so is the AI bubble bursting? I need me a gayming PC
in approximately two more weeks
Finally burst in China, so yeah. Surely it will have burst by late 2027 at the earliest.
Pop Pop
google lost like 500 billion in value just nowit's happening
>>750629974yes. but it will be years before the parts market is back to normal. looks like you're waiting until 2030
china collapsed and that's a good thing
>>750629974I wouldnt get your hopes too high.prices will prob drop but not to what it was pre-ai like how some food items remained jacked post-covid because they know they can get away with it
>>750630118True, but there will be a small drop and they won't be rising anymore. If the bubble didn't burst, they'd keep tripling every year.
>>750630083>it's real
Oh fuck
>>750629974The bubble bursting will make things more expensive not less
>>750630228keksmell you later
The bubble took way longer to burst than I thought it would. Which sucks, cause the longer it takes to burst, the worst the burst is. The economy is gonna go apocalyptic.
Now’s your chance to get in. AI stocks are on sale.
>>750630228>hits ad salesWhat does this mean
>>750630118Unless the AI companies are forced to sell their warehouse GPUs to pay the debt. Just last year before the CPU price hike GPU prices were already starting to come down before christmas. In long term GPU power has hit a wall because we have hit the physical limit of how small a chip can get, which either forces Nvidia to figure out new bullshit marketing gimmicks for new cards, or to lower prices because of stagnating progress.
>>750630268Ad revenue is down because people are using their search engine/browsing websites less and just asking AI questions instead.
>>750630335So the next step will be ads in all the AI summariesAwesome
>>750630335Niggers still cant install an adblocker.
>>750630359nothing to do with ad blocking you retard. its to do with sponsored links in google search no longer being clicked
Once Anthropic goes public, everything will be okay.
>>750629974Bursting doesn't mean prices will return and GPUs will go into stock.This was always a trojan horse to repurpoes Semiconductor factories towards remilitarization, and not actually about hoarding GPUs for "datacenters".
>>750630435Yeah, people trying to figure out how this all plays into the market economy are missing the bigger picture. AI is a power struggle and arms race between superpowers. If private companies weren’t buying GPUs, governments would. No state was thinking about the market cap potential of the atom bomb. First company to achieve super intelligence will be nationalized immediately.
>>750630393>its to do with sponsored links in google searchYou mean the thing removed by adblock? Stay retarded, normalnigger
>>750629974
>>750630335Still astounds me that "people" still use the Internet without any ad blockingI shudder to think what that looks like
>>750630537>First company to achieve super intelligence will be nationalized immediately.It is literally impossible for an LLM to get general intelligence. It is mathematical inevitably that it will hallucinate.Not saying that an actual AI isnt possible, but it aint from fucking LLMs. If it was, wed already have had skynet by now. Its been 4 years. Exponential self improvement would have passed the threshold a year or two ago.
>>750630707It really is crazy. I had to take it off temporarily for some reason months ago, and most sites were literally unusable. Especially wikis, holy shit
>>750630762>Especially wikis, holy shitYeah I always see people crying about fandom wikis and I fail to see the issue :)
>>750630736You’re stuck in 2022 if you think these are just LLMs. The future is multimodality, world models, and agentic AI.
>>750629974It's definitely crashing, and the "crypto-hack" is not going to help. Security and AI are about to get foo-checked by actual IT. And, no, I don't mean some dumbass software acronym. I mean IT about to start poking and prodding known vulnerable spots to see how things react. Playfully at first, but once things start to react wildly it will turn into scrutiny and exploitation.
just build a haswell+polaris systemshould be doable with $150
>>750630707>A legit download link on a page triggers 5+ identical looking scammer popups with "download now!">AI pets/gfs ads everywhere>$200 nigger shoes with free PS5!>your driver out of date, sar. Scan PC now!My music PC has no adblock and I'm just laffin at the shitshow.
>>750630814...which still has LLMs as the underlying tech. With all the same problems that havent been addressed.
>>750630537The US government has already declared current AI to be superintelligence.
>>750630792Yea, I never knew how bad it was until that point. Obviously got adblock back up as soon as I could, fuck that shit
>>750629974Why do you think hardware would get cheaper if it did?
>>750631312>Orange Retard made a claimRiveting.
>>750630118>like how some food items remained jacked post-covid because they know they can get away with itThis. Eggs are still $6 for a half dozen here. Once people got comfortable with the price they just kept it there after they forgot.
>>750630335>>750630228Oh no, not all the ads no-one ever sees because everyone always uses an adblocker lol.
>>750631429Its always been like this. A crisis happens companies raise prices, and they never fall back down.
>>750631451Retard, it literally affected sales. Just because we use adblock doesnt mean the average normalfaggot does.
>>750631451>hard data says X>"actually it wont effect anything" (it already has)Where do you dumbasses blow in from?
>>750630624He tanked that
Whats happened is in the old days you googled something and clicked through 2-3 pages of results to find the result you needed. In the last few months now everyone gets an AI bot at the top of the screen that automatically just tells you what you're looking for. Google is getting less visibility because no-one has a reason to scroll past the top 10% of the first page anymore, or are just using AI chatbots to answer all their questions instead. Websites that pay Google to be at the top of search results are pulling out because no-one scrolls down the page to look for them anymore. And this whole time, the AI costs them a lot of energy (money) to run, so higher operating costs than previous years.
>>750630543you're dumb as fuck, adblock doesnt remove google search results.
>>750631641There hasn't been any reason to go past page 1 for the past 10 years.
No.
>>750631680It removes sponsored search results. You are a tech-illiterate zoomer
>>750629974LUDDITE WHY DON'T YOU GET FUCKING JOB?
>>750629974YOU will go homeless when ai bubble burst Government and billionaires will stay rich and powerful
>>750630624You tried to make that cat look stupid but it made him way cooler instead
>>750631818I own my apartment, not my problem. You might not be so lucky, Rasheed.
>>750629974>stocks down 5%>ITS OVER ITS BORSTOOOOOOONGyeah
>>750629974AI bubble is not bursting anytime soon. If you need a gayming PC now, save up money and buy an AMD GPU with 32GB of RAM and some cheap 1tb SSD.
>>750631909>housing is slightly down but it's just nerves
I find it extremely ironic that just as I start using AI for my own personal projects the entire industry crashes in the span of a few days. I wasn't even doing much with it, just asking Gemini questions about history and philosophy.
>>750632032All the AMD GPUs with 32GB are for AI shit as well, those prices are going up
>>750630762>specially wikis*fandom. Fandom is the worst piece of shit website I've ever seen, there is a reason so many communities have fled this shit and made their own websites. The thing has like 6 pop-ups for useless garbage and that's with ublock origin, the thing must be absolutely unusable without it.
>>750630250It's really not. Nobody will be affected by this and the consumer most likely benefits. Was browsing /g/ and someone pointed out that the dotcom crash was immediately followed by a massive drop for memory prices. Everyone who thinks this is going to lead to higher prices or an "apocalypse" is either a sinophile or a bag holder.
>>750631502>Just because we use adblock doesnt mean the average normalfaggot does.Absolute subhuman behavior, because you know those niggers complain about ads all the time and get frustrated any time they want to shot you a video. It takes less than 10 seconds to install ublock and be rid of ads forever.
>>750630335>own the biggest search engine on the planet>force AI into it that nobody wants because you’re desperate to pressure AI adoption>people actually adopt AI>torpedoes your search engine business>lose $500 billion dollarsOnly in India
>>750632032>650€ for a 9060xtI don‘t think i will
cant afford fucking anything
>>750630736Dude I just realized yesterday that AI can't actually read PDFs. It uses a bit of OCR but that's old tech mainly meant for text parsing. If you give Claude a map or anything more complex than a word document it spazzes out. Try asking AI to spit out a formatted summary of a single newspaper scan and it will start pissing and shitting itself.
>>750630707I only have ads on for 4chan, and those actually worked. Found one of my new favorite games from 4chan ads.
>>750632170Is the best (and perhaps most realistic scenario) that all the hoarders who thought they'd build a billion data centers will realize they're never going to be able to use all the shit they bought, and will desperately sell them at low prices to recuperate some of the costs?
>>750630707most people are browsing on mobile with no adblock
>>750632301Most of the massive data centers haven't even been built yet and even the stock they set aside is just sitting idle right now. If you ever look into land development, this is the same grift that corporations and scalpers pull. They buy up shit regular people want, do nothing and then quietly exit once they realize it was a bad move.
>>750632301you aren’t going to be playing gta on a B200
>>7506299742 more weeks o algo
fuck you.
>>750629974Yeah, shit is beginning to collapse. Prices ain't dropping like they used to, though. Unless everyone refuses to buy hardware for a couple years.
>>750632430There are plenty of ways to get adblock on mobile easily.>>750630250Who gives a fuck about the economy? AI is the coolest tech we've developed in years
>>750631641I havent had to go past the first 5 hot for lIke 15+ years
>>750632520Remember when eggs were like $8 for a carton and everyone thought this would be permanent?
>>750632528Not if you are a iphonefag apparently. Or atleast according to my coworker
>>750632583You still can, it's just more of a pain in the ass because Apple treats their users like incompetent retards. And they're right lol
Both AMD and NVIDIA are eating good regardless.
>>750632528>AI is the coolest tech we've developed in yearsNeural networks have been cool since we invented them 50 fucking years ago, LLM chatbot “agents” suck ass.
Quick! We need Dobson to keep the bubble going!
>>750629974just had a call with my friend working at AI, he says give it 3 more days
>>750632762>LLM>chatbotConfirmed retarded and willfully ignorant. Keep seething, I'm sure they'll ban it any day now. Or maybe just restrict it so only governments and corporations can have it, like guns. You fucking coward.
>>750629974How does this affect me personally?
>One of the main reasons all of this Gaytracing/AI shit happened is because graphics were reaching the point of diminishing returns.Greed is a bitch.
>>750629974It actually surprises me that my right from 2016 can still play most games I want. Guess progress has a cap after all
>>750630083>>750630160oh it's actually real, thought you faggots were pulling my leg
>>750632928Imagine this: you have the technology to take any problem where a solution can be programmatically checked, and use it to automatically generate a function that can solve the problem, even if you can’t specify that solution algorithmically. Literally anything you can think of, if the solution can be verified by machine or human, that means the problem is automatically solved.What would you do with this technology?If you’re jewish, the answer is obvious. Feed it all the text on the internet so it can talk to you and then turn this conversation engine into a “brain” so it can “think” because you grew up watching the Jetsons and having a Rosie-ass robo maid you can talk to makes your tiny peepee hard, never mind that it squanders the technology by hiding all of its utility behind a half-dozen layers of token-chewing abstraction for no fucking reason.I’ve seen neural networks solve protein folding problems, identify supernovae, separate mixed songs into stems, pull perfect chroma keys with no roto, upscale low resolution images with almost magical fidelity, and a thousand other really cool things.I’ve watched LLM-driven “plain text generative” AI slop out god-awful pictures, movies, music, code, games, and basically everything else of creative value by destroying the language of craft with a translation layer designed to produce the illusion of “accessibility” to mindless retards who gawk at low effort slop.The AI revolution has been squandered.
>>750630228THE FRIES GO IN THE BAG
>>750630230>>750630250I'm starting to believe that some of you desire for this to be the outcome.
>>750633353A FAANG/Mag7 collapse would be the funniest fucking thing in the world I pray every day for it to happen you have no idea.
>>750630228So much for Jai Hind eh?Another 500 billions to go.
>>750633353I like seeing society suffer.
>>750633353Well yeah, don't you want society collapse whilst you stay in your comfy house playing vidya as it does?>but what if it affect y-Then I just die, shrimple as
>>750633306I mean at least its still used for all the things you described there. Laboratories cannot keep up with all the revealed shit that needs to be tested now.And dont forget about all the potential applications in war :^)
>>750632430I have adblock on my phoneThis is not a hard thing to do
>>750630707I just scroll past or ignore any ads.Only problem is youtube that interrupts me with ad breaks I have to sit through. It became so annoying to the point I only use it on my 'puter that has ad block enabled
>>750629974No, they'll get bailed out with your money.
>>750633641uBO on FF mobileRevancedThe fuck you're doing nigga
>>750633641keksuffer forever, imbecile
>>750633470The issue is, because all of the marketing money is in appealing to the lowest common denominator, neural-network-powered tools designed to aid craftsmen in their craft are not being built, because the money is in building tools to let laypeople larp as craftsmen.There is a world where purpose-built neural networks are trained on codebase examples and can provide a compile-time condensation operation on code to produce memory savings and performance speedup. Instead we put our resources into making “Claude make me a decompilation of Banjo Kazooie make no mistakes” actually do something.There is a world where purpose-built neural networks trained on editing sessions can do click-and-pick vocal comps with breath-aware crossfades and automatic volume management, saving hours of editing time on every vocal performance. Instead we put our resources into making Suno synthesize sung lyrics in a Taylor Swift voice.There was a world where these tools helped domain experts be better at their jobs because they were designed to help those experts. Where they were written in the “language” of the craft where they operated, tools designed for maximum legibility to the people who practice the art. Instead we get something 20% as effective for 2,000% of the resource drain, ENTIRELY so that retards can do it by typing a fucking plain english prompt in.
>>750629974You don't need a PC. AI can describe the feeling of playing vidya to you (rent starting at $49 per month at a 100 goytoken per month limit)
>>750633896Many modern video games you can just watch on YouTube and unironically get the same experience as "playing" it
>>750632528You are retarded. Please kill yourself
>>750632952You will become gay and if you are already gay you will be super gay
>>750634198Hypothetically what would happen if somewhere were already super gay, for a friend
AI isn't a bubble and it can't burst, it's too important to the economy. If there are issues, the government can just put more money into it.
>>750629974It's not a bubble it's a bubble bath you fucking idiot, so stupid.
>>750633947That's just a Sony behavior
>>7506343142008 housing bubble pop 2.0LET'S GO!
>>750630707It's worse. I know people that pay Spotify and Youtube to watch stuff without ads and when I try to tell them about adblocker they don't understand me, even when I show it to them.
>>750634671But what would be the effects?Super cheap tokens?
>>750633353I desire for the bubble to burst as fast as possible so that the incoming horrible economy crisis be the least catastrophic it can be.As I said, the longer it goes on, the worse it gets when it actually happens. I was really hopeful it'd have burst a year ago.
>>750634712The opposite, isn't it? The reason tokens are cheap enough that people are able to use them for frivolous bullshit is that the companies are basically operating at a loss. If the bubble popped and investors pulled out, chances are personal use would become unaffordable and only companies and government agencies would have access to the technology, if they want it. So, no more stupid Malfoid video clips to spam this site with.At least that's my stab in the dark.
>>750632226you're vastly overestimating the tech savviness of the average mobile user
>>750634712No, it will probably make AI tokens cost more because AI companies will need to be profitable.People running local models will be the ones hit the least.
>>750630083>>750630160>>750633120>Lost $500 bil in value due to lack of ads in AI modekek, AI search is gonna be filled to the brim with ads next year. You're gonna get a nice banner ad everytime you search for something now kek. God, I love big tech.https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm9qzdqpxy48o
>>750635002>>750634935I was trying to draw a parallel from the housing crisis thingHousing prices fell sharply, so I would think token prices would also fall, to get more people to use them
>>750632528>Who gives a fuck about the economy? AI is the coolest tech we've developed in years>Who cares about the economy, we need to shut everything down for the heckin coofI will never understand you niggers who think the every aspect of the economy is actually fake. This has been a meme take for years and you were actually dumb enough to fall for it.
>>750635069token costs are subsidized, if AI companies start going bust you would have to pay the actual price + tip
>>750635569They better start making them truly unshackled, thenSick of jailbreaking these things so it'll correctly pretend to be my mother or sister
>>750635069Housing prices fell because there were sellers with no buyers and everyone was trying to unload assets. Tokens aren't assets, they're a service. Dropping price doesn't help because you still have to pay money to provide the service. The sell-off will be data center assets, and it will be hilarious because absolutely nobody wants data center assets>gigantic monolithic buildings with no windows, plumbing, or any other creature comforts as they only house computers and a security guard, so each one is a teardown cost>built in the middle of the otherwise-cheapest land on the planet.>All of the compute hardware is specialized, heavily used, and halfway through its useful lifecycleI don't even know what you could sell a data center for. I don't know who would buy it other than someone else who wanted a data center.
>>750632076I've recently been using AI search a lot to save me some time reading the rules for Battletech stuff lmao. Asking it to clarify with specific scenarios is really nice to. If it goes it goes and that's fine, not really my problem that they decided to release this tech to the public and can't figure out how to make it not shit the bed
>>750629974No, not until 2028.
>>750629974>so is the AI bubble bursting?You can already see the signs in datacenter expansion slowdowns (actual expansion, not promises) and more difficulty moving hardware. China's "bubble" popped but China has a real economy backing it and wasn't all in on AI. A number going down on a screen doesn't make the factory and workers disappear. Unless the owner panics and tries to sell/shut everything down to save his profits but in China that gets you shot and your factory taken over by the state. When the bubble pops in the US it's going to be real nasty.
>>750636389>China's "bubble" popped but China has a real economy backing it and wasn't all in on AI. A number going down on a screen doesn't make the factory and workers disappear.But what they produce will change. Because it wasn't just AI that took a hit in China, Robotics was another one. Those humanoid robots turned out to be useless. Only two places where humanoid robots with robot legs can work are amusement parks and sex doll industry. Robots are better off with wheels and rails in controlled factory environments.
>>750633643This is not as likely as you think. Currently world governments have an adversarial relationship with AI companies due to the bond crisis.>Governments around the world owe more money than you can even imagine.>A third of all their budgets is just interest on this debt>constantly have to refinance it as bonds come due, borrowing more money to pay back current lenders>people stop lending money to government because they want to go all-in on AI buildout>government raises bond rates, it has no choice, it NEEDS the money>AI companies raise bond rates, they have no choice, they NEED the money>governments raise bond rates, they have no choice, they NEED the money>AI companies raise rates, they have no choice, they NEED the moneyThere's limited investment/lending capital and world governments are competing with the Mag 7 for every penny. The reckless debt-driven expansion has consumed so many resources it's actually beginning to undermine the financial stability of first world nations.There will come a point where the collapse of these companies is necessary to make investment in government bonds attractive even at lower interest rates because at current interest rates, the economy is unsustainable.
>>750630228>>750630083>people who make decicions this stupid still earn more in a day than you do in a year
>>750631349I never bother with adblock since most ads are minor nuisances and it lets me vote with my wallet without buying anything.But I installed the BreezeWiki extension because Fandom is so bad it's unusable if you open even a few pages, and part of the fun of wikis is wikiwalking.
>>750630335I wouldn't need to use AI for my search queries if Google didn't enshittify the search with AI generated websites and SEO slop that hide the relevant information in the last paragraph always taking first place in the search results. Have they though about that ?
>>750637481They also have the habit of "disappearing" things they don't likeI remember when you couldn't even search for Alex Jones on GoogleI don't think Kiwi Farms shows up there either
>>750637191God's funny sense of humour.
>>750630228>>750630335>stand up and yell "McDonald's!" to complete this AI queryIt's coming.
>>750637673When I have a very specific question for example a car trouble, if I ask Google directly the first pages are all polluted with official sources or SEO crap that give the most lukewarm useless answers. If I put the same question in JeetGPT, it actually pulls out threads from car enthusiast forums that have concrete answers from practical cases close to my model or my exact car model if I'm lucky, and I can just click on the source to see if the answer hasn't been hallucinated.
>>750630624Cool cat
>>750630624Vulgar display of meower
>>750630624That cat is the size of a mountain lion, holy shit.
>>750630228I was wondering where all the AI shilling had suddenly disappeared to.
>>750636389>>750636771China's economy is fake and gay and the Chinese government can tank or prop up a company for whatever fucking reason they want. They fucked over shareholders and CEOs like that Alibaba guy.
>>750636389>China's "bubble" popped but China has a real economy backing it and wasn't all in on AI.Not really. TONS of chinese money is tied up in government projects. >the economy is struggling?>chinese gov builds some random mega dam or bridgeThat kind of thing. AI failing as a major government project could be grim tidings for them.
>>750639698>AI failing as a major government project could be grim tidings for them.Probably not, main exports for chinks are minerals and cheap electronics, not high tech stuff.
>>750639841China isn't an export economy, they are an investment economy focused on internal projects for a decade now. They had a major scandal a while back with house building companies financing their land purchases with houses they hadn't even built yet.
>>750639937>China isn't an export economy,China is very much an export economy, their trade surplus is highest in the world by far. Its partly them dumping their produce overseas because their domestic consumers can't absorb it by themselves, and CCP artificially keeping chinese wages low so domestic consumption in general is very anemic for such a huge country.
>>750630083Pocket change
>>750631451You'd be absolutely horrified the amount of normgroids, especially zoomers which is even more shocking, that just don't use any kind of adblocking and rawdog ads without even thinking about it.95% of people truly are nigger cattle
>>750640156>>750630083fuck how>domino effect can't happenoh fuck....
>>750635052With how good AI is nowadays the advertisement potential is gonna be insane. >"AI make me a scene with a tank shooting a building">tank has Pepsi logo on it and building is made from Pringles cans >"AI here are my symptoms should I be worried?">"Sounds like lack of magnesium. May I recommend Magnesium Brand TM supplement by Steinberg Co.?">"AI talk dirty to me.">"Oh you filthy little boy, you're as filthy as a laundry basket before being washed by Tide Multi-Wash Special detergent!"
>>750640060Those numbers account for sub 20% of their total GDP. 40% of it is tied up in internal investments.
>>750629974No? We're still on track for AGI by the end of the calendar year.
>>750640274>domino effectany day now, late stage capitalism, it's happening, etc.
luddite
>>750630228but it's crashing because people prefer AI over googling things now, so it's not really the gotcha you think
>>750640319>https://tradingeconomics.com/china/balance-of-trade>China’s trade surplus widened to $133.53 billion in September 2026, up from $88.72 billion a year earlie, surpassing forecasts of $118.1 billion, and marking the 2nd largest surplus after $137.9 billion record hit in January 2025. Exports jumped 36.3% yoy to $447.18 billion, above estimates of 25.5% and marking the strongest growth in 7 months,No anon, I'm sorry but China is THE export country, CCP is putting all their bets in exporting as much as possible to keep up appearance of wealth, while keeping their own citizens weak. Theres a reason why both US and EU accuse China of global market manipulation when China dumps all of their cheap goods to the market at low prices.
>>750640461Oh yeah AI cannibalizing their own companies is definitely the sign of AI doing well. Its like a guy cutting his own leg off to eat it, thats a sign he's well-fed and healthy.
>>750629974for what games?
>>750640612You guys talk like the technology is going away when it clearly won't
>>750635052I mean, it makes sense, you gotta make the money back somehow.People can't expect them to run AI at a loss, so it will either be subscription or ads.
Yeah the $1000 GPU is only $3000 now, it's time to jump in.
Anthropic's IPO is when the bubble in the West will really burst. When that shit hits the market and then immediately starts plummeting from its crazy valuation is when people will panic.
>>750640643Future AI is going to be small and dumb home models that cost nothing to operate. The math simply doesn't work with these big frontier models backed up by expensive data centers.
>>750640643The ability to use a model like clod at home is going away soon, yes. It'll be enshittified like everything else, because why the hell would it be an exception?You'll be left with local cuckmodels running on 32GB VRAM and you'll tell yourself this is fine.
i don't think people are mentally prepared to accept that it's not a bubble
>>750640835>The ability to use a model like clod at home is going away soonYou'll just have to pay for it. Most people use AI completely for free, but there's billions of them, the amount of money they waste is astronomical.You'll have the same service, simply not for free. It will cost a lot, until the tech improves at least, which will take a lot of time since there will be less funding.
>>750640872Chinks said that in 2019. Then the real estate bubble burst in January 2020. As we all know line can ever only go up it never comes down.
>>750632241>>force AI into it that nobody wantsimagine being this fucking retarded
>>750629974Yes but it'll take another 3 or so years for it to happen and things to start settling down.
>>750641029Dude chinese housing bubble burst in 2020 and the chink real estate business STILL hasn't recovered.
>>750640748It doesn't matter how much they will have to downscale the operations, the point is that it won't go away. AI as a technology has already proven to be too useful for it to simply vanish out of existence.
>>750640997only retards use ai
>>750641129>AI as a technology has already proven to be too usefulNot useful enough for its cost. And if there is no money in AI service, then companies will only provide a symbolic effort and thats it.
>>750631451when i use youtube on my tv and see a 1 minute ad for a 5 minute video i want to turn that shit off instantly. i dont know how normies can stand it
>>750641140I think i'd rather side with retards like linus torvalds and john carmack over random anons like you
>>750641253Linus won't accept you in Linux project unless you give substantial funding to AI companies first. So pay up goyslave.
>>750629974Not yet, they have until the end of 2027 to make the money they just lost. By that time, more Data Centers are up and running and stuff.A lot of AIs are going to be heavily paywalled, like Google has already lobotomized Gemini on the free tier, wanting you to subscribe to get the decent and good models.Subscription prices will probably go up as well in a last ditch effort to somehow turn this 900 billion dollar loss around.
>>750641224If you've only ever known something at its worst, you can't know how bad things really are, at least compared to what they could be.
>>750641253Oh, you mean people who haven't done actual work in decades instead of just managing others?The only people I respect who have said anything positive about LLMs are the gcc maintainers, and they didn't make it sound like it's a huge deal.
>>750641253Linus Torvalds is a retard for pretending to not understand the difference between stochastic tools and deterministic tools, and this is the man who invented fucking Git and the Linux kernel. John Carmack isn't a retard but he's a sociopath, he'll slit your throat for a pair of new VR goggles and not even think twice about it or find anything wrong with it.
>>750637191Remember that meritocracy is a myth.
>>750630017This is what they told me too.
>>750641774John Carmack is the kind of guy who will cut you open and inspect your insides if you tell him you have a pacemaker.
>>750639593>China's economy is fake and gay Every economy is.>and the Chinese government can tank or prop up a company for whatever fucking reason they want. They fucked over shareholders and CEOs like that Alibaba guy.Based.
>>750633857>so that retards can do it by typing a fucking plain english prompt inisn't this the holy grail of programming languages tho? A language so similar to natural language than any retard can instruct a computer
>>750641890>>750641774DESU Linus isn't much better. The asshole constantly harps on about how "technical arguments are the only relevant arguments" and about being pragmatic (nevermind that people only ever cared about Linux for ideological reasons).But I bet he wouldn't like me raping and killing his daughters, despite that being very pragmatic from my POV if I don't get caught. Bet he doesn't have technical arguments against me doing that.
>>750631357Not him but those Ai companies niggers stocked on hardware just because the market "may" grow but it isn't growing. They also bought components so others couldn't, basically stopping any possible competition.Most Ai server companies have half of their computers either turned off or doing nothing while they wait for shit to work on. There is just not enough demamd for Ai bullshit, at least not at the level the inverstors wanted there to be and thus that shit is left unused while the line goes up alongside their debts.They will be forced to sell their unused shit but good luck getting any. Something tells me shit will just dissapear into a gov bunker because they have the suspicious there won't be any more of those components made after that bubble assplodes harder than the tzar bomba.
>>750631874>ApartmentLol lmaoKek even
>>750635052>five day timelineeverytime
>ms windows 10, 11>current games generation>computer hardware>Artificial Intelligence output>all shit beyond retardedMaybe for the best, earth is a shit prison
>>750642126>The asshole constantly harps on about how "technical arguments are the only relevant arguments" and about being pragmaticWell that flew out the window few years back when his daughter pushed him to get rid of problematic language in his code.
>>750640748Of course there will be demand for bigger models but they wont be used by /trash/ posters to generate Midna scat porn.
>>750635849>they only house computers and a security guardi know this isnt your point but a datacenter is being built near me and its like, fortified. concrete barriers that will destroy any vehicle that hits them and armed security guards plural.
>>750642841For the uninitiated, this refers to highly disturbing terms like whitelist/blacklist or master-slave.
>>750642881>Of course there will be demand for bigger modelsNot enough to pay the costs of bigger models. Thats the whole issue in the first place. The moment you raise token prices too high people will stop using your AI.
>>750630017This but unironically.
>>750642954I think I'm gonna be fucking sick
>>750642990People wont use them, corporations and governments will.
why not just put the made up money backed into AI services into something else?
>>750640748>>750642990You are forgetting that AI is going to replace most human labor you dumbass. The "cost" is completely irrelevant, it's worth it.
>>750643254Corpos are already giving quotas for how many tokens their coders can use and that quota gets smaller and smaller. Governments are unhappy about AI hogging all the bond money for themselves so they're unlikely to fund an industry 2 trillion dollars in the hole.
>>750643254Governments and corporations can't magic AI infrastructure for private use out of nothing with the wildly unpopular datacenter support and forced compliance with local property and zoning laws (you can only claim eminent domain so many times before it becomes news and we're already long past that point) and it doesn't change, AT ALL, that AI and its tokens are a giant money furnace for a shitty Twenty Questions game>>750643383Governments and corporations are very horny to have an omniscient question answering machine to make themselves infinitely wealthy for no work, corporations in particular are horny to try and take human labor exclusively out of creative works and products because "only the result matters" and they really don't care if the result looks and performs like shit when they think people will buy it
>>750643435>You are forgetting that AI is going to replace most human laborlmao
>>750642234Why would you want any of their unused shit, you wont be able to plug it into your pc.
>>750635214I never got the fake vaccine and I look down on everyone who did. AI is very cool. Deal with it
>>750643435>You are forgetting that AI is going to replace most human labor HOW?HOW?HOW?HOW IS IT SUPPOSED TO FUCKING DO THATHOW ARE LLMS AND IMAGE GENS SUPPOSED TO FUCKING DO THAT
>>750643443>and that quota gets smaller and smallerNo shit, tokens are increasing in price like every week, and in most cases it's just speeding lots of code production, while making the developer spend two hours fixing issues with it and making it function properly.
>>750643616Yeah it's basically introducing Indian outsource style code-production to a lot of codebases and introducing problems where none existed before. AIs are obsessed with line count over performance and readability
>>750629974AI isnt bursting;LLM are just not the solution
>>750643760LLMs are AI as we understand it so zero-sum
>>750643517>>750643568You have gone mad huffing copium for years, damn.
>>750643701And you literally have to tardwrangle them or else they just do whatever they "want" instead of what you want.
>>750630083Oy vey! Bailout season already?! And it'll be just after midterms how convenient.
>>750643787>how does it replace labor>lol u mad? u so madIronically this is also Elon Musk's answer to the question
>>750643843bailouts exist to prevent another 2008
>>750643901Part of 2008 was auto companies getting bailed out instead of that money being pumped literally anywhere else into the economy
>>750643884I said you're insane not mad. You know how it will, the same way it has been steadily.
>>750644027>You know how it willNo I don't and you don't either. LLMs and image/video/sound generation can't replace "most human labor"
>>750629974Chips wont get much cheaper even after the bubble pops. Bubbles inflate when something's value isn't known and they pop when the value is found. Data centers will remain and the subsequent economic hit will make the lower demand irrelevant.
>>750629974llms are hitting the wall like a female in her 40shttps://pubsonline.informs.org/doi/10.1287/stsc.2024.0189
>>750644129uhhuh
>>750644179Hard-coded assembly line instructions already do the same fucking thing and infamously still run on Windows 98 or 95 computers, these have no potential to outstrip existing robots for automation
>>750644129llms are perfect for replacing manual labor.long robotics.
>>750644247llms are fucking horrible for thatit's AI doing the AI thing and shoving itself into shit we already have calling itself the solution for ityou guys are learning assembly line robotics have already existed for decadesyou guys are learning construction robotics have already existed for decadesyou fucking idiots are selling stairs as a brand new "autonomous elevation decide"
>>750644179China's robotics stocks crashed 40%.
>>750644447the internet bubble burst
>>750643435>The "cost" is completely irrelevant, it's worth it.Let's stress test this bold claim you've made. So if an organization wants to make redundant a human employee and instead use an AI agent to complete their work, at let's say 1,000 times the cost, it's worth it? What does the company benefit from doing that?
>>750644518Domain bubble burst. Internet was around for years before that. Internet monetizes with traditional advertisement, not domain names.
this is the Mosaic -> Netscape moment
>>750644518The internet isn't inherently fucking useless to most people the way AI is inherently fucking useless to most people
>>750629974>he thinks he can get a dirt cheap used $40,000 blackwell for his steam machinelolLAMO even. you aint getting shit poor fag. you cant use datacenter gpus for gaming and even if you could youd be a colossal retard for doing so.
>>750629974Yes, but the prices will stay that way and still rape your wallet raw
>>750644221The point is evolving past construction lines, and for the robot to work independently, both in logic and power, for construction, mining, drilling, maintenance, repair, cultivation, harvesting, etc. To eliminate human labor, and therefore cost. With 0 cost, everything becomes 0.
>>750646615It's a fucking LLM, it ain't doing all that.
>>750639351its amazing that mods just let this shit roll
>>750646892Offtoppic Dall-e general was protected by jannoids for years.
is ai the new crypto? they both seem to attract the same type of people
>>750643568Remember AI is incompetent and useless Also it's replacing everyone
>>750630707Boomers love ads. I blocked all the ads on my mom's tablet and she threw a fit to make me turn them back on. Same reason why she pays like $70 a month to watch live TV with commercials instead of streaming on-demand shit. She said on-demand just doesn't feel right to her. She'll base her entire schedule around what is on coming on TV. She'll sit up until like 4am to watch a show that she could just watch at any time. It's bizarre.
>>750647113amogus
>>750647159These aren't incompatible statements. Corporate America will happily replace everything with a shittier version of that same thing if it's cheaper to do so.
>>750647303It's because back in the day, ads were the thing everyone saw, regardless of what you were actually watching, ads also had/have celebrities in them frequently, so you could see your favorite guy from your favorite movie whenever you want.I'm having a difficult time articulating, but to boomers ads are more cultural touchstones rather than a nuisance, which, yes, is bizarre. The idea that the person trying to sell you something is your friend hooked boomers and never let go.
>>750646748Yes, it can. All it needs, is the ability to "see" what you want it to see and equipping it with the proper tools to be able to do the job you want it to. It requires a lot, but it is absolutely doable. We are getting there faster than most people think we are.
Every week some techbro schizo on youtube makes a video about how the AI bubble is bursting (for real now guys trust me).Its been about to burst for like 5 years now.
>>750630228>force AI search results on users as the first thing you see at the top of the page>users actually use it and don't click your ads and promoted links below>lose billions of dollarslel, did nobody tell them how their business model works?
>>750629974AI stocks tanks the second AI becomes useful to consumers (decomps, homebrew, etc.)
>>750630083Wrong. I asked ChatGTP >What does losing $500 billion actually mean?>Alphabet didn't literally lose $500 billion in cash.>Its total stock-market valuation fell from approximately $3.97 trillion to $3.46 trillion because investors were suddenly willing to pay substantially less for its shares.>But one company's 13% collapse isn't proof of a sector-wide bubble burstinganti AI luddites in shambles
>>750629974trump will keep inflating it with your money until he's deposed
>>750643529For a big chunk of it and for most people? No, you can't.Some can though, very few have the hardware capable of running those components or have the know how to actually turn them into something usable.So as I said, chances of common people getting them are low.What will most likely happen is that they will be sold wholesale to either recycle plants or compiter component assembly plants to be turned into usable components if the price is right and IF there is even a demand for it because the ecomomy will be so fucked people may not have enough for the luxury of a non shit personal puter
>>750648775The fact that this is where you get your news from says more about you than the state of the AI bubble. It is, irrefutably, a bubble.
>>750649881And its totally bursting this time, right?
>>750650129No. We "choose" when the "bubble" "implodes". Do you know what it's a metaphor for, right?
>>750649334>Wrong. I asked ChatGTPYou stupid animal fuckin retarded
>>750647303boomers are mentally ill
>>750631789good morning
>>750648775Until Anthropic, OpenAI and others find a way to turns a profit on AI without relying on gibs from government waiting for its ultimate surveillance machine, it is a bubble waiting to burst.
>>750629974>bailed out by the government (your tax money)It'll be like bank bailouts all over again.
>>750647159Both are true. Its replacement isn’t because it’s so good, but because ceo’s are forcing it on everyone cause it’s hip and trendy
It’s actually happening btw. Hope you don’t have all your money in stocks.
My balls are about to burst. once it happens, I will come regardless of the time, or place. It's gonna be a loud ass moan.
IT'SHAPPENING
>>750654404>My balls are about to burst.You'll have to piss sometime.
>>750629974It’s boosting. It’s no longer a bubble. AI is the only thing left and everything else is the bubble.
>>750630228Why does the back of his hair look like a yarmulke
>tfw still 2060 6gbI should have gotten a 5 series when I had the chance. But the retards then said "RAM will stabilize by 2027". Heh, now they say the same about 2030.
>>750629974the bubble just flew over my house
>>750630083Money is a fake goyim problemThey want AI so we get AI
>>750629974This is just a blip. We haven't even gotten IPOs for Anthropic or OpenAI yet.
>>750648841>lel, did nobody tell them how their business model works?They get their real money from the CIA, so this doesn't matter, and may be intentional.
>>750634245Super Gay 2
Will it be enough to actually destabilize this shitshow, or will no one remember this happened in a couple of weeks?
I have never used AI and even downloaded an extension to disable google's AI summary so I don't have to manually put -ai in every search.
>>750629974Not a finance guy but I’d say AI hasn’t even started to rise. It’s creating video game concepts very very faithful to my personal style and telling Claude exactly how to implement them into an original game. When more people taste this kind of thing they’ll lose concern with the cost.>>750652275The video game and game artist market would be highly relevant.>NOOOO its artists vs AII’m seeing conservatives doing very promising stuff with AI filmmaking. (Including former big guys like Doug TenNapel, who made the game Earthworm Jim) give em a few years and they’ll learn the artistic skills leftists never even got very good at.
>>750630624>>750638402Vulgar display of Pawer
