Which of them is the worst Final Fantasy ever created?
>>75059422513.
>>75059422514
8.
You can take out the 7 remakes they're the only good games square made in eons.
>>750594225FF13 or FF2.Should've asked which is the worst of the four, not the worst FF ever.
>>75059422515 and 16 are equally awful but for different reasons.>>750594287>>750594430FF13 is a better game than 15 or 16. And FF2 is a good game, you're just blindly repeating memes about a game you haven't played.
>>750594225VII (original)
>>750594507Nah 13 has the worst story and the worst gameplay of those three games.15 and 16 take a lot of risks though most of them end of them end up a mixed bag.
>>75059422512
>>750594225FFXV is the only FF ive never finished because it is assRemake and rebirth are fantasticFFXVI is undercooked, but better foundation than FFXV
>>750594225I've not played any of those, but from 1~14 12 is easily my least favorite. I'd gladly replay 2 or 13 over 12 any day.
>>750594507I've played and fully beaten them.13 doesn't open up until the game is close to over, and the ending is outright nonsensical and unsatisfying.2 is bad moreso because it was an early attempt at something different (that would morph into the SaGa games), certainly not through a lack of effort.13 and 2 are the worst FFs.
>>75059450713 is arse. It has absolutely no sense of place which is arguably the most important element of a Final Fantasy. A new world you're supposed to get invested in. 13 is just disconnected sparkly corridors then a big empty field at the end. It's crap.
>>750594225haven't played 15. so rebirth
>>750594757>Remake and rebirth are fantastic
>>75059422513
>>75059422513 and 14 are worse than anything here
>>750594225The 7 Remakes are top 5 FFs unironically
>>750594225Of the ones pictures, Rebirth, because Rebirth is an Ubisoft game.
>>750594225Haven't played 16 but there's no way it could be worse than the abomination that is 15. 13 is awful but I think I hate 15 more for being somehow even more mindless and not even looking as good as 13 did.The 7 remakes might just be the worst, though, because not only are they bad, but they had the BALLS to slap "final fantasy 7" onto these piece of shit games and hoodwink younger people into thinking they know anything about ff7 when all they know is this grotesquely mangled version of the characters, setting, and story.
13 IS NOT WORSE THAN 16
>>750594225Rebirth. It's the only one where I had to just start skipping the cutscenes or I would never be able to finish the thing and the enemy design for combat got progressively worse the further into the game you got.
>>750594225Clive is weepy incel and his game sucks
>>7505942257, its genuinly overrated dogshit
>>750595246How is Clive an incel? He has one of the series' most overt romances and most of the hookers would definitely toss him freebies
>>75059422513,14 (before the revamp), and 15 fucked up final fantasy but if I had to pick it is 13 because the start was so bad I dropped it.
>>75059422513 made me drop it mid-playthrough, which is quite the feat. 15 Did that but also made me give up hope for future titles. I haven't played the others. However, I did watch my sister play 16 for a bit, and it looks somehow even more boring than the previous two.In short, throw a dart between 13, 15 and 16 and you really can't go wrong.
>>750595246But he got pussy whereas you never did and never will
>>75059514513 is arguably the worst FF ever made, anon
15
>>750595402He's not an incel just autistic. It took him 5 years to catch on to Jill's thirst and even then it was only when she literally got naked and put his hand on her boob
>>750595635FF13 has actual RPG mechanics which is more than can be said about FF16 which is just full of bafflingly stupid design decisions all the way through.
>>750595402That anon is retarded and doesn’t know what words mean, Clive is the least incel character in final fantasy games and is was most likely a volcel/celibate. Plus he fucked his wife on screen
>>750595246you're confused and thinking about Noctis
>>750595402He's just a whiny faggot.>>750595691>Clive is the least incel character in final fantasy games and is was most likely a volcel/celibate.He got raped in the ass by Sanbreque nobles albeit.
>>750594225FF6 > Tactics > IX > VII > Type 0 > XII > IV > V > XIV > X > VIII > 13-2 > X-2 > Dogshit > 7R > 13 > 15 > 16
>>750595749>he’s just a whiny faggot>but not the like of Cloud and NoctisAt least try to act like you don’t have a blatant bias you limpdick lmao
>>750595749Yea your gay fanfics isn’t canon anon
>>750594225I'd say 16 because it's probably the most disappointing. It probably had potential to be a really great game but they just had enough content for a demo they somehow stretched to 100 hours.
Guys he died
16 as it's the least ambitious Final Fantasy...
>>750595874When does Cloud start bawling about wanting to fuck his brother again?
>>750595984But it had "find the flame"...
>>750594225the remake is so fucking bad its unreal. jessie almost saved it, but they killed her off. the combat is monotonous. its all corridors point to point. its a 2 hr sequence spread out over 50 hrs or some shit with retarded time cop space ghosts as the main antagonist and then you kill gods and sephiroth to end the first act - just completely neuters any posisble threat level of the next 2 games with how ridiculous the ending to first game was.
>>750594225>No 13Anyway it's either 13 or 16.
>>750595962was he in final fantasy?
>>750595682You can't cover shit with RPG mechanics and say it's better simply for having RPG mechanics. It's still a piece of feces, but with hit points.
>>750595984That would technically be Final Fantasy 5, wouldn't it? There was nothing ambitious in 5 at all, just excellent execution.16 was ambitious, but terrible.
>>75059422515, its barely even a game
>>750596317Plus doesn’t it takes like 75%+ of the game to even get to the point it even matters?
>>75059422516 easyits the least FF basically just a skin of final fantasy over a devil may cry game
>>750596386The "the least ambitious FF"-thing with 16 is just an ongoing meme. It's not actually serious.I've posted it before too.
>>750596317>You can't cover shit with RPG mechanics and say it's better simply for having RPG mechanicsAs opposed to DMC-lite and not even being good at that?
>>750596404Yes, but it's better than a game with no actual mechanics at all. 13 isn't a good game, it's just better than 15 and 16.
>>750594225Unfortunately, XVI. OST is good, spectacle is good, but the gameplay is somehow even worse than FFXV.The worst FF of all time is 100% XIV.
>>750596617Yes. 16 is obviously a bad game.It's just not even close to being as bad as 13 though.
>>750596725nta but you're really putting in work trying to memoryhole people into forgetting how bad 13 was
>>750594225I've only played 15 and remake and I'd say 15 is worse. I did also find remake extremely boring
The majority seems to say 13 13 had amazing aesthetics and the gameplay is hyper experimental but in retrospective i grew to like it on replay. more so in 13-2 though.Lightning Returns whoever no complaints, its good. It's FF13 but more so a reaction based offense / defense game.The final boss is genuinely hard af.
>>750596965I just said 13 isn't a good game. It's bad. It's just better than 15 and 16 which are unbelievably bad.
>>750597431NTA but what you said, but the opposite. 13 is widely considered to be possibly the worst FF. 15 and 16 are bad, but 13 is unbelievably bad.
>>750594225X
>>75059743116 is better than both because it at least has some likeable characters.
>>7505942257R a shit
>>750597539Who's your favorite character? The fag? The weepy brocon? The whoville girl who doesn't speak?
>>750597486I don't think you've played all those games if you somehow think 13 is worse than 15 or 16. 13 was unbelievably bad at the time it came out. Things have gotten so much worse since then.
>>750597634Cid and Gav are fine. I also liked Barnabas as a villain. Clive is fine which is more than I can say about anyone in 13 and 15
>25 years since a good original mainline FF gameWhat went so wrong with Square? Also 12 is not a real FF game.
>>750597790I've played all the mainlines, except 11 (which shouldn't be a mainline). Not many of the spinoffs though.13 doesn't open up until the game is close to over, and the ending is outright nonsensical and unsatisfying.I'm slowly suspecting you didn't even play 13 and you're trolling, because there is no way you can play it and pretend it's not the absolute worst.
>>750597796Ignis is kino in the DLC.
>>750597534Crazy. Not with that ending. The ending and the build up was really god story telling.
>>750598005>13 doesn't open upIt opens up to fucking nothing, just another dead soulless world with nothing in it but marks to kill
>>750598005I've played every FF many times. I replayed 13 just recently, which is why I can say very confidently that it's not worse than 15 or 16. 15 and 16 are painful to play. I've been struggling through my 15 replay for the past year slowly trying to chip away at achievements and it's a nightmare. It is a miserable fucking experience. The worst I can say about 13 is that it's boring and the story sucks. 15 is actively painful.
>>750598095But X-2 completely ruins it.
>>750598170x-2 is yuna's fever dream
>>750598117But enough about FF15
>>750598140What you're saying, but the opposite.13 is actively painful, while 15 and 16 are just very bad.
>>750598117I'm trying to be fair to either a 13 weirdo or possible troll in how it "opens up".It technically opens up later in the game, just not to a satisfying agree, and way too late in the game.13 is just horrible.
>13 is the worst>15 is the worst>16 is the worstAll of them are fucking bad you autists. Not a single modern Final Fantasy game is worth playing.
Remake and Rebirth rule, 13 is probably the worst. I wanted to like 16 but holy shit it was awful.
>>750598246Dude, 13 at least expects you to play a game and swap paradigms as the fight demands it. You know what 15 combat is? You hold circle while the camera goes ballistic and enemies just step out of reach or do attacks with no wind ups. That's between the 30 hours of driving up to a parking spot so you can slowly run across an empty field to an MMO quest marker.
>>750598428>running down long hallways for 80% of the game so that you can simply swap stances occasionally is good.15 was at least a legit ARPG, even if a bad one.This is some revisionism shit, like with people pretending the SW prequels were good.
>>750598350Calling one the worst isn't saying that others aren't also bad
>>750598428Oh, and every single fucking animation and interaction in 15 is twice as long as it needs to be. That game is torture.>>750598556Dark Souls is a legit ARPG. 15's "combat" is schizophrenic and ignores any actual input from the player, and the RPG elements are miniscule.>This is some revisionism shitIt's not revisionism, it's just that things have gotten so much worse since 2007. It's like you decided back then that 13 was the worst thing that can ever happen in history and you've never stopped to reconsider your stance in light of new developments. 15 and 16 are abhorrent. The game design decisions are just pure nonsense, like they were made by aliens.
>>75059422515 and it's not even close.
>>750594225XV and XVI are at the bottom.
>>750598660I didn't "never stop to reconsider". I played it again with my wife a year ago.It's still the worst FF. I dont' know how it was released in that state.
>>75059422515 due to the fact that it's the biggest wasted potential I've ever played. This game made me stop paying attention to most Square Enix titles and makes me think that anyone who buy their games are cattle. Square should have the reputation of Ubisoft or EA.
>>750594287I still can't believe how muach a low point 13 was but even less that it's still better than anything that came after.Squeenix really deserves its low sales.
>>750598170sure but we were talking about FF10 in a vacuum not in the context of FF10-2.its a good game and a good story on its own
>>75059814013 at least feels like a FF game.I cant say the same of 15 or 16 at all. Especially not 16.
>>750599172If only Nomura actually made Verum Rex instead of the demake slop and KH4.
>>750594225XV. XVI isn't an FF, and I'm saying this as a fan of CBU3.
>>750598869>15>game made me stop paying attention to most Square Enix titles>not 13
>>750594225Of those four specifically 15 is easily the worst
>>750594225imagine the games we could've had if they didn't go all in on 7R slop
>>75059930513 sucked ass but I assumed it was a 1 time thing where Square fucked up, and Versus 13 trailers lived rent-free in my head for years that I thought they can't fuck it up. Turns out they can and still consistently fuck up, only FF shit I played was that strangers of paradise game and it was a 7/10 okay game.
>>75059422515 is the worst and it isn't close.Insanely bad combat and the party sucks.
>>750599410>game(s)>S-E>the company that is wildly mismanaged since the merger, can't figure out how to make and use their own engines, they reinvent the wheel constantly, and they can't control their own budgets or timelines>not a single soul in their staff that can competently make a good game>consistently release slop ports of their legacy titles and still shit out bad new games to this dayYeah, I'm sure we missed out on a ton of cool games.
>>750599172Barry will remember that.
>>750594225Definitely Final Fantasy XV
FFXV is just bad in so many ways. Driving is probably the worst implementation I've seen in any game. Story makes no sense at all. Your party are just literal whos and actually meaningful characters get 2 minutes of screentime in a 60 hour game. The world is just boring and generic. It does nothing unique, does nothing great it just exists. Without the fancy graphics and FF moniker it gets 6/10s and forgotten in a month
>>750596386FFV was ambitious when it comes to gameplay content. It brought almost every ability from the past 4 games, created a lot more including these jobs that have a dozen different situational skills. They massively downscaled since FFVI, I think one of the most obvious ways is how FFV's Blue Magic has 30 different spells and following games have much less (ex. Lore only got 20 spells in VI, mostly reused from V).
>>750594225probably 16 by virtue of being a shitty dmc parading as final fantasy
>>750597884>What went so wrong with Square?i'd say enix
>>750600295>here's why the game is shit>and without its positives it would be a 6/10niggers like you have made rating utterly useless
>>750594225None of them because they aren't 13.
>>75059422515 and 13 are by far the worst mainline FFs
>>75059422515 and it's not even debatable, the game is literally an unfinished mess you have to watch movies and read books to have the full story of.
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>>750594287FPBP OP is a faggot
Should I play rebirth guys? I have read terrible things about minigames and fillerRemake was a 6.5/10 for me...
>>750602161It has a lot of minigames but it has the gold saucer so that's expected.
>>750602352Are there criticisms of rebirth that are less easily handwaved away?
>>750594225All of them
All of them are good
>>750602161Some of the minigames are by far the most fun part of the game. Only some of them.Just steer clear and if you really must play it don't pay for it
>>750602698no kys
>>75059422513 and the VII remakes. At least XV and XVI were trying something new instead of raping a beloved classic
>>750594225XIII is the least fun. Worst story is LRFFXIII.
>>750594225None of them because Final Fantasy 2 exists.
>>750594225Three of them are just bad games, but everyone involved with XVI should be ashamed of themselves. There aren't even a handful of good tunes you can point to, it has no redeeming qualities.
>>7505942258 is fundamentally an unpleasant game to play. 9 has issues that updating its loading times could fix. 13 is an all around terrible experience. The action games have weird issues, which are unique to each game being an attempt to reinvent the wheel while being too formulaic in other areas. Of the four games OP posted I'd say the second entry of the "remake" trilogy for FF7 is the worse. The FF7 "remake" in general needs to be done again and done right this time.
>>750594225Despite all the flaws, I had fun PLAYING FfVII and FFXV (up until the railroad they put you in after Leavithan). Cant say the same about FFXVI which I had no fun playing, but had fun watching.
>>750594757Barry is back
>>750594507Nah 13 is dogshit, you just have dogshit taste is all
>>750594225It's gotta be the new one that's just chinkslop casino shit, right? At least those four are real video games.
>>750594225Those are all good games. Especially the Remake Series.Final Fantasy V is the worst FF ever made.
>>75059563513 is arguably the worst JRPG ever made
>>750594225>15Average game, average story>7rGood game, average story>7r2Good game, has no story at all>16Ok story, bad game. It's a fuckin clicker for console casuals. Even the director said they wanted players to turn their brains off while playing it
>>750598556>pretending the SW prequels were good.Nta, I'm with you about 13 being a lot worse than 15 but I will fight you on that nigga
>>750606386did you want to provide a justification for your claim instead of a video of you playing it like a retard
>>75059422515 and is not even close16 at least has the intro part which is Kino and halfway the game until Cidolfus dies then is a shitshow and the gameplay is assFF7R has decent gameplay and decent graphics but that's itRebirth is bloat and procrastination:the game its worst sin is being boring,15 has no redeeming qualities whatsoever, and it will be always the non-Versus game.
>>750606884How can you play a shit game wrong?
>>750594287This.I'd rather fall asleep on the all-boys roadtrip than play 13.
>>750594225This whiny shit again? I guess uncs and browns just can't get over the fact that the Remake Series is the future of Final Fantasy. :))))))
>>750594225Imagine being such a seething retard that you actually have to pretend the 7 remakes arent great
>>750607424say what
>>750606529Not with stuff like Neptunia, man. It's probably the worst mainstream RPG ever made, tho.
>>750599275Nomura has had barely anything to do with VIIR beyond the initial pitch. He's just a name they like to throw in the credits for PR.
>>750594225I'm going to say 15 only cause I never played 13. The fact that people say 13 is somehow worse that 15 is mind blowing to me
>>750594225XVIIt's not even a good action game let alone a good final fantasy game.
>>75059645616 is the least Final Fantasy but I don’t even think it’s because of the gameplay, it just looks and feels like a shitty wrpg, a Witcher 3 knockoff with anime fights tossed in, all the npcs look so ugly, the world is so bland and generic, it’s just a mess in it’s art design
>>750594225Played all of them except for Rebirth, so can't speak for that one, so it's a tossup between 13, 15 and 16. The worst part of 13 is its unfathomably bad level design, but at least it knows it's a video game and lets you engage with mechanics a lot of the time. 15 had a good premise, but it's hyper casualized and made for people that don't even play video games, it has garbage combat but mediocre everything else. 16 had godawful pacing and a story that starts out good but turns to shit very soon, but the music and the combat are too strong (in a vacuum) for me to say that the game is worse than 15 or 13. I think the worst FF has to go to 15.
>>750594225>15Flawed but okay game.>16Flawed but good game.>FF7 Remake and RebirthRetarded fanservice shit. Garbage.
>>750594507>FF13 is a better game than 15 or 16.Not even close. 13 killed the franchise because of how bad it is.
>>750597884>What went so wrong with Square?They took the mmo bait with XI, which no one likes to talk about. Everything after that has more and more mmo elements in it that ruined the series.
>>750598140I enjoyed 15. It was definitely undercooked and felt like two games mashed together at the end, but I had a way better time driving around with the bros doing dungeons and side quests than at any point in 13. 13 was excruciating to get through.
>>750594225Well, I was able to finish and somewhat enjoyed XV and XVI. I still can't get past Chapter 9 of Remake, it's so bad.
>>750603246Rebirth is basically just XV but with a bigger budget. You even get to drive around the desert with your party doing fetch quests.
Yet you can't name a single game better than Final Fantasy.
I played Remake because it's in xbox pass then uninstalled it 30 minutes later.
>>750598350Gramps I was in pre school when 13 came out. It's not a modern game.
>>750594225XV hands down followed by XIII
>>750615317Driving a buggy was a thing in the original they might as well let you enjoy it a little before you lose it.
