave the company and instead of bringing in outside help EA promoted interns who had no idea how to write into key positions.
>>750657876So go somewhere else, I can smell the newfag on every post you make
>>750646168i agree
>>750643012>Yeah, this massive L? didn't happen. It's was actually just another deal we were cooking, like the deal with Lucasfilms after abandoning Battlefront. Don't look at our debt, it has nothing to do with this L that doesn't exist.
>>750658036nobody is forcing you buy siege of dragonspear and as far as I remember the new companions aren't even woke. they are basically fanfiction that grates against the old content though. please I'm begging you acquire a means of analyzing things outside of the 4chan culture war
>>750657864I haven't even played RDR2 and I still know that the game is at least a little woke, particularly regarding women's rights or suffragettes and a possible mandatory sequence with a cutscene I remember watching, if it wasn't part of the story, it at least was an optional quest with relevant dialogue and one cutscene.
>>750643207Well it's just escapist leftovers running a youtube channel after traditional gaming website business model pretty much died. The only relevant part is Yahtzee who went woke and move to california for a woman.
>>750657864>RDR2 wasn’t woke You literally can’t shoot the Native Americans and everyone here was bitching about how woke it was, don’t lie. It’s also one of the best selling games of all time
>>750658079So you don't deny it then? Calling someone a ''newfag'' doesn't refute the point or anything.
>>750653258
>>750658158>Womens' suffrage movement existing in the late 19th/early 20th century is "woke"Nobody is buying your bullshit attempts at equivocation
>>750643219>Biggest movie of the year>Nobody talks about it anymoreCrazy
>>750657876People use woke interchangeably with bad writing, which in fairness often go hand in hand.The characters talking like they are having an HR meeting, contemporary concepts and verbage like non-binary and neo pronouns in a medieval fantasy setting with no attempt to make them fit in-universe without being jarring. BG3 won because they understand nuance enough to not let their bluesky posting habits leak directly into the character dialogue.
>>750657081RDR2 is literally the third best selling game of all time No one gave a shit.
>escapist gets axed and the parasites start a new channel under the brand of 'indie' journalismI fucking hate vidya journos so damn much...
>>750656892Cease breathing
>>750643012Funny how when Veilguard came out it was all "fuck the chuds" "go woke go t-top of the charts!" and now that the studio is fucking dead that chud owning woke content suddenly doesn't actually exist.
>>750657925You can say faggot and retard, anon, the jannies can't punish you for it
>>750658232If you can't have a good discussion here, it's because you have nothing insightful or interesting to say. I'm not obligated to explain further to reddit tourists.
>>750656892Also, Elden Ring, you don’t select gender when creating a character you select body types
>>750654280spiritually jews
>>750658232Just thank him for conceding and move on
>>750658059Maybe hire people based on their skills instead of politics? They had like, what 15 years to make something out of themselves? That's a long time to be an inexperienced intern.
>>750658079>discussion here is good>no it isn't and here's why>oh yeah don't like it? leavethanks for proving my point. and the balls of you r/thedonald expats talking like this is your website is insane to me. you faggots are redditors down to turning board culture into recycling rage faces and beating dead horses. you can pretend you're an oldfag but any culture war addict are all outsiders from stormfront or more recently reddit.
>>750643012(((second wind ))) should post she/her's vielguard play time
>>750658458Yeah but I don't want to say those words AND depending on the context or, indeed, if it's just to rile the other person up or get a reaction, it can be considered trolling, which is against the rules.
>>750648928>woke developer's>also incredibly incompetent on thr most basic shit, including cooperating with other studios Sounds about right
>>750646168It's easier to understand the issue if you view woke as a religion.It wants to spread, and it will send its missionaries with its message to places where the religion isn't found yet.Priests of their beliefs, masquerading as game devs will throw in their views as the PRIMARY content where all other things are secondary.Games should be games first, they shouldn't take a backseat for someone to preach their ideologies.
>>750656320He should doubletap bioware, just to make sure they're actually dead.
>>750657876Yeah but did Dragon Age Inquisition and old Mass Effect have dialogue the "affirms their trans identity" or whatever that dialogue wheel in veiltard was saying? The people saying the woke stuff isn't real because Bioware always put LGBT stuff in their games fail to realize that back then the LGBT stuff wasn't written in the most obnoxious faggy way imaginable and was also optional, instead of forced like in modern western games.
>>750658550they hired people who were cheap and available. Hence the promoted interns.
>>750643012>it was not WOKE, IT WAS NOT WOKE, IT WAS NOT. OH HI MARK
>>750658335>in a medieval fantasy setting with no attempt to make them fit in-universeThe funny part is that they could have 100% gotten away with it BECAUSE she was a Qunari but no modern day lingo it is
>>750657319And I am not going to :P
>BIOWARE WASN'T WOKEReally nigga? Veilguard was so woke nobody fucking bought it.>Inb4 BG3Yes because BG3 wasn't actually a bad game despite woke elements.
>>750658335oh I know, just frustrating trying to impress this exact thing on here just for the dumbest faggots to ever barely solve a captcha to act like political ideology and execution of the delivery of those ideas are one and the same. we have a board of literal tribalistic freaks, I knew it was bad here but when that new Uwe Boll movie dropped we had people unironically praising it despite it falling into all the same trappings of the things they hate, clumsily and hamfistedly delivering political messaging.
>>750657207Embarrassing or detached-feeling writing is an industry-wide trend and I think while it's tied to progressivism in some way I don't think it's accurate to say it is a necessary trait of progressivism as much as it is the interplay of progressivism and the corporate AAA dev environment of the times. An insular culture that doesn't really criticize itself, for one reason or another.I don't really care as much about writing as I do gameplay but "woke" creatives put out games and narratives that gain popularity all the time.
>>750658697Oh hey Johnny, what's up?
>>750658232I have no obligation to respond serious. I have no right to be entitled to serious response. It's purely up to Anon's whimsy that you speak anything and anything speaks to you.You have to glean meaning beneath my words, rather than the words I type. It's ephemeral and changes the instant I hit Post. That's why shitposting is prevalent: it's raw irrational impulse in text form or Anon wants to be funny for no reason. When Anon is bored of shitposting, he'll type serious, then immediately go back to shitposting. It can even happen between posts; me from ten seconds ago is a 180 from me in this post as I type it.
>>750643012Surely it wasn't because of Andromeda being a buggy piece of shit, Anthem being the biggest flop of the year it released on and Veilguard being so disgustingly woke and sanitized that it completely lost its core audience and flopped hardNo, it was ebil management and the saudis
>>750651365>It has significantly less content than skyrim in every category but animated cutscenes. It's reception was entirely the result of insanely successful marketing. 90% of the people that praised it never left act 1. I played the hell out of it but im a crpg grognard. They somehow convinced normalfags to buy it en mass though. I have five different friends that dont play RPGS at all but they all bought this at full sticker. Not one of them cleared Act 1 or was able to stick out a multiplayer campaign with the boys.>"Less content than skyrim">COPY+PASTE CAVES, COPY+PASTE ASSETS EVERYWHERE SO MUCH CONTENTThere are no games with less content than bethesda games, bethesda game lovers are just really really stupid.
>>750657738i don't really care about whether studios are making a publisher money, I only really care about if I feel like they might have a good game in them on the horizon, which it's fair to not think Bioware could do that. I knew people that had fun with Anthem in a 7/10 kind of way. Honestly even with studios that I dislike I can't really think of a time where I earnestly thought "I hope they go under and close"
>>750658678dragon age inqusition very much has a scene that allows the player to weigh in on Krem's transgenderism yeah. and it too was a minor scene about a secondary character. the main conflict for the gay wizard character is also how his homosexuality is stopping him from fulfilling his family obligations by not siring children, and you can weigh in on that as well. I feel like I'm going insane with the historical revisionism going on here, these things did in fact happen already!
>>750658613It's like Lysenkoism if it was even more self centered and stupid.
>>750649039This. Half of us would have accepted their nonsense politics as background noise if the games were actually great. But they aren't. It's not like I cared one bit about the politics of my video game developers for the first thirty years of my life. It's a recent thing because it signals how shitty the game is going to be and how in the face the nonsense messaging will be.
>>750658059More I work my office job the more I realize most offices are probably just 12 load-bearing autists in a trench coat.Wrong guy leaves, entire company essentially dies to the business entity equivalent of organ failure. In that sense woke is probably more of a symptom than a cause, perhaps a vain effort to substitute a key person with 50 brownnosing deadbeats.
>>750657876>I pointed out how DAI was also a very woke game and Bioware's biggest success so wokeness isn't the end all be all people here treat it asA woke game can sell well. A woke series is destined to die because the nature of putting "messaging" above "fun" means you're inevitably going to kill it. I dropped DA2 for being "woke" but the term hadn't been invented yet.
>>750650285Has any game managed to make more unappealing party members?
>>750659116you should've dropped DA2 because it was a dogshit RPG that reused the same 5 dungeons and had mindless button mashing combat, especially because DA2 is just as woke as DAO was. so you're just lying to appear more as a ideological zealot than you really are because if wokeness really was the deciding factor, you would've dropped DAO too.
>>750657876>I pointed out how DAI was also a very woke game and Bioware's biggest success so wokeness isn't the end allnot how it works retard, the average normalfag doesn't research this shit that's why this shit happens in waves, if a game is poorly received it can still sell well from people who weren't aware, then the next game sells less, then the next game too
>>750656861AIDSMoby was always a soft fag, and Yahtzee went softer when he moved to California for a crazy woman. Now he's just a typical leftist crying on the internet.
>>750659251literally exactly how it works actually. a successful game can be woke as hell provided the game is good enough outside of factors like how many pickle suckers there are in the roster. see disco elysium, BG3, DAI, Dark Souls, the Yakuzas and so on. you act it was the retroactive wokeness from bioware that killed DAVG and not fuckin 12 years of making dogshit video GAMES. You think Anthem flopped because of woke? give me a break. you're so deep in the koolaid you think twitter posts about codex entries is a bigger deal to a studio's mass reception than releasing BORING SLOP FOR A DECADE
>>750659219>engage in a post with good faith>get schizobabble strawman in returnchecks out. this is your brain on DIRECTION??"messaging" ensures a series will die because people who put "message" above "fun" can't sustain a company. It doesn't matter what your "message" is.
>>750649342>Play Dishonored 1/DLCPure kino>play Dishonored 2fun gameplay but it's filled with shitty levels except for 2 (no it's not the time travel one) awful story/writing, nonsense story actually, terrible antagonist while they have a much better one in the game, the start of the lore being butchered, outsider retconned and ruined.>play PreyPretty fun game, lots of missed potential though>tried dishonored dotoWorse version of Dishonored 2, unfinished, zero consequences, worst abilities, completely obliterates Dishonored's lore and characters>tried Deathloopit was fucking horrible, watered down dishonored doto, atrocious writing/story and forced connection to Dishonored.It's a mystery how they've survived for so long.
>>750659132I like the Necromancer a little bitThe Outer Worlds 2 has awful companions but they're mostly bad because they're the most boring characters ever made and they're all ugly
>>750659509weird how you groomers are going to claim stuff like bg3 is woke just because it has gay sex, newsflash retard woke is shit like troons taking over bethesda, gears devs, bioware, insomniac, full of na commie liberal hippies who have NO SKILL and sit in their safe space echo chambers which leads to them having 0 ability to make a good gamepic rel is not the fucking same as larian you fucking dishonest troon freak
>>750659532the people writing NPC interactions are not designing levels or combat systems anon. You talk about direction brain but you think political ideology has anything to do with a gameplay system feeling good to interact with. see what I mean by what I said earlier? you cannot actually handle any discussion of a VIDEOGAME for the aspects of the VIDEO you are GAMING so you namecall and try to divert back to the one thing you know, crying about liberals. you are confused by the notion of dropping fucking dragon age 2, the game that had the devs say out loud >We want the call of duty audiencefor the gameplay systems being shit and dumbed down for knuckle dragging call of duty players! insane.
>>750659697>ermmm actually BG3 wasn't woke at all>it just has loads of homosexuals, some transgenders and a story about liberating yourself from oppressive religious forces that seek to remove your bodily autonomy as a means of enforcing control on the broader public!it's honestly amazing you can even read 4chan posts with how little you actually understand when confronted with text.
>>750658267But seriously though, why do Leftoids and other pretend "centrists" never concede on said Culture War and give their opposition all they want if it doesn't matter? Shouldn't they do so so everyone can focus on the Class War instead like they say?
>>750659979And you can kill, maim and destroy all of them. BG3 is as woke as you let it be, it's a mirror made of your choices. Perhaps when your reflection is so woke it is impossible to not see woke everywhere.
>>750659979>>ermmm actually BG3 wasn't woke at allyeah you stupid niggertroon, now what? again tell me how pic rel is the same type of dev as larian please go on, explain it you stupid nigger
>>750653576>best insult he can think of is to call people gay
Woke has always been easy to define. Pretending that it's nebulous or hard to define is just a deflection from people who know exactly what they're doing.
>>750660070I legit have no idea what these images are trying to convey. there are women and minorities in the staff? same thing at larian big dog
>>750660185maybe this game would've done better if it had a man in charge like larian you stupid fucking troon rejectcut your dick off then set yourself on fire and die
>>750660070>our players deserve better"starfield" better or "another skyrim rerelease" better?
>>750656730Why don't you guys just stop pushing your subhuman thoughts/beliefs, and others will stop wanting things like that? It's just THAT easy. All you have to do is be human, have the correct, objectively right views, and no-one will want things like that. Not being subhuman is like the easiest thing in the world for most made right by God, or whoever else that created everything.
>>750660027Why do conservatives play dumb and pretend that people are saying "idpol doesn't matter at all" and not "the idpol stances you're pushing are pointless as you won't meaningfully benefit from them anyway?" It's not "social politics do not matter" it's "the social politics you are pushing are lose/lose for you."
>>750660053>Perhaps when your reflection is so woke it is impossible to not see woke everywhere.insane thing to say here of all places, where every other thread is about wokeness.
>>750660212>lead by a man>mostly men>mostly whiteyeah really woke, where's their token niggers at, where's their rainbow haired dykes screaming for inclusivity and disabilites? stupid fucking retard cope all you want you retarded na liberals are fucked in the head parasites
Now that the dust has settled, how did the right lose the culture war so badly?
>>750658920They will forever blame everyone but themselves
>>750660336is this what your life is, doing censuses for devs and digital minorities?
>>750660226???
>>750660409is this what your life is? cutting off your dick and pretending to be a woman when you look like a literal troll?
>>750660364
>>750660336that image from insomniac also is mostly white men? like do you just...not know how to count?
>>750660364Chuddism is a dead religion
>>750660446I can take solace in the fact that every second you are here throwing your temper tantrums your family and caregivers are spared your presence.
>>750657085>I can't just approve and be okay with objectively wrong stuff or else other humans will shit on me for itWell, yeah? That's normal. You can't just be okay with disgusting things and not expect to be chastised for it. What's the point you're trying to make here?
>>750660027Theres a meme for that
>>750660473>continues to deflect from the explanationshut the fuck up you stupid niggertroon, you can keep pretending, ignoring, and misleading but i'm done tolerating you, you're a fucking sex pest and there's a 50% chance you kill yourself and i like those odds
>>750660053>BG3 is as woke as you let it be,This shit is funny as fuck. >Yeah, well, this woke as fuck game isn't woke because... um... you can just ignore it!Just a bunch of spineless bitches desperate for a win, so they'll take one of the wokest games ever and claim it isn't woke. Looking forward to 2030 where we'll have a tranny couple as the protagonists for a game and you people will go "yeah, well, see the game isn't woke because of *insert bullshit reason here*"
>>750660556>I can take solace in the fact that every second you are here throwing your temper tantrums your family and caregivers are spared your presence.t. anti natalist troon retard that literally can't have kids
>>750660053He did the meme
>>750660261The fuck are you to tell me what I want isn't important, nor would benefit me? You people literally cater to and are populated by the mentally-ill, and other losers of humanity. What would you know about what matters? Your brain is fucked just like the rest of your kin. What you actually mean is that it wouldn't benefit you guys. No-one cares about that. Most of you should be completely silenced, and not listened to ever.
>>750660631>Just a bunch of spineless bitches desperate for a winyeah okay keep ignoring that all the california studios full of rainbow haired dykes and troons all have massive layoffs every few months now while all the fake woke bullshit companies you claim that don't actually operate in the big liberal states like cali (that actually use their government powers directly like how they directly got involved with blizzard due to dei bullshit) are totally fine and are the only games people say are enjoyableno one enjoyed the woke wolverine game, no one enjoyed the woke gears, the woke fallout games are only good for the parts that are ripped from the previous games, etc etc
>>750660625ooooh impressive 50! big number for you champ, I'm very proud. we're breaking ground here, maybe now with your new mastery(lol) of numbers you can go ahead and run a scan of the race/sex makeup of that insomniac image again, and get back to me ok?
>>750660852>ooooh impressive 50! big number for you champ,groomer language, really obvious you freak
>>750643012That's okay, no problem at all. Keep doing that "woke" thing that "doesn't kill studios" as studios keep dying. It's always fun to watch it kill studios, so it's endlessly entertaining for us.
>>750660631remember they have to post about it 24/7 here because ignoring it does nothing, unless of course it's BG3, where ignoring it means it doesn't exist and that you aren't supporting people who believe in things you despise lol
>>750660827>losers of humanityso eternally poor white trailer trash, the very same who are still poor and told to simply hustle harder by the based anti-woke pro white administration in power go buy some krokodil with your funbux
>>750658553>nuh uh, I'M not a reddit tourist, YOU are!
>>750660027it is the right that worships power and capital, there's no class war victory where the left capitulates to the right.
>here's your super feminine, millenium lifespan sex symbol alien chick broserious question, why does she look like the depressed doge meme, did she fell for the space booze when Shepherd died or what
>>750661020>he's so new he doesn't know about the massive influx of right wing redditors during the 2016 US electionoh sweet sweet child leave this place before the rot sets in permanently
>>750646168I mostly agree with you but wokeness can really ruin an otherwise good game.
>>750661150>deflectionThanks for playing!
>>750661138roughly 300 years older Samara for comparison
>>750660027Look, I really hate black kweens and fags playing the idpol race and will lament them imploding occupywallstreet forever, but I will never ever do anything about it. Besides saying those things in a sad attempt to evangelize you that is, but that's it, no more.
>>750661150>being right wing is redditactual niggercattle
>>750661223first man/movie theater hybrid to ever hit the internet with all this projecting you've been doing
Total chud victory.
>>750661393>beats dead horses into the dirt>seeks validation and ingroup consensus constantly>posts rage comic tier edits of the objects of their obsessionswhat am I to call you if not a dumb redditor anon? just because you are blind to it does not mean others are
>>750661009Actually I'm talking about the retarded, low-IQ Brown people you guys love that you want to continually give free shit to, and also immigrate to the West instead of staying in their dogshit hellholes that are the way they are because of them. The mentally-ill that I was talking about also are included in the losers of humanity. Fucked brain having "people" that you guys cater to and validate, because something is severely wrong with you all.
>>750661150>This fucking ESL thirdie is trying to rewrite history.Bitch, if anything, the election is what brought in the lefties when they realized it was a huge blindspot. “Nigger” and “faggot” were regular vernacular, and /v/ was basically the meeting place for Gamergate in 2014. t. I’ve been visiting here on-and-off for almost 20 years.
>>750661393what that anon said is objectively true tho, a bunch of people suckered in by the "we hate the woke regressive left and we're going to CHANGE EVERYTHING" rhetoric of around 2016 on sites like reddit flocked here after they got ostracized from other places for embodying the smug chudjak
>>750660027Because they are only pretending not to care.
>>750643012Just like it had nothing to do with Concord's death, right? It's never because of woke. Woke a good boy dindu nuffin
>>750661549your entire reply is just projection dumb nigger, there's not even the smallest argument there>>750661609ok so you're going to be a troon retard and now blanket label anyone with that leaning as being that exact tourist right? no one else with that view could possibly exist surely, kill yourself now nigger
>>750661602>20 year old oldfag here>*lies*Every time
>>750661052So basically, what you're saying is, "the Culture War is a distraction from the Class War" spiel you guys spout all the time(but only to anyone/anything shitting on Leftists) is just a way for you guys to get people opposed to you to stop being opposed to you, so you can push all your subhuman shit without any pushback nor difficulty? Noted. Though obviously 90% of people not retarded already know that, which is why it never has, nor ever will work.
GCJ is invading again it seems. Fuck off. You lost bioware. Deal with it. You will never get another woke game from them again
>>750643428EA wants more money so they force studios to make flop after flop so they don't get any money.Noted.
>>750658059And then everybody celebrated those interns' writings because they were so DIVERSE and EMPATHETIC and then the game flopped.
>>750651561the biggest crime here was ea not shutting these fags sooner, better studios came and went while these clowns fucked around their circlejerk
>>750661724projection? am I seeking consensus and validation from people here by clearly operating outside of the outgroup? am I making wojack edits of the objects of my obsessions? one look at your 4chan tranny folder oughta answer that question, and you know it.
>>750661052did you or did you not struck a deal with the capitalist class to use games as a vehicle for your deranged political beliefs and in return promising them infinite growth and riches
>>750661823>nooo I hate it when reddit invades the site -man who took over the board via a massive reddit influxyou guys have exactly one consistent principle and that's>it's ok when I do it
>>750662061I don't work in the industry so no, but I have sworn over my body to capital for the sake of being able to live yeah. You can operate under the current system while not liking it you know. can't enact any change in the world by starving and dying either. gotta play the game until the circumstances are right to change the game that's being played
>>750661814Easily the dumbest post in this thread Bootlicker cope is always so pathetic
>>750644975Video games were never good
>>750661138>>750661267Did you forget about 2020's Mass Effect Legendary Edition? It censored camera shots to avoid the male gaze. Just like every English publisher in the era of cancel culture, Bioware was compliant to minority audiences.
>>750643012Bioware has been dead since around 2012. Look, it´s really not that hard, teams of devs and artists make games what they are not the companies themselves. Brands are there simply to manage expectations and bias but the truth is that when talent leaves brands become hollow. Like a desktop icon for a software you no longer have. You can click it all you want but that soft is not going to run. So yeah, the original team, the team that made the games that gave Bioware it´s rep is long gone. Andromeda is not Mass Effect and Veilguard is not Dragon Age. They leagally own the IPs so you can´t quite call them fakes but for most intent and purposes that´s what those are. Now, the team that made the original games are actually running another studio and making Mass Effect. It´s not called Mass Effect but it´s Mass Effect. So you see, i can´t feel for Bioware´s closing because it was already an empty shell. And yes, it closed because they´ve been bleeding money for a decade and knowingly making shit tier games. What did they think was going to happen? Their own remaining fanbase even told them that if they didn´t curse correct and made a game they wanted to play they wouldn´t support them and what did they do? They resorted to name calling and doubling down believing they would find support elsewhere. They did not. Social justice warriors only talk for them in social media so i´m sure they feel supported and contained right now but the reality is those games did not sell when it mattered. When it mattered they were alone and you can´t live on thoughts and payers.
>>750661584>flagrant corruption? moral decay? a flagging economy? new wars? an increasing transfer of wealth to the wealthiest? importing the scary browns anyway because their standards are lower and they're willing to work for less for the shot at a better life, a serf mentality that is widely valued by the cultural leaders of the right? >none of that matters bro. what matters is that a piece of retarded french speculative fiction from the 70s is basically the the gospel and it's literally going to happen in real life unless you blindly vote red in every election
>>750646168holy desperation lmao
>>750650094agreednow denounce trannyism
>>750662304Do explain how pretending Soros is a good boy isn't worshiping power and capital, you unbelievably dense tranny.
What if I hate both leftyfags pushing cultural destroying bullshit like the mass brown immigration wave and rightyfags pushing cultural destroying bullshit like you will own nothing and be happy? Let me guess? Being a regular dude that just wants to play good, non preachy video games in peace on a system that I have full control over makes me a fence sitter centrist with no real beliefs or something retarded like that? Shit like this is why personal computing is gonna be banned by the 2030s
>>750649342The never made a single good game. Impressive
>>750662612Leftists aren't worshipping SorosBut you worship Musk
>>750662304... So he's exactly the same as Soros?
>>750662763>muh leftistsYou fall in line with the DNC ever time, you're a leftist like Cletus is a nazi, you'll vote for the candidate they give you no matter what. You are not even controlled opposition, you're just whiny support.
>>750662763>Leftists aren't worshipping SorosAnd you're a woman.
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>>750662816>projection: the postNormal people hate bootlickers like you so much that they're coming out in droves to vote specifically against you
>>750649342>DOTOgood, forced outrage>typhon hunterbewildering but not a full game, idk why it reads as full price there it's like a small DLC that came with mooncrash i think >cyberpilot, youngbloodco-developed with bethesda using them for muscle, doesn't count imo. you could count FO76 too if you did>deathloopbuilt for pvp, pretty fun if you have good invaders>redfallactually just bad also arkane lyon and austin are 2 separate studios
>>750662215You don't have to work in the industry to benefit. You made a deal for huge narrative and design changes to games, mass censorship through remasters and localizations. Humiliation and antagonizing of the out-group. And you still have the nerve to be lecturing others about "culture war distractions" and tackling capital
>>750662856>/pol/ meme instead of actually responding to my messageOkay fag, also why does the "We're gonna make sure everyone's needs are met" only apply to brown fentanyl addicted violent losers instead of people rotting in a hospital bed that actually have real medical issues?
>>750662304What am I supposed to be upset about nor have a problem with here? Why would I have a problem with someone pushing my objectively right/good beliefs, especially someone with wealth and the power to help push said beliefs? It's only a problem when they use said power to push the shit you believe which are wrong, repulsive shit that shouldn't be tolerated. Like you're pretending not to understand the difference between good things and bad things. That there aren't good things that should be pushed, and that there aren't bad things that should be opposed at any possible turn.In a better world, the shit that I believe wouldn't have to be pushed in the first place, and would be what you think naturally. Like 2+2 = 4 or the sky is blue. Shit that any smart normal human knows. But since you and others like you have fucked-up brains, you don't do so like normal.
>>750663013listen man it sounds like you're more eager to shadow box ghosts than to discuss anything with the person in front of you so I'll just leave you to it. not like my input here matters at all to what you're gonna output
>>750662934So does this gig pay well?
>>750663247>my objectively right/good beliefsLooolStopped reading there
>>750663113NTA but you and I both seriously know that despite the "browns are taking up your public services" narrative, the american right fucking hates public services. The narrative would sooner turn to "well you know... some people just have to die for the good of our system" than budge on making all of those hospital beds something that all of those good god-fearing americans can afford to utilize
>>750662467All that could possibly be dealt with if you stopped fighting the Culture War that you guys say yourselves don't matter, and just give your opposition what they want. It's that easy. Then, they'll have to address the other things. If you do anything other than give them what they want, then that reveals that the Culture War actually does matter, especially to you. Seeing as you guys won't stop fighting in it and preventing others from achieving what they want with it, instead of focusing on the thing you guys say is 1000x more imporant.
>>750663113>""centrists" mask comes off in a single postThis is why you can't fool anyoneThis is why you're a social outcast
>>750663484I'll take this random deflection as a concession, thank you.
>>750663503This surveillance talking point will instantly flip when dems get back in control
>>750663503Why not post the comic itself instead of with the tweet like it's a painting frame
>>750663735it will for centrists but leftists will of course continue to be against the surveillance state
>>750663735This pathetic "wow what if the shoe was on the other foot" doesn't work for anyone anymore after you put your mental illness on full display already This is why you're losing midterms
You know gcj is here when they don't talk about Bioware or Larian and instead start sperging about drumf and musk
>>750663871you guys barely talk about the games either, I basically have to get down on my knees and beg for people to consider gameplay and writing outside of minor woke cutscenes every time
>>750663925>minor woke cutscenesYeah...how minor
>>750663421>my objectively right/good beliefsCorrect. Like the most obvious and normal one, men can't become women. That's a unironic "controversial" thing that is somehow a "topic" in the West, mostly the U.S.A and the U.K. In other sane human countries, that shit is over and done with a simple "no they can't". It isn't even entertained in the first place everywhere else that still has majority sane humans. But for some reason here in the West, someone decided that the mentally-ill should have a voice, and one sect of the political-spectrum decided that they wouldn't to start kowtowing to the brain-damaged. Never in my life did I think I would be arguing with people who are literally mentally-ill, nor are having to treat them as they're my equal, but I am somehow.
>>750663998the way you homos tell it the entire game is just that one cutscene on loop, when the game is dogshit in other ways but you're too obsessed with beating a dead horse to notice.
>>750664013the CIA introducing transgender people to incels was way more effective than them introducing crack to black communities, you guys will be on your deathbeds thinking about this shit
>>750663820Yeah, I'm real sure. Leftists HATE keeping tabs on their enemies.>>750663861We heard it last time, before you mismanaged so hard orange man won the popular vote.
>troons and blue hairs can get genocided>brown free ride imports can get genocided>government elites can get genocided>tech surveillance bros can get genocided>advertisers can get genocided>hook noses can get genocided (again)I would wake up and smile
>>750664128Anon the entire game's storytelling is the most HR friendly quirk chungus bullshit I've ever played through. The combat is a mobile game, but Bioware has always been shit at gameplay.
>>750664013Wow!How many votes did that essay get you?
