Which one was worse?
>>750580761didn't play 4 but mgs3 is incredibly badI hardly believe 4 can be worse
>>750580761All MGS games are good, and the faggots who have a hateboner for Kojima are worse than even the worst of the Kojidrones.
5
>>7505807615 worse story4 worse gameplayThe concept of 5 is really compelling though, what with V having come to. Etc. shame about the end result
>>750581202Story of 4 was fucking hot stinky garbage though.
>>750580761The unfinished one
5 but mostly because 4 is the best one
>>750580761I wouldn’t call 4 “bad”. Just really, really weird. Kojima was in a weird position where he wanted to leave the story open ended after mgs2, but was forced to answer these questions because the fans begged him to. So he decided to make the most cynical mgs yet, where the characters are brought back just to be shown as washed up losers. By the end of the game, it comes back around and becomes kind of a love letter to the series, which I liked.
Ground Zeros. Kojimbo shoulda been skinned alive for that.
>>7505807613, 4 and PW are the worst games in the series (spin-offs included)V is too high IQ for plebs
>>750581670I think you are probably the first person I’ve seen who didn’t like GZ. That game is edgekino.
>>750581363This meme needs to end.>inb4 kingdom of the fliesOne mission that has no bearing on the real story.
>>7505807614 because fuck movie games
>>750581765“Chapter 3:Peace”
>>750580761every game after 1 is shit and even 1 is overrated
>>750581718>V is too high IQ for plebslol
>I'm afraid it's been 9 yearswhy was he afraid??
>>750581814Peace day never came.
4 was clumsy but there was a full game in there, and then some (MGO2)V was just blue balls: the video game. Solid start but it fizzles out like a wet fart
V/GZ>4>1>2>3>PW
>>750580761Depends on what you want: Do you want to watch a movie or play an unfinished and open world meme game?
>>750581968>4>game
>>750581720I didnt know anything about it. Just saw it at the store for 30 bucks and it MGS V. Thought it was a real game and not a 30min tech demo.
The good parts of 4:>"War has changed" opening.>Old Snake ending before Big Boss showed up to steal it and lore dump your assThe good parts of V:>Ground Zeroes>Paz>Medic twist>Virus outbreak>Huey's trialV had a lot more interesting ideas and some of them are even well executed - much more so than anything in 4. Everything else in both games was pretty bad, but 4 was worse. V is still a lot more fun to think and talk about. There's nothing to think about in 4. And 4 isn't even a game. It's a shitty movie.
>>7505807614like, this isnt even a contest, 4 is garbage from start to finish. 5 may be a sandbox with a retarded story, but 4 is a movie with THE worst story in media history
>>750581765Even ignoring the plot, MGSV's gameplay is kind of half-baked too. It's Kojima trying and failing to wed the structure of Peace Walker and the prior games to an open-world format with all the expectations that come with it. Death Stranding is more satisfying since he was given the freedom to focus on the latter. The online component of the story goes from being something never seen in-game to being seamlessly interwoven with the plot and gameplay.>>750581202>4 worse gameplayThe biggest problem with 4's gameplay is that there's very little of it.
>>7505807614 was worse
>>750581968>Solid start>the start is the worst hour in video game history youExcellent take, retard.
>>750580761I like 5 more because I get to be a serial kidnapper and because of racist miller memes.
>>750580842mgs3 is the best one, dummy
>>750580761>Browser game tier unlock system What where they thinking
>>7505807615 and it's not even close to being close. Wasn't even a MGS game. Kojima went AWOL and never made a good game again after getting into his sissy fight with Konami.
>>750584469Kaz “Fulton a black, send him back” Miller
>>750584507I actually didn’t like mgs3. It felt like a generic Cold War James Bond movie with none of the signature metal gear flair. The story was just so bland to me.
>>750581321I'm convinced MGS4 was dogshit on purpose, then konami tried to tardwrangle that moron kojima with 5 but it backfired. You can clearly see why konami tried to get rid of kojima. His face and name is plastered all over that fucking game, every mission his name is mentioned, you get him as a staff member and there is a repeat rescue mission where you save kojima instead of kaz. He also wasted tons of the development budget on shit they never did anything with in the game. He's an obnoxious cunt and I totally get why konami tried to get rid of kojima and then milked MGS to get their money back
>>750581765>One mission Brother half the fucking game never got made. It's a hell of a lot more than "one mission"
>>750581996The most retarded ranking I've ever seen
>>750585058>It's a hell of a lot more than "one mission"What else? Battle Gear? Shit was deliberately cut because Kojima said it would fuck up the game balance. It's retarded, but it is what it is. Nothing else was "cut". Some ideas like SKULLS Chico were rejected. They were not cut because the game run out of budget or time. Kojima just changed his mind. With the exception of Kingdom of the Flies, the game is literally finished. There is nothing else to the story.
>>750584631Kazuhira "Speaking kikongo? Beat him like a bongo" Miller
I bought mgs 5 on sale for $30 and got bored after the hospital sequence and i havent touched it in 8 years
>>750586632You were supposed to start with Ground Zeroes.
>>750580761They're both pretty bad in different ways, and it feels pretty clear that Kojima was just fucking tired of making Metal Gear by this point. 4 is barely even a game at times, and for a game so consumed by cinematics and dialogue the story and dialogue are still both retarded and cringe as fuck. The cringey Kojima humor and "lol randomness" is fucking relentless and the story is a mess despite/because of trying to explain everything. 5 has some pretty fun gameplay and missions despite the emptiness of the open world, but the story is utterly incoherent and goes full retard, and on top of that it's incomplete and fragmented. Started off with a great vibe in Ground Zeroes and at the beginning of the game with this heavy atmosphere and a lot of intrigue but it completely falls into nonsense eventually.
>>750587760Well to understand GZ you need to play PW
4. Which is not to say that 5 is good, but after 4 I gave Kojima the benefit of the doubt since there was the narrative that he made it out of spite and most of the controversial decisions was because he was making sequels he didn't want to.Then 5 comes out and it's like "Oh he's just like this now" which took out the benefit of the doubt from 4.
>>750587878There's a "Backstory" entry in the main menu plus Cassette tapes that explain everything.
>>750588524>Oh he's just like this nowPretty much my exact thoughts with his current games. DS2 was awful. And that’s coming from a guy who liked DS1.
>>7505807614V is an actual game with some shitty cutscenesMGS1-4 created the concept of movie game as per Kojima's vision
>>750581814Peace is the end, like death of the war
>>750581765Doesn't the game end with a massive compilation of scenes and it says "coming in part 2" or something? As if you just got to the half way point. And then part 2 never happened
>>750588704Yeah I just finished Death Stranding 2 last night actually, I loved the original Death Stranding, but holy shit Death Stranding 2's was no sense. First was weird in a good way, this was weird in a fucking stupid way that doesn't even make sense in-universe, it's just Kojima doing lol random bullshit because he wants to. That guitar fight shit was so gay, and in general the story was so uninspired, half of it is rehash of stuff from yesterday first game with a different skin and the other half does nothing but ruin stuff from the original.
>>7505807614. The gameplay is good but there isn't that much of it between each movie length cutscene. If 4 had more gameplay i'd say 5 instead.That being said since I originally played 5 pirated I was in a rush to finish it by like, mission 30. There was no point in me doing extra ops past a certain point and I couldn't do a whole bunch of stuff on it anyway.
>>750581321Filtered
>>750588997No. Chapter 2 "Race" happens, and it wraps up everything except Eli stealing the robot with child soldiers. That was the only one thing not finished.
>>750588997That happens before chapter 2
>>750581081Cuck
>>750589328you say that it was the only thing not finished but it's a pretty fucking big plot point
>>750588914Wow this game looks like SHIT
>>750591073>but it's a pretty fucking big plot pointNot really. Plus, they released that shit in video format and you can watch it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B4JIHh5Jqk
>>750580761V is more fun to play overall but lacks a lot of the spirit of MGS and has an unsatisfying second half/ending.4 has a lot of dumb writing but also a lot of fanservice and peak moments. It feels like a fitting conclusion to the entire series.
>>750584507only because you never played any prev mgs doesn't mean that's the best. it's obviously the worse storywise and gameplaywise
>>750580761V let's you play the game, 4 doesn't
>>7505807614 sucked ass and there wasn't enough actual gameplay.
>>750580761V needed a Zeke-like building mechanic for improving Battle Gear into a weapon that could take down Sahelanthropus in the lead up to kingdom of the flies.
You now remember Act 3, forced slow walking NPC tailing, and then forced, scripted, overly long and obnoxious motorcycle chase set piece with hag EVA. God, that shit fucking sucked.
>>750580761MGSV is not even a full game so, MGS4
>>7505807614.Not only is a legitimately boring game, but it only has like 2 hours of actual gameplay and it's story retroactively ruined the entire franchise.
>>750580761Peace Walker
MGS have always been movie games, criticizing MGS4 specifically for this is nonsensical.
>>750592910Other MGS games respect your time more. 4 has too much exposition especially in the plane briefing scenes. The writing quality in general is a downgrade with many unsatisfying answers.
Is MGS1 the good one? I've now played all the rest and the only good one was MGR
>>750593064What didn't you like about 2 and 3?
I'm glad MGS4 finally being freed from PS3 made people realize it's not much better than V, arguably worse. A couple of years ago everyone ITT would unanimously agree V was worse.
>>750592910Nigga, the final cutscene in MGS4 is 71 minutes. Fuck off. There is no videogame. It's a movie with a bunch of short gameplay segments.>walk 5 meters>cutsceneIt's garbage.
>>750588914Ocelot is trying really hard not to look.
>>750593253>>walk 5 meters>>cutsceneIt was virtually the same with all the previous games.
>>750593354You should be ashamed of your words and deeds.
>>750593379No, it wasn't. There were codec calls, but you could skip them if you read faster than they talk. Actual cutscenes were reserved for important stuff.
>>750593354I mean can you blame him?
>>750593139I hated the boss battles in both, they felt tedious. I didn't like the stealth gameplay in 2, there wasn't enough to it compared to something like Thief or Deus Ex. The stories were kind of fun but all the weird fetish stuff Kojima put in to all the games just took me out of it.
2 > 1 > 3 > 4 > 5 > pw
>>7505937512 is much more arcadey and fast paced it's its own style of steatlh. The boss fights have a littlel too much focus sometimes but they're pretty easy and all have unique strategies/interactions. Kojima's fetishes just make me laugh>pissing>feet>women getting tortured>Otacon keeps falling in love just to have his heart broken four different times
>>750593989Also>twinks getting their balls squeezed
3 > PW > GZ > 2 > V > 1 >>> 4Big Boss games are a lot more interesting than Solid Snake games and have much better gameplay. Kojima was kinda right about not liking Solid Snake that much. Big Boss games have much more complex, flawed characters and feel a lot more dramatic and serious.
>>750592910mgs games are more video games than any aaa competitior by a gigantic margin. calling them movie games is ignorant at best.
>>750594450>PW above GZLeave. Now.
>>750584507only newniggers of the series consider MGS3 to be the best
>>750594537Name 5 competing games from 1998 that are more of a movie game than MGS1.
>>750580761they're both goodoverall i guess i'd pick MGS4 just cause its too long
>>750594905Ocarina of TimeResident Evil 2Parasite EveSonic AdventureXenogears
>>750594786GZ is literally just an epilogue to PW. It doesn't stand on its own, and it owes its drama and story entirely to PW.
>>750595013>Approximately 20% of The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time consists of cutscenesLess than MGS1>Approximately 15% of Resident Evil 2's total playtime consists of cutscenesLess than MGS1>Parasite Eve features approximately 30% cutscenesSlightly less than MGS1, but similar>Approximately 30% of Sonic Adventure consists of cutscenesSlightly less than MGS1, but similar>About 40% of Xenogears consists of cutscenesSlightly more than MGS1, but similar
>>750585491He's probably talking about gameplay considering how many reused mission types you have to play through across both Afghan/African regions, nevermind the cut island conclusion or muh OP railgun tank or whatever the fuck Chapter 3 was.
>>750595363cutscene ratio is such a surface level analysis it's basically irrelevant
>>750595451What's relevant then?
>>750595475the billions of autistic interactions, secrets and easter eggs that most people never get to see or even know about. this makes the mgs games an order of magnitute more interactive than any competitor. especially modern sony AAA titles, for which watching a longplay on youtube is actually indistinguishable from "playing" the game yourself.
>>750595412Chapter 3 had no content tied to it, it was just a card that would drop upon achieving a legit nuclear disarmament.
>>750595412Most of the missions being bland and repetitive is not a sign of the game being unfinished, but rather a sign of bad game design. You spend most of the game extracting or killing random faceless fucks you don't care about - ever since mission one - and the plot is given in breadcrumbs. But what else can you do? Gameplay comes in the form of many, many options available to you to do these generic missions, freedom to approach the mission however you like. It's quite finished.
>>750595650>for which watching a longplay on youtube is actually indistinguishable from "playing" the game yourselfThose longplays usually don't include "secrets and easter eggs". It is the same for MGS1. Watching a longplay is indistinguishable from playing the game.
NANOMACHINES, SON
>>750595847they can't include the secrets and easter eggs of movie games because they don't have them and they don't include the secrets and easter eggs of mgs because theyre different for everybody who plays the game.
>>750595974>Every copy of MGS is personalizedWoah..
I prefer 4. 5 feels so barebones in terms of story. Sure, muh gameplay etc, but 4 is packed with setpieces start to finish, proper bosses, proper everything it really feels like an MGS game. 5 feels like an MGS game engine that you COULD make a game out of. The story is non-existant, the missions are repetitive as fuck, there are barely any unique setpieces, nothing really there outside of the sandbox. Nothing curated. Its a strange comparison, but Its almost like one of those mods for skyrim that adds a new area. But there arent any quests, proper voice acted NPCs there, just things to fight, so it just feels kind of lifeless. MGS 5 is like that in MGS form.
>>750594842pubescence is thinking MGS3 is the bestadulthood is realizing MGS2 was a flawed masterpiece
>>750595974>they can't include the secrets and easter eggs of movie games because they don't have them Name 5 "modern sony AAA movie game titles" with no easter eggs or secrets
>>7505807611 = 2 > V (modded/challenge run) > PW > 4 (second act) > 3 > V (vanilla/tranqfulton run) > 4 (rest of the game)
>>750596832i'll give you 5 entire franchises insteadunchartedthe last of ustomb raidergod of warhorizon
>>750597073All of these games have easter eggs and secrets
>>750597110if you are an intellectually dishonest, disingenuous faggot sure
A year ago a beta build of MGSV leaked, sadly it was dated August 2015, just a month before release, so content wise it was pretty much the same as the launch version.But it did have a file called asset_versions.zip indicating the paths of every single asset created during the entire development. With this we have a pretty good picture of what got cut.>confirms Chapter 3 was tied to Nuclear Disarmament, the card would drop upon achieving a legit disarmament, no content tied to it>confirms Ground Zeroes was meant to be integrated into the game, the mission would be Episode 2 instead of the tutorial mission>the Battle Gear was scrapped pretty early in development, likely because the FOX Engine's physics didn't allow for it's hovercraft feature to feel good at all>Adult Chico was scrapped quite late into development, there's lines pointing at both the GZ and his adult model and>Chico went far enough into development to the point there was a location designated for his boss fight, which was in the Southern bit of the Africa map beyond the map limits, and a village designated "ChicoVil", likely meaning Chico Village, which was then moved and became Bwala ya Masa, the town where you fight Eli, and points at this unused soundtrack as his boss battle theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26wPzPRTUv0>approaching the location where Chico Village was makes the game crash since the game searches for the "chicoVil" asset but finds nothing, using a mod to bypass this reveals an empty void where the village was meant to be, pic related>the Kingdom of the Flies map is known as Fly Kingdom, had a size of 16x16 blocks, it's code suggests it was first meant to be mission 43 but then moved to mission 51, likely when they designated the mission as DLC>these files allowed modders to activate the Episode 51 cutscene within MGSV via Infinite Heaven, though in an empty void since the Fly Kingdom map is missing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iviRX0ZHXnM
>>750580761V
>>750597164What is intellectually dishonest and disingenuous about stating an objective fact?
>>750597191>leftovers of the missions used during E3 presentations>Man on Fire was supposed to become a usable buddy after extracting him>guard dogs, likely scrapped because they made sneaking excessively annoying>combat knife as a weapon>survival viewer, later reused in MG Survive>traces left of a coop feature, these were also left in the final game, modders managed to make it functional, though buggy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvePtu07XVY>extra audio lines, several tied to Paz, including one where Huey and Code Talker bizarrely sign together>strings designate the Truth tapes as hallucinations>leftover designation for boats and flyable vehicles>deeper Motherbase management, such as managing structural degradation, water filtration, and localized cleanup>deeper troop morale mechanics, including one where soldiers could betray Diamond Dogs if morale fell low enough>broken resource pointers to historical equipment that was cut late into production, including specialized active camo setups mimicking older Metal Gear Solid title items, tactical tracking gear for field buddies, and extended structural weapon-customization components that were ultimately condensed for the final retail launch>leftovers of a custom mission editor>Kaz and Ocelot costumes for D-Dog>leftover files pointing at 7 additional bionic arms>references to unseen cutscenes of Episode 51, seemingly implying the fight against Eli and Sahelanthropus would have several stages>for some reason the Jeep ride sequence with Skullface was already finished in late 2011, sequence could be one of the few remnants of MGSV's original plot
>>750597221the same thing that's intellectually dishonest and disingenuous about this very post
>>750597253Btw here's the link to MGSV's August 2015 build.https://hiddenpalace.org/Metal_Gear_Solid_V:_The_Phantom_Pain_(Aug_4,_2015_prototype)
>>750597281And what is that?
>>750581321Why does this kino image get posted every time people try to shit on 4? It literally just shows how fucking cool the game was
Fuck nanomachines.Fuck vocal cord parasites.Any story without that shit is automatically superior.
>>750597889nano machines are kino though
>too much story vs not enough storyboth are shit
They should have kept adult Chico in the game, it would have tied it to PW and GZ better than the Paz side quest which was optional and most people missed. Adult Chico mourning the death of Paz and becoming this edgekino character would have been awesome
One of the worst games ever made vs one of the best.
>>750584507mgs2 story is bettermgs3 is cheesy, but not bad. people hate the menus and the animations, but I love 'em
>>750584469Speaking of miller being based, you got a list of all his nicknames? I swear I saw it being posted here once.
>>750595325Hola Vic Voss
>>750598215Nah. Turning him into Raiden 2.0 would've been lame and creatively bankrupt. It is also kinda fucking dumb if everyone just somehow managed to survive that helicopter crash. Medic survived, Big Boss survived, Kaz survived, Mosquito survived. Only fucking Morpho died, I guess? It just feels cheap. Chico needed to go. He fucked up Peace Day by walking in on Paz sabotaging ZEKE. He was a fucking rat, he ratted out his compas in PW, he ratted out MSF in GZ, and in the end he betrayed Paz by talking and then by trying to save his own ass at her expense. Sure, he's just a kid, but I have a hard time having empathy for him, because this wasn't his first fuck up. He just makes me mad. It's better for him to go, to show that consequences are real, and to further establish that this is what happens when you let children become soldiers. He wanted to play a soldier, he didn't like being treated like a kid, and that's what you get. I didn't really want to see him again. Especially not over Paz, who is 10000x a more interesting and tragic character.Paz side quest was one of the best things in the entire MGS series, that final tape was kino of the highest order that hits you like a truck filled with nukes, and Kojima should've just made it mandatory and tied it into unlocking The Man Who Sold The World final mission.
>>750593989Did Fortune know that her dad was banging Vamp or was that up to the player to decide that?
>>750597889poisonous zanzibar hamsters?
>>750580761they are the best games. phantom pain being kino that kojima can't replicate anymore it seems
>>750599128physint will be his magnum opus
MGSV with GZ integrated is best MGS
>>750598920>>750598215Personally I wish Chico was kept because MGSV was lacking in genuine horror elements, and from the concept art and the files ingame since his boss fight was some horror themed shit, would have been cool.
>>750599847you're saying the devil house, the skulls or the parasite infection weren't enough?
>>750580761Metal Gear Solid 4 Guns Of The Patriots>Deeply personal and passionate movie game where 70% of it is a poorly told yet greatly choreographed and deeply emotional story that serves as a great and epic finale of the franchise. Barely any gameplay, despite said gameplay being a great and natural evolution of the series focused on tightly designed spy stealth actionMetal Gear Solid V The Phantom Pain>Incredibly corporate and derivative by the numbers Ubisoft open world slop. 90% of the entire game is a bloated, boring, tedious, brain cells killing sandbox busywork with bearly any story, zero level design, and menu managing simulator. The """"""""""story"""""""""" is a 15 minute long terribly written fanfic that destroys the entire canon and central characters of the entire franchise, all for the sake of being le subversive MGS4 is a 5/10, messy yet passionate piece of art and final act of the entire franchise. All the passion and heart in the world, and extremely lacking execution. MGSV is a 1/10 soulless, cynical, corporate product that doesn't feel, look, sound, or play like a Metal Gear game. It's designed to punch you in the face for being a stupid idiot and to waste as much of your life as humanly possible. We are talking about hundreds of hours wasted on this boring, repetitive, forgettable garbage
>>750600092Nope, Kojima really should have gone full PT in some missions.Even the intro was disappointing, wasn't nearly as tense as trailers suggested
>>750600267wrong, they are both 7/10
>>750582643Paz is a 34 year old adult woman
>>750600267>MGS4>deeply personal and emotionalI think a requirement to eat up Metal Gear's plot you need to not read any book ever.MGS' story is just non sensical ramblings about geopolitics and war from an autist who has no clue about geopolitics or war.
>>750600267>Deeply personal and passionate movie gamelmao what, Kojima didnt want to make it, he was basically forced by fans and just phoned it in> The """"""""""story"""""""""" is a 15 minute long terribly written fanfic that destroys the entire canonReally, changing MG1 so Big Boss is a body double destroys the canon, but making your goofy MGS3 Codec team the Patriots, and the ones responsable for literally EVERYTHING in MGS doesn't?
>>750592910This. It actually has more gameplay than MGS1's and MGS2's main campaign
>>750600267>Metal Gear Solid 4 Guns Of The Patriots>>Deeply personal and passionate>passionate piece of art>All the passion and heart in the worldnigga smoking monkey in diaperszesty nigga burpingcomic relief shitting guy shitting himself some more!lolLMAOso deep, so passionate>The """"""""""story"""""""""" is a 15 minute long terribly written fanfic that destroys the entire canon and central characters of the entire franchiseSee: >>750581321It's funny you should post Raiden in your retarded picture, because MGS4 Raiden is just a knee jerk reaction to peopel finding MGS2 Raiden lame and gay, so they turned him into ebin edgy cyborg ninja, and after ending MGS2 with him and Rose having a happy ending, they start the game with him being cucked by Campbell. Of course it's le pointless twist, but still. Fuck off retard, lmao. There is not one good thing about 4. It's a cynical, forced product, that was only made because Kojima received literal death threats.
>>750580761MGS4, its a movie centered on a terrible story that completely ruined the franchise.MGSV is strange, because what would make it a genuinely 10/10 would be removing MGSisms from it, mostly adding more scenarios and different gameplay scenarios, and making the story way darker and serious, removing shit like the dumb humor and goofyness, you know, like the trailers. But I think Kojima just isnt talented enough to pull that off.
>>750601516>making the story way darker and serious, removing shit like the dumb humor and goofynessmidwits pretending literally just their opinion man would make a qualitative difference will never cease to amaze me
>>750601664There's a reason everyone agrees MGSV's trailers painted a better picture than the final game. And apparently the original script was meant to be darker, since Diamond Dogs was meant to be a terrorist group attacking US interests around the globe, something like Outer Heaven rather than just MSF 2.0
>>7505807614 is the worst MGS mainline game but still worth playing mainly for the story and feels
>>750601828yea most people are midwits>the original scriptthere is no such thing
>>750601893The writer of MGSV's novelization says you are wrong
>>750580761V because the open world is lame and had significant ramifications for the rest of the game's design such as the level design and AI. It also lacks or nerfed the unique aspects an quirks of the series like the boss fights, alert system and codec. 4 is a little uneven but its still a real MGS game.
>>750580761MGS4 because its not even a videogame
>>7506002674 also has one of the most tearjerking endings in the history of vidya. The series' two protagonists, who hated each other, meet face to face one last time at the end of their lives, forgive one another, and embrace like father and son. Big Boss laments how much he wasted his life and destroyed the world and millions of lives through needless war started by a bunch of old fools, and tells Solid Snake to spend the little time he has left living as a human instead of fighting. You saw Solid Snake throughout the series as a cold badass, but here he is holding back tears while talking with a man who is the closest thing he has to an actual family, minutes before he dies, as he tells him about his wasted life and tells him not to waste his. Both "Father and son" and "Here's to you" are also some of the best tracks in the entire series and video games as a whole.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9Pu92St5O0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOVkYAxHvkkKojima lost his father at the age of 13, so writing this kind of scene must have been really rough for him. There's a reason why he hired Akio Otsuka's (Solid Snake's Japanese voice actor) father. Akio and his father weren't on speaking terms for years, so Kojima made them play the roles of "father" and "son" in a scene where they forgive one another so they could forgive each other in real life as well. Knowing this story makes the entire scene even more touching desu.
>>750599847>horror themed shitmore like shit themed horrori know kojima puts everything he watches/reads into his games but creepypastas are a bit much
Both were great. OP is a faggot.
>>750580761I play MGS5 free roam mode with everything unlocked and with Infinite Heaven mod installed. It's operator-kino to the highest degree. I even got AR-15 mods and set my rifle up like a GWOT era M4 and M16.
>>750602187>dude they both have hoodiesGreat argument
>>750601323You type like a one really angry nigger. Expected from an MGS4 hater.
I do not consider anything past 3 to be canon, Kojima should've fucked off from the series and do something else. Anything regarding Big Boss himself is tall tales and bullshit, even in 3. Solid Snake is the main protagonist, and did not die of old age.
>>750601516>But I think Kojima just isnt talented enough to pull that off.He pulled that off with Ground Zeroes quite successfully. There are a couple of excellent bits in Phantom Pain that resemble that, but yeah... Most of it was retarded.
mgs5 is worse because it has no guns
>>750580761MGSV is the only one worth playing, rest of the franchise is clunky shit with a story that makes COD campaigns seem plausible in comparison.
>>750602439Because GZ has nothing, its just a promise that maybe this dark tone will lead to something
>>750580761both 10/10
Vfags are embarrassing and not even fans of the series
>>750602065>4>gameLol.
>>750580761MGSV hits a very specific atmospheric purely diagetic schizoludokino vibe/aesthetic that's really hard to find anywhere else. Doing a UIless 90% (fuck getting the animals) Infinite Haven playthrough and trying to actually understand even the tiny subversions in the most overlooked mission lore through actual in-character action, plotting conspiracies that run all the way back to that mission where you save Miller and understanding the game's intention of depicting depersonalization and derealization through the facade of a military ops video game makes it, genuinely, one of the best experiences you can get in gaming. Other games wish they were THAT successful at being both high concept and highly replayable while marrying the end of the world and the beginning of the modern hellscape with a protagonist as broken as your usual human being today. I genuinely love MGSV way too much. I don't understand how a person goes from making something this good to developing Death fucking Stranding 2. I can only imagine this is another Fukushima situation.Also, I still can't believe they haven't put Paz in Bombergirl yet.
>>750600267
what was up with skull facewas he big boss too?
>>750602624>peak MGS gameplay mechanically with tons of weapons and items>hyper fast animations and controls with no walk or talk sequences (besides the microwave scene)>multiple difficulty levels with ranks and unlockablesSounds like a game to me>inb4 muh cutscenesSkip button is right there
>>750602730it's a shitty sandbox game where you do the same 2 things for 150 hours in an empty desert
Meanwhile PW>V
>>750580761>4 insists upon itself too much to where its bad>V doesnt insist upon itself at all to the point its bad
>>750603070PW on Fox Engine would've been so perfect. Combine small areas into Ground Zeroes sized areas, remove loading screens, bring back all the features like crawling and first person view, make AI more advanced, etc. Make Mother Base explorable but actually alive unlike in V, as described in Paz's diary, with events like fishing, futboll, birthday parties, etc.The only good parts of V were the ones that dealt with the aftermath and characters of PW.
>>750602562What's there to be fans of, the gameplay designed badly on purpose or the story that literally requires you to have no knowledge of war or geopolitics to not constantly giggle at how retarded it is?
>>750602929Stop making sense.
>>750603352I'll be honest, I wouldn't like MGSV to have been all GZ style levels since that would remove a good deal of linearity and risk turning the game into a discount Hitman or something. Not that I dislike Camp Omega but there the series always thrived from linear level design. Ideally there would be a mix of those GZ type levels and traditional linear locations.
>>750602929>skip cutscenes>a total of 1 hour of gameplsyMight as well just go play Splinter Cell Blacklist.
>>750603731>>750603352Ideally Kojipro would have gotten people experienced on open worlds, I'm sure Kojima could have pulled some contacts and bring Rockstar as a consultant
>>750580761V.>>750580842First post worst post what the fuck is wong with you.
>>750580761V was by creator admission, unfinished. Therefore V, because they asked for full price for half finished AND this came after a PAID DEMO ground zeroes used to pay for the completion of V. It was a fucking embarrassing mess of development. Whereas 4 has issues but solid gameplay, if a little underwhelming, and was packed with content and extras. 4 was at least a finished product, and I didn't have to pay for its demo...
>>750603906it's the worst MGS. I refuse to believe 4 is worse because anything can be worse of that shit
>>750603994>V was by creator admission, unfinishedSource?
>>750603994>was packed with content and extrasThe fuck?
I interviewed someone shortly after V came out and we ended up talking about it and he said it was the best MGS guy. I knew we shouldn't have hired him but other people wanted to, and he ended up being the worst person I've ever worked with (both in quality and personality)
>>750603352>PW on Fox Engine would've been so perfect. Peace Walker was stupidly easy, wouldnt fix the problem of being able to complete every mission in 90 seconds
>>750580761MGS4 had no gameplay and the story was so bad that not only it sucked, it also ruined the previous games.Plus if MGS4 hadn't turned the Patriots into those retards from MGS3, MGSV could have been centered on Big Boss' war with the USA, instead of being a soap opera between Big Boss and two literally whos.
>>750603994>4 was at least a finished productlmao imagine believing this shit
>>750580761MGSV was an unfinished game that I wish was finished.MGS4 was a finished game that I wish was unfinished.Oh well, at least mods are a thing and now I can rampage all over Camp Omega with the Battle Gear like Kojima intended
Huey did nothing wrong
>>750580761>Cutscenes the Movie vs Actual GameplayThe only bad part of PP is that it will NEVER EVER be complete.
>>750606163Soon.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iviRX0ZHXnM
MEDIC IS DEAD YOU WERE BIG BOSS THE ENTIRE TIME
>>750605016Did you not read the rest of the post?>Combine small areas into Ground Zeroes sized areas, remove loading screens, bring back all the features like crawling and first person view, make AI more advanced, etc.
>>750605197This. The whole Zero thing really pisses me off. It actively takes me out of the story whenever they mention this shit. It's so fucking random, such a terrible retcon, and it all happened completely off screen.
>>750593470I recognize this whore from somewhere but can't put my finger on it
>>750593501Bro didnt press the skip cutscene button.
>>750602451You were born yesterday. Your opinion on long running series like this one is completely irrelevant.
I want a mod that replaces Quiet with Paz, it should have a bunch of outfits, like Peace Walker schoolgirl outfit, Cipher outfit, Peace Walker bikini, and it should replace Quiet's shitty humming with Paz humming Love Deterrence and it would also be cool to have her reply to you with voice lines from Peace Walker when you give her commands. Can something like this be slop coded?
>>750580761I'm thinking Guns of the Patriots is a brilliant masterpiece after seeing how Starlink was shut off in Ukraine
>>7505807614, it's not even close. There's no comparison at all here. 4 was the biggest disappointment of my life.
>>750580761V4 has a stupid as fuck story but it's entertaining, V is just stupid. 4 has proper level design (somewhat), AI that accomodates that level design, no shitty motherbase bullshit, and better boss fights
you can grope women in 4 and that is a good feature.
>>750597253>deeper troop morale mechanics, including one where soldiers could betray Diamond Dogs if morale fell low enoughIt would be so cool if some of the soldiers staged a mutiny and you had to recapture Mother Based
>>750595412Return to Camp Omega was another part that didn't make the final cut.
>>750607324Kaz is racist.
V cured me of Kojima fanaticism
>>750580761Sitting back and watching my brother play it (he was the hardcore MGS fan. I had other shit I played) I liked watching him "Play" mgs 4. but the story of MGS5 sucks.MGS4 felt like it was a slightly distant future with some interesting technology and politics that didn't make me want to throw the fucking tv out the window.MGS5 story is a fucking mess. Honestly it feels like MGS5 takes place in the Deathstranding universe rather than the same timeline of MGS4.Just skip these games and play MGR.
