you had to level every pokemon individually for most of the game until you got xp share because people didn't have shit to do back then
oh no! your party needs to experience battle to gain battle experience? the horror!
>>750565884I need to play the game? With my favorite pokemons?? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
levelling a level 5 Magikarp up to 20 sure was an experience
>>750565884>because people didn't have shit to do back thenas opposed to now when people have to scroll twitter and tiktok so they can stay up to date on the latest e-drama?
>>750565884There's literally nothing wrong with being underleveled
there was much more to do back when pokemon came out.
>>750565937When you have other things competing for your attention? Yes it's a massive downside
>>750565884>classic pokemon >posts a remake I'm getting to old of this shit.
>finishing the entire game without being able to speak english or look it up onlineFuck that guard and his tea.
>>750565884Why would you level every pokemon?If you want to beat the game the best way to play is to funnel all of your exp into your starter and overwhelm every gym with sheer stats, you can overcome any type disadvantage by pumping your poke full of X Specials
>>750566282until you get to Whitney's fucking Miltank as a dumbass kid
Zoomers getting filtered by pokemon of all things is hilarious.
You ain't got shit to do now either.Ywn catch upYwn experience the golden ageQuick gotta get back to scrolling tiktok
If you aren't willing to raise your pokemon with love and care, then you don't deserve them at their strongest.
>Pick bulbasaur in FRLG>You're stuck with an actual useless mon and have to catch and level literally anything else if you want to actually play the game past the first few gymsWhat the fuck were they thinking with that moveset?
>>750565884>IT HAS TO RESPECT MY TIME OKAAAAAAAY!!!
>>750565884>Playing a game? We don't do that here
>>750565884It should still only level up the pokemon you use in battles, but all (or at least most) battles should be doubles format and XP gain should be MUCH quicker, however you are level capped by badges. This also means gym fights can be balanced around that level cap, re-introducing tougher gym leaders. For early gyms there would also be a gimmick that forces you into doing a questline. It can be as simple as 'gym leader X had a pokemon that has an impenetrable exo-skeleton; to break through it, you need to explore nearby cave/mountain/forest and capture the elusive Y pokemon that carries a item of exo-skeleton penetration'.The pokemon you capture would also be super effective against the gym but would be a lower level so you would have to train it up if you want to use it long-term. This teaches items, encourages capturing pokemon, and shows how type advantage can make a big difference. All of that while allowing the gym leaders to actually be challenging while having a clear weakness that you are encouraged to exploit.Latter half gym leaders would cover over type weaknesses, would not have a nearby counter pokemon for you to catch, and would out-level you; requiring you to come up with a good team comp and figure out their weaknesses (it wouldn't be as simple as just types in the end game; you would need to utilise trick-room or drizzle or shield breaking moves like psychic fangs to mess up their style).Then when people end up playing ranked pvp they wouldn't be confused and terrible.
>>750567868you are retarded its the strongest starter by far.
>>750567868What? It absolutely shits on the first 2 gyms and resists the 2 afterwards.
>>750565884
>>750568009>Just stall and make the game slower bro
>>750568051Reading comprehension
>Gen 1MissingNo glitch gives you infinite rare candies~!>Gen 2Cloning glitch gives you infinite rare candies~!>Gen 3Emerald's Battle Tower cloning glitch gives you infinite rare candies~!>Gen 4Emerald's Battle Tower cloning glitch gives you infinite rare candies~! Just send them up via the Pal Park.>Gen 5You can farm infinite rare candies at the stadiums in Nimbasa City~!
>>750568051That is a turd moveset, and most mons that you fight in these games are immune to poison or sleep powder
>>750568090????
>>750568128Nigger you said it's useless out of the three, sleep and leech flat out make it fine.>B-b-but stall is slowShut the fuck up faggot, you need to catch something immediately for Charmander who is actually worse, because metal claw vs brocks rock types is actually worse than ember - and he has rock tomb.>>750568198Anon in Gen 3, nothing is immune to sleep powder outside of Insomnia or Vital Spirit abilties and only poison, steel and Immunity are immune to poison powder
>>750565884The game is already easy, but it's significantly easier if you just use one pokemon to sweep everything.
>>750565884And the rom hacks for it are better than modern pokeslop>>750566487Yeah, I recall many frustrated hours as a stupid kid literally getting rolled by a tit monsterWhat a time to be alive
It's not even an age thing. Most rpgs have always leveled the whole party or had multiple party members participate in battle to earn XP. Pokemon just sucked in this regard. SMT is the better monster catchan game because it's designed around demons being replaceable. When you catch something it already has a somewhat complete kit and if it's a shitmon you throw it into the blender and get something cooler. You don't need to catch something and do the whole menu switch thing like 50 times before it's useful.
>>750566487Didn't you just get the machop like everyone else with a brain?
>>750568267Razor leaf is your strongest attack for half the game, most mons that you fight in Kanto are flying and grass or even poison types>Just use TMs?>Wasting TMs on a shitmon
I played with shitmons (Beedrill made it to the E4 before having to be swapped out) and had to grind to level 50, shit sucked
works on my machine
Bulbasaurfags were probably abused as kids. It's the only explanation.
>>750568385this is all wrong
>>750568445I don't think I could ever shiny hunt in gen 3. I would lose my mind.
>>750567868Nigga wut? The entire game kneels to sleep powder + leech seed before it even evolves.
>>750566286Fucking zoomers.
>>750568561I have already lost it years ago.
>>750568565Yes, but that is really slow and I'm sure whoever does this plays on an amulator at x10 speed.
>>750568494I'm pretty sure he's only saying that because Charmander eventually gets access to Flamethrower and Squirtle gets access to Hydro Pump.Bulbasaur does get Solarbeam but you gotta set up Sunny Day for it.
>>750568628Take your adderall.
>>750568656x10 speed.
>>750568198>immune to sleep powderOnly the Mankey and Drowzee lines. You can sleep grass types in these games.
>>750568656leech seed has a base PP of 10 and is incredibly slow, faggot. not efficient, you suck
>>750568730to be fair you encounter a million drowzees, or at least that's what I remember
>>750565884In what universe is FireRed "classic pokemon"?
>>750568834It's 22 years old.
>>750568834Anon, it's 22 years old...
>>7505688341990 was 60 years ago
1997 was 30 years ago.
>>750568953>gen 5 is now as old as gen 1 was when gen 5 came out
>>750565884Look, there are legitimate reasons to think the original Pokemon games weren't that good, even by the standards of the time. But needing to level up your Pokemon individually isn't one of them. The whole point is letting yourself get attached to your Pokemon as you make them better and better. Not knowing which moves they learn as they grow, not knowing what they evolve into. Figuring out what you want to use them for as their role in your party develops.Of course, these games have been documented to Hell and back, and their own perpetual media frenzy makes it almost impossible to go in blind, which has killed a lot of the fun that comes naturally, leaving only what players can claw back for themselves by obsessing over optimization.
>>750568834>pokemon red and blue came out 1996>pokemon fire red and leaf green came out 2004>current year is 2026gen 10 is about to come out so it's safe to say that gen 3 is considered classic pokemon
>>750568871>>750568889Is being 22 years old the official criteria for being considered classic pokemon? Will X&Y become classic pokemon in 2035?
>>750569168>is a thing becoming older the criteria for being considered as classic?Yes? Are you a fucking retard?
>>750569168Something is labeled as classic when it's 20 to 25 years old. So yes. You grew old, my friend.
>>750565884in the TV ads for this game they showed kids having holographic pokemon battles with the wireless adapter and i thought it was actually real
>>750569209>>750569226So to you, the term classic is simply a matter of age alone, disregarding any and all other qualifications? Interesting how language functions in the plebeian goy mind.
Blastoise has to be one of the shittiest starters I have ever used in-game. Fat fuck has surf and ice beam, but never kills the target and offers no utility like sleep or para. He is a glorified raft for your Nidoking.>"But Meganium is even weaker"Chikorita had goddamn early reflect and Bayleef had synthesis + body slam. The line was nearly unkillable at the time despite being a grass type in a region where everything had a type advantage over it. Meanwhile the Treecko line did fuck-all and die constantly until the Grovyle learned leaf blade halfway through the game, possibly even slightly later if you had a large, balanced team.
>>750565884fuck no it didn't, and the series became a slop factory too
>>750569573>So to you, the term classic is simply a matter of age alone, disregarding any and all other qualifications? Interesting how language functions in the plebeian goy mind.Yeah, okay retard.
>>750568387>Jolteon>baddon't you dare talk about my pooch like that
>>750565884Dumb brainrotted ADHD zoomer
>>750569573Yes, It's really not that deep you memelord
>>750568387>Jolteon is a shitmon>Not Flareon
>>750569625Blastoise has bite, which is only 60 power but it's broken in gen 3 because it makes everything flinch almost all the time. It's also special in gen 3 so blastoise BLASTS with it.
>>750568387Jolteon and Dugtrio were top tier in gen 3 and Parasect can abuse spore. Shitmons are stuff like Beedrill, Farfetch'd and Seaking.
>>750569573Oh ok so nothing is classic because at the time of release it was new?
>>750568387>Dugtrio>bad>can be caught at level 29 before your second badge>easily overpowers everything for the rest of the first half of the game with very little effort>STAB dig and magnitude>can be taught rock slide for coverage>one of the few silver bullets against FAT RETARD's AlakazamKanto Duggy puts in serious work
>>750570051A non-STAB, 30% flinch rate move on a mon with only 78 base speed and 85 special attack. No amount of sarcasm can save obese Leonardo
>>750570212not him but obviously he means it's about not just numerical age but also a qualitative dimension that meaningfully distinguishes it from later iterations(in which case FRLG is classic pokemon because it's essentially the same game)
No wonder people like Charizard so much. It's the only good starter in both the original and the remake
>>750568305>because metal claw vs brocks rock types is actually worse than emberThe rest of your post is right but I really want to know where this meme came from. >Metal claw 50*2=100 BP coming off 52 base attack AND can raise attackVs>Embers 40*1.5/2=30 BP 45 BP in blaze range >B-but rock types have high defense!Doesn't make up the difference until they have used defense curl twice. Put it in a calc if you don't believe me. Also your probably going to have way more attack EVs by this point than Sp Atk EVs so that's even more credit to metal claw
>>750568776You don't and unless your juggernauting you should switch anyway
>>750570592Squirtle is by far the best starter for an in game playthrough
I never get to talk about pokemon here since I just get told to go back to /vp/what's your dream team?https://richi3f.github.io/pokemon-team-planner/plan/#home
>>750570592charizard sucks ass
>>750565884These games are extremely easy to exploit in dozens of ways, you can be 5 or even 10 levels beneath your opponents and win with ease. You feel a compulsion to match the enemy's level because you have autism.
>>750570592I really dislike Venusaur for a playthrough run but for endgame it clears the other 2 starters. It has access to EQ and Sludge Bomb.
party wide exp share is fucking retarded and ruins all the satisfaction out of leveling up your party legitimately. the exp share item you put on one pokemon is more than enough on its own.
>>750565884Actually, having played it again now on my Switch Lite, it kind of reignited my passion for slower gaming. I can actually get through some jrpgs now.
>>750570379And yet despite being middle of the road for a water type it's still much better than saur and zard by virtue of being a gen 1 water type with access to surf+beam>B-but it doesn't one shotIrrelevant since you arent dying. There is a reason Squirtle was used for speedtrooning before nidokang was found to be THE campaign mon in gen 1 and Blastoise is still the king in FrLg
>>750570592Zard was legitimately terrible until it started getting gimmicks then it became an overturned mess
>>750570939What part of "If you have to switch, your pokemon loses" do you not understand?This is why Charizard is the best starter. It almost never has to switch when anything that can't be brought down with fire spam is easily KO'd by scratch and slash. You just choose an attack, KO the pokemon, and move onto the next one next turn. Even normies get it, which is part of why they love Charizard so much. The fire breathing dragon actually kills shit.
Remakes aren’t classic
>>750566286>When you have other things competing for your attentionRight, because before 2010 the world was a flat grey place where you had nothing but endless sees of time and no one did anything other than focus on 1 thing.How mentally broken are you?
>>750571205Charizard isn't the best starter and get ROCKED far harder than Venusaur gets gotIrrelevant since the best started in FrLg is Blastoise
>>750571205>anything that can't be brought down with fire spam is easily KO'd by scratchFuckin lol. This you? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eZQtia9ZyyQ
>>750570503More accurate to say that FRLG is a modernized adaptation of classic Pokémon. You surely wouldn't call Christopher Nolan's "the Odyssey" a classic simply because it adapts a classical foundational work by the same name, right?
>bro after you power grind for the first 20% of the game it's easy>Blastoise casually cruising to the end with minimal effort Zardfaga forever in shambles
>>750568387>arcanine, blastoise, dugtrio, parasect and jolteon>shitmonsliterally all competitively viable and top of their class for that gen
>>750566286hey dumbfuck, EVERY MOMENT IN YOUR LIFE HAS OTHER THINGS COMEPTING FOR YOUR ATTENTION
>>750571605Dugtrio is only comp because of arena trap. It sucks dick for campaign since they don't switch 99% of the time. Paras is giga shit in comp in zu retard
>>750568174You can get infinite Nuggets right before Misty in FRLG. They forgot to set the flag for getting the Nugget until after the Rocket battle, so you can battle him, lose, and get another.
>>750571765Infinite money is pretty useless though. Sure you can buy more potions and xitems but that isn't really going to help you clear the game since the game gives you plenty
>>750571714>bulky spore user>shit in complarpniggers are everywhere these days
>>750571837You save them until you're at the Game Corner, then you can outright buy all of the prizes there.
>>750571849>Parasect>BulkyLEL no. It's shit in comp retard. It has been in the bottom tier in every gen since gen 1
>>750571867You can probably grind out coins faster with the rigged machine faster than you can kill yourself 30 times to get the nuggets required to buy what you want
>>750571183There was a time when people claimed Typhlosion and Houndoom were the best fire types in the game because they could hit water types hard with thunder punch and STAB crunch. The days when people bragged about their salac berry + swords dance Blaziken that had never once seen a sand stream in its life.Twenty years have passed, and the flying typing everyone once made fun of twenty years ago is now the very reason Charizard fights for the top fire type of gen 3 with fellow fire/flying Moltres.
>>750572004Losing 30 times is pretty fast, just bring some route 1 fodder as your only mon.
>>750569168XY has more in common with modern games than the actual classics, so no.At best, it'll be retro, but never classic.
>>750572012Forgot pic because the new image filter is gay
>>750568565>Learning non damage moves for your mons in single player Lmao wat what's the point when everything does I'm 1-2 hits anyway
>>750570773No you're right - I guess it just depends on if you're fishing for an attack raise or a burn before Rock Tomb gets you.
>>750572012Pre gimmicks (gen 6) zard >NU UUBL OU NU NUSaur>PU UUBL UUBL UU OUBlastoise>NU UU UU UU UUPregimmicks zard had 1 standout generation and other than that did about as good as Blastoise or worse. Venusaur has been far better on average before gimmicks
>>750565884I watched a few people play this for the first time recently and they loved it. I don't think it's a perfect game, but the series hasn't had net improvements, they've fundamentally altered their target audience to girls and sweaty bugmen.
I used to hate the EXP share affecting the whole team but it actually makes it possible to use more than 6 Pokemon throughout the game and that's pretty cool.
>>750565884You rotate them out when a pokemon starts getting above the level curve or level them all evenly. I don’t see the problem. If anything the problem with modern games is that the exp share is forced and the games aren’t balanced for it.
>>750572391are you having a stroke
>>750572391A single OU that is earned without an ability gimmick like Venusaur or Blaziken's is worth more than nine UUs. Speaking of Venusaur>drought + chlorophyll bannedThe only reason Venusaur wasn't immediately demoted was to preserve BW2 UU's metagame knowing fully that, even with overgrow, Venusaur was a top staple of DPP UU and would warp the entire BW2 UU metagame.
>>750572830>Conversation about competitive pokemon>All terms someone who knows comp would knowJust say you don't know what's going on and ask specific questions retard. Unless your actually concerned for my well being then no I'm doing fine
>>750567987>level cappedStopped reading there.There is zero point to a leveling progression system if you’re going to ignore it.You literally just test your game based on player grinding habits and figure out the how much easily accessible exp you will give the player.You do not remove the choice of grinding either you simply make it harder.Its not rewarding otherwise
>>750565884I know i beat it reacentlyI loved using Starmies tho, Misty's team is OPThis game is literally only hard on Brock then maybe Misty can filter you if you didnt catch a Clafairy or whatever can use Mega Kick but after that its smooth sailing. It's hyper easy.Too many monotypes. It's hyper unbalanced.Its not even worth it having a flying type until Dudrio tbqh or that Farfetch trade to use Fly.You absolutely need a water pokemon or one of those OP surf users like the Nidos or Snorlax.The game gives you 2 Snorlaxes... 1 Lapras.Which are insanely tanky in this kind of game.
Niggers pooping on niggers pooping on niggers I have sex with blonde women to raise my own aryan army to fix diesel engines
>>750572923>A single OU that is earned without an ability gimmick like Venusaur or Blaziken's is worth more than nine UUsAbsolutely not. Especially considering zard got one too and couldn't keep up. It took 15 years of people trying zard to get it to work on ADV
>>750572927> Thread about exp share> Through a bunch of random acronyms that you expected everyone to know > Throw a fit when someone points out that your post looks funny if you try and read it
>>750573073Did you try reading the post it was responding to?
>>750573064thats gr8 I h8 blackshttps://youtu.be/CedcOzCpC_E?si=ZJUHxR0Nu-PdKDQi&t=599
@grok edit this pokemon fire red rom to have a level 100 party of the following pokemon:
>>750572984Soft caps are the best way to do it. Either with disobedience or slower exp gain.
>>750573214Aryan beast
>mfw im surrounded by knuckle dragging ipad kiddies I hate you people so much
>>750565884Did anyone outside Korea get this?
>>750572391>only Kanto starter to reach OU status prior to gen 5 (gen 6 if you don't count Venusaur after the ban)>one of five starters to reach OU status prior to gen 6>one of four starters to reach OU status prior to gen 5 (two of them were from Sinnoh)>one of TWO starters to reach OU status prior to gen 4Second best starter out of nine. Not bad for a lizard.
>>750565884>you had to level every pokemon individuallyBro, i'm 40, i don't have time for this anymore.
>>750565884>classic pokemon did not age well at allin terms of leveling, absolutely true. back when we were kids we would do that, we'd spend a lot of time doing actual work in the game just to make it display a larger number, which if you have any sense in you, you realize is a complete scam and constructed waste of time. but back then it sort of made sense. we made it a real thing because everyone agreed on the premise. like money.
>>750573578If you have time to play the games at all, you have time to level a full party. Literally just switch your lead when your current one starts getting too high.
>>750573578emulator 10x speed
>>750572061See >>750569209Old = Classic
>>750573793you can just hack it like you could back then. if you think that means you accomplished something of value then ok lmao
>>750565884>NOOOOOOOOOOOO POKESHIT IS TOO HARD FOR ME!!! I CAN'T BEAT THE CHAMPION'S 0 EV TEAM WITHOUT BEING 50 LEVELS ABOVE HIM!!!
>>750571714>speed demon in the game dominated by Abra line>sucks dicknah man
>>750565884You can just overlevel your starter to steamroll ~90% of the game. For the other ~10% you can usually catch a pokemon eith a type advantage near each gym and use it near the level you catch it to steamroll. The only thing you'd probably need to grind for is the elite four, and yeah that's a little annoying, but I don't think the game would be better if every pokemon you have were automatically arbitrarily hiked up to a certain level based on where you are in the game or how much xp your starter has.The xp algorithm in gen 5 where the difference between your guy and the enemy scales the xp you get, is one of the biggest imrpovements they've ever made to the series in my opinion. It makes it a lot easier to have 6 pokemon around the required level for each boss, and much harder to have one guy 5-10 levels above the level curve that hogs all the xp. All this without allowing you to just level a pokemon up without ever having it out in battle.
>>750573348bs>2 clawsAI generated
>>750570105Farfetch'd is solid for an in-game playthrough. All it needs is a single swords dance and it starts mowing down whatever's in front of it via crits. Beedrill also isn't completely terrible. Keeping it around gives you an insta win button against Sabrina.
>>750573348Kill yourself.
>>750574517Beedrill made sense in the context of gen 1 bug being super effective against poison, FRLG took away its niche
>>750574825>One bug move in the entire fucking game>50 BP>A whole 100 BP if it's super effective >EQ and dig are 100 BP without any effort Nah it's shit
>>750573072>15 yearsMore like 5-6 at the most. Zard had long been shelved as far back as gen 2 after bellyzard and sunnyzard bombed. It wasn't until Moltres struck it big that people began to try out what many had long theorized to be a poor man's mixmence. The beat up tech hardly even existed until after Zard had proven itself to be OU material on mixed offense teams.
>>750574135>FrLg>Dominates by abra lineNigger what? Extremely few abra line users and even then zam has the same base speed
While we are bitching about starters, I hate using empoleon in platinum.Piplup is the only starter that could lose to roark to to bubble being shitOnly starter to have no chance against mars puruglyHas no ice move for gardenia, gets shit onFantina shits on all three startersNo niche against Marlene’s unlike the other twoWake is ok with grass knot, without it you are walledAll starters destroy Byron, but even then it’s the only one that struggles with magneton.Actually good against Candice, just not better that infernapeCyrus is fine except the gyarados with earthquakeVolkner sucksAaron would be fine if not for heracross Bertha and flint are shakier than they should be due to the part steel typingLucian has a lot of fighting and ground movesCynthia’s garchomp, togekiss, lucario and Milotic all threaten it.
>>750565884You just had to send the Pokémon you are leveling out first then swap into a type advantage, then once it's leveled enough go and fight stuff it's got type advantage against.Anyway you end up catching all the legendaries which replace some of the underleveled shitter's you have been dragging along all game
>>750565884>grinding sucks!>I want to get to the GOOD partwhats the good part though? this shit is toddler difficulty
>>750575489
>>750573348I had the rom hack of pokemon electric yellow was kino
>>750573348ash gray was the best of these
>>750575376>Has no ice move for gardenia, gets shit onpiplup use peck / pluck
Venusaur is a good starter because it frees up your water and fire slots for something like Arcanine and Dragonite. He’s also tanky as fuck and is extremely good with the first two rounds of the elite four.In firered too, the elite four is actually challenging so having a strong and balanced team is necessary.
>>750575681Pluck is not killing roserade before roserade kills it.
>>750575489>this shit is toddler difficultyI always find it weird people talking about single player Pokémon like there is a need for a metagame, while every elementary schooler finished it without having even used the internet ever
>needing to grind for the elite 4Are these people retarded. You can clear any elite 4 with a team all in the 45-50 range which you will easily hit just playing the game and fighting trainers normally.
>>750575871People want to min max these games because they can’t let them go and play a superior monster collector like dragon quest joker.
>>750569732>poochEevees are rabbits. I don't care if they have tails. They're rabbits. Bulls don't have three tails, but we still call Tauros a bull.
>>750576049Rabbits do have tails, what the hell are you talking about?
>>750575946Think it would be adequate to just catch the 3 legendary birds and have a lv50 starter, probably don't even need that
>>750576141Long tails. You know what I meant.
>>750575946They’re a noticeable step up from the rest of the game, many people skip trainers and the game actually encourages you to do so. FR/LG probably have the most challenging elite four. Most of the other games they’re pretty easy.If you beat every trainer you will have a party of 5 at around level 50 when you get to the elite four, which is barely enough to clear it.I know this because I literally just did this last week.
>>750575946Agatha's got hands
>>750575376>Fantina shits on all three startersThis isn't DP. Monferno, my GOAT, dumpsters Fantina with flame wheel
>>750566757They are that dumb they are boomers reincarnated
>>750568834>>750569168Pre physical/special split is, and always has been, classic Pokemon
>>750565884Pretty sure even the originals had training centers to park pokemon there and level them up, but I haven’t played since ruby/emerald
>>750568834It's a remake of the first game and for the most part just cleans up bugs with a little extra content. Sure it has abilities but it's classic enough.HGSS does more so I consider that a gen 4 companion.
>>750575946Gen 1 actually has a noticable level jump for the E4 even if you do your due diligence of beating every trainer. Only game where I have to sit around grinding some levels before I give it a real attempt.By grinding I mean spending all my money and then just fighting and losing the elite four over and over until they get me up to speed of course.
>>750571561Nah, because a film adaptation of a myth is not even the same wheelhouse of thing while a video game in the same series that is nearly isomorphic to the original is pretty close.A closer analogy to FRLG would just be another modern translation of the Odyssey
>>750576049there's nothing rabbit like about eevee. they're foxes except espeon
>>750571115the series began with party wide exp.share
>>750565884Pokemon is slow as shit even for the time. Just look at Golden Sun that has 4v4 battles moving faster than FRLG at 2x emulator speed
>>750565937Try leveling a Magikarp or Dratini. It's a slog to switch over and over
