>>750574609HGSS are overrated dogshit and Johto is the worst pre-dexit region
HGSS are fucking awesome and Johto is the best pre-dexit region
That's not Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald.
>>750574679>That's a cute opinion. Did a YouTuber give it to you?
>>750574679>MUH LEVEL CUUUUUURVE
>>750574609>can’t grow berries at all>didn’t fix retarded level curve from originals>useful TMs behind Voltorb shit>match calling system still sucks ass>bafflingly locks regional dex mons to post-E4 areas>implements a Safari Zone so dogshit, it completely killed the conceptThe only thing I will praise HGSS for is the art direction. Everything else is meh or shit and it was much more boring to replay than BW2 and Platinum. Certainly not the “peak”
>>750574913its a completely valid complaint.
>>750574609That's a cute opinion. Did a YouTuber give it to you?
my favorite pokemon games are emerald, bw2 and ultra sun moon ;3
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>>750574609 I still have mine with the pokewalker and everything. Maybe I should sell it, they go for a couple hundred on ebay these days.
>>750575071the abundance of romhacks ruined emerald for me and usum is only good with the cutscene skip mod, but bw2 is great :D
>>750574938With all these recomps and AI mods I sure hope someone makes a definitive Gen 4 game that combines the best aspects of Platinum and HG/SS
>>750574679That's BW1>>750574938>>can’t grow berries at allFalse>>didn’t fix retarded level curve from originalsThe level curve is objective, however treating it as a flaw it's subjective.>>useful TMs behind Voltorb shitBlame EU>>match calling system still sucks assSubjective>>bafflingly locks regional dex mons to post-E4 areasAgain, it's objective as a fact, but subjective as a flaw.>>implements a Safari Zone so dogshit, it completely killed the conceptSubjective>The only thing I will praise HGSS for is the art direction. Everything else is meh or shit and it was much more boring to replay than BW2 and Platinum. Certainly not the “peak”That's a fair opinion, but don't present it as a fact, because it isn't.
>>750574609I just started playing pokemon, with my first one being legend arceus and I'm currently playing SS after finishing firered and i don't see why people praise it so much. It's the exact same shit.If anything all pokemon games are the exact same shit, i don't see how you can even grade them at all. At least arceus tried something different.
>>750574938>useful TMs behind Voltorb shitImagine playing the non-Japanese release.
>>750574679This. HGSS was only liked because it had following Pokemon for years
>>750576030Origin HeartGold is a good one
>>750576496that's a projection
>>750576238>haha those opinions are only opinionsYou have to be 18 to post here
>>750576764The point is, to define something as a flaw, you have to establish criteria. You can't just say "it's objectively bad" without specifying compared to what criterion. For instance, arguing that the level curve is bad requires defining what makes it bad, using a criterion that can be applied equally to all Pokémon games. If, for example, we use the criterion "compared to the average of other games, Johto takes significantly more time", then it is consistent, and you can say whether Johto objectively fails according to that criterion or not. Or even saying "Gym Leaders use Kanto Pokémon" is a fact, but for it to be a flaw presupposes that Gym Leaders ought to use new Pokémon, which is a relatable preference, but not universal. Saying "HGSS didn't fix the flaws" also implies that Game Freak considered them flaws in the first place.
>>750577331>AI replyYou have to be 18 to post here
>>750574609I'm still pissed I lost my pokewalker back when I was a kid a few month after the release of the game. I'm fairly certain there was even a Pokemon in it...I wonder if anyone took it for themselves and took care of it...
Here's the actual peak of pokemon
>>750577384>Commenting just a tiny bit above standards this latrine = AIOk
>>750577458I found my pokewalker last year and then turned around and sold it with the game/box for like 350 bucks. I'll just emulate if I ever want to play again.
>>750577713>ESL replyI'm about to get BINGO
>>750577854Take this frog for your bingo.
>>750574609Why did they re release Fire Red and Leaf Green instead of these
>>750577949they are scared to port DS games
>>750574609SoulSilver finally made me realize these games are pretty dull once letting go of nostalgia
>>750578014Why?
>>750577653>Instead of going on a journey with your pals, exploring new areas and catching new pokemon, you just grind in the same place minmaxxing your autistically EC-trained setupYeah thats a pass. Played through Emerald with Oddish as my main and it was by far the best Pokemon experience I've ever had
>>750577653They really should have a Battle Frontier facility with multiple challenges in every Pokémon game. I haven't played the newer ones, I heard there's something called Battle Maison but idk how it compares.
>>750578195>Battle Maisonit's basically the battle tower of its gen, same for the battle subway
>>750577949It's easy to just release a GBA rom, it takes more effort to do the same for DS games. That being said, surely Pokémon could afford to get someone to port the DS games to Switch like they've been doing with Castlevania and Mega Man.
>>750577653>battle factoryThis was the only frontier facility I ever played much because I didn't know about all the esoteric competitive mechanics that you need to spend hours grinding on.
>the actual peak of Pokemon
>>750578274That's cool and all, but I'd rather have the battle factory if nothing else. Though as a post game challenge with your mons, that's probably nice to have.
>>750574609I don't care for it. Maybe because I mostly skipped over gen 4 while it was new. In returning to it, it doesn't do enough to change from the original gen 2 games, adds in a bunch of unnecessary padding to bring it in line with a typical Pokemon story, and I think Lyra is ugly.
i cannot force myself to continue hgss after reaching ecruteak, tried multiple times the game just falls apart at that point and feels aimless. i've always been able to finish crystal playthroughs though
>>750578508Yeah, we went from 7 facilities in Emerald, to 5 in Platinum, to basically 1 in later games.BW2 has something similar tho, in the rental PWT tournament, and USUM did something with battle agency, but it sucks
>>750576754That's a fact from the Youtube comments and forums in 2009
>>750574679Awww who's are little contrarian!You are yes you are!
>>750574679truthnuke
>>750578727that's usually where i restart as well. i love early G/S/C/HG/SS but it falls apart after goldenrod
>>750575315I'm thinking of doing the same then replacing it with a Japanese copy. That way I'll still have it but for way way cheaper.
>>750576527Easily the best gen 4 game and on par with polished crystal and soulgold. Once the update comes out, it's going to become an instant classic.
>>750578483Even common and uncommon cards from this set are like $3-$5 now, what a disaster to the hobby.Base Set Charizards went from playground $50-sub $100 to like $250 max during the early 2000s.
>>750575071Actually pretty based opinion.
>>750578460Same, but also because I transferred all my strong Pokemon to newer games and had no level 100 mons that I was confident in to tackle any other facilities.
the last pokemon game I played was diamond / pearl. I'm 38 years old. Even back when Diamond / Pearl came out I felt too old to be playing pokemon.
>>750574679holy trvke
Childhood is likeing remakes. Adulthood is recognizing the orginals had more soul
>>750574938>>can’t grow berries at allInto the fucking trash. If you don't know anything about a game's features then don't comment on the game.
>>750583523Except heartgold has a shit ton of soul so that doesn’t really apply
>>750583645Crystal is where it's at
The peak of Pokemon
>>750583704>fake death endingdropped.
>>750574679>muh level curve>doesn't realise people used to play these games for longer than 1 or 2 sessions
>>750583695I’ll concede that visually, Gen 2 is more soul. HGSS wins out because they jam packed so much shit into it, that game is like CTRNF, both are stuffed to the brim with new content
>>750578483This actually just makes me sad. My brothers and I used to collect cards as kids, probably the only thing we could agree on. My son then suddenly shows interest in Pokemon, particularly Charizard, which surprised me since I never really bothered exposing him to that. Then i discover that he only really "likes" it because he's been watching some videos about how these cards are worth millions or whatever. Then I find out how prices for these cards are jacked up to fuck.
>>750583758actual trvke. explorers of time and darkness are better because of this
>>750574940If it's a valid complaint why don't you believe the 3D games are better than the 2D ones overall due to having much faster leveling through the exp share?
i see the gen poo fans are delicate on /v/ too
>>750583864The only worthwhile new content is the copy pasted Battle Frontier from Platinum. Everything else is baby minigames like Pokeathlon or designed to waste even more of your time like the worst Safari Zone in the series and the stupid shiny leaf garbage
>>750585256>Everything else is baby minigames like Pokeathlon"I don't like it therefore it's bad"I hate this place
>>750585537>i'm a retarded toddler everyone should be like mehate johtoniggers like you
>>750574609true and facts
>>750585604100%ing Pokeathlon requires like 30 hours, the same time to complete the entirety of empty garbage like BW1 or XY
>>750585537>it's good because I'm a contrarian faggotI bet I could dangle some keys in front of a Johtofag and they'd defend it as kino gameplay
>>750574813This, those games are when Pokemon legitimately became epic without going overboard.
>>750585723Contrarians are the johto haters, tho
>>750585716>15 hours of mindnumbing repetitive gameplay only retards find funNo thanks
>>750585779Normalfags barely remember Johto at all. The contrarians are the same 2 trannies defending it here and on /vp/ all day and seething relentlessly about it.
>>750585537Based. Pokeathlon had a lot of fun minigames, the Stamina course especially had all the gigachad events with the Sumo Ring, Relay Run, and Block Smash. You got some nice rewards from it too.
>HGSS are overrated dogshit and Johto is the worst pre-dexit region
crystal peakedfuck everything else
>>750585964whatever helps you sleep at night
>>750578483Kill gambling addictsBehead gambling addictsSlam dunk a gambling addict baby into a trash can
>>750585604>>750585723>short and sweet minigames>simple, easy to understand stat system >doesn't require autistic stat grinding to win at and can use your in game team effectively>available early in the game>gives out genuinely good items>doesn't require hours of point grinding to buy itemsName a better minigame mode.You fucking can't
>>750575071>ultra sun moon>ultraRemember what they took from you
>>750583695HGSS genuinely fleshes out gen 2 and gives it more life.
>>750574609I wish I still had my Pokéwalker and original case.
>>750587028also it makes Sunkern useful, so it's based af.
>>750578483>>750583318>>750584002Nostalgia is a HELLUVA DRUG.
>>750586660>one review from some retardlol>>750587028>stupid grindy shit made for babiesloljohtoniggers are so retarded
>>750583786i don't see how playing the game over the span of a week changes the part where your level 30 mons completely steamroll through hours and hours of level 18 unevolved shitmons and rocket grunts 6 badges into the game
>>750586434Why are you talking to yourself?
>>750585537>>750586434Who fucking cares that's not pokemon
>>750588212Bodied those freaks. I hate grindy bullshit, that's why only Gen 6 and beyond are good games.
>>750588416based. i have more respect for those who like the current games than those who seethe and moan about their childhood slop for 20 years
>>750574679Fp retard post
I was at university when it came out and literally everyone was playing it. Just wall to wall people on their DS on release week. I went around smashing people's regular in game teams with a metafag squad I'd transfered over from Platinum. You are not permitted to have fun. Get swept by DD Gyarados idiot.
>>750588498Your samefaggotry is so obvious>>750588514Normalretards don't understand how to play Pokemon other than basic type matchups, especially not during the DS era
If that kusoge is the peak then no wonder why Palworld is better.
>>750588695Rimworld for retards fag getting too cocky again.
>>750576376There is almost absolutely nothing redeemable about pokemon at all. There are some cute designs, but even that is vastly outweighed by garbage. The graphics are comically terrible, the gameplay is abhorrently outdated and mediocre, the stories are so mind-boggling boring it would be an improvement if they didn't exist at all, its riddled with bugs, the performance is embarrassing. It is a franchise that exists purely because of nostalgia made by incompetent developers who fucking despise it with every fiber of their being. I am fully convinced pokemon's success is due entirely to some kind of faustian deal of the same sort that made MLP popular. It is genuinely unfathomable to me how a franchise can make such blatantly horrible games for so long and still be the most profitable franchise in the world. I am very bitter. I interact with the franchise purely through fanfiction and porn and I am still disgusted with myself for being influenced by something so terrible.
>>750588356It's pokemon. I hate pokemon games without side content like BW1 shit. Battles are fun but having only battles sucks. I ACTUALLY want to play with my pokemons, even the NFE ones, that became useless after a while.You can do it in Gen 3 and in 4 and in BW2. you can't do it in garbage BW1 and Gen 6+ (Pokemon amie doesn't count, it's boring and empty)
>>750589293If the game were bad they wouldn't sell.
>>750589412
>>750589412They don't sell very much. Most of the profit comes from the overpriced merch and cards
>>750589293Pokemon (earlier gens) is actually one of the best JRPGs out there.>The graphics are comically terribleThey are relatively weak for the system they're in, not bad (and i mean gens 1-5)> the gameplay is abhorrently outdated and mediocreThe combat is probably the deepest in the genre, enjoy shit like Ultima spam in FFVI> the stories are so mind-boggling boring it would be an improvement if they didn't exist at all> the stories are so mind-boggling boring it would be an improvement if they didn't exist at all,Even Xenogears story is dogshit, why should i care about the story in a videogame.I'd take the Battle Frontier over most of JRPGs any day.
>>750589509>The combat is probably the deepest in the genreThe problem here is most people take the main campaign at face value and believe that's what Pokemon battling is. Then if you actually want to build a competent team, the earlier games make it as obtuse and grindy as possible
>>750589509I was referring to games past gen 5 mostly, though even by then the franchise was showing its age a bit. The earlier games are obviously a product of their time, though they really should have leaned into the creative stuff they could have done with double battles and such. The combat can be as deep as it wants but none of that matters if the average player doesnt need to interact with that depth in the slightest to beat the game.
>>750588994Palworld is perfectly operational meanwhile pokemon unity and pokebank are closing.Curious isn't it?
>>750589869>1 random tencent spinoff and 20 year old service that has already been replaced are closingwow sure showed them
>>750589948Pokemon is dying in real time bro.
>>7505899862 more weeks?
>>750589681I completely agree with you on this, before Gen 6 breeding Pokémon is an absolute nightmare. But pragmatically speaking, today with modern tools it takes 5 minutes to gen mons in Emerald, whereas you can't "gen" a Battle Frontier into the newer games where it doesn't exist.>>750589694Overall I agree, it’s a fair criticism that the main campaign doesn’t show the battle system’s full potential. But the BF is still in the game, and that’s a feature you can’t take for granted in this genre.
>>750590014Actually once Roco Kingdom releases.You do know why unity closed, right?
>>750590151>no release datecurious...
>>750590209Roco Kingdom will rape and gape pokemon, get ready.
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>>750590271just like palworld and aniimo right? l m a o
>>750589694This is true. I really wish they'd add an "expert mode" or something that makes the games more properly challenging by giving bosses actual threatening teams that can actually beat you even if you have a type advantage, implementing some measures to keep you from getting free full heals in between each fight, and making it harder to over-level (not impossible, just make it less appealing than strategizing).>>750590038I appreciate things like the Battle Frontier that can put your skills to the test, but I'd still prefer the base game not be piss easy. The other problem is how in order to engage with stuff like the Battle Frontier you have to either gen in pokemon with perfect stats, or grind for an eternity for a viable build.This is a problem I have with a lot of jrpgs, that the core difficulty is removed and relegated to a tiny corner of the game with stuff like superbosses and in order to even engage with them you need to max out every party member's level. In pokemon it's even worse because of the IV system, abilities and natures, which are baked into your pokemon from birth. Thankfully they've made it slightly less tedious to get competitive pokemon over the years (you can pay to max out the IVs of any level 100 pokemon, for example, and they've added ways to change nature) but it still takes a long grind, and the worst part is there's very little to go off in-game, so there's another barrier in the form of having to look up how it works.
>>750590319I actually don't think you are ready not after how shit wiwa is looking, enjoy your rotom scooter tho, meanwhile palGODS and RocoCHADS can actually ride their monsters.
>>750590453I don't need to ride them because my Gardevoir rides me :^)
>>750584002Just buy new product? Don't need to go for alpha set cards if they are for your kid.
>>750589869>Hey You, Pikachu is no longer available for purchaseIt's over.... Pokemon has fallen
>>750590493She only rides PalGODs because they can use sex mods.
>>750574609>the same game as RGBY and every other pokemon game>but it's peak because...
>>750589486Why does /v/ act like this? You can hate pokemon but you need to be actually retarded to say "they don't sell", you don't need to pretend the giant mega corpo auto system seller is actually "not that big" because you don't like them.
>>750590806Palworld sold more than any of those.
>>750590806yeah but have you considered those numbers don't matter at all because the numbers for plushies are much bigger? they may as well be zero.
>>750590564Not quite the point. Call it autism but him liking the cards because of their monetary value and that alone is what disappoints me.
>>750574679no cap fr
>>750590806lmao retard
>>750591153I accept your concession.
>>750591041Creatures legit made ten billion dollars in revenue with fucking cardboard, what the hell.
>>750589869>pokebank are closing.Why?
>>750591662Because Palworld killed it.
>>750591662same reason gigacorps close anything downmaintaining it costs more than its bringing in
>>750591662We have HOME now.
>>750574609All these years later I wear a watch that counts my steps for me. Someone in Gamefreak was ahead of their time with the step counter.
hgss is cringe because your pokemon doesn't stay in its ball
>>750574609Never found the games enjoyable. Tried playing soul silver in 2019 and I just couldn't get into it. I gave up 5 hours in.Am I just not autistic? How do people find this enjoyable?
>>750592038there must be something wrong with you because the entire planet loves pokemon except for you
>>750590441There's a difference compared to other JRPGs, though. It's true that there's a lot of grinding in both cases, but in traditional JRPGs, grinding enough often lets you bypass the superboss without needing much of a strategy (even though it varies from boss to boss, like Ozma in FF9). Pokémon, on the other hand, caps your levels and bans items. So the challenge is fairer (setting aside the AI hitting Sheer Cold three times in a row)
>>750592038That's because you played soul silver which is trash.
>>750588270You also just described RSE with Emerald being the absolute worst example of this
>>750592285what's a good starting point then?
>>750592324Heart Gold
>>750592353
>>750592324One of the Kanto games
>>750574679You probably enjoy modern pokemon trash, your opinion is worthless
>>750574609$40 for all this btw
>>750576376you played the worst games lmao
>>750589293>the gameplay is abhorrently outdated and mediocreEveryone that says this always turns out to be a brainlet that just hates turn based gameplay. Very fitting Unova related image too, only Unovafags sniff their own farts this hard.
>>750589293play pvp shitter your favorite JRPG has worse combat and requires less strategic thinking
>>750578483Holy shit, i WANT those packages!
>>750574679>HGSS are overrated dogshitcorrect>Johto is the worst pre-dexit regionno, that's still unova
>>750578303>BN and SF has online >FRLG is local only Cheap ass motherfuckers
>>750596172it's called minimum effort, and if you're not abiding by it, you have no place at game freak
>>750595875pokémon pvp is worse than fighting games with all the bullshit knowledge you have to memorize, and after all that it's not even that fun
>>750590806>>750591250Lmao retardThe games are just there to reveal the new Pokemon and humans to make merch and cards out of
>>750574679>implyingKalos and alola are both complete fucking trash and I don't even like johto
>>750596632Kalos and Alola are great actually. The games that feature them have tons of issues but the regions themselves are very scenic.
