Epic is here to save gaming
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>>750563609>go to timmy's twitter, search valve>45,732 matches>go to valves, search timmy>0 resultsI don't know what level of autism Sweeny has, but its hard to find a contender
>>750563609Desperation is an ugly thing.
>>750563609Oh look it's this thread again.
>guy who spent years wanting PC gaming to die and passionately deepthroated consoles (actual walled garden platforms) has yet another retarded "opinion"
>>750563609But he himself created a wallwed garden plattform and paid devs to only release on there...valve never did this you can release your game on GOG or even your own plattform when it comes to steam...
Blow your brains out Tim.Same for the faggot janitors who let him shit up the catalog all day with his jeet marketers.
>>750563609brb going to shoot a cow
Steamworks is the complete set of tools, services, and software development kits (SDKs) created by Valve to help game developers and publishers build, distribute, and manage games on the Steam platform.Core Components• Developer Portal & Dashboard: A web-based backend used to configure store pages, manage sales, view real-time reports, upload game builds, generate keys, and handle regional pricing across multiple currencies.• Steamworks SDK: A software package that developers can integrate into their games to communicate with Steam features. (Uploading content to Steam requires the SDK, while most gameplay features are optional
>>750564049Only a handful of games that Epic either owns or funded like Fortnite or Alan Wake 2 can be EGS only indefinitely. Everything else has been a timed exclusive.
>>750563609AbsolutelyWorkshop is terribleDigital only is terribleDrm is terriblePC used to be about choiceCould be worse mind you but I remember when we were fighting this shit instead of sucking cock
>>750563609i'd be happy to never see or hear anything about this faggot bug ever again
>>750563609Timmy has Gabe Derangement Syndrome
>>750563609The truth is they both suck.But Epic/Tim sucks SO BAD that Valve/Steam still comes out looking really good.I don't trust Valve, but I'd trust them over Tim any day.
>>750563728>MORTY! I TURNED MYSELF INTO A DOG MORTY! HOLY SHIT
>citation needed
>>750564784And other than Valve's own games there are no "Steam exclusives," timed or otherwise.
>>750564793Another larping console cuck.>Workshop is terribleIn what fucking way, nigger? Being able to easily download and share mods without any third party tranny sites is a good thing.>Digital only is terriblePhysical with all of it's malware-tier "copy protection" was terrible.>Drm is terribleSteam barely has any DRM, ripping games from Steam and sharing them online has always been pretty easy.>PC used to be about choiceBiggest proof of larp. PC barely had any choice back in the day if you had no interest in shooters, RPG's or strategy games. Besides, Steam is also only a choice today and you're free to use GoG or pirate all the vidya.
>>750563609The way timmy act you would think Gabe raped him or something.
Doesn't this board suck off Fortnite cause of the sexy skins?Why the hate for epic?
>>750565008>here is a breakdownUnironic AI generated post, holy shit why is he so tone deaf
>>750563609Man if I were Timmy I'd just shut my ass up and enjoy my billions. I seriously cannot fathom having enough money to do quite literally whatever you want and then spending hours upon hours on social media seething about another company.
>>750565114It's not about the money, it's about the legacy.
>>750565008I like how he casually confirmed all Unreal Engine games will be used for AI training in the future (and you just know it's going to be on by default and devs will have to specifically opt-out).
>>750565138All he's doing is cementing his legacy as a whiny hypocrite.
>>750565029because sexy skins are what the consumer wantsthe epic game store is not what the consumer wants
>>750565026For corpo kikes like Timmy seeing your competition thrive and make huge profits is basically rape
>>750563609>>750565008does he not have a job?
>>750565162Yup, but try telling him that.
>>750565209He's CEO of Epic Games, which means he's responsible for the incredibly hard and stressful task of delegating responsibilities to subordinates and bullshitting the board. We are truly blessed that he's able to find the time (and goodwill!) to dispense his decades of wisdom for all to learn from.
>>750563609Wow Tim is whining like a retarded bitch. Must be a day ending in "y".
What is sweeney saying he'll offer that will make people switch to his service?Does he have better age verification?
>>750564049you know the "grass is greener on the other side" saying? for Tim it's walled garden is greener on the Valve side
>>750565475Pretty sure his pitch is still the lower cut for publishers. Naturally, this provides no benefit to the customer so nobody cares.
>>750565037It’s baffling to me when people don’t take the five seconds required to remove such an obvious tell.It’s like they don’t grasp that other people aren’t retarded
I'm loyal to steam and don't care about game devs, they make enough money.
This is like the tenth article in recent months.He's mad
>>750565824>Here's why the Epic Game Store ultimately wins:
>Tim Sweeney: ABLOO BLOO BLOORinse and repeat until the heat death of the universe.
Explain to me how Steamworks is a walled garden. Seriously i thought Steamworks was just for modding.
>>750566089Everything that Timmy doesn't control is a walled garden and a monopoly.
>>750563609why does this dumb fuck keep talking about Steam being bad if literally none of his ideas panned out on his own platform?should be putting all that elbow grease into being a competitor rather than talking shit while gaben is swimming in fuck you money
>>750563609Both Epic and Valve are cancer.>tranny noises in the distance chanting *Gay Ben! Gay Ben! Gay Ben!*GOG.com and Itch.io are the chosen ones.>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>750566089It's "walled" in the sense that Valve is a private company and therefore cannot be bought out/bought into.That's ultimately what all this butthurt is about; the fact that Valve is a private company means that many of the usual tools for suppressing competition work.
>>750566170*don't work
Bozo
>>750564953In the way that you're tethered to steam for modsYes, securom was terrible as is denuvo. Still would like the choice of a physical copyBarely is still drm, it's easy because someone smarter than you made it possibleI wasn't talking about the choice of games, which btw expanded well beyond your imagination, but the choice of how games are distributed and by whom
>>750566170>Valve is a private company and therefore cannot be bought out/bought into.So is it safe to assume that Timmy is seething because Gabe's anus doesn't get gaped by shareholders like Timmy's?
>>750566469While Tencent does own a large share of Epic, Epic Games does have Timmy as the majority stakeholder and the company has never gone public or had to do stupid shit in the name of fiduciary duty. So no he doesn't get his asshole rearranged for shareholders. Which raises the interesting question of why it looks like he's doing things for shareholders when he isnt.
>>750566365>but the choice of how games are distributed and by whomThis is on the devs themselves, not distributor channels. They choose where to sell their games.
>>750563609why do you spam this every dayno one fucking cares
>>750566469I don’t think that’s it, because judging by all the retarded shit Timmy does on a regular basis, the shareholders aren’t riding his ass anywhere near as hard as they ought to be.Unless of course it turns out that Tim is being forced to act like a tard in an attempt to humanise the opposition to Steam
>>750565008That's a big wall of text coming from a thief.
>>750563609Why are people so hellbent on shutting others down if their own "work" doesn't make the cut?
>>750563609>Tim Seethey seethes again
>>750563806Not Chinese enough.
>>750563609The walled garden where they are safe from predatory practices and given everything they need to make games?
>>750566623Only simple-minded scum with the emotional maturity of an acorn, like Tim, do that.
>>750563609Isn't epic games a walled garden beyond even the most extreme demonization of steam?
>>750566365>you're tethered to steam for modsCan you not make a standalone mod for games with workshop support?
>>750565008Sweeney saying that Epic should be allowed to use AI all they want and then getting mad when people use AI to generate Fortnite stuff is hilarious.
>>750566602Epic is a private company
>>750566469>"If you can't beat 'em, buy 'em"The fact that the industry can't do this to Valve is the reason for the butthurt. Timmy's spergout is not a new thing, many publishers have been quietly seething about Valve and Steam for decades now. 'Member back in the late 00s/early 10s when every company suddenly came out with their own launcher?
No matter how many retarded things your boogeyman says. Valve still betrayed PC gamers.We told you 20 years ago.
>>750566810You can, there's absolutely nothing stopping you, it's not even an either/or situation, you can use workshop mods alongside other mods quite easily with only load order issues coming up in some cases.
>Tim Sweeney said stupid hypocritical shit Cool.
>>750566810Yeah, Nexus is full of them. You can open and apply these mods to pirated copies too
>Epic's shares plummet>Board of directors fires Tim>Close Epic launcher>Releases Fortnite on SteamJuat imagine look on his face if this would happen.
>>750565008Fortnite IP>>750565029NIGGA WHAT IP ALL YOU DO IS FUCKING BRIBE OTHER IPS TO PUT BASTARDIZED VERSIONS OF THEIR CHARACTERS OR MAKE KNOCK OFF DESIGNS AND SELL THEM IN YOUR BAREBONES HYBRID OF MINECRAFT/PUBG mother fuckers don't even have the talent to make Unreal Tournament. They canceled their project and are only surviving off the game engine version of Microsoft Windows and Fortnite.
He's becoming CWC tier lolcow
>>750563609>CEO of shitting on the street says toilets have held society back for years
>>750567203He hasn't fucked his mom or claimed he's jesus christ though, he's nowhere near chrischan's level
>>750564929unironically this is why Tim is in the right:MS, Sony and Nintendo have the 30% because of the physical games. Yes physical games are going away BUT this is why the 30% exists. Valve never had the physical games parity pretext for their 30% cut. It was just an asspull.
Save gaming for who? Shareholders? Fucking drown in shit, you subhuman retard.
>>750564953My main complaint about steam workshop is version control of mods. Since you can only ever be on the newest version. If you try and pause game updates to prevent mods from breaking. All the workshop mods will just say fuck you, and automatically update and break the game.
>>750567323Didn't Steam added an option of automatically updating to a newer version if the game has mod support?
It's all about Steam requiring AI disclosure and UE6 being AI.
>>750563609>man says "my rival is bad for the industry">newsHuh?!
>>750567434Any "game" journo that acts as a soapbox for Timmy should be jailed.
>>750567294They used to sell steam codes in brick and mortar stores. I lived through all of it.
>>750567369Not that I can find. You have the option to subscribe and that is all. Nowhere says anything about pausing updates. Gotta do shitty workarounds instead.
So if I get this right:-Sweeney wants to fight AI labels because it would very likely cause any game made by UE6 to be labeled as such-Sweeney wants to swindle customer transparency till the market is fully compromised by AI in his favor so any complaint can be shut down with "It's all AI now, why complain about it now?" or any other dismissive justification-Sweeney accuses others like Steam of exclusivity (Despite actually offering perks and support tools that come with the 30% cut) while repeatedly saying fuck you to people who offered their games to be Epic-exclusivesOr did I got something wrong?
>>750567583Pretty much yeah, he's a picture perfect example of the ruthless bottom line concerned CEO. Customers don't seem to be anything more to him than a means to an end, that end making as much money as he can, just like the wealthy people he used to mow lawns for.
>when LOTF2 for PC managed to decouple itself from EGSI'm glad CI realised that the deal was a poison chalice in time to correct their mistake.
>>750566810Ofc you can but I can't find many outside>>750567074No you fucking can't
>>750567759Name the game.
>>750566565Yeah bro just sell it without steam and see how it goesYou can also sell game on playstation without Sony's approval
>>750567790Northgard
>>750567501>I lived through all of it.same but it's barely an equivalent. Tim bringing up the 30% will never stop being valid.
>>750567294Is Tim going to go against Xbox and Playstation since physical is going away, but 30% stays?
>>750567791Business is about risk, you are not owed success, you take a chance and it either pays off or it doesn't. You pay a distributor a cut to minimize risk, you go it alone so all the profit is yours (minus tax) and take on all the risk. As a customer, I could not care less, I want my product with the greatest convenience to me or I simply will not be parting with my money. That is how our business is conducted.
Valvesnoys are a literal cult.
>>750568003>Tim bringing up the 30% will never stop being valid.Only if a reduced cut leads to lower prices for consumers, which it doesn't and never will. I, as a customer, am under no obligation to care about increased profit for publishers.
>>750568069Good luck lil Timmy.PC is the only reason video games still exist and steam is video games.
>>750567294>Let's just ignore all the services Valve offers to developers, all of that should be free and they should never get a cut of any sales!!!!You people are actually retarded.
Thats why all great advancements in pc gaming occurred outside of steam, on EA PLAY/origin, UBISOFT CONNECT, Microsoft Xbox app for Windows and BATTLENET
>>750568025Nyo :3
>>750568054I want my product with the least of restrictions and censorshipI want to change how business is conducted and voted to do so all my life
>>750563609This is 100% bullshit even for Tim's standards. Every other company walled gardened themselves, leaving Steam to be alone in the public space.
>>750568159>all of that should be freeThey unironically believe this. Developers of 2deep4u indie games seethe about how their game is True Art and should be given better treatment than other releases. It never seems to occur to them that they are effectively asking for free advertising.
>>750568256Good for you, but you need popular support for that, good luck winning people over with gaslighting, browbeating and tweets.
>>750563725How much is Timmy taxing on his store with no customers?
>>750565029Can't speak for the rest of the board, I don't "hate" Tim Sweeney, I just think his Valve inferiority complex is really immature coming from the guy who operates one of the most profitable products of all time. It's just greed, he wants what Steam has and throws a fit because he can't eat their lunch
>>750563609Does he know he is a lolcow?
>>750568416Do lolcows ever?
>>750568069I feel bad for tendies, one week their entire world was shattered, all thanks to a codex jeetIt's not gonna get any better for you, btw. The palworld hearing is coming up.
>>750568320I don't even know what that means
The most interesting thing is that Tim Sweeney has not even once made a direct appeal to customers. It's like we're not even people, just numbers on a spreadsheet controlled by X or Y corporation.
>>750563725>BUT GUYS IF WE GIVE PUBLISHERS EVEN MORE MONEY GAMES WILL GET BETTER PROMISEnoI shant
>>750568069>>750568462Console wars are retarded, they aren't gonna suck your dicks brehs
>>750563609It's fascinating how none of those retards are able to admit the simple fact that it's too late to compete with Steam. A main reason why people use Steam is for the convenience of having a single huge library, often built for years and years, this is not some supermarket where what you buy has been consumed in the following weeks and changing brands won't impact you negatively. Retards call this "sunken cost fallacy", but it's the entire point, to not have to hop from place to place, that you already invested in building this huge library and have your friends, achievements, screenshots and tons of other stuff there. Steam is a comfy, practical place. No customer wants something to threaten this, to try and tear the playerbase apart, try and force everyone to go through the same shit as with streaming where you used to have Netflix having everything, and you now have dozens of streaming services and need to research where it is anytime you want if you want to watch it legally (or you can just be a pirate chad and not give corpos hundreds of bucks they don't deserve).The very goal of EGS is antithetical to the PC playerbase.
>>750564784steam never ever had a timed exclusive. Steam is the most free-market platform and suffers from other platforms cartel, but still succeeds because it does not strive to be absolute dogshit raping their customers
>>750568508Attacking Steam is not going to win over people who swear by it for legitimate and long proven reasons. If you have to be reminded, we hated Steam at first because it was complete dogshit starting out, but Valve worked at it. That's not stockholm syndrome, that's listening to feedback and giving the customer what they want. If Epic Games, or any other company for that matter, wants the same success, then they have to work for it.
>>750567294Brick & mortar cut was way higher than 30% you fucking LARPing zoomer. It's why they all flocked to digital in the first place. 30% was seen as reasonable.
>>750568554Hey, I aint the one making these STEAM BAD threads and getting mad when they dont work
Tim faggot always bitches and moans but he never actually goes into > why do players prefer steam?And the answer is everything is better. The Ui is better, searching for games is easier, personal calendar, early access, steam workshop, every game having its own “community hub”If Tim faggot actually wants people to leave their “muh steam libraries” then he’s gonna actually have to offer something. Industry disrupters actually have to place what they disrupt.If he kept getting games like witchfire exclusive (it no longer is) then it might’ve actually worked
>>750568604The only thing EGS has going for it is the fact that it's the "Fortnite launcher," it's skeevy as hell but in theory Epic could just position EGS as "Steam for kids" and within the next decade or so, he could have a solid userbase if he keeps them locked to that PC ecosystem. It's arguably why Roblox is a much stronger Steam competitor than Epic Games Store, even though all of its "games" are far lower-quality
>>750568604>The very goal of EGS is antithetical to the PC playerbase.I know we like to joke about the PC Master Race, but I genuinely think that a lot of the antipathy to the EGS stems from Timmy's explicitly stated goal of bringing console faggotry to the PC platform via exclusivity.
>>750568751I'm not either, but goddamn has /v/ always been this tribalistic? The anons here are like angels and demons hovering over the shoulders of the games industry
>>750568662>That's not stockholm syndrome, that's listening to feedback and giving the customer what they want.thanks chatgpt... it means a lot
>>750568103>profit for publishers.you are bringing up the evil capitalists arguments and you hide behind publishers to defend Gabe. lowering the 30% will primarily benefit indie devs. end of story.
>>750568025>Is Tim going to go against Xbox and Playstation since physical is going away, but 30% stays?Literally the entire gaming world is criticizing Sony. Unless you've been living under a rock.
>>750566156I'll gladly buy more of GOG if the industry didnt treat the store like absolute shit
>>750568604This is true. I recall GOG and Steam having a crossover campaign at one or two points, where you could link your Steam account to GOG and certain games would activate on your GOG account, if you had them on your Steam account. That pissed me off and I regret doing it, for that very reason you state; I want one library. If I have several where I have the same games, that's just fucking annoying and confusing.Not that I mean to speak ill of GOG, they're neat enough for their own reasons, despite being filthy poles
>>750568025No because Xbox and Playstation make up about 75% of his revenue.
>>750568883ChatGPT would never say nigger like I can
>>750568798>I genuinely think that a lot of the antipathy to the EGS stems from Timmy's explicitly stated goal of bringing console faggotry to the PC platform via exclusivity.It's obviously where a lot of the hatred comes from, but it's also because this represents the entirety of Tim's motivations. Tim doesn't even pretend to care about you, doesn't give you a single useful feature, he openly tells you "I think you're a retarded subhuman and all I have to do is to give you some free peanuts to make you my willing slave forever, see I added Eren Yeager and Darth Vader to Fortnite, and I'm giving you Hogwart's Legacy for free, now install my shitware and buy games you can't even see reviews for". Tim is a megalomaniac autistic faggot who hates you and screams it off the rooftops, and the Fortnite audience is the same as the LoL or Roblox audience, it's kids who for some reason or another are allergic to paying for games and need F2P to give anything a chance. And even those don't play any of the games they redeem on Epic, EGS accounts are basically NFTs with everyone thinking they'll probably have some value to be sold later even though they're objectively worth nothing.
>>750568025Anon more than 80% of Fortnite customers are on console Even if Sony one day started charging a 60% fee Tim wouldn't bite the hand that feeds
>>750568882>has /v/ always been this tribalisticYes anon, consolefags have always been this way. Currently it's tendies doing it, following the footsteps of the MAY YOU GET CAUGHT! guy
>>750568917>lowering the 30% will primarily benefit indie devs. end of story.No, it should benefit me, the consumer. If it does not, Im not gonna give a shit.Im so sorry shill, but that's how it works in a market where piracy is always an available solution.
They do everything in the world but make a good video game.
>>750568917>>profit for publishers.>you hide behind publishers to defend GabeLiterally zero reading comprehension. Do EGSshills really
>>750569315>Epic hasn't made a new game in a decade>They try making a new game with the Star Wars x Marvel shooter>It's in dev hell and Timmy is praying to Claude that they can salvage the dumpster fire
>>750569302>No, it should benefit me, the consumer.Lazy deflection. the consumer will always benefit from more games. i don't see how piracy validates gabe's 30%. try again.
>>750569397>Literally zero reading comprehensionyou are not even trying. most of those games are self published.
>>750569119But this is a tribal thread too though, it's just spread to PC now
>>750569486>the consumer will always benefit from more games.That they still have to pay full price for? CoolAgain, idgaf about the lower cut because it doesnt affect me in any way. You have to do better than this.
>>750569486Cheaper games will result in more sales and therefore more games, so why don't they sell their games cheaper on the epic store?
>>750569593A PCfag didnt make this thread, anon
>>750568787Fortnite's already "fallen off" as the kids say. It's now mostly like WoW, where it's the same aging playerbase coming back for each update.
>>750568662This, it's also been 8 years of EGS by this point, and if you compare EGS now to 2011 Steam, the mogging is unreal, even though EGS could just copy what already exists while Steam had to innovate..
>>750569604>You have to do better than this.i will if you translate what you said in non ESL i will.>>750569632>therefore more gamesnot new games. that's recycling the same games in the same bargain bin.
>>750569694It's really fucking weird that anybody can see the solution is to just copy Steam's homework, but nobody does it. What the hell is going on at these companies that such a simple solution goes overlooked year after year?
Bro EGS has been around for almost a decade nowWhy is this nigga still seething at valve
I like how after all this time and the endless promises to improve Tim just spent nearly 10 years demanding you just lower your standards to rock bottomEven U-play and Origin have more value to the customer
>>750569773Is your argument that more profit results in more games? Why don't they chase profit by chasing more sales rather than trying to extract as much as possible from each sale?
>>750569804if Valve and Steam didn't exist, he'd be #1 yeah right
>>750569773>Oh no, I have no argument >what does the shill book say?>YOU ESL ME NO UNDERSTAND SAAAR!!!Kek
>>750569842He wants the market first, then he'll improve the platform, a good service comes after success. The man is literally working backwards, and there's probably an absurd food analogy to make from this.
>steamies shitting their pants
>>750569803>What the hell is going on at these companies that such a simple solution goes overlooked year after year?Picrel. Long economic strategies are literally illegal, you HAVE to maximize profits in the next 3 months or the shareholders will sue you, so everything most companies do is just a quick scam/snake oil promise to investors that they'll get ROI soon. Also rich people are soulless bugmen who don't understand human emotions or feelings, Steam's strategy of building trust long term and listening to feedback is incomprehensible to them, all they can hear and want to hear is "you give me money, I put money there, money grows bigger, I give you more money".
>>750569803Including all of the same features found in a storefront that has been built up over more than 2 decades would take a not-inconsiderable amount of time and money.Companies don't just want to make a competing storefront, they also want to do it as cheaply and quickly as possible.
I think the 7th gen of consoles did a shitload of damage and we are still yet to recover from that extremely shit period
>>750569842Remember when they didn't have a shopping cart and shills just spammed "why would you buy more than one thing at a time you consuuuuuumer valve worshiper"
>>750569862>Is your argument thatbro im going to be honest with you. i feel like im fighting with hardcore ESL steam fanboys that half the time don't even bother to write a half comprehensible sentence. Gabe's 30% has ALWAYS been an asspull. It's a vibe based percentage. No one in 20 years has been able to defend it. Yet as a true brand loyalist, you cope by bringing up the publishers boogieman when most indies are self published. Or by making up random shit like "how does that benefit me as a designated Gabe cock sucker". Mio, one of the best recent indie games had it's studio shut down because they didn't make enough money. In your mind that's fine because Gabe made his 30% right?
>>750570004>"My ambition is to employ still more men, to spread the benefits of this industrial system to the greatest possible number, to help them build up their lives and their homes. To do this we are putting the greatest share of our profits back in the business."Reminder that this is what they took from you.
>>750570036>cheaplyTim has spend many times more money on his exclusive games and giveaways than what it would have cost to just not make a garbage store.
>>750570036Surely it would cost less than paying devs millions for exclusivity deals
>>750570036>Companies don't just want to make a competing storefront, they also want to do it as cheaply and quickly as possible.It was so obvious with EA, Ubisoft and many others that their launchers were absolute slop made solely to not pay the Valve tax and spy on you.>>750570115I wonder who (((they))) are, anyway time to increase the GDP, don't look up who coined the term.
>>750570112How is that my problem? Make a better game and you won't need to shut down.
>>750568970>Literally the entire gaming world is criticizing Sony. Unless you've been living under a rock.Okay so everyone in the world except Tim is criticizing Sony. Why is that?
>>750570115We shouldn't act like Ford was benevolent though, he was a ruthless, calculating bastard hellbent on dominating the auto market, but to his credit he was obviously aware that massively enriching the greatest possible number of people was the best way to do that. He wanted a Ford car, or two, in every single home just so he could point at everyone doing so well for themselves and say "I did that, and I will go down in history for it," but I think in the end that's the kind of man we want having institutional and financial power.
>>750570296>Make a better game and you won't need to shut down.they literally made one of the best metroid games of the year. your problem is that you defend Gabe's 30% cut that kept money from the devs pockets. You'd rather studios close down than challenge Gabe's vibe based 30%.
>>750563609Quick, make more Fortnite battlepass crossovers, that'll make your platform worth using!!!
>>750570457It's evidently not that good, there's also a billion metroidvanias at this point.Also, they used a publisher, why don't you complain about that?
>>750570457>they literally made one of the best metroid games of the year.>>750568917>plan to playRetard. You absolute buffoon.
>>750570556>It's evidently not that good, there's also a billion metroidvanias at this point.more asspull vibe based arguments. there's less than 5 metroidvanias with a metacritic score above 80 in the last year.
>>750563609>>750563730Did Gaben fuck Tims mom or what? His obsession with him and Valve is way beyond normal.
Metroidvanias in the last 2 years with a metacritic or open critic score above 80.>well dweller>belmont's curse>mio>grime II>SilkSong>Ender Magnolia>Constance Less than 10. Imagine being in the top 10 of best reviewed games. And still failing to make money because Gabe needed the 30% of your money for doing nothing other establishing a monopoly.
>>750571023Why do I, as a customer, care about this issue?
Tim should really spend less time rage-baiting on Twitter and more time trying to wrangle the AI agents working on his indefinitely delayed Disney game.
>>750571023>>750570763>Publisher: Focus EntertainmentThis is the real beneficiary of the lowered EGS cut. Got real quiet about that real fast, didnt you?
>>750570976>timmy say something about valve>999999 trillion articles and retweets calling him a retardIt's his most effective way of advertising
>>750571207Because you get less metroidvania studios. >>750571319>This is the real beneficiary of the lowered EGS cut.You are asspulling that. If you are a financial expert, start providing investment advice to studios.
>>750571423>Because you get less metroidvania studiosWhen? I've been waiting for this to happen for more than a decade now.
>>750569036Thanks doc
>>750571423Dunno, there've been plenty of metroidvanias over the years. I'm satisfied with what we've gotten.>There would totally be more if they didn't have to pay 30%!They don't have to, and there aren't more.
>>750569593OP is a consolefag, they love this tribal shit
>>750571265>indefinitely delayed Disney game.I wonder how the house of Mouse feels about spending $1.5 billion for a game that'll die in two weeks after releasing.
>>750571423>You are asspulling thatNo, I got it from Tim himself. The lower cut is specifically for publishers.You're not gonna change your tune and say Tim is wrong now, are you?
>>750571630I hope the mouse takes him out can and gives then the ol' [Goofy scream effect]
>>750571572>Dunnoi know you don't know because you are a trolling little corporate cock sucker. but you will die defending Gabe getting 30% for absolutely nothing. i love how you're line in the sand is "we have enough games". i guess that's how you rationalize Valve never making more Portal or Half life games. After all, you are satisfied with what we've gotten. But don't let me keep you from port begging.
>>750571742No one cares if Gabe gets 30%, people are just simply not gonna switch platforms unless the games are cheaper. I'm sorry that this makes you assmad.
>>750571742I don't need to defend 30% because it's literally not my problem. Getting rid of it doesn't reduce prices, or result in more games, or in those games being better or EGS would have proven all three by now and they haven't, so it just isn't relevant to me.
>>750571824>because it's literally not my problemOnce again you are being dishonest. You can't both claim to be a consumer and see nothing wrong with less creators whose products you can potentially consume. When i proved it's actually not that many well reviewed games in the past 2 years.>or result in more gamesbut you are tangibly wrong. Mio's creators shut down. Do you know what studios do when they don't shut down. More games. >so it just isn't relevant to me.so, you are not a consumer. I accept your concession.
>>750572010Business that can't make a profit shut down, that's just a fact of life.
Nobody knows who the fuck Mio is Lil gup
>>750572130Is Gabe's 30% also a fact of life?
>>750572010>less creators whose products you can potentially consumeIf charging less would result in more games, they would be publishing on EGS, they are not.>Mio's creators shut down.They shut down because the game didn't sell, not because 30% broke them>you are not a consumerCorrect. I am a customer, I choose where and what I spend my money on. Developers will appeal to customers like me or they will simply not succeed. EGS will give customers like me the service we demand, or they will simply not have a market. It's past time the business world understood that the customer. is. always. right.
>>750572130anon I bet your ancestors defended the taxes of Kings on their starving subjects.
>>750572164It's up to you if you wish to sell your game on Steam.
>>750572216Publishing on Steam is entirely voluntary
>>750572216Ironically the King's Tax was less than what people today are taxed when factoring inflation and average income. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>750572181>they are not.because Steam controls 90+% of the market.>the game didn't sellgiving Gabe an arbitrary 30% sure didn't help.>>750572181>Developers will appeal to customers like me or they will simply not succeedare you drunk or just retarded. I have said again and again we are talking literally about a top 10 best reviewed indie games of the past 2 years. the devs appealed.
Tim Sweeney was 100% right about Steam's AI disclosure rule being a weird political crusade. Valve turns a blind eye to literal asset flips and hentai shovelware every single day, but the moment small indie devs try to use AI tools to level the playing field, Valve flags them so a toxic mob can review-bomb them. Tim is the only exec actually standing up for indie studios.
>>750572293>Publishing on Steam is entirely voluntaryNo it's not when they control the PC market. Gog and epic account for a tiny percentage. That's literally like saying, no just code your website for Firefox (3% of the market) , optimizing for Chrome engine is entirely voluntary
>>750572418Reviews are irrelevant, is it in the top 10 most sold indie games of the past 2 years?
>>750572418>arbitrary 30%That's pretty much standard for any distribution company.
>>750563609Stop complaining and make a better store, tim.
>>750572418>because Steam controls 90+% of the market.Which they do because they appeal to me, the customer, and I reward them with my custom for doing so. EGS does not, so I do not.>giving Gabe an arbitrary 30% sure didn't help.They didn't market their game properly, that is why it didn't sell enough. 30% would not have helped it.
>>750572517Programming is hard. :(
>>750572470I have a right to know what's in my game in the same way a food label says its 90% corn syrup and 10% artifical dye. Thank god for tags function. Steam turns back into a place for humans the moment you hide all AI assisted or generated "games".
>>750572470Just don't use AI.
>>750572483Perhaps they would account for a higher percentage if devs started passing on the % savings to the customer?
>Ember's Ghost Squad (EGS)>Epic Game Store (EGS)Should be be cautious of allowing Timmy near any guns?
>>750563609Tim Sweeney should be living every day in fear of the lead reaper not whining about other dumb rich niggers on the internet.
If Timmy spent even 1% of the time and energy he spends bitching about Valve to actually improve EGS, it would dominate the Pc market.
>>750572470If AI makes your game better, why are you afraid of disclosing it?
All lil Tim needs to do is take a poll why people prefer Steam over Epic and he'll have all the answers why people would rather buy and sell on a marketplace that "steals so much money from the poor little publishes".
>>750572679Any poll he makes would be full of loaded questions.
>>750566089It's not, you can even use Steam multiplayer for non-steam games to make them multiplayer, although I don't think this is supported officially.
>>750572483They don't "control" it, they earned it, and it stays this way because nobody else is willing to cater to customers.
>>750572675Because people are mindbroken.
>>750572713Why do you shop on Steam instead of Epic>I want developers to starve on the street>I want to see the death of the video game industry due to high % takes>I actually only shop on the only moral storefront, Epic.
>>750572818Irrelevant, you're selling a product and you have to give people what they want, even if you think that what they want is retarded.
>>750563730There's no fucking way this retard doesn't post here,this palce perfectly houses his autistic rants when Twitter isn't enough
>>750572502lol are you happy now?>>750572512>That's pretty much standard for any distribution company.yes you retarded dipshit, that's the standard for Sony and Nintendo because they had parity with physical. We have been literally saying this for 20 years. Gabe asspulled the 30% when his Counter Strike launcher was established by selling lootboxes. >>750572537>Which they do because they appeal to me, the customerYou can't play the costumer or consumer card when we are talking about a monopoly. >30% would not have helped it.>more money wouldn't have helped itI accept your concession. >>750572789>They don't "control" it, they earned itSorry to tell you there is no Santa, but Steam became popular when CS lootboxing was a breakout thing.
Is Epic the most hated company in the industry now? I haven't seen this much bile since EA won worst company like 15 years ago.
>>750570335The Model T was a utter piece of shit that needed to be replaced immediately. The only relatively good thing about it was that it revolutionized manufacturing. Why Ford dragged his feet on the Model A, is a mystery.
>>750572818The best way to beat them would be openly admitting that you vibecoded, AI arted and voiced a 14/10 masterpiece in less than 24 hours. That would make anti-AI crowd look like complete retards.
>>750572979Top 10 sales you retarded troon
I don't see epic bros creating gay friend circlejerk ERP threads
>>750572979No retard, they earned it. I don't even play counter strike, not everyone who uses steam does, or even engages with the marketplace. It's simply the best place to buy games, best deals, best user end features. It's that simple.
>>750572979lol
>>750572979How come none of those other games resulted in the studio shutting down?
>>750573045bitch please. are you even implying you are a not a dishonest cock sucker who will turn every single argument into a "hur durr i dont' care". eat dick and get fucked. i won.>>750573095>lolstill top 10. prove me wrong.
>>750573008It has to be rated a 14/10 masterpiece first, and it never would be because the only people heavily relying on AI for production are retarded ideas guys who think their shit smells like roses.
>>750573008What part of "mindbroken" don't you understand? It doesn't matter to these people if it's good or not, just what it represents relative to their worldview.
>>750573076>No retard, they earned it.bruh.
>>750573139Yes and? Just means there isn't enough of a market to sustain 10 metroidvanias a year.
>>750565008>Nooooo! I didn't think people could use genAI to steal MY IPs! Pathetic how it honestly took this long for the C-suite to start realizing this. Fucking morons.
>>750573156Yes and? I wouldn't buy a game with faggots ass fucking even if it's the best game ever made.You simply need to give the customers what they want, it's really that simple.
>>7505732422 years. lol
>>750563609did Gayben fuck his or kill his dog?
>>750573375Okay, 2 years. Entirely irrelevant to my point.
>>750573436>irrelevantlol sure. I just doubled the time span.
>>750573226Steam has literally 200 million monthly users, it hit 45 million concurrent once. You think those player counts mean anything you disingenuous fuck?
>>750573514It doesn't change the fact that there aren't enough people buying metroidvanias.
>>750563609>steamworks is bad nowand the people forcing devs to use steam drm is who, exactly?
Absolutely impossible for a game to succeed if not released on Steam. Gabe is the devil holding back video games!
>>750572893>>I want to see the death of the video game industrythis>due tonah. fuck the current industryall the companies i supported and franchises i loved got killed and raped . fuck the industry
>>750573537>you disingenuous fuck?hey that's my word. making an account is free. investing time to get Dota to 800k players daily is not. >>750573553>It doesn't change the factlol it does. times 2.
>>750573156Yes and? If you put out that 14/10 masterpiece, the general public will think of them as a small demographic of mindbroken retards.>but haters will sabotage the salesHL had its haters with the entire gender cult thinking that it was the spawn of Satan. That didn't stop Ass Creed Scotland from selling a billion copies.
>>750573627800k is not even 1% of the 200 million people who use Steam on a monthly basis
it's genuinely funny to think about the amount of time tim sweeney has spent whining on twitter that everyone prefers steam instead of actually just adding features people want to make them use their service
>>750573117nta but sadly MIO: Memories in the Orbit didn't go well:>https://www.techpowerup.com/350261/memories-in-orbit-game-studio-closes-down-after-lackluster-launch
>>750573627Right, the market is even smaller than I said.
>>750564793and in every way the epic games store is worse>Workshop is terribleEGS has nothing>>Digital only is terribleEGS is digital only>Drm is terribleEGS is full of drm>PC used to be about choiceEGS is all about exlusives, removing choiceyour number one enemy is timmy, now go and actually act like it
>>750573678>who use Steamthat means keeping Steam open.>>750573698dude you said something retarded. after being dunk'd on like 10 times. let it go.
>>750573797You're so assmad that you can't even make a proper point anymore.
>>750573865>but it seems as though its commercial success has not met expectations.>commercial successbruh you didn't even read the link you posted.
What's the frequency of Timmy seething articles? I mean how often does he say something that's either "Steam or Gaben is bad"? Once per week? Once per month? Once per day?I want to know if he's doing it for content like e-celebs who grift whatever they can get engagement from...
>>750573797You will make any argument, invent any excuse, blame anyone, just to avoid the fact that maybe the only thing holding back the competition is the companies themselves.
>>750573679Does the Epic Games Store have a shopping cart?
>>750573938You're so assmad that you can't even keep track of the reply chain anymore.
>>750573956Behold!https://x.com/search?q=TimSweeneyEpic%20valve&src=typed_query
>>750563609>Epic is here to save gaminghe’s not even capable of asking wokestar, to add gta 6 to his store. he’d be better off trying to grow some more hair on his head. his haircut is disgusting
>>750573984yeah it only took 3 years after launch to add a cart
>>750574064Damn, I know for sure that if anything happens and Gabe lose every asset he owns, he will at least be able to live rent free inside Timmy's mind...
>>750573962>You will make any argumentBitch fucking please. there is not greater argument than the consistently top 2 played games on Steam. Steam is the Dota and CS launcher first and foremost.>>750574045you are dishonest to no end. are you going to turn into a flop poster now? Top 10 reviewed, top 10 in sales. over 2 years. And you still haven't been able to defend the 30%.
>>750571350>acts entitled when nobody wants to use his shitass fortnite launcher>continually loses lawsuits and bleeds money>fires half of his team as a result of his fuckups>endlessly seethes himself to sleep every night over the sheer existence of gabe newellI'll give it three years before we hear about Tencent Timmy blowing his brains out in his bathtub. Please livestream it, Tim.
Steam and Epic need to die.
>>750563725>if we give people making things more money then they will surely make better productswhy would that be the case?
>>750572470I've seen asset flips booted from steam in EGS though?
>>750574350You don't know how to read statistics, the two most played combined don't even add up to a single percent of the total monthly userbase.
>>750574064>the client is irrelevant>why does no one want to use our client
>>750574370>>continually loses lawsuits and bleeds moneyYou mean other than Apple. Because he won that one. fortnite is on applestore.
>>750574285He's got a whole ass yacht in Tim Sweeney's head
>>750574465because the retard is underage and didn't live to see all franchises born between 1990 and 2005 get ruined
Okay, if they were top 5 they wouldn't need to shut down. Sounds like a skill issue to me.
>>750574350>>750574591
>>750574494>You don't know how to read statisticsCope. A userbase number meaning nothing. Gameplay hours do. And Dota is on top.
>>7505637258 years of this and neither prediction has come to pass. We could go another 8 years and it'll be the same story.
>>750567294lmao noIf you want to sell physical, be prepared to take home even less, because retail is on top of those 30%.
>>750574647So?
>>750565008this guy has too much free time
>>750567294Okay so what about the 30% that both Apple and Google lop off the top of mobile game sales? they don't have physical games, you fucking nonce
>>750574682>because retail is on top of those 30%.nope. the cut was 30% because of physical.
>>750574819CEO is literally the fakest and gayest role in the company, it's the most fake office job position in the world
>>750574647You are deeply offputting, I can only assume you're on HRT and that's what my subconscious is picking up on.
>>7505748295 sec google search:• Standard Non-Recurring Transactions: • 20% for new app installs • 25% for existing installs• Recurring Subscriptions: • 10% for all auto-renewing subscriptions• Small Business / First $1 Million: • Capped at 10% service fee for a developer's first $1 million in annual earnings.• Special Developer Programs (such as the App Experience program or Google Play Games Level Up program): • 15% for new installs and 20% for existing installs on non-recurring items.
>>750574819He just uses AI to write his twitter posts
>>750574896>You are deeply offputtingnegro im not the one desperately fighting reality. How on earth are you trying to argue against the consistently 2 top 10 played games over the past 15 years. HOW.
>>750564793And you're sucking Snoy and Epic's cock. You're full of shit, Amir.
>hourly tencent timmy transjeet thread
>>750563609He has to be the most insufferable person in gaming. Not only does he shove his shitty engine every dev's throat, making 90% of new games ugly and unoptimized, but he is also constantly shitting on everyone else, especially Valve. Just go bankrupt already, so we can revive the gaming industry.
>>750574989Didn't Fortnite have like 3 million concurrent players for a good while?
>UE6 is vibecodedOhnononono do we have to quit AAA gaming entirely now, luddite sissies? Every AAA game will have a vibecoded foundation from now on
>>750574989Because neither game has anything to do with what most of steam's users are doing on the platform, their combined concurrent users are less than one percent of total, as already mentioned, their combined total playtime is even less.You can't read statistics. You create a conclusion in your head and you go looking for evidence, when the evidence doesn't support you, you twist it until it does and ignore anyone trying to correct you. You have no Logos.
>>750575109You still play AAA games? Do you have a humiliation fetish or something?
>>750565029They could've done so much more than just trash for kids, but no, Sweeny is a retarded imbecile obsessed with power.We cannot forget that he tried to kill the PC market and demonized piracy for decades.
>>750565008>do we allow for YOU train on US? no>do we allow to train on YOU? yesI see so there's no hypocrisy after all
>>750575081>tonema>p
>>750565138His legacy will be a pathetic failure after another if he doesn't let go.
>>750575179>heh just play indieI'm JUST not interested in low quality recreations of SNES/PS1 games with roguelike elements shoved into them. I'd rather play old games
>>750568281>Every other company walled gardened themselvesWhat the fuck does that mean?
>>750568285I would have thought people would realize this after the Steam greenlight debacle.>Indie devs cry that greenlight is too restrictive and it's too hard to get onto Steam>Steam decides "Know what, you're right, it is too hard to get onto our store.">Steam axes greenlight and decides to just fling the gates open, anyone can publish on steam with only a $100 barrier of entry.>The same indie devs who got greenlight axed proceed to start shrieking and shitting blood in rage for months.>Crying intensifies because they didn't want greenlight gone, they just wanted Steam to open up just long enough for them to squeeze in, then slam the doors back shut so they don't have to compete with anyone else.
This is so funny, current gen pc gamers are so jaded against Timmy he could literally release the highest spec possible pc and give it for free to everyone but still people will use it to play their Steam library lmao
>>750575256You still think that's what indie games are? It's not 2016 anymore lil bro.
>>750566365That isn't even true. You can download those mods from elsewhere in the right places.And Steam didn't kill physical PC games, the publishers did and used it as a scapegoat. You can also make digital games physical with the right methods.
>>750563609Valve has held gaming backfrom going into a complete recession
>>750563725It would be okay for some random anon or outsider to make this argument but Tim saying this as a direct competitor just makes him sound like a jealous and greedy faggot.
>>750570115>they took socialism from youGood
>>750566907I remember that Amazon tried to buy its way into Steam's place with Luna, and failed miserably. All those blackpills that insist cloud gaming will be the future forget the detail that Amazon has failed before, and will fail again if they try.
>>750575143>their combined concurrent users>steam running in the background
>>750575359He's never given people a reason to actually stay on his store.They just go on for Fortnite or free games.>>750575418And he acts like they are the only ones taking 30%If you just release on PC he has a point but if you release on consoles they also eat 30% but he never cries about that.
>>750575583You have no basis for that accusation, you made it up entirely in your head, you're only arguing from pathos here, and pathos alone won't sway anyone.
I talked to several developers and a lot of them are considering downgrading to previous version of his engine due to all the retarded choices he's making (including but not limited to the complete removal of Blueprint to push his A-I for 6).The Idiot doesn't even realize he's destroying a lot of goodwill his company had for it even among developers and other studios. This isn't just gamers being pissed at him.All of this for what? Clout? promises of more money? I don't get it.
>>750566916Valve doesn't control the manufacture of physical media, it never did.Microsoft and the ofher publishers did, and they were the ones who "betrayed" us all when they sttopped making discs in the 2010s.
>>750575626>pathoslol. that's still steam running in the background
>>750567323In most games you can juust use SteamDB to download separate versions of mods that donn't auto update. Just keep them backed up and run the game in offline mode.
>>750575610>He's never given people a reason to actually stay on his store.it's not steam but it's literally second best. it's a bland but reliable launcher. i think you don't remember how bad launchers like Ubisoft's or Origin used to be.
>>750567667So did Supergiant with Hades. Their game was one of the first Epic exclusives, but they moved to Steam once they saw their error.
>>750575842>it's a bland but reliable launcher.KEKBetatesting vibeslop is a job anon. You're supposed to get paid for doing this.
>>750575842>it's literally second bestDirectly launching your application of choice is better than booting up EGS. He offers no features, why the fuck would I even want this piece of shit running in the background while Im playing?
>>750575842Why would I use the second best when I can use the best?
>>750575916don't argue with me. im just making an observation. the pc community has a massive hate boner on this guy.
>>750575980Okay, but your mouth doesn't need to be filled to the brim with his cum while you're making an observation.
>>750567759>No you fucking can'tI've pirated games since 2011, kiddo, and in all my time I've NEVER found a game mod that requires a legitimate copy to work, not even Workshop mods.The only game that gave some trouble was Stellaris, and it was mainly due to their shitty Paradox Launcher, whose security checks are easily bypassed by the GOG versions.Although I haven't played Forged Alliance Forever, I know its DRM is easily bypassed by adding FA's exe to Steam's library, even if you didn't get it from there.
>>750575980Im not arguing, Im stating a fact. Betatesting vibeslop like the EGS launcher is a 9-5 job.
>>750563609So what happened to make make Valve live rent free in his head like this? He is acting like a married woman who was divorced right before Gaben man made it big and she got nothing.
>>750575980Maybe it has something to do with him intentionally antagonizing everyone that doesnt worship the ground he walks on.
Epic will start taking 50% of all Fortnite transactions in February. Sweeney's crocodile tears won't work on me.
>>750576097>antagonizing everyonehe just criticized r/PCMR's favorite, Gabe Newel.
Tim is not acting like he has a business rivalry due on making a product that can beat steam, it feels more like Gaben called him a faggot once on counterstrike and it stayed in Tim's head for decades
>>750576213>poaching games and enforcing exclusivity>suing every other platform and failing>seething every single day about a company that doesnt acknowledge his existence >its just criticism u guize
Epic sucks they killed Unreal I hope they burn to the ground
>>750567967There's a chance your pirated version tries to use the steam settings folder to store mods. Goldberg sometimes works line that.Just add the proper mod IDs and folder locations to the json and the game will detect them (Steam's mod dot json works similarly to workshop mod manifests).
>>750576375>>poaching games and enforcing exclusivitywell, he is funding Ueda's new game, nintendo did the same for bayonetta. only steamfags sperg over these things. >>suing every other platform and failingdid he fail against apple?
>>750563609>PC gaming is gay and dead - Tim Swallow 2009
>>750567323>fags responding to a disingenuous complaint about version control on a storefront that doesn't give you any version control unless you are an autist, intentionally not updating by going offlineCome on now
>>750576516He did
>>750576402PC gamers would hate Tim even if he bought them a brand new PC. Unreal Tournament 2014 was cancelled because of low fan interest. it was meant to be a fan led project.
>>750576606>He didbut fortnite is back on apple store.
>>750576594>no version controlIve been on terraria 1.1.2 for a while now tho?
>>750563725>if devs could actually keep their earningsAnd how much of a cut is he taking from devs?And more importantly, how much of a cut would he be taking if he wasn't trying to undercut Steam?
>>750563609Which games even use steamworks to implement in-game chat?
>>750576612And Tim pulling all the old Unreal games from sale. Explain that one
>>750576091Back in the 2000s he officially declared PC gaming to be dead because of piracy and that only consoles can protect you from losing money to software pirating and that everyone should move to consoles exclusively.He then spent the next 15 years sucking up to Sony mostly while Valve came in and proved that piracy was, in fact, a service problem.For some reason he also seems to think that he is the protagonist of the Video Games Industry, so he always malding that he can't manifest his vengeance against Valve or proving him wrong.
>>750577284>for proving him wrong.fck me
>>750576612Remember when he purchased Rocket League and then immediately killed the pre-existing Linux build and support for the pre-existing mods?
>>750576091Valve ruined his plans for a console-only future where Sony ruled supreme, and he never forgave Gaben for that.
I'm going to redeem this card
>daily thread of steamfags sperging against exclusives>Dota and CS are exclusive>those don't count
>>750575640How many yacht was it again? Because I lost count
>>750577431Putting your own games on your own platform vs paying others to put their games on your platform
>>750577431yes, they're free gamesthey don't count, just like fortnite
>>750577431No one gives a singular shit about a developer using their own platform, you fucking morning.
>>750575359Imagine if Timmy releases a more powerful Epic Machine and incredibly cheap but flops because of the EGS exclusive IOS
>>750577431Damn, how much money did Valve pay to Valve to get exclusive rights on those first-party games?
>>750575359timmy genuinely is the type of retard who would expect a customer to return a $4000 investment
>>750577569Why would PC gamers buy a console with no games?Only novelty would be to hack it and load their own OS onto it.
>>750577431>fortnite is not available on steamwow
>>750563609>he's using words now that he doesn't even fully understandThis guy is /v/ incarnate
>>750577431>dev releases their own game on their own store.Vs>swooping in and making metro exclusive to EGS and fucking over everyone trying to buy it on other stores months before release.
>>750577431>F2P first-party games tied directly to your Steam account running entirely on Steam's own serversI know you're being a disingenuous retard but there's a limit.
>>750577431Are they third party? Nobody is complaining about Fortshite being locked to Epic.
are procedural tools like speed tree considered "AI" for steam's label?
>>750577751>>swooping in and making metro exclusive to EGS and fucking over everyone trying to buy it on other stores months before release.The exact moment everyone started hating EGS.
>>750563609how is timmy pushing gaming forward
Tencent: 28%Disney: 9%Sony: 5.4%Total: 42.4%.42.4% of epic is publicly traded by proxy, epic is still technically private, and even with Sweeney's 41.4% stake, he holds over 50% voting power, so these public companies that are invested can't take creative control, but investors still have rights, and fortnight can't last forever. As fortnite slowly loses ground to roblox, they will look to the unreal ecosystem to compensate for the massive loss of revenue.Fornite is ~80% of Epics total revenue.So they will eventually enshittify unreal because the fortnite train is slowing, and wont last forever. This could be real bad for the industry given that many big players (microsoft, CDPR, et al.) have switched to unreal.valve's outside shareholders: 0%.
>>750577874>Are they third party?I love it that steamfags seriously think that their headcanon rules matter in the real world. is it a third party owned partially by the company that bought the other company over a joint venture ip that was cofounded with another company's support. then no lord gaben doesn't allow for that exclusivity to be sanctified.
>>750575483>Henry Ford>SocialistWhere the fuck do you people come from?
>>750564953My problem with steam workshop is that it's obnoxious to download mods directly for a game that you might own on a different platform (GOG/pirated copy).You can use steamcmd to download them which isn't difficult but just annoying; some games require you to own the title on steam before you can actually download anything from the workshop, but some others don't.Still better than trawling through shady sites and anything Epic has done (or not done).
>>750575342Anybody that complains about their own decision should never be listened to.They're not self-aware, incapable of introspection.>sell game in walmart>bitch at walmart because they're selling other products>??>dont profit because nobody wants your game from 1970 that has less gameplay than pong
>>750578384What the fuck are you talking about you colossal retard?Steam owns Dota and CS, therefore keep these on Steam. I have no problem with that.Epic owns Fortnite and Rocket League, therefore keep these on Epic (they actually removed Rocket League from sale on Steam). The latter is a big dickish, but I have no problem with the former.The problem becomes when there are third party exclusives.
>>750574907And they only provide a download link for this? epic.
>>750565029Only on weekends when 12yo kids are out of school
>>750563609This guy needs to shut the fuck up and you faggots need to stop posting his retarded shit.s
>>750577391>console-only futureSo he decided to make a PC store like Valve but worse and continues to lose to them, big kek. Maybe if he put as much effort into EGS as he does with his bitching maybe it would be a better service.
>>750578843>What the fuck are you talking about you colossal retard?wasn't dota a warcraft 3 mod and half its roster were literally stolen from warcraft?
>>750563609Consoles have done far more damage to the games industry than valve ever will. >VE MUST MAKE ALL GAMES INCLUSIVE AND AFFORDABLE And as the number of browns rise, the quality of games and their communities dwindle.
>>750579685>hiring people to produce new vidya is bad>except when I buy an entire company and rip their existing product off of my competitor's storeKill yourself Tim
>>750579940>>hiring people to produce new vidya is baddoes any of that spell "dota was a warcraft 3 mod" to you lol
>>750573394Gabe is fucking Sweeney's ass every single day, and that's despite not even knowing Tim exists.
>>750579685Wasn't Harmonix bought by Epic to make Fortnite FestivalWasn't Psyonix bought by Epic and then Rocket League made exclusive?Wasn't Mediatonic bought by Epic and then Fall Guys made exclusive?I don't know what the fuck you are trying to argue. Valve bought the Dota mod, they bought the Team Fortress mod, they bought the Counter Strike mod.The problem is when you buy exclusivity for your store for games made by third parties who you DON'T FUCKING OWN.
>>750563609He's right but he's still a faggot
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>>750580205>The problem is when you buy exclusivity for your store for games made by third parties who you DON'T FUCKING OWN.so you just make up the rules. cool yeah.
Timmy is the Trump of the video game industry.
>>750580287NTA, but can you make up some rules for him to follow so he knows what your rules are?
>>750580287I don't make the rules, I am just explaining to your dumbass why people got mad at third party store exclusives. You were the one who brought up first party exclusives like Dota and CS.
>>750580185The original dota still exists as it used to, only Dota2 is under Valve's umbrella. Same with the original mods that were team fortress, day of defeat, etc. The developers were hired to make new things, rather than the original things being scooped up
>>750580393>The original dota still exists as it used tooh boy.
>>750563609of course they have they didnt make half life 3they 100% caused half of the problemsthey did do proton tho and are not sony or microsoft so we put up with themyou could do worse imo
>>75057686212%
>>750567179>sharesit’s not a public company. he’ll just run it into the ground eventually.
>>750580393>The original dota still exists as it used to,didnt valve just shut down a counter strike project?
>>750571350>"all press is good press!"His comments made me like the Epic Game Store less. When it launched I tried it out and it was OK, not great, DEFINITELY not better than Steam, but it was fine, then I saw how expensive the games were on there combined with hearing Sweeney CONSTANTLY WHINING about Valve and Steam as if they were conspiring to make EGS fail, and all of his arguments rely purely on hypotheticals that sound great on paper but completely fall flat IRLfor example, a big point he keeps coming back to is that his store charges less of a cut for people to host their games on it, and he literally verbatim said "You're going to see cheaper games on the Epic Game Store" and that has proven to be not only false, but the complete inverse, as I frequently see games for cheaper on Steam(source: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019/03/epic-ceo-youre-going-to-see-lower-prices-on-epic-games-store/ also added the headline as the picture if people don't want to give this website traffic)He's just a liar who constantly acts like a victim, and as a result I don;t want to give him any money at all, amplified by what Epic has turned into over the years under his rule (killing UT completely, making UE a buggy unoptimised piece of shit, abandoning every Epic IP to focus on Fortnite slop, etc)I don't think anyone can give me a good reason to not dislike this man, and to use his service
>>750573139>i won.The delusional Troon award
>>750574370don't forget the campus he wanted to build, which has been on ice so long now that the area is about to get resold
it'll be really funny to see what china tim has to say next year when he's fired
>>750563609This retard cant even vibe code his engine for better optimization. Timmy should khs
>>750563609There are two types of programmers:>want to make thing that worksand>want to make "their thing"Timmy is the latter. Which is why his system for a marketplace for everybody will never work. He doesn't even have a good concept of WHY the competition is so popular because that would require a bit of self-critique, and nothing is wrong with his pretty little baby in his mind.>pic related
I guess a top 10 metroidvania resulting in the company shutting down means that metroidvania isn't popular enough unless you're uh, top 5. So I don't think that's steams fault lol
>>750582817Tim's insistence to keep saying whatever he thinks has done him zero favors
>>750563609If it were up to Tim, or any other CEO like him, the games industry wouldn't exist, you'd have nothing but cloud-based AI slop. He wouldn't (and doesn't) allow the level of freedom of Steam does for devs, not in a million years. He's mad because he can't monopolize the industry and enshittify it.
>>750571657>steam is the best online store experience>maybe we should make our store even better?>nah fuck it, just bribe devs insteadkek
>>750563725There's like a billion games on steam. Why would the industry need more? And the biggest financial disasters have been some of the most well funded and well known studios. it's not like anon the gamedev is struggling to keep the lights on while he made Halo infinite.
>>750578178>As fortnite slowly loses ground to roblox, they will look to the unreal ecosystem to compensate for the massive loss of revenue.This is the thing everyone should be looking at. Most schooling systems are still churning out "engineers" who only know how to work with UE in their thousands. If you thought AAA was in deep shit for the last few years, you haven't seen anything yet. Engine enshittification is going to slaughter the AAA part of the industry, I'm talking massive layoffs the likes of which we haven't seen because management doesn't understand that the tech will be the problem and will be stuck in thinking they can hire their way out of it, or completely slop up their process with AI.Anyone who can work in other engines will be at a premium, but conversely anyone who can is already a real programmer and can get better paying work doing literally anything else in IT. We're gonna see some amazing shit and we'll all be right here to see it.
>>750563725I just know you're either a commie or some vibe coding troon game "dev".
>>750588184Spend less time on Twitter and more time making games, Timmy.
Some janny is having a meltdown right now lmfao
>>750588361He's too busy arguing with community notes to take that advice.
>>750572979>You can't play the costumer or consumer card when we are talking about a monopoly.It's spelled "customer", and yes he can because Steam isn't a monopoly. If I don't want to use Steam and still play video games, I can choose not to use Steam and continue playing video games.
>>750589462That's fucking sadHe's in the middle of one hell of a mid life crisis
>>750589462>Actual billionaire CEO going "I'm not owned! I'm not owned! I'm not owned!" like some tard-tier influencerGiving wealth and power to the guys who got shoved in lockers at school was a horrible idea
>>750590016this is honestly sadder than notch's candy mansion and his attempts at becoming an LA socialite
>>750588142spot on
>>750569976I FUCKING BEG OF YOU CATPOSTERSPLEASE MAKE ONE FUCKING POST THAT ISN'T SHIT
>>750563609timmy makes it so easy to cheer for a billionaire
Here's the so-called innovator that Steamies jerk off so much>Half LifeA couple Microsoft employees round a bunch of people up to make a video game in an attempt to explore the gaming potential of the OS. 'Kay. Nothing odd here.>Team Fortress ClassicHalf Life mod made by the creators of Team Fortress, which was a Quake mod, after they were hired by Valve.>Counter StrikeHalf Life mod, its developers hired by Valve.>Day of DefeatHalf Life mod, its developers hired by Valve.>PortalSpiritual successor to Narbacular Drop, indie game whose developers were hired by Valve and the portal mechanic from Narbacular Drop was used for Portal>Portal 2>TAG: The Power of Paint devs were hired to help work on Portal 2 and the paint mechanic from TAG was used in Portal 2. The devs of TAG were fired from Valve two years after Portal 2 released.>Left 4 Dead 2Sequel to Left 4 Dead, an indie game whose studio was hired by Valve shortly before release.>Alien SwarmRemake of an Unreal Tournament 2004 mod, its developers hired by Valve.>Dota 2Sequel to a Warcraft III mod, its lead developer hired by Valve.>The LabVR minigames.>ArtifactDigital collectible card game designed by the creator of Magic: The Gathering. (If this is their revenge for Blizzard taking them to court over Dota and then ripping off TF2, it's pretty sad.)>In the Valley of the GodsFirewatch creators' new game after getting tired of trying to sue everyone and being hired by Valve.Gabe doesn't have an original bone in his body, meanwhile Tim Sweeney and Epic Games are innovating and created original ideas with Fortnite and Gears of War.
>>750593110Gabe either just makes sequels to mods or poaches students from DigiPen university and reuses ideas from student game projects.
>>750575295>A walled garden service is a closed digital ecosystem or platform where the service provider has total control over the hardware, software, content, apps, and user data, restricting how users and outside developers interact with the outside.Console marketplaces and the Apple store are good examples.
>>750593110>created original ideas with FortniteYou mean the Battle Royale game that copies DayZ BR (ArmA mod) and PUBG Battlegrounds?Very original.
>>750593761but they added building like in meinkraft for spastic children, that was new
>>750594309You said it yourself, Minecraft existed.
He's right. Valve doesn't innovate.
>straight white male protagonist gets his ass kicked and has to be saved by a half black half asian woman at the start of the game>Half-Life 2 uses Eli to push interracial marriage and procreation>cast is diverse as fuck (black man and his mixed race daughter and a white woman)>game pushes a theme of "humanity as one" in the fight against the Combine which is similar to woke messages being pushed today.Valve was pushing wokeness a decade before it hit the mainstream
>my estore where you own nothing is better than this other estore where you own nothing
