>2025Ender magnolia2026Silver pines>2026RavenousWe are eating good metroidvaniabros
I absolutely love Ender Lilies and Ender Magnolia.
>>750613521Names too retarded, not playing.
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>>750612530Based
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Honestly, I like lilies more than magnolia, zombies > robots.With that said, I still think magnolia blows the fuck out of 90% of the genre tho.
>>750614016I agree, I finished Ender Lilies 3 times and got it 3 times as well. Magnolia, while having a bit better gameplay, was a downgrade in almost every other aspect
silver who?
>>750612530>LGBT tag on Silver PinesHow bad is it?Also i enjoyed blasphemous 2 new dlc, it was pretty great.
>LilacToo tomboyish, forced feminization required.
>>750614487Spherehunter is a npc that has like 4 lines in a 16 hour long game or so
>>750613521i wish they were harder but the artstyle is amazing
>Silver Pines>Metroidvania A 2D-side scrolling game is not automatically a Metroidvania.
The weird mobile game animation put me off for a while but ended up loving both games. Has the dev say anything about Ender 3?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATfX1e50v94
>>750614248Can you elaborate? Because I found Lilies so trite I dropped it after the snow castle area and it made me immune to Magnolia shilling, but you seem to have the opposite opinion.
>>750614248Yeah I was also confused about how Magnolia's aesthetic. It's kinda all over the place whereas Lillies felt a lot like DS1 or gothic fantasy
>>750612530>>2025>Ender magnoliaWas massive disappointment with snarky bitch protagonist who complains about nobles. Also you get mvoement ability after first dungeon, so slow explorationThat shit after first game was horrible, not gonna lie
>>750616240>has inaccissible areas until you get an upgrade>has a big map where you can plan where you wanna goHow is it not?
Did yall know Moadra finally came out?
I feel like judging Magnolia because it's not a stylistic retread of Lilies is dumbThey are covering different things concept wise and they do it wellOne being the aftermath of a fallen kingdom, the other being the last days of a land that is soon to parish if nothing is doneIn the first game, you're putting the kingdom and those who spent their last moments trying to protect it to restThe second is piecing together a kingdom that could easily end up as the previous kingdom if left uncheckedBoth share the idea of people trying anything to prevent disaster only to have it happen anyway and you dealing with the fallout of that
>>750616960I think they just like barefeet lolies better
>>750616960When ender lilies was notable only because of aesthetic, you can't just change it into something inferior and then wonder why peoppe skipped it.
>>750616960Oh and Lilies is more somber in tone since it's too late to save anything other than people's soulsMagnolia is more hopeful as you still have some time to save more than just soulsThis tone is shown in the art direction for each game too, with Lilies having more bleak and desolate areas compared to Magnolia which still has places that aren't completely dilapidated>>750617005Now that's understandable
>>750617073>notable only forI don't think that's the case really
>>750616960>I feel like judging Magnolia because Lilies were better is dumbNo, it's notWhat was the point of magnolia having dark souls roll for dodges, when it's replaced right away by better dodge after first boss? Like what the fuck.At least in lilies, loli faceplanted into ground for around hour or two depending on your pace. In magnolia they literally did entire roll dodging animation just to replace it right away in magnolia for "better gameplay feeling", the most soulless shit everEntire game suffers from small garbage like that and by the time you do weeb tower and witch academias, it's just too annoying to play
>>750617148No? What do you think ender lilies does well compared to other metroidvania? The only thing I can think of is some select music.
>>750617547The last zone, Verboten Domain, is really memorable and oppressive.
>>750617653>It gets good 8 hours in
>>750617470The dodge is inconsequential, it's mostly just a nod to Lilies before using the gameplay itself to show the setting and tone is different compared to the first game, done by showing how the MCs differ in ability (this is hinting at their different backgrounds and circumstances)
This game shits all over troon knight, Kotama is also a good substitute until ender 3
>>750617547The use of a cute girl MC and a protector that does the actual fightingThings don't need to do drastically different things to stand out
>>750617749Every metroidvania except for metroid doesn't get good until 4 hours in
>>750618349It's closer to 2 hours since that is generally when you get enough movement upgrades and open up the map for it to get fun.
>>750618349Except Metroid because Metroid never gets good LMAO
I don't know. Magnolia just feels mid
>>750618349>>750618419>>750618421Metroid isn't a metroidvania
>>750616517Follow your instincts. It's retard pedos hyping up pure dogshit. EL is the most milquetoast 5/10 absolute average of the average metroidvania. EM is worse, a 4.5/10. This is your reminder that silksong came out in 2025 and these same pedo posters think fucking EM is somehow noteworthy. They have zero taste or credibility over what makes a good game.
>>750618759It is, the same way SotN is also a metroidvania.
>>750618759Because it isn't just 2d dark souls/sekiro?
>>750618875you people are so fucking retarded
>>750618998>No argument, just insults.Really making a point there
>>750618824>Thinks midsong is goodOpinion discarded
>>750618864>>750618875Symphony of the Night got called Metroidvania because it used the Metroid formula with a Castlevania twist. The thing it brought are equipment you find and gain from enemies, player levels, and other minor things.Metroid does not have any of that, so it is not a metroidvania. And actually many games people call metroidvanias don't really fit the above.
>>750619284*thingsBasically it added lite RPG mechanics which aren't present in most games that people would call the same as it
>>750616517I feel having EL setting being an already doomed kingdom with an amnesiac protagonist really helped in being immersed in the setting, and slowly discovering the Blight, it's consequences and the lives it ruined lets you empathize with the characters you fight and rescue. It basically makes Lilly's journey yours because the world is equally unknown for both of us.Menwhile in Magnolia having Lillac talk and one of the first conversations she has with her stand be "I want to save all Homunculi" just left me asking "Ok, but why?" It felt like the game failed to make you care for the Homunculi in general and Lillac having her own goals and ambitions didn't really resonate with me because the game didn't build up to them.
>>750619358Metroons are so pretentious and retarded.
>>750617470>when it's replaced right away by better dodge after first boss? Like what the fuck.Yeah, that's pretty stupid>>750617005Lilly isn't barefoot
>>750616240It plays very much like a metroidvania. You would only argue this if you haven't played it
>>750619418Forgot to mention. Ender Lillie's music was great all around. None of Magnolia's song stuck with me
>>750619467Nice bait
>>750619516>You would only argue this if you haven't played itOkay
What the fuck was his problem
>>750619557nice photoshop
>>750619418>but why?She doesn't know, it's just a feeling she has and as you play she learns whyI feel like your actual issue is that she talks
>>750619054>Still seething Silksong mogs both Ender gameslol
>>750619636>She doesn't know, it's just a feeling she has and as you play she learns whyHaven't played in a really long time.>I feel like your actual issue is that she talksThe issue is not about talking, I just felt like that goal didn't resonate with me at all so I felt it was conveyed poorly. It bothered ever since the first demo was released
>>750619621: ^)
>>750619712I don't think it's supposed to resonate with you from the outset since it actually plays with the idea that maybe she's mistaken
>>750619613He had a good idea, but the problem grew much, much worse than the solution he gave simply because it was magic bullshit with an overly specific cure.
>>750619557That's worse. If you argue it while having played it that much you're just a retard
The forbidden Metroidvania...
>>750612530why didn't you mention belmont's curse
>>750619284>metroidvanias are about loot and not big 2D maps with locked gates you need to backtrack to laterBiggest revision i've seen
>>750620150Correction: metroid-likes are about big 2d mapes with locked gates you need to backtrack to later
>>750620123Everybody wants to memory hole that dogshit as soon as possible so we can pretend it doesn't exist, just like mirror of fate.
>maps
Seriously though, if a game has nothing SotN added to the formula why even bring up the name of the game in the genre name?
>>750620262>if a metroidvania doesn't have a ranged arm cannon weapon it's not a metroidvania but a castle-like
>>750620262Because it's extremely clear what the name of the genre is referring to in its general essence. You explore a non linear map and backtrack through it to find upgrades to unlock more of the map. I am fucking tired of genre label autists. The point of a genre title is to help group games together that play similarly in some general sense so you can talk about those games easier and recommend similar. It literally does not matter at this point if it doesn't have the absolute specifics from metroid or castlevania. You know EXACTLY what the fuck someone means when they say a game is a metroidvania and you're being disingenuous fucks by trying to play the "WELL TECHNICALLY..." card. Fuck off with your shit. You're so annoying.
>>750620316This doesn't work because we're talking about mechanics, not items and weaponsWhat mechanics does SotN bring to the table? RPG mechanicsThusly, if a game doesn't have RPG mechanics, it is bringing nothing that SotN brought to the tableMetroid brings the big interconnected maps with lock and key item progression
Magnolia was good overall, and the OL-loli mc was hot. I didn't like that the world didn't feel as bleak, there were way too many npcs who were alive and doing well, so it didn't really feel like you're overcoming against all odds. Lilies did much better in this regard.
The only metroid-like out there is axiom verge and it sucks ass just like the source material.
>>750619859>it's supposed to be bad chud!
>>750620381>it's extremely clearit isn't
>>750620432That isn't what is being said there
>>750620476Clearly if the player can't empathize with the protagonist or setting that is a flaw with the game's writing.
>>750620404Extra health bars are rpg mechanics
>>750620501That happens over the course of the story, not in the first 15 minutes
>>750616517Lilies was a pretty simplistic vania, I just liked running around turning the rooms gold while listening to the OST. I think I beat the whole game using the greathammer nigga and the parry guy exclusively. Just a comfy game desu, the only thing that was a bit underwhelming were the bosses being piss easy and the lvl100 achievement taking me two hours to grind out.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqRFaB3mpx8
>>750620573And?
>>750617005>barefoot loliBased, but has nothing to do with the conversation. We can still talk about it though.
>>750619682Silksong got btfo so hard by E33 that the lead dev trooned out
God, please don't make it suck. I know Noctis wasn't exactly the best game but I loved it and I want to like this one too.
>>750614487a troon has few voiced lines, other than that its just 2d silent hill/resident evilits good ... at lest everything in it is good outside the story which is just way to simple to carry such a long game, you will figure it out in first 60 minutes and the game will pretend like it need another 10 hours to make sure you get it
>>750618349>Every metroidvania except for metroid doesn't get good until 4 hours ini really hate thatway too many of those game gate keep basic movement until way too long into it, and some reach fucking parody levelslike this fucking game, fucking locks some updates until after you beat it and do all side collecting, what the fuck
>>750620262true, it's hollow-like
>>750621717Post game content in metroidvanias is kino thoughbeit
>>750620404Wrong. If theres RPG mechanics it's a souls-like.
>>750612530>2027Silent Planet - Elegy of a Dying WorldBloodstained: The Scarlet Engagement
the genre peaked here.shame about the ugly ass mc though.
>>750612530>Silver Pines>Limited savesTrash
>>750612530This is a good MV for everyone complaining about accessibility, runbacks, difficulty, getting lost, getting frustrated, etc. This game basically removed EVERYTHING that could even be remotely frustrating for the player.Which also means the game felt very bland to me. You're never punished. Dying has no drawback, so why should I care about my safety ? You can see absolutely everything you missed on the map, so why should I care about exploring ? The map structure is also very unoriginal, basically a big tower with paths to the left and right. Areas are all structured the same way. You always know exactly when you'll find a savepoint, or a boss, so you're never surprised. The game gives you all the cool stuff from the beginning (double jump and dash), so every upgrade you find after that feels a bit meh.It's a very good game mechanically, combat and movement feel good. Visuals are good, story is fine. But the game lacks a soul. You're not exploring (in a metroidvania...), you're never challenged (even on Hard), never frustrated nor surprised, so basically I felt no emotions while playing this game. I was like "yeah, it's a good game", but I have no strong memories of the game after playing it. IMO, being TOO accessible, handholding and forgiving is bringing the game down (for me). But if you're the type of player who was frustrated by many design decisions in Silksong, then by all means, play Ender Magnolia, this game is for you.
>>750612530Belmont's Curse was fun. Definitely something to look out for on a sale.
>>750623615I posted this
Are the Ender Lilies/Magnolia devs working on a new game?
>>750623615>Dying has no drawback, so why should I care about my safety ?That's such a weird argument.Dying itself is frustrating, so if a game is difficult you get a lot of frustration, but you can counterbalance it with the joy of overcoming a difficult fight after many attempts.I see no point however in adding additional frustrating elements that don't need to be there and just make the game overall less enjoyable.It simply isn't fun having to traverse endless difficult corridors just to move from one bench to the next in Hollow Knight because there is no proper fast travel outside of the very limited bug trains.Game devs really need to learn the difference between meaningful challenge and tedious grind.
>>750623615>Dying has no drawbackIs standard of genre since 00s
>>750623973>>750624016In older games like all the Metroids and IGA vanias dying was super punishing, you get a game over and must reload an earlier save, losing all progress. Magnolia uses the Dark Souls system where the game constantly auto-saves on every single item pickup etc, yet also removes the punishment (losing currency) to counterbalance this kind of save system. So dying literally doesn't matter.
>>750624167>IGA vanias dying was super punishing, you get a game over and must reload an earlier saveYou never played them
>>750624167There's save rooms and teleports everywhere in Igavanias. There are save rooms literally one screen away from every boss ie. the only content you should every be dying from. It's really not an issue.
>>750622787Souls like means it has a stamina bar
>>750624167What makes people who never played a game, comment on what the game does? Really when talking to people who have played said game?
>>750616240What do you call them? Prince of persian like?
It’s kind of sad that practically everyone has forgotten about Blade chimera or more likely doesn’t even know it exists despite it's a decent metroidvania
>>750612530youre eating shit, eyeballtank
>>750624167Ender games have those mechanics purely for flavor only. The gameplay just left me unsatisfied. It's like drinking a can of coke without buzzing in my mouth.
>>750613521>Ender LiliesHow? I dropped that game because of all the homing missle shots enemies had.
>>750613521Same. Didn't expect to, since I honestly bounced off Ender Lillies the first time I played.The concept art gallery you unlock after beating Ender Magnolia is a lot of fun, too, haven't seen one of those in a hot minute.
>>750612530Silver penis
>>750626957I dropped Hollow Knight partly because of the homing spore missiles, I didn't have issues with homing shots in Ender Lilies though.
>>750626957It's Dark Souls rules, you just dodge through them towards the enemy. The tracking is pretty weak too honestly.
>>750617005Lily wears shoes
>>750623684what are the last two achievements? ng+ or endings?
>>750620413>axiom verge is shitBased>the only oneToday you learn about the absolute pinnacle of metroidvanias: Zexion
>>750612530playing as a little girl is gay
>>750627618it's the manliest thing to do actually
>>750627113nta most common missed achievements are either the speedrun (under 4 hours) or the max every arcana (Works of Mercy) or the 100% completion (map exploration), I bet it's any of the 3
>>750619613gilroy is a saint compared to this fucker
Comfyhttps://youtu.be/IEsNoup1Cy4
>>750613521Beautiful games, just wish they were a bit more challenging. They are a good palette cleanser though if you're coming off a difficult game like Rabi-Ribi and its DLCs on the higher difficulties.
>>750613521The map in ender lilies is so shit it pisses me off, so happy magnolia improved on it
>>750628973same, sometimes I really couldn't tell where I had to go because i couldn't tell the "rectangles" apart
>>750626825It was fun enough, wouldn't mind more of it
Anyone played Minoria? I thought it wasn't good
>>750626825unironically I 100% it and had so much fun playing but it wasn't really memorable.It is a game I'd recommend but doesn't feel like something it'd "stay with you", i dunno if that makes sense. For example, I recall more of Deedlit and Wonder Labyrinth (same studio) than Blade Chimera even tho BC felt more refined
>>750612530My favorite this year is Fatal Claw and silver pine
>>750615969>>750621506>a few voiced linesThen naaah. Give them an inch and they will crawl all over you in the next game, mark my word.
>>750613521I found both of them to be mediocre, entirely carried by their artistic achievements rather than the gameplay or the story. I have a similar opinion of the first Blasphemous, but that game was more ambitious and memorable so the dull gameplay experience is easier to forgive AND the devs did try to improve upon it for the sequel.
>>750612530>pedo game>tranny game>manchild game
>>750629185I agree, it was ok at best. I'm pretty sure I finished the game but can't remember much about it other than having to abuse low HP equipment to shit out damage and clear bosses without taking a hit.
I loved/hated the first one, it was rather schizo game for me because at some point i didn't want it to end but it also felt like "oh please god I hope it's over"... Is 2 good? Better or worse than the first?
>>750616014>>750628838>claude, make ender lillies harderyou're welcome
https://youtu.be/t2mQxEtNgA0
>>750631986That's a good one.For me it's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATfX1e50v94Magnolia never beating the Glorified Nier Fangame allegations.
>>750631986Yep this is also why I prefer lilies, the music is just way better. Magnolia only had like one memorable song.
Ender Mognolia
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>>750632323>spoilerthe first time I hear about this.
WHERE ARE THE 3D VANIAS??????
>>750634282>3D VANIASElta: Defy All Godshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbbVRUA_prU
>2026 metroidvaniasgrime 2 was pretty good
>>750635373Was it better than 1, worse or the same?
>>750636402you get the important abilities far sooner so combat is more interesting but otherwise i preferred the first one (after the updates)
I really hope they do one more Ender game
>>750636745Ender Wisteria with a japanese loli who controls Ningyo (puppets) which are possesed by Yokai
>>750636841Claude, generate that game and add microtransactions
>>750636841I liked idea someone posted in one of these threads with her using possessed weapons instead.
>>750636628>>750636402many of the boss fights were pretty good and better than in grime 1. a bit like dreamborn terror fight
For me, it`s lalalalalalalahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFg0hjshRyQ
>>750637684I always liked this one https://youtu.be/-Oo138Q6d4Y but I think the Lilies OST is overall better with tracks like Harmonious and North
>>750637684love this one toohttps://youtu.be/6rYJq37Puzg
I wonder who this mysterious traveling priestess could be. Surely nobody that we know.
>>750626976Murder maid has some pretty nice boobs
>>750638886I was almost hoping for her to flex ther summons at some point but then i remembered she cant take them out of the kingdom
>annoyed to shit at Lillies damage on contact>disappointed Magnolia removed it as it made things too easyAn abstract sort of feel
>>750639651Meh, nothing beats doing perfect long jumps in lilies to reach secret area early
>>750639710Lilies collision damage was weird. Breaking enemy poise disabled it but the mechanic was outside of bosses pretty awkward anyway. Magnolia handled it much better. The game is fun with the difficulty sliders maxed out only the parries feel too strong.
>>750631035im torn on Grime 1 / 2They are well made games with good content ... but the games run on the "make the player suffer" shit hollow knight startedmap? fuck youbosses that dont kill you in 1 hit? fuck youbullshit cheap death trough walls and spell spams? fuck youeasy weapon upgrade? fuck youability to use different weapons that arent stat locked? fuck youinsane restrictive stamina system? fuck youthey took the wrong lessons from those games, the point shouldnt be to torture the playeri think what makes those games not good can be summed up with one example, i keep finding better and different weapons that require like 50 strength, but im level 20 and all my stats are into hp, you and the devs know you cant use them, they are given you as a cruel joke, thats the game summed up
>>750612530Kill yourself.
Not bad for being the dev's first game, fun bosses and mechanics also fanservicethe optional platforming challenge was actually way harder than the one in silksong
>>750638886We protected that smile.
>>750641137>>750618109Cool game but the horrible sidequests to get 100% completion and having basically NO teleports were NOT worth it.
>>750641207It was all worth it.
It's a shame Belmont's Curse was a steaming pile of shit.
>>750641634It was based off of the horrible cartoon. What did you expect?
>tfw you get the shock carapace and learn how to parry
>>750612530I don’t care for horror. Is Silver Pines a actually a solid MV? I’m replaying Magnolia now and it’s so polished and quality. I think I preferred figuring out the plot in Lilies more though. In Magnolia, NPCs tell you everything.
>>750641782plot in Lilies is pretty straight forward it's just told in notes. Sadly some extras were only revealed in the artbook. Magnolia has a somewhat confusing plot despite being more story focused. Lilac having amnesia was totally unnecessary too.
>>750641404Lily could grow so she can wander towards me and I can mating press her, we will save the world by making more priestesses.
>>750641782>Is Silver Pines a actually a solid MV?Imagine Resident Evil set in a decently interconnected town where you get several different melee weapons that enable you to overcome different obstacles, like breaking down walls, plus a few other upgrades like longer swimming, with a surprising amount of secrets hidden in plain sight like a roof you can jump at. That's basically Silver Pines.
>>750623445It's only an issue in the first few hours. They game starts throwing money and resources at you after that. Only abiut halfway through it though.
>>750613521Same
>>750631580I do actually have a pro sub to OAI, I wonder what astra would shit out if I asked it that kek.
>>750641782>I don’t care for horror. Is Silver Pines a actually a solid MV?All it has is horror, horror game styled puzzles and resource management, it's just called a MV to get into the metroidvania algorithm, it's just a really solid 2D resident evil
>>750614542This. She's way too flat.
>>750629304How the fuck do you play this game, it feels so bad without a i frame dash
>>750634351>Elta: Defy All GodsJust played the demo, while the gameplay is good and smooth, the visuals are inconsistent as fuck, narrative is 1/10 and UI looks like a mobile game.Man, what an inconsistent game.
>>750639651If i remember correctly the only summon that's with her 24/7 is the undying knight
>>750641782>Is Silver Pines a actually a solid MVno, its more resident evil with a lot of puzzlesthe MV only comes in expiration, secrets and unlocking "abilities" to get to new regions, which just means keys, weapons etccombat is more survival horror with ammo menagment, though you get enough to kill everything even if it dosnt feel like it
>>750632323>>750637684For me itshttps://youtu.be/poAhsNuDH2k
>>750648140https://youtu.be/kbj7CoHYcP0>Phase 3 Gilroy gets french lyrics Im fairly certain they took inspiration from phase 3 eigong
>>750623361I wouldn't say it peaked here but it's def a top 5 modern metroidvania. Thank god for this skin you get from the start, I didn't have to see his ugly face outside of dialogues.
