It’s time to admit that this is the peak of the entire genre
>>750640426disgusting BUG-vania
>literal tranny game
>Why is this fucking boringBeat Act 1>OK now it'll get good>...>Why is this so fucking boringBeat Act 2>That's it?>Akshully, there's an Act 3>You just have to do more boring fucking side quests to unlock itThis game sucked and was completely devoid of the charm that made the first one memorable.
The peak of my penis wants to ejaculate on Hornet's thigh gap
>>750640426I like La Mulana better but I can accept Silksong as the number 1 Metroidvannia
>>750640426It’s hard to think of one that matches its scale and quality.
not even the best in its own franchisewhich is way below shit like super metroid or sotn but better than shit like bloodstained
>>750640426act 3 gets tedious and i don't know why. i love everything else though. some of the levels should be switched around, you shouldn't have to be 30 hours in to see verdania and some of the prettier areas. also fuck the caravan
>>750640426Honestly it's a pretty grating game.It's an endless barrage bullshitery, without any real payoff. You have to put in some easy parts after the hard parts, to make us appreciate the victory.
I’d rather just play Cave Story again.
>>750640426rabi-ribi exists and ties with silksongbut yes. you would be hard pressed to find another metroidvania that good
Game peaks with KarmelitaI'm so happy my nigga Sherma made it though. I was sweating all game hoping he would be safe. Literally the only light in the dark world of Pharloom and the only character I cared about.
>>750640426no, it's trans coded
>>750640687go back to >>>/tv/you don't like playing games, only watching lore videos and masturbating to le atmospheric moments with no subtance (quirrel)
>>750641482Except I do like playing games. I liked Hollow Knight. So I bought Silksong. And Silksong fucking sucked. Tedious, charmless, mind numbing bullshit.
>>750641480For me it’s first sinner. Karmelita is a close second though, I just hate how often she blocks your attacks and the fact that her spinning spikes move weirdly can come from the opposite direction she was spinning which looks and feels kinda janky
>>750641480>Karmelita is the best, because she is the hardest.
But regular Hollow Knight is a flat out better game.
>>750642024Silksong is better in every single way, thohaps.
>>750641995Karmelita is best because she's the most fun to fight with her dodges and mix ups to match your own she feels more like a rival battle than Lace.
>>750641480>nyleth, crust king, garamond, watcher, lacewaiting for it to be over>karmelita, pinstresshmm, ok>seth, trobbio 2, clover dancers, first sinnerLET'S FUCKING GO
I like Ori more because they are easier (more fun) and more emotionally impactful.
>>750641995I didn't think she was the hardest. I had way more trouble with both Lost Lace and the Unravelled than Karmelita. It's just Karmelita is 10/10 storytellling, fight, music, design, everything.
>>750640426Rabi-Ribi, Aeterna Noctis, Rusted Moss. I like all of them more.
>>750641881First Sinner is incredibly fun and the speed of the fight leads to really intense situations where you feel like a god dodging a million things at once.
>>750642595>Karmelita is 10/10 storytelllingWhat was the story? Me stronk ant qween, me throw glaves? I probably missed it.
>>750640426It's not even good
>>750642839Yeah you did
>>750642884Well then what was it that is 10/10?
>>750640426its complete shit
>>750642948There is no answer or explanation I could give you that would enable you to see it the way I see it
Silksong wishes it was half as good as Metroid Fusion, let alone Super Metroid. You are not peaking the Metroid series as far as the genre goes, bub.
>>750643031
>750640426>it's a troon>it's a shill>it's dodging filtersBuy an ad you goddamned Discord Niggers.
>>750641995Yup that's how it works. For any non-casual at least.See also: Malenia and Fatalis.
>>750640426It's the best Silk-type game by far
>>750640426more like the biggest wet fart of the decade
There are more people playing Hollow Knight than shillsong. It unironically lost to its predecessor
>>750641995groal and broodmother gave me more troubleshe has the best theme, a good dynamic fightmight be the best boss fight designed in a 2D platformer action game unironicallyno i-frame garbage just proper spacing
>>750641482>le atmospheric moments with no subtanceThat's all these games are whenever you're not fighting a boss or in an arena.
>>750640426the gauntlets ruined it, ironically despite taking fucking forever to release they convinced me the game needed more time in the oven. the charm system in the og was also way better than whatever silksong had going on. probably still one of the best in the genre though yeah.
>>750648245Silksong is incomplete and has no bossrush mode. Its unfair to compare the two
>>750649641wrong in the case of silksong, tevi or rusted moss in those games navigating the map/moving around without getting killed by hazards or dispatching monsters is a constant part of the gameplaythere are no "empty" moments like in hollow knight, ender lilies or god forbid igavanias
>>750640426It's the peak of action games, really.
>>750640426As someone who’s played a ton of the genre. I agree, at least gameplay wise. There’s certain things I thing other games have done better, but collectively it’s the best one.
>>750640426i dunno, it's pretty flawed. if this is the peak metroidvanias must be a shit genre.
Already forgotten.
Not so fast!
>>750640426Dlc fucking never i guess
Its funny watching anons trying to be contrarian and saying stuff "Well X is better" followed by a bunch of delusional rumblings. HK and Silksong are the peak of the genre and the only game that remotely came close to them so far has been Nine Sols.
>>750650242The game is already a dlc
>>750649843Hazards and monsters that have no real threat of killing you because it's easy to just run through. Same as Hollow Knight.
Why did /v/ get raped so hard by this game?
>>750650584That's what happens when mediocrity is held up as something great.
The places I think Silksong was weak was the pacing, how the world flows into each other, and on aspects of the story. I don't think the storyline is particularly strong and could have been rewritten, I fundamentally don't understand the plot, why is Grand Mother Silk awakening, why was she asleep, why did she create the weavers, why was she feuding with them, why is she haunting her own civilization, why did the weavers run away. I think there are strong elements there for a good story, especially the conductors/architects etc. but I don't think they did a good job. There isn't enough HEAT created by a HEEL villain. In Hollow Knight I absolutely fucking despised the Radiance because the game MADE me kill Myla, poor innocent little Myla who just wanted to sing her songs and mine for treasure. I wanted revenge, it didn't matter that Radiance had a backstory and reasons, there was a finality to the final fight. In Silksong, GMS is not an effective heel, has unclear motivations, and then turns babyface anyway at the end when she gives Hornet silk. Lace is another character that you can tell the devs liked too much to want to make her a full villain.
>>750641482Its the other way around. Silksong fans are fundamentally hostile to good gameplay and being respected as players. They are only invested in garbage fan service and time wasting mechanics due to ~the world~ while abhorring strange concepts like good pacing, storyline progression, mood etc
>>750640426>action platformer gameplay is half-baked because of the exploration aspects>exploration is half-baked because of the action-platformer elements "Metroidvania" is just an inherently shit style of game.
More like Troonsong lmao
>>750640518>tranny game is when it's not gacha "game"ok faggot.
>>750650789I'm not following your intelligent post up with anything close to the thought you put into it but it's due to the gay ass relationship the writers have with the story and characters Tumblr tier shit going on behind the scenes most likely: we need gay representation, every notable character should be a woman, every girl character needs to be good at heart, we can't expand on filthy men doing stuff so leave that blank etc All this guides the story more than the story evolving naturally by itself. Hollow Knight clearly started with Hallownest first. Built from the ground up.
Is there a bigger Metroidvania than this? The map is fucking huge, I think it's bigger than both castles in SOTN.
>>750650335these post-release threads are quite funny, it's like no anon has quite figured out the best angle for posturing about his superior gamer taste, and so we get this nonsense about muh difficulty and le cultural impact and the character-assassinating hunter's journal flavor text, instead of concrete value judgementsi would like to complain about these games to people with a modicum of comprehension, instead of being surrounded by such profound posts like "looks like a flash game, why would i even pay for that?" and "i fucking hate games where the player character talks" those are REAL OPINIONS, expressed by REAL ANONYMOUS posters
>>750640426>combatmogged by nine sols>movement mogged by lost crown>boss fightsmogged by nine sols and lost crown>exploration and map designmogged by mio and hollow knight>music and atmospheremogged by mio, ori and hollow knight>artstylemogged by blasphemous>story mogged by nine sols and mio>charactersmogged by nine sols>originality and creativitymogged by tunic and animal well
>>750651092Yeah, I became aware of that while playing. Shakra for instance is a god awful character. Hey look she's strong and cool and badass and has no weaknesses, isn't that cool?I think they did an okay job with the story, I just don't think it was as strong as HK. I think if I were doing it, I would make "Silk" be a bigger element and driver of the story. Maybe they feud over control of it like the Spice in Dune. Maybe Silk comes alive like the Abyss and resists GMS or tears her apart, idk
>>750650335I still don't like HK, because it's genuinely crap and highly derivative of other games, but I respect Silksong for having fair combat and level design, which is a rarity in Metroidvanias. Until act 3 at least.
>>750651149Afterimage is fuckhuge but it’s not as polished as Silksong.
>>750651496you are entitled to your own opinion and all that but can you point out the unfair elements in act 3?
>>750651902Well there's a boss where the ground disappears and you have to fight it while bouncing off a wall on the opposite side. If you didn't plan for it by bringing projectiles, which I didn't, it's a very miserable fight. I did beat it on my first try but I wasn't happy.
>>750651470There were something like 10x the amount of dialogue lines in SS and it amounted to nothing The story is all over the place and has no anchor or focus. You have the GMS stuff, Lace stuff, the industrial exploitation stuff, the internal factions in the Citadel, Weavers period, Void stuff etc, conductor period for the citadel, experiments, refugee/pilgrim stuff. Snail Shamans, blue gooNone of this is particularly coherent or fits together. Its added on top of each other. GMS, for example, has nothing to do with industrial exploitation. And Weaver alien tech has nothing to do with anyone else. Its just tacked on. Compare HK. You have the city and the crisis. Radiance and PK are locked in struggle. Everything flows from that. Soul experiments? Due to the very real crisis. Void experiments? Pale Kings solution. The more you learn, the more you understand. Oh that's where Hornet comes from! Etc. everything fits neatly together. There's not nearly the same care in SS world building. Things are tacked on haphazardly
>>750651381Look at all these games anon needs to pile up to reach a fraction of Silksong's power.
>>750652110are you talking about the Coral Tower Gauntlet? Cause thats not a boss
>>750652213All lore-based games are like that. There's no coherent narrative. People seem to enjoy it so it's not for you I guess.
>>750640426It was just okay. Pretty forgettable because of how generic it is.
>>750652213>refugee/pilgrim stuffThis stuff was genuinely great. Best part of the game for me. All the naive devout pilgrim NPCs trying their best in a world they are too weak to exist in. Gave me serious feels. Especially that little guy's funeral where they just hurl his fragile little corpse into the grotto at the start.
>>750641181>act 3 gets tedious and i don't know whyLet’s see:>hardly any new areas to explore>no new upgrades/items>no new enemies, just normal enemies randomly given a buff that makes them more obnoxious to kill/avoid>”final boss” is just a rehash/reskin of Lace 2 with the obnoxious buff mentioned aboveAnd on the topic of that last thing, I wouldn’t even have minded if they reused Lace for the final boss if it was done in an Ornstein/Smough-esque way as a duo fight against her and GMS, but TC literally picked one of worst and laziest options possible.If this game really was the peak of the genre, it wouldn’t have any of the objective flaws I pointed out in this post.And one more thing:>inb4 anyone “filtered” or “Git Gud”Laugh while you can fuckers, you won’t be smiling when the code monkey goes full Looney Troon and either turns Hollow Knight into more soulless propaganda or gets TC shut down over transphobia allegations.
>>750640947Sounds like a skill issue.
>>750653000It’s on my to-play list. I’ve heard good things.
>>750652754i ain't arguing with your problems, but using>objectivelike that is the midwittiest shit imaginablebesides the fact that you are just setting yourself up for a UHM AYCKSHUALLY gotcha if you were not exactly correct, objective does not mean A POINT SO SELF-EVIDENTLY CORRECT THAT TO DENY IT IS AKIN TO DENYING THE SUN IN THE SKY, it means measureableand measureable things are simply orthogonal to general quality, unless you are talking about performance specifically
>>750653123You can take my testimony to the bank, it’s all true, literally everything Silksong should’ve been and more, as well as being released almost 2 whole years sooner.Don’t mean to shit on you if you like Silksong btw, just saying you’re in for a real treat.
>>750653304its not better than Silksong thats a delusional take. It does peak higher than Silksong in terms of boss fights though. True Eigong far surprasses Lost Lace.>>750653123once the combat clicks youre gonna have a great time. Dont give up on it until then
>>750653000>"skill issue" posting about a game with an easy difficulty mode
>>750653191How is the fact that Act 3 and the true final boss were objectively lacklustre compared to the rest of the game despite how long the game took to cook not a flaw?
>>750653481Wooosh
>>750640426yes, nothing has hit the same since
>>750653000>Still no news from the devs regarding a new gameITS BEEN TWO YEARS STOP SHILLING THE GODDAMN MERCH AND DO SOMETHING
>>750653963They already said they’re not doing anymore content for 9S and moving onto other projects.As disappointing as that is, mad respect to them for still trying to do new stuff despite having a cash cow they could easily milk until Taiwan is annexed by China.
>>750653540apparently starting my post with I AM NOT ARGUING AGAINST THE POINTS YOU RAISED was not quite enough, so here's a repeatgo read how formal logic works, or what's the difference from subjectivity, or just cut the OBJECTIVELY part from your posts entirely because it adds nothing to your positions and only undermines itunless, of course, you know all that, and you have set up a formally verifiable system of video game criticisms, in which case: post your owrk
>>750654352>post your owrkYou got it, boss.
>>750654194I just hope that the ARG game isn't a hint that they're experimenting with doing the cliche thing that indie studios like to do of swapping mediums from 2D to 3D following a big success. They have a great team of traditional artists.
>>750654716Honestly, as nice as 9S’s phenomenal art style surviving a potential transition to 3D would be, it wouldn’t be the end of the world for me if it stayed exclusive to 9S, so long as Red Candle successfully brought all the mechanical and writing quality 9S also had into the new 3D thing.
>>750652598Yeah but it doesn't mix well with whatever is going on in the main citadel. They're all undead except some people are inducted? For whose benefit? Conductors or GMS? No one is actually singing any songs though. They don't have a grand choir that we see actually perform music. What do the pilgrims actually *get* for making the trip? For Hallownest, who also has a form of pilgrim's route, the goal is obviously just to be inside Hallownest, the richest and most comfy place to live, lavish with amenities See what I mean?
>>750656194How about there is another Radiance-style moth entity that is the true creator and owner of silk, and the GMS entity usurped and stole it and built the citadel, but because she isn't the real possessor of silk she becomes jealous and insecure, and sends her bugs to capture all those capable of producing silk so she can either possess them or wipe them out, and the climax involves re-awakening the older entity and setting it on GMS to restore silk back to its true owner. I don't know, I'm just spitballing ideas I think would be a more satisfying ending.
>>750652308>supposed peak of the genre doesn't peak in any categoryjack of all trade master of none
>>750657025how much were you mindbroken by this game to make you this angry at it? poor anon
>>750656194Yeah but it doesn't mix well with whatever is going on in the main citadel. They're all undead except some people are inducted? For whose benefit? Conductors or GMS?Agree with you there. For all the threat and scope the lore claims the Haunting has, it’s quite selective on who it >zombifies so the plot can happen. No one is actually singing any songs though.If Choral Chambers is an indicator, any pilgrims that can sing well enough to maintain GMS’s sleep have their life force drained and imbibed in the countless statues you find there, presumably so they can be made to sing automatically and indefinitely.>They don't have a grand choir that we see actually perform music.Once again, the life force-imbued statues of Choral Chambers seem to be that “choir”. >What do the pilgrims actually *get* for making the trip?Either slavery or death, which still eventually leads to slavery anyways because of GMS’s silk.The whole “pilgrim’s journey” of Pharloom is a giant honeypot schemed up by GMS and the Weavers, then continued by the Conductors to get free slaves and ensure loyalty from their subjects, with things like the Last Judge acting as bouncers to knock off anyone who either doesn’t make the cut or smart enough to realize they’re being had and therefore pose a threat to the conspiracy.
dae like act 1 the best?
>>750657243Yeah but we should be able to see the actual function of the Conductor's citadel system at least partially. Here is where they sing, this is how the sound goes to GMS, this is the audience chamber here is where they practice and these are the (giant) locker rooms for the pause between acts etc etc The Citadel does not appear to function. Enemies are just themed enemies and not people
>>750652754>no new upgrades/itemsneedle upgrade, extra mask, pinmaster's badge, pale nails skill, entire shaman crestyou had to lie that early in your post, so you obviously never had anything relevant to contribute
>>750657450my favourite run of Silksong has you stay in act 1 and seeing how much of it can you unlock while always staying in act 1. It was so fun once you get that double jump
>>750657564>needle upgradeFair enough, but 0.02%+ isn’t all that much to cheer for>extra maskUseless if you don’t already have 3 other pieces>pinmaster's badgeFair enough>pale nails skillFair enough>entire shaman crestYou already start working for that in Act 2 the second you speak to the snail priests
>>750657183Where do you see anger in my post? I liked silksong, it's a great metroidvania but insanely overrated and to me was a disappointment after waiting all that time.
>>750657964Bait
>>750641181It’s really not. I played through it the first time and was salty about the game wasting my time when in reality I was just being a shitter. I went back to HK and finally did the final pantheon then came back to SS and did everything else including 100% steel soul.It’s a great game and everything has a weakness that you just need to learn to exploit. Also beating Seth’s scores at the flea games maybe took like 20 minutes.Waiting for sea of sorrows…
>>750640426Moadra is better
silksong's premise, story and world are too weak to be top of anythingthe gameplay is alright but it lacks truly good boss fightssinner and karmelita were good, the rest are better off not existing type of mediocre
>>750659189Oh this one came out last week. Thanks for shilling.
>>750641995If your game is well designed, then the hardest boss will naturally be the best.
>>750659189visually unappealing from a first glance
>>750641343Yep. I beat the game and never want to play it again. I admire the sheer level of autism on display, but I'll just go back to arranging my pencil collection by how long they are in my spare time thank you.
>>750640426It’s time to admit that you haven't played another game from the entire genre
FARIDU LA SIMANET
>>750640426It's quantity over quality
>>750659365were you just mashing attack or something?
>>750640426Not even better than Zero Mission, and that's saying something.
>>750650823>storyline progressionwhofuckingcaresread a book or something SHITTER
>>750651381>MIOKEKplease stop posting
>>750640426Despite all its polish Silksong ultimately doesn't have as much soul as its own predecessor.
>>750664384>who caresThe devs since they're willing to turn the game into a slog to accomodate it.
>>750640426darksouls brainroted fanbase and troon devs truly the worst fall of an upcoming franchise in the last decade. can't wait to see when they release hk3 and it flops and all you retards will have to admit troonsong killed hk
>>750664645the gameplay is better though
>>750664998It's still 70% mindlessly walking through areas where nothing of note happens for minutes at a time.
>trim down the map so it's not so bloated>remove shards as a mechanic and a filler collectable>remove all of the side quests>remove rosaries and distribute the shop items in amongst the remaining filler collectable locations>cut act 3 and distribute its bosses amongst act 2There I fixed the game
>>750640426Maybe. It is great but more frustrating than fun in many places
>>750664494nah, it's goty 2026
>>750651381my nigga fellow Nine Sols Chad
>>750640426it isn't even better than hollow knight
>>750665117right but thats the genrepeople apparently like that part thats why the genre keeps selling millions
Belmont's Curse being so thoroughly mediocre in every way made me appreciate Silksong more.
>>750659365In the original pretty much everything about the story revolved in some way around the Radiance vs Pale King conflict, and every area had its own piece to say about that history and of how the local inhabitants came to respond to the infection. With Silksong, they seem to have a harder time of committing to a single central conflict to tie everything into. There's the Weavers v GMS, Citadel v old Pharloom, and Pharloom v the Abyss. A lot of great environmental storytelling is built up about the conflict between the Citadel and old Pharloom, but then the Act 2 Climax is all about GMS and the Weavers with the Citadel stuff not really factoring into any of that - in Act 3 everything gets hijacked by Abyss goop.
>>750664645Silksong is to hollow knight what dkc 2 is to dkc 1
>>750640426WHERE'S THE DLC????????
>>750652396They are talking about the plant thing after Seth secondary
Mogged before it even released
I didn't like how unlike with Hollow Knight bosses didn't drop important upgrades.I understand that they put them in the weaver dens for lore reasons, but it felot shitty be to beat a boss and get no loot, no upgrades, no mask shards, no new tools, etc.A beaten boss usually just clared the way, nothing more. It just didn't feel as rewarding.
>>750675425I know exactly how you feel, the Skarr gank duo at the top of Hunter’s March was my first experience with this.I even got up there early by kiting and bouncing on the flying larvae, and I never felt so swindled when I finally beat them, they dropped nothing and there was only a tiny midget cricket shit pile of rosaries in the next room.
>>750676771it could have been fixed by leaning on soulsfaggotryhave bosses drop lore items with no gameplay effect, just a little description that gives you extra insight about the worldyou could get a little piece of dialogue with certain npcs if you have the right item, maybe they'll trade you certain items for roseriesthis is very cheap work-wise and would have made the experience less shitty
>>750640426I mean... yeah. Hard to really argue with that unless you suck. >so you're saying no other metroidvanias or goodNo, dumbass. Lots of good ones. There is a metroidvania I personally liked slightly more than silksong. But its still the peak of the genre.
>>750677289I really don’t know why they changed enemies/bosses dropping Geo upon death, call it derivative of the Souls games or whatever but it just works so much better.The whole Rosary/Shard system screams of TC replicating pic related just to stand out.
>>750640426I realized this after fighting First Sinner and then held my breath waiting for the game to shit the bed only for it to keep getting better. >>750641995Karmelita is the best, but I had way more trouble on Lace 3.0>>750651149Afterimage is ridiculously big
>>750665793>cut act 3 and distribute its bosses amongst act 2By cut act 3 you mean cut the areas rightand not cut the story ?
>>750679079I mean cut the padding. Can probably get away with cutting the story too. Lace fucking sucks and outside of a knight cameo the void is worthless
>>750640426That would be La Mulana actually but Silksong is a close second.>>750640741Based.
Every thread on this shit board is retarded faggots that should be killed.
>>750681583Not me and not my threads I'm smart.
I beat karmelita but got filtered by seth and dropped it. will go back and play it all again when dlc drops. I have zero respect for retarded mongoloids who actually think hk1 is better, SS blows it away in literally every aspect
>>750640426Not really there's some flaws with it that are big.Like how most items are useless/redundant.A lot of boss fights are bad and too easy.The map, art, and music are top tier.The rest are very flawed.
>>750682673also forgot to add.act 3 sucked and has too much time wasting emptinessthose side quests were abysmal, no idea why they made fetch mmoquests a thing Platforming was great, the combat is smooth but the bosses are worse than HK on avg.A lot of the tools/movesets are just mediocre and bad, the game is overall unbalanced.its also less novel since its a direct sequel.
It’s time to admit that this is not coming out this year
I personally think Silksong has much higher highs than hollow knight, and much better movement, but I do think Act 1 kinda holds it back a little. Its a lot more linear compared to Hollow Knight in the early game, with only two major intended ways to start Act 2. Clawline, which is probably the best movement upgrade in the game for me, isn't learned until act 2, as well.
>>750682854>those side quests were abysmal, no idea why they made fetch mmoquests a thing Something something Hornet learning not to be a tyrannical cunt like GMS, even though it was shown she already wasn’t because she inherited her father’s empathy and was likely taught to be the antithesis to everything GMS/Pharloom stood for by Herrah every chance she got.
>>750682928Unless they do another "coming out in two weeks" trailer soon, then yeah.
Music is mediocre. Metroid and Castlevania mog it on average
>>750640426Metroidvanias unironically peaked with SOTN. But I've got nothing to say about that strange "open world platformera mistakenly categorized as metroidvania" genre, never cared about it.
Silksong is easily the best Metroidvania. It's also the best action game of all time but that's a discussion for another day.>>750683645SOTN is way too easy to actually be considered good. Same with all Metroid games and Igavanias.
>>750683929>SOTN is way too easy to actually be considered goodMidwit stance
>>750641995Groal is harder but he sucks shit
>>750640426mogged by e33
One of 100~ items made, the statue is pretty good quality. Just wanted to share.
>>750685532too thickhornet should be stick
>>750685567I imagine it wouldn't be stable if it was that thin. Plus there is a second body piece that shows her tits and cunt so you couldn't have that either.
>>750652110>If you didn't plan for it by bringing projectiles, which I didn't, it's a very miserable fight.Did you forget you have clawline, or are you just shit at the game?
>>750642612Rabi-Ribi is literal garbage and only carried by its Gochiusa artstyle which is also absolute garbage for MOEtards with no taste.
>>750673678Nine Sols is good, but its more of a combat game.
>>750664645>soulIt really just comes down to this for me, and a lot of it has to do with HK's soundtrack, atmosphere, and plot compared to SS's. There are a lot of examples to choose from, but just compare Dream No More to Sister of the Void.In HK, there's this immense foreboding as you enter the Black Egg, with distant echoes and an understated violin playing as panels illuminate the ground beneath the Knight with each step. You break the Hollow Knight's bindings one by one as the strings swell to a crescendo, culminating in a bellowing roar echoing from deep within your now-freed sibling. Halfway through, the epic music is replaced by a melancholic violin, and you're forced to put your sibling down while it self-mutilates in a desperate attempt to purge the infection stirring inside it. You're whisked into a distant dream to challenge the source of the contagion plaguing Hallownest, only for the sun in the background to unfurl and reveal the Radiance. Void consumes the dream, and the forsaken god, whose voice once resounded in a frantic bid to not be forgotten, goes silent. The Pale King's forlorn offspring are finally put to rest.https://youtu.be/ze0Rk-m0w2A?t=274The GMS ending comes close to reaching this sense of grandeur, with Hornet having to bind her repeatedly to drain her silk and supersede her, but hers is an otherwise short and underwhelming fight. Comparatively, Silksong's true ending is like if Hornet showed up and fused with the Radiance, and you had to fight Hornet 3 to beat the game (i.e. Hornet 2, but with orange goop attacks). The end cutscene is a wet fart of a deus ex machina and a clumsy, last-minute attempt at linking SS to HK's Dream No More ending. Lace herself is an uncompelling character with juvenile, self-serving motivations, and her self-pitying spiel to Hornet before she plunges into the Void doesn't serve to redeem her. I, as a player, have no incentive to save Lace other than to prevent the Void from consuming Pharloom.
>>750664998For every enemy that is playtested for the Knight, there is at the least half an enemy playtested for the Hornet. And its only as functional as it is, because of how polished it is. But its still pretty sour.
Silksong is a monumental downgrade in terms of world structure and especially atmosphere. It has a mildly better platforming mechanics but i think all combat additions were either half assed or completely over-designed and unnecessary like shell shards and only hurt the combat formula.These devs also never managed to move past "the most dangerous boss move is his hitbox randomly teleporting inside the player model" boss design even diehard fans of the first game criticized it for. The map is fucking barren for interesting exploration rewards. The game is twice as big as the first HK but it has the same amount of mask upgrdes, this alone makes it a complete slog to traverse, but they also gated a huge chunk of charms behind vendors and not exploration for some reason, hell not even bosses and gauntlets give you jack shit for rewards.I'm still baffled this game has diehard defenders honestly. If i want good precision platforming i would rather play lost crown or aeterna noctis. For combat i will play Nine Sols. For a huge sprawling interconnected world with tons of shit to find i would replay salt and sanctuary.
>>750693468>These devs also never managed to move past "the most dangerous boss move is his hitbox randomly teleporting inside the player model" boss design even diehard fans of the first game criticized it for.They doubled down on it by making almost every boss do double damage from the start
>>750693468I like that they gave enemy AI delaying postures in their build up to throw the player's dodge timing out of whack. Those huge rats in Greymoor were a great example. Instead of just charging they will sometimes do a scream/taunt before the charge to throw you off. HK's combat didn't have stuff like this.
>>750640518Worse than that, it's tranime. Australians are the worst weebs.
>>750693468Just because it has its issues compared to the first, it doesnt keep it from utterly mogging the competition, and it has a lot of uniquely great things, so yeah it has a lot of defenders obviously>for combat i will play nine solslol lmaoI dont get how people are so wowed by the most braindead dumbed down version of sekiro combat. The bosses and enemies in that game are comically uninteractive they are on a fucking tape recorder.
>>750693881>The bosses and enemies in that game are comically uninteractiveThis is so funny coming from silksong defender
>>750693468>>750693565There is a balance. Some bosses like Groal and Beastfly its... egregious But on the other hand of the spectrum there is the mad chef and the Skull Tyrant.
>>750693943Enemies in silksong actually have their AI avidly care about your actions. For crying out loud, bosses like Lace will actually parry and counter you, the fact 9S has practically zero instances of this is fucking laughable considering its a sekiro clone.Also, silksong encourages relentless agression because theres the stagger mechanic that greatly rewards you for being able to hit constantly and repeatedly, that paired with the cooler enemy AI and more fleshed out dynamic moveset makes it so much more fun to dance with them.Even fatass enemies without knockback are often super interactive, like using your own clever movement or use of crest to make Savage Beastfly go right where you want it.Enemies like the pin wielder knights in the citadel, the sentinels leading to the city in the blasted steps, the ambush guys in the swamp, etc are genuinely dynamic cool foes that do cool shit and their entire AI is dictated by what youre actually doing. Its a real interactive fight. Meanwhile 9S bosses have little to no remarkable behavior beyond trying to get in distance then doing whatever attack. Theres also way more cases of reflecting shit back at enemies or niggerlicious flying enemies or.. or...Sure there are some shitty outliers like Trobbio but they are a minority overall.Maybe 9S fanboys should go play sekiro for once. That game does every single aspect of enemy and their attacks infinitely better
>>750694090I feel like when your difficulty solely, and the key word is solely, comes from the fact that the boss has double touch damage at all times, and the attacks themselves aren't very threatening, then you have failed at creating a good boss fight.
>>750694265thats not really the case though
>>750694107>the ambush guys in the swampI completed the game twice and still have yet to actually kill one of these fuckers outside of the Groal boss room
>>750694107>bosses like Lace will actually parry and counter youJiequan has parry moves. You are shitposting about a game you've never played.
>>750694512It is. The millisecond they turn contact damage off you get laughingstocks like mother silk. These devs are wholly incompetent when it comes to designing proper challenge so they rely on 40 years old crutches.
>>750694560nta: What the fuck are you smoking? no he doesnt. i didnt have any when i fought him. i dont see any mention of a parry move on the wiki.what he does is bring up a shield before he drinks from a teapot, which he does without giving the slightest shit about what the player is doing. If you think thats comparable to what something like lace or the pin knights do then you are actually insane
>>750694560>One boss in the entire sekiro-like has a parry (((((((((((citation needed)))))))))))Wow man, you sure showed me
>>750694869>i dont see any mention of a parry move on the wiki.Maybe you should actually play the game shitposter kun
>>750694560wheres the parry?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WafOaJ0bYZ8
>>750694897Yes i did and i first tried yingzhao, xingtian, yanlao, jiequan, kanghui, ji and three-tried eigong because i had already played sekiro before. So it is possible i am missing on one or two features of the movesetBut apparently the entirety of fucking youtube also cannot find this mythical jiequan parry move you speak of
>>750694107>Enemies in silksong actually have their AI avidly care about your actions.Both silksong and nine sols use the same type of ai scripting on the same engine no less. Spearfags will change their behaviour depending on the range as an example, doing either short range slashes or long range charges. Specters will counter teleport out of your attacks to leave a landmine behind.>Also, silksong encourages relentless agression because theres the stagger mechanic that greatly rewards you for being able to hit constantly and repeatedlyNine Sols has stagger mechanic too, in fact it has a far wider variety of them depending on the enemy. Parrying red attacks causes stagger, charged parries create entire windows of opportunity for punishment, talisman detonation has a stagger and several bosses have unique stagger states associated with them. Some enemies have shields you can break for a stagger too.>like using your own clever movement or use of crest to make Savage Beastfly go right where you want it.I dunno what this word salad even means but the very fact you're trying to dickride silksong's noninteractive flying shitboxes is hilarious.>Maybe 9S fanboys should go play sekiro for once. 9 sols is literally, LITERALLY a huge mechanical step up over sekiro. Both talisman detonation and charged deflect are awesome mechanics, charged deflect is by far the best idea of the game and there's nothing like it in silksong as well.
>>750694962>Yes i did and i first tried yingzhao, xingtian, yanlao, jiequan, kanghui, ji and three-tried eigong because i had already played sekiro beforeWhy post such shitty bait? Even professional souls-like players (ie. people literally being paid to play souls-likes all day everyday) took at least an hour on Eigong. Why post such nonsense.
>silktrannies immediately feel threatened by nine solsAlways fun to see
>>750695220Why force a rivalry? Both are good games.
I already admitted it when i completed it. Hollow knight does some things better but overall silksong is way better
>>750689813Sorry for your shit taste. It's the only metroidvania with good bosses.
If I want good boss fights I'll play a 3D game
>>7506957403D action games don't have good bosses. Even most 2D games don't have good bosses despite being better on average.
>>750695962
>>750651073no, tranny game is when one of the devs is a tranny, you fucking retarded faggot
>>750695178>professional souls like playersbiggest meme conceivable9S is literrally just shallower sekrio. If youre good at sekiro you can rape 9S, it uses mostly the same skills but dumber
>>750696294If you're such a genius l33t gamer and better than everyone else, then start a YouTube channel and you'll never have to work again.
>>750696346>you HAVE to turn your hobby into a job and become internet famous, it's the ultimate goal in lifeWhy are zoomers like this?
>>750640426Killmonger of Persia clears desu
>>750695151>Both silksong and nine sols use the same type of ai scriptingtheir actual behaviors and ammount of things they consider are completely uncomparable. t. modded both>Same engineholy fucking retard. this alone means you have zero concept of actually making an enemy ai or even programming anything. Making a decision tree like that does not care about your engine, can do just about anything in just about whatever you want in this department, completely different styles. You can do almost anything with almost anything. It doesnt matter if its UE or Unity or godot or love2d or whatever the fuck, you can genuinely go ahead and make whatever the hell you want!either way it should be blatant how much more reactive silksong enemies are by sheer common sense. >9S has a stagger mechanic too!!All your methods you mentioned are one-button things you can do while playing really passively. If you cant see why someone would prefer actually having to hammer the enemy and constantly back and forth with them instead of getting rewarded for free by playing simon says then thats actual retardation>9S is a huge mechanical step over sekiro lol lmaoYeah the charged parry is okay and the talismans are based. The back and forth with the enemy being entirely removed, the zero commitance attacks, the much blander AI and the much blander interpretation of perilous attacks aint great. 9S also hardly has enemy animations and attack chains being affected by your deflects which adds so much to style and feel and fun. Like nigga, theres a reason why sekiro and HK alike mog 9S so much in reception and popularity. 9S is the only one of the three that is partly a worse version of an existing game's combat. Not to mention 9S's utter dogshit hitboxes compared to sekiro's good hitboxes because fromsoft actually bothered to make the game feel good when not doing the default canned answer to everything.
I need an expert Hollow Knighter to weigh in on this: Is Lace super cute?
>>750640426found it too hard to be enjoyablebeating the bosses felt like a chore, im glad it was over
>>750650823What is time-wasting?
>game has another not!shinespark>it's even worse than the first oneWhy even bother if you're not gonna do it properly?
>>750694512Groal has animation cycles, which means he technically can start flying clockwise or counter clockwise towards you At any time.Its weird, because baiting out the inhale is consistent, but the rest of his moveset is a mess.And Groal isn't that unique.
>>750697619the cutest in the whole world
>>750697619Lace posting is the most forced shit. There's nothing redeemable or interesting about this disgusting creature.
>>750698019>Mad cuz bad
>>750698046I don't see a Lace statue, do you? I thought so.
>>750683065>but I do think Act 1 kinda holds it back a littleyeah, the first 30min/2hours on a replay are somehow worse than hollow knight
>>750698073>off modeloh no no no
>>750698152Your autism is appealing to nobody, not even you.
>>750693468>has a mildly better platforming mechanicsthis is a massive understatementbetter movement made the locations in silksong better to explore than in hollow knight to me, simply because the day-to-day action was more satisfyingsinner's road is prime example, even without clawline dealing with the flying enemies there while pogoing on the spikes is just funand it's not a mandatory platforming challenge like white palace. it's just a random area
>>750698265hornet is just cuter when she is scrawny, sorry buddy i dont make the rules
>>750695962apologize
>>750698376>Didn't post ElvisFor shame>>750698304Your autism is appealing to nobody, not even you.
>>750640426There's nothing to admit. People agreed it was a month after release. Team Cherry is PEAK.
>>750640426It does nothing interesting. Basic movement, basic combat, basic exploration. Just average at best.
>>750698142I really do wish swift step was just a default part of the kit. You get so used to it, that doing a replay really shows how slow you are at the start.
>>750698407i just think it's funny how mad you are over nothing. i like lace and am posting in what is, by my estimation, a completely inoffensive manner. you just want trouble for the sake of it. you could just not reply.
>>750698523Which metroidvania is not "basic" in your opinion?
>>750698561Ones with actually interesting movement mechanics like Rusted Moss.
>>750696294this is wrongI had 300+ hours on sekiro resurrection and LMTSR mod and got filtered for hours against the brother sister festive fight or webm, more than against eigong. Hitboxes are a bit jank in that game and as many other anons have posted ITT, enemies lack reactivity to your action. Nine sols is still great but it's not without its faults
>>750640426There is a reason the genre has become Hollw-likes instead of Metroidvanias. Its only flaw is it is too difficult for the majority of Metroidvania players causing them to lose their minds anytime the game is mention. If it didn't filter so many players by forcing them to pay attention to simple boss patterns and react it would be an uncontested peak of its genre.
>>750698617based post but I still enjoyed silksong more
There is never going to be a sincere discussion about this game because the current generation of gamers are idiots. They legit believe that Elden Ring, Doom Eternal, and Silksong are the peak of gaming. You would have to have brain damage to even put these games in your top ten games of all time. The amount of cognitive dissonance it takes to base your whole personality on the fact that you beat a difficult game and then simultaneously claim that it is actually not a difficult game is quite impressive though.
>>750698617iron bramble will make you cream your pants (and that's a good thing)
>>750698654>>750698692All I ever wanted is a good game that uses grapple hooks properly like in Worlds Adrift instead of like glorified teleports like in enshrouded or zelda. Do my eyes deceive me or is that what I'm seeing?
>>750698685My only position has always been that I simply enjoy the game. I don't see any sense in ranking experiences. I play games to have fun, not deconstruct the idea of enjoyment itself and regurgitate it out as word vomit for other troglodytes to internalize, some without even having played the games. It's a worthless pursuit.
>>750698758it is what you're seeing but there's a bit of a learning curve, even after playing the game a lot the momentum and physics sometimes make me a little frustratedbtw play umihara kawase if rusted moss doesn't do it for youthat or webbed, cat cradle
>>750698685As far as /v/ is concerned, Doom Eternal's biggest sin is unironically being too hard for them. Neo-/v/ sucks dick at any game that requires mechanical skill or APM and so Doom Eternal is their kryptonite. >Buy Doom Eternal>"Huh I'm a gamer, right. I've played games before, I've beaten Doom games before. I've got this.">Selects Nightmare on their blind playthrough>Get brutally assraped>Spend the next 10 straight years crying about itModern /v/ is a bunch of washed up old men with extremely atrophied motor skills, but can't handle that fact, and lash out in blind tardrage at any game that challenges this delusion.
>>750698636of course your mileage may vary, theres some people who are very bad at sekiro that are very good at nine sols and vice versa>>750698654it gets a little stale when you post the exact same webm for the 41035th time
>>750698885Fuckin loved Webbed. Wanted so much more of that, reminded me of Triachnid which I also loved so much.
>>750649818You folks are legitimately the most retarded fanbase I have ever witnessed.
Lace is pretty cute. Her mom on the other hand? Now thats a smokeshow
>>750698957it's the one that comes at the top when I type rusted moss in everything by voidtools
For me? It's Metroid Zero Mission
>>750697619What were they thinking naming her Lace when she doesn't have any fucking lace anywhere in her design???
>>750698617>>750698692>unplayable unless you have a cyberathlete keyboard + mousenah, I'm good
So Belmont's Curse is getting DLC right? I assume it's gonna be that mirror across from the Dracula mirror and it'll lead to that big swirl to the left of the Clock Tower
>>750699007GMS is a tragic character. Autistic, retarded god woman fucks everything up by making idiotic emotional decisions but she really does love her daughter enough to die for her.
>>750699150I finished the arduous DLC climb at work on a cheap logitech office and mouse
>>750699150>twin stickJust use a controller you neanderthal
That one annoying faggot who comes into every single Metroidvania thread to shill Nine Sols perfectly encapsulates why modern /v/ sucks ass at games. Nine Sols is mid as fuck at basically everything that makes a Metroidvania game>Very limited exploration/movement abilities, you get a double jump and that's it>Almost no sense of map progression, unlocks, or backtracking as related to your movement progression. You head through every zone basically once, with the sole exception of the central hub, and your route is dictated entirely by the story unlocking doors at fixed progression points>Similarly, your combat isn't about your items, abilities, or positioning, it's a route reaction test where you mash parry and wait the enemies to give you talisman openings. You have a few comparatively minor variations in playstyle, but the charm/jade system is calibrated to require extreme sacrifices to do anything super exotic, and generally the game is terrified of giving you any abilities that could plausibly circumvent the Bop-It gameplay loopNine Sols is genuinely shallow on a mechanical level, propped up almost solely by excellent art design and story. The fact that virtually every fucking Metroidvania thread these days turns into a Nine Sols shill thread shows how little the "regulars" on this board value depth or freedom of expression anymore. They want the one button parryslop gameplay and railroaded world design because they've forgotten how to play videogames.
>>750699197So? Anything is possible if you reload 2000 times. Same logic as any "impossible" challenge run on YT. You'll just keep cursing and reloading until it works.
>>750699358anon some segments I first tried without focusthere were hard parts sure that required retries but it wasn't that different from your average videogame asking mastery, skill and perseveranceanyway I'll stop talking about rusted moss ITT it's supposed to be a silksong thread
this thread made me want to do another steel soul run which I will begin now
>>750699334Nine Sols is a currently trending parryslop type game + has an interesting (and direct, unlike the other soulslikes) narrative. It's not hard to see why it's popular.>but it doesn't do XYZ well, so it's a bad metroidvaniaHonestly, who cares? Games are not checkboxes, and it's not a competition. We just don't have a better label for these types of games, so people call it a metroidvania because that's the closest thing.
>>750685617What's the item name/company?
>>750699483i wish i hadnt done steelsoul i have such a craving to play right now Sea of Sorrow needs to hurry up
>>750699598https://www.orzgk.com/product/dtalon-studio-hornet-hollow-knight/You're shit out of luck though, it was 1 in 200
>>750699564Not every game has to be a metroidvania to be good, you wouldn't judge Bayonetta by how good it is at backtracking through an interconnected world. Nine Sols is barely a metroidvania, but is a solid 2D action game if parryslop is your jam. The problem is the tards on this board who THINK it's what a Metroidvania is and that it's a model for Metroidvanias to follow. It's exposing the posters, not the game.
>>750696814The Lost Crown is in the same tier as Silksong.
>>750699732>The problem is the tards on this board who THINK it's what a Metroidvania is and that it's a model for Metroidvanias to follownta but I would say the same about HK fans
My opinion of Silksong softened considerably after waiting a few months and doing a second playthrough of it. However I still maintain that it's got a pretty bad case of the devs saying "yo our playtesters who have 1500 hours of practice killed this boss in one try, nerf everything." Once you already have a rough, half-remembered idea of how things work, Silksong is pretty fun. But that first playthrough is absolutely miserable. I think that's a valid complaint.
>>750700021HK is at least a Metroidvania that follows the conventions of the Metroidvania genre. There's no denying that it is a modern Metroidvania game. It's not the same thing as that one terminally online anon who brings up games like Nine Sols, which are only 10% Metroidvania at best, and says >yo this genre sucks ass, I hate positioning and navigating, look at my 2D Sekiro game instead.
>>750700039Nah, the Trobbio guy (the indie dev that voiced him and helped playtest the game due to being IRL friends with TC) said in an interview that the game was much harder during the testing, so they consciously made it a lot easier over the years.It's just the same type of game as Cuphead or Sekiro, long and hard on your first playthrough, but trivial once you know everything. So basically, a git gud game.
>>750640426Take me to the sea already
>>750700125It does, but I don't think it does the actual metroidvania parts all that well. It has a heavy emphasis on combat and boss fights, which is fine, but I feel like it becomes detrimental to the core exploration and the character progression that feeds into it. I'm also getting real sick of every indie metroidvania shoehorning in a corpse run just because HK had it
>>750700163It's not just being a git gud game, it's how you implement that difficulty. In Silksong's case it's because they clearly looked at speedrunners beating P5 in 20 minutes (nevermind guys like Fireborn put thousands of hours in the game to achieve that) and said "This is unacceptable, I can't believe someone one-cycled Gruz Mother. How can you appreciate the beauty of her two-attack moveset with that Abyss Shriek spam??" Looking back at launch month, I made pic related out of frustration at how gimped Hornet is in a fight. That's still true, it's just that after you already know in advance how to play around how gimped she is, it stops being so painful. That diagonal pogo, for example, NEVER feels good. You might learn how to play around it, but it's always contrived.
>>750700502Hunter pogo is my favourite pogo and i will not tolerate slander of any kind. Its also undeniably the best combat pogo in the game.
>>750700502Just try Cuphead please, it's much harder than Silksong and tons of kids play it, boss patterns are much more complex, you can't heal at all, no tools to spam or other crutches. The only difference is Cuphead wasn't thrust into the mainstream like Silksong was. Over 1 million gamer dads rushed to download the hyped up cute bug game and got humiliated.
>>750700725Cuphead is NOT more difficult than Silksong. I remember while i was doing practice for P5AB back in HK i 300%ed a savefile in Cuphead as a way to relax. For a casual playthrough Silksong is vastly harder than Cuphead
>>750700725Cuphead totally was pseudo-mainstream in the same way that Shovel Knight and Hollow Knight originally were.
>>750700725You are everything >>750698685 was talking about
>>750700352Who says metroidvanias don't traditionally have corpse runs? Check this out. It's just that you don't die as often in a lot of classical metroidvanias because they're easier.
>>750700725>The only difference is Cuphead wasn't thrust into the mainstream like Silksong was.It actually kind of was, complete shitters at my uni were seething about cuphead back then
>>750701012Long checkpoints != corpse run. You don't need to go grab all your missiles each time you die in Metroid for fear of losing them
>>750678009them deciding to tie tools refilling to a resource was a mistake in itself imoit made me not want to use tools
>>750701135You do in Metroid 1 aktshually.
almost all problems tied to the economy in silksong unironically disappear if you play in steel soul modenot dying at all made me appreciate the game a lot more, it's well designed
>>750701180Tying your tools to ammo is fine. It's just that the ammo economy is too strict by default. I recommend everyone to basically weld themselves to the Shard Pendant for the whole game because it makes using tools way more forgiving, in a way that I think the game should have been by default.
>>750701204Erm you have to grind new energy not pick up the stuff you lost
I never understood the difficulty complaints this game got. Theres stuff in Hollow Knight thats still way harder than anything Silksong throws at you, IMO.
>>750651381lol, poor guy
I beat the 'bad' and secret endings of silksong but I couldn't for the life of me beat the fucking coral tower climb. That shit is so unbearably insufferable I never wanted to play the game again after I rage quit there.
>>750701227The game would be better if it had a more archaic save system>Boot you back to your last bench save on death>Lose all progress since that point>But you get to keep your shardsJob done
>>750701426I beat it my first try but I could tell that if I got stuck there it would make me fucking hate the game.
>>750640426Act 1 is too slow and boringAct 2 is fineUnlocking Act 3 makes you wish the game would just end alreadyAct 3 itself is just a slog, it only has like 1 good boss, you don't get anything cool by enduring through it and the final boss being a boring recycled boss is a massive disappointmentThe first game was better paced
>>750701426I genuinely died more times to the first three coral tower gauntlets before the shortcut more than the actual act 3 boss fights.
>>750701519>>750701584I wanna say I gave it the college try so to speak and maybe I was underleveled but I really don't know if I could have done anything better besides just be more skilled. Well whatever, I beat the final boss while infected or whatever the debuff was, I'm satisfied with that.
>>750640426>baby's second Metroidvanias, first being OG Hollow KnightRain worldRusted MossDragon LoopJust off the top of my head, all recent games that BTFO Shillsong
>>750701353HK has a bigger difficulty cap but most people dont care about that they just do that one casual playthrough and for that Silksong is vastly more challenging
>>750700039>>750700163Silksong is only hard if you haven't played HK beforehand; it's well balanced (if a bit on the easy side) if you have. SS was initially HK DLC, so it's no surprise TC designed the game with experienced HK players in mind. I beat all Godhome bosses on Radiant, and I breezed through Silksong's early game, beating Savage Beastfly, Moorwing, Sister Splinter, Phantom, both Trobbio fights, Unravelled, Second Sentinel, and the High Halls gauntlet on my first attempt (Wanderer, Flintslate/Flea Brew only), and this was without upgrading my needle until Silk & Soul, since getting a nail upgrade is mandatory to enter Act 3. Regardless, I can't imagine somebody who beat PoH having a hard time with Sister Splinter or Savage Beastfly.
>sequel of shit>peak of anything
>>750700725>comparing chalk and cheese
>>750664384>le only thing that le matter is le raw gameplay challenge why are playing this and not a test your reflexes button prompt game then, faggot, you need nothing else, just a light that changes color and a time window to press a button.
>>750651381they hated him for he spoke the truth
>>750700958What? My entire point is Silksong is not that hard if you're an active gamer. It just exploded out of its niche due to the social media hype, resulting in a lot of casuals being angry.
this is much better. silksong is the definition of a chore based game.
>>750701682I would argue the opposite. Silksong is way easier if you haven't played Hollow Knight first. There's a lot of stuff in Silksong that that fucks with your Hollow Knight muscle memory pretty hard. You don't have to unlearn habits if you pick up Silksong without any preconceived notions from the first game.
I never was a big HK fan, but after playing through Silksong, i could only think of how i liked the atmosphere and story of the first game more than the secondEverything related to the Pale King and the Hollow Knight mogs anything related to GMS and Lace so damn hard. It's not even a competition
>>750701751but i do
>>750701852
>>750701353I'm glad there's nothing as shitty as PoH in SS
>>750701908there will be eventually and you being shit at it doesnt not make it shitty. Its phenomenal for those looking for a challenge
>>750701786NTA but I can post my Embrace the Void cheevo and I still thought Silksong was 5x harder than HK.
>>750701954Having to do 30 minutes of filler bosses in each attempt is shitty no matter how you try and shake it. It's phenomenal for people with nothing better to do who wanna stroke their e-penis's over beating difficult games. I beat it and felt absolutely nothing except for the hours I wasted on it
>>750701852lmao, Well Dweller's only appeal is that it's easy and simple, you can equip every charm in the game at once, it's like the dev gave up and said whatever anything goes
>>750702023Maybe don't do things you don't enjoy? Do you have completionism or something?
>>750702023then its simply not for you. I loved it and others aswell. Why does that make you angry? Its perfectly fine to say this is not for me ill just enjoy the base game
>>750640426Nigga it's not even the peak of its own franchise.
>>750702082p5 was fine except for this fucking stupid fucking faggot right here
Listen guys, you have to love the opposite of what everyone else likes. You also get extra enjoyment by hating on popular things. If something is good it must mean it is actually bad. If you have fun with something popular you are mistaken, it's a wrong opinion to have.
>>750702234hes not that bad on a normal p5 no bindings. Its the combination of Markoth + Zote that gets most people
I wish you got the Pin Badge way earlier. There's a lot more fights in Silksong where I want to use my charged attacks than in Hollow Knight, but you don't get it until act 3 when most of those fights are already over
>>750701852No, but Good beginner Metroidvania though. I would recommend it over Hollow Knight
>>750701852This was boring as fuck, dropped it 2 hours in.
Best Metroidvanias of the decade and nothing comes even close
Let me post an actually good 2D game.
>>750702696lmao same, actually refunded that trash, you only have a regular attack + a small bomb, that's the entire moveset, and the level design is just corridors
>>750700502>That diagonal pogo, for example, NEVER feels good. You might learn how to play around it, but it's always contrived.I came to appreciate it on my Hunter-only playthrough, and now I honestly prefer it over both Wanderer and HK pogos. I like that it's both a burst movement option and a pogo, and it feels more dynamic to have some horizontal movement with a pogo instead of letting you sit still and hover directly over an enemy's head by holding down+attack. That its trajectory is diagonal isn't an issue, since you're often facing towards and approaching enemies/props horizontally instead of attempting to hit them while directly above them. Once you've gotten the motion down, finding the correct position and distance to pogo from becomes second nature. You can pogo consecutively on the same prop or enemy by alternating left/right pogos, or by drifting backward for every pogo. The latter is not unlike the motion of holding towards a wall for consecutive, ascending wall-jumps. Clawline and the Hunter dash attack both launch you up in the perfect position to follow up with a pogo, too. What you perceive as a contrivance is just a spike in the learning curve that you've yet to overcome. It's undoubtedly harder to use than the Wanderer/HK pogo, but after giving it some time, I've found it to be more fun and fluid than either of them.>>750701884>There's a lot of stuff in Silksong that that fucks with your Hollow Knight muscle memory pretty hard.You can regress into HK muscle memory if you've unlocked the Wanderer crest, which happens ~5 hours into most playthroughs. Wanderer is the primary reason I had such an easy time with SS, and I wish I hadn't gimped my first playthrough by relying on it for 90% of the game instead of learning Hunter.
>>750702789After I got out of the first triumvirate of bosses into the second circle I realized that the game really had zero going for it in terms of automating tedious tasks and had nearly zero interesting mechanics to begin with. It was like I reached the end of the tech tree and I was only seven hours in.
>>750703031I did a hunter only run too, and even though you can go 90% of the way through the game without problems, there's still moments where you go "ok dude this is super contrarian, fuck off." For me it was the Father of the Flame fight, trying to cope with certain parts of the Coral Tower gauntlet, and the Surface climb. Like, at most it's neutral in that it behaves the same as your regular pogo just requiring a few extra inputs per pogo to line it up (that can fuck you over under the wrong circumstances), but then there's always those little nigger moments that remind you of how fucked up it is. That's why I say it never truly feels good.
Also I do not understand the people who say Silksong's OST is mid. Have they ever bothered listening to it? There's no way you could hear BGM like Bilewater, Choral Chambers, The Archives, or Blasted Steps without being impressed. It's impossible to not like boss tracks like Karmelita, Cut Through, Cogwork Dancers, Trobbio, Lace, etc. Is this coming from guys who quit the game in Deep Docks and basically never even heard it?
>>750642654First sinner gauntlet dlc where you run through 24 bosses closely to loosely based on first sinner's movesethunter crest only, of course
>>750649818>Incomplete after this longGlad I didn't bother lel
>>750703796I beat the game about a month ago and don't remember a single track other than kinda thinking the capital track was cool. I don't remember how that song went though and I didn't bother adding it to any of my playlists. That's my metric for a game's music not being that good to me. The first game was the same and I'm not a fan of more atmospheric soundtracks in general. You can have cool memorable melodies while you're immersed in exploration not doing so is just a stylistic decision that I kinda despise now that it's so common. I want to have this blasting while I explore not quiet atmospheric tracks I won't remember the moment I turn off the gamehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVUYyVfydqY
I really wish Hollow Knight and Silksong had harder difficulties that weren't Steel Soul. Permadeath for such long games isn't fun.And no I don't want to install fan mods.
>>750704279You can overcharm in HK, or use the bracelet in SS, that's your hard mode
>>750640426I pre-ordered the physical for Switch 2. Hopefully it'll give me the motivation to finally beat Act 3.
>>750701660>rusted mosslmao
>>750704640why the fuck would you preorder the physical edition if you havent even finished the game after a whole year
God I wish Rainworld could give you the grapple bug like right at the start.
>>750703995Pantheon of the Witch: beat Pantheon of Pharloom while cursed
>>750701660Rain World really doesn't feel like a metroidvania, and I wouldn't call a 9 year old game "recent".
>>750704802Because playing in bed might incentivize more play
>>750703396The main issue with hunter pogo is hornet doesn't instantly turn while airstrafing, so even though you've moved slightly to the opposite side you still have to wait like half a second before you can pogo again or she'll do it in the wrong direction. It doesn't come up often, but comparing it to other crests where you can basically spam pogo instantly it feels painfully slow.
>>750703796There are some issues with where tracks get used. Bone Bottom actually has a really good track, but the good stuff takes too long to kick in and no player is going to be idling in that area for long enough, even if you're talking to every character multiple times. Similarly, there's some good stuff with the Marrow's soundtrack but it only plays in the rooms with lava, and those rooms are all relatively straightforward so you've left them before the track can really be enjoyed.
>>750640518you're a literal tranny
>>750703796i had to put the controller down multiple times throughout my first run and just listen to the godamn music. It was fucking great. Boss music also like Widow, Lace, Karmelita. Christopher Larkin really elevated the Silksong experience so much.
is hollow knight threads the same 10 ish people repeating themselves over and over again or it's just ai bots?
>>750706927we are all AI created to infest your personal matrix and turn you trans
>>750640426tranny game
>>750706927The bots are making Dark Souls 2 threads so they can write AI nostalgiafag posts about it despite having not touched the game for at least 10 years, and never reply to anyone in the thread who calls out their bullshit.
>>750704737>Shallow Knight ShillsongRofl
>>750650823They hated him because he told the truth.
>>750650823people play it because of the gameplay though, it feels fast and punchy
>>750702737give me back my 30 minutes you piece of shit
>>750640426>entire genrenot with that dumpster fire of an Act 3 it aint.
>>750710187Loop eet
>>750710320Act 3 is good.
>>750640426WrongFirst, Hollow Knight is better than SilksongSecond, La-Mulana is the best metroidvania ever made
>>750711857Not really
This game is gonna save metroidvanias. The demo is fucking amazing
I guess you like hollow knight more if you care about atmosphere moreBut the moment to moment gameplay in silksong is miles ahead of hollow knight. try going back to HK after playing hornet for a while in act 2 and you'll immediately understand
>>750712430It was pretty good yeah. I wonder if I'll like mouse aiming for a full game though. It already kinda felt like terraria or some shit in the demo and I dunno how that'll pair with proper metroidvania movement stuff with a full kit of abilities
>>750640426yeah but where dlc
>>750712479It's just different. The Knight is a tank. He's gonna stand there and beat the fuck out of you, and you're cry about it until you die. The Knight has a lot more freedom to dab all over enemies without giving a shit about them. Hornet doesn't have nearly as much freedom to do that. She's slipperier in a fight but simultaneously much more restricted, both in terms of what she can do and what enemies let her do, comparatively. Silksong has an "intended" way to play it and you can't flex nearly as hard on the game.
>>750695962>3D action games don't have good bosses.
>>750715276>>750696064>>750698376brawlers like god hand and DMC might get a pass. but a good chunk of shooters, mmorpgs, and other action games have completely shit bosses.
