nah.
We already know it was almost nothing when it was cancelled.

>>750559192
Yeah sorry mass effect fucking sucked

>>750559192
It had FUCKING PRONOUNCES so good riddance

>>750559192
we already had andromeda and veilguard to know it would have been shit

>>750559192
Reapers won

1 > 2 > 3 > 4

Give the trajectory of the series, Mass Effect 5 would have been worse than Chex Quest.

>>750559192
mass effect lost all cultural relevancy after the dogshit ending 3 had

>>750559192
Yes. The setting was great and ripe for dozens of games.
They fucked it all up though.

>>750559262
It didn't, but after 2 it fell off a cliff, even though 2 itself was kino, 10/10 and elevated the franchise after an excellent first game, and then took it even higher.

ME3 is where shit went wrong, and they forgot to ask themselves if the approach they were taking even was the right way to handle it. But of course they didn't because it wasn't the original 5 writers talking about it anymore, it was Casey Hudson and the Ship of Theseus.

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It'd be SHIT

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>>750564842 >>750567313 >>750568512

>>750559506
True

I will always wonder if you would have gotten renegade points for misgendering

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>>750572757

I swear the secret asian shit is gay and you faggots have been shilling it for years, even back when the games were an ongoing series so I wasn't surprised at the trailer and happy it died because fuck bioware retards sank their own ship for actively antagonizing their longtime fans in favour of woke faggots that down even play their games

>>750559192
It’s difficult to be excited about what it could have been, because they didn’t hire developers based on ability, but rather what poitical opinions they supported on social media.

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>>750559628 >>750559841 >>750564469

>from the studio who made good thing a decade ago
>then the director left and diversity hires released shit after shit
>studio is now closing down
>activists i mean fans start crying

>>750559597
kek that lineup is extremely grim

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>>750559882 >>750564016 >>750572565 >>750576313

>>750559192
Bioware was totally on the verge of making something closer to the first game than Andromeda and Veilguard but now we'll never know for sure, there's just no way.

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>>750559732 >>750564618 >>750566037 >>750572318

>>750559506
>even though 2 itself was kino, 10/10
You're fucking retarded.
Lazarus project, thermal clips, hollywood dogshit action movie with Reapers revealed to be... making reapers out of HUMANS?! AND THERES A HUMAN SKELETON REAPER?! WHOAH. So much for beyond our understanding. Also bug people are... protheons also?!?! WHOAHHHH dude.

People who swear by Mass Effect 2 are cut from the same cloth as the retards who think Inquisition is the best Dragon Age.

>>750559456
Yep. For far most people it went the way of GoT S8, and if you ask innumerable GoT fans you used to talk to (like actual normies) about it now they just go "I don't even wanna talk about it bro."

Same thing with Mass Effect. It was JUST becoming mainstream with 2, and I had all sorts of unusual parts of my friend groups be like "You played that game? Hell yeah! Me too, who was your favorite?"

and then with 3 someone would come at me afterwards like "You picked the ending, but it doesn't change anything LOL!" and that's the last time they talked about the series.

The #SaveMassEffect are just all of the humiliation-ritual or actual trannyfags who have latched onto BioWare as their Safe Space mascot.

>>750559192
>Veilguard in space
That is the reality.

>>750559681
You mentioned a lot of things there.
...when's the thing that makes me go "Oh shit, I forgot that did suck?" cuz it ain't any of those.
ME2 was fucking incredible, man.

>>750559192
Let's be real here, it would have taken another 6 years to release and it would be mediocre at best.

>>750559456
Same with Game of Thrones.
Amazing how a horrible ending can destroy an entire ip

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>>750559597
layoffslop

>>750559670
Yeah right
Imagine having a shred of faith in retards who have been fucking up for 15 years

>>750559763
Endings are not unimportant to the whole of a story.
Kingdom Hearts will be looked back on with rage if they suddenly fuck it up in KHIV as well.
Typically it's really simple things like, if you're GONNA kill off the main character, is it earned? Or if you definitively ruin a fundamental relationship that drove the heart of the series (Last of Us 2) instead of maybe doing something else to land it.
And with Mass Effect some say it was the choices, but that doesn't fly with me. By the time you even get to the end of 3 the choices hardly mattered at all, and really really huge decisions were dropped on the floor in plain sight, like when you go to Cerberus HQ and see they have half of the Human Reaper in there, but you chose "Destroy the Collector Base". And Udina is always the Councilor. By the time I got there I had already given up about "choices mattering" so the unique hatred I felt for the ending has to stem from something else. And what it is, is simply story.
If you strip all 3 games of choices and even if you pick the worst options as the linear story through the entire journey, you'll still mostly end up emotionally attached by the time you're near the end of 3, and you'll still find that what the Catalyst says about the Reapers and the nature of the "cycles", and how Shepard fits into that sequence as a protagonist, just is not an emotionally compelling or intellectually insightful way to end the series.

They made the whole trilogy suddenly about "how Machine Intelligence always gets created and then destroys everything" even though that description neither fits the Reapers cuz they don't kill "everything", and it doesn't describe various AI creations of Shepard's life-time, like the Geth or EDI, because those aren't fucking gonna destroy everything.

It's as if you reach the ending and suddenly the writers forget what story they're writing for, like they just watched I-robot the night before and made a fanfiction ending for that.

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>>750563412

DA2 was quite a big shift in knowing where EA wanted to take things with Bioware. Even if you have hangups with the things ME2 did, it's still a solid entry and arguably very comparable to ME1 for different reasons. DA2 was the start of things to come, and ME3 despite having similar great story moments ended up suffering with rushed development and lack of cohesive vision all the same. Everything afterwards was a dumpster fire attempting to chase trends without the time or talent to actually execute properly. DA:I was a shitty singleplayer MMO with character and lore assassination. Anthem had potential but Bioware somehow forgot you need an end game for something of that genre. DA:V was horrendous and it full on showcased the problem with management and the issue with having politically aligned "fans" running your development.

The same shit happened to Blizzard. Zero talent. Trend chasing and development based on what their shitty college courses taught them. No inspiration, no fantasy and entirely rampant with ideas by people with zero world experience and simultaneously forced real world current events and political ideologies.

>>750559192
>People will still be talking about what could've been a decade from now
yes and all the people doing it will be ex devs like that ex dragon age producer that can't shut the fuck up

>>750559297
This

Good riddance

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>>750559192
No, we know it would've been trash already.

>>750559192
>MASS EFFECT WILL CONTINUE
heh

>>750559192
I wont. mass effect died with 3

>>750560013
They basically invalidated all the players choices, it was massively important when the game sold itself on the idea of player choice mattering. its hard to do that though. I don't even really remember much of me3 besides the ending because it felt so retarded and a straight up deus ex machina with the Catalyst

>>750559430
2 > 1 > 3 > 4
First games combat was ass and I hated 100% it.

>>750560156
Blizzard are shit but nowhere near as shit as Bioware

>>750559192
It would have been shit. The talented people left bioware long ago.

>>750559192
Everyone is talking about Bioware like it's some massive tragedy. Even Canadian parliament is talking about Bioware as if it was an unjust hate campaign that got this beloved studio got shuttered.
Nobody has liked let alone played any of their shit for over a decade. If even a hundredth of the people yapping about how great wokeslop is actually bought fucking video games, they would still be a massive success.

>>750563297
Dumb nigger

>>750559670
Activists make for terrible game developers.

>>750559275
>PRONOUNCES

>>750563589
It's very telling of how fucked Bioware was that their cultural relevance with the larger public is still stuck in the early 2010's.

>>750559597
Prey is the only game worth a damn on that entire listing, and just like the rest of those games didn't sell particularly well.

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>>750565992 >>750566021 >>750572704 >>750573270 >>750573334 >>750573425

>>750559192
It was going to be Andromeda 2.

>>750559192
the last good bioware game was 18 years ago and it's pretty clear everything coming out about the cancelled mass effect game is the devs desperate attempt to appeal to gamers and suits like
>look we still got it guys, look at our mc picking up hot alien chicks and it was going to have every rpg possibility and basically be everything you ever wanted see

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Is it just a coincidence that Mass Effect is dead and AI is thriving?

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>>750559681
ME2 improved moment to moment gameplay, but then went and started giving explanations to things it really shouldn't have. Just like 3 introduced the DLC that explained how the Reapers were the creation of giant squids with the express purpose of stopping the lesser races from wiping themselves out with AI...only for the very same squids to be near exterminated by their creation. Meaning the Reapers aren't "beyond our comprehension" but a digital construct doing exactly what it was programmed to do the entire time.

>>750559192
no one cares about your libshit game. you lost tranny

None of the characters I give a shit about were alive and youre stuck with Liara, another time skip to not deal with a direct post Reaper War galaxy
It was just gonna be Andromeda 2 which nobody wanted, plus they had nothing but a fucking trailer despite 7 years of supposed development. What was EA gonna do with that when it wouldve taken another decade or half before it would even come out

>>750559262
It didn't suck, but it wasn't that good. Bioware is one of those developers that was really AA quality and ability, but was given the prestige and praise (and later budget) of AAA developer because they were the only ones who consistently made the type of RPG they specialized in, people were obsessed with a game's potential to be reached in a sequel (that never ended up happening), and pathetic obsession around companions and romance. Technically they were always well behind other AAA companies, and barely better than their AA rivals by sheer virtue of how bland and safe Bioware tended to play it with their titles. In terms of writing they rarely achieved higher than YA book level, and were rightly mocked for the Bioware Chosen One template that they followed.

Bethesda is another AA developer treated as a AAA developer, and just like with Bioware, as more actual AAA developers start to make games in their niche the lack of quality and competence becomes more and more undeniable.

>>750559192
>could've been
>never was
Waste of time

>>750559563
me 2 > me 1 is a normie take who played once or twice
those who played all mass effect games on legendary know that mass effect 3 is most refined when it comes to combat and dificulty balance
also more builds and fun scaling abilities in me 3

>>750559506
>ME3 is where shit went wrong
Because Drew Karpyshyn only wrote the script for first two games and then he left
And the game was instantly polluted with sudden faggots (literal) on your team telling you sob stories about his husband (imma throw up wait a sec)
BLLLLLEEEEEEERGHHHHHHHH
Ohhh
Ugh
Pah
Hick
So where was I
Right, and then there was a brown gorilla that disobeyed Shepard (the most influential man of the entire humankind, the first human Spectre). Femshep took off after ME3 too. Probably because the new lead writer wanted to be a woman. It led to the appearance of a lot of 3d porn with her which I personally have no interest in, but at least it's something I guess.
All in all ME3 is a shit game
And to think about it, they had that big DLC for ME2. And I thought to myself "holy shit, ME3 will surely be fucking amazing, because this DLC is cool as fuck and improves the already fantastic ME2". But all the shit was scrapped and they had a new story with a pathetic homo Spepard who thinks about a boy for the entire game (maybe he was a pedo) even though he literally saw entire races being massacred before and didn't care. BUT THIS BOY....
Disgusting. Fuck EA. Fuck Bioware. They were dead to me after ME2

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>>750572682

This guy in another thread is so right about ME3 and why everyone gave up on the series.
And he totally isn't me.

>>750565013
>Because Drew Karpyshyn only wrote the script for first two games and then he left
That in itself wouldn't be such a huge problem if he had only passed the baton to someone who "got it", but he didn't because they'd be either Casey Hudson or Mac Walters, and i really think ME3 happened where Casey did the thing that some directors do when they don't have someone else make the plot for them. They resort to "logical" similarities, and end up making a plot that... sounds right on one level, but it actually totally isn't going in the same direction as was sort of foretold from earlier. Similar shit happened between Batman Arkham City and Arkham Knight, where you can see the story credit change from "Paul Dini & Sefton Hill" to "Sefton Hill with a bunch of Game Designers". and then the plot is kinda sick in Arkham Knight but it also FEELS like it isn't the kind of plot that would've normally come after City, where it's now EXTRA brooding, and it's like so grim and serious, and Scarecrow is basically a completely different character all of a sudden, and everything is more like the Dark knight movie and not the cartoons anymore.

Casey Hudson already cited his sources for 3. He thought it should be Gladiator, and the whole idea of the boy was that he saw Gladiator and felt like the whole thing of like "The guy thinks dying is victory because he can see his family in the afterlife" and he ACTUALLY wanted that plot for Shepard and the boy that dies.

>>750559297
I think they probably wouldve dialed the wokeness back from veilguard slightly but no way would it have been less than andromeda level. bioware never wouldve made another game not aimed at liberals so i don't mind them shutting down in the slightest

>>750559192
What could've been is another dogshit game from a studio that has been making nothing but dogshit games for more than a decade, and this one would've been even worse since the quality of Bioware games has somehow continued to slip despite already being dogshit 10 years ago.

>>750565226
Bold of you to assume they'd dial any of their gay liberal bullshit back even when faced with financial destitution. Because they fucking didn't put on the breaks for the last game they made and just went even further than what they'd done with Inquisition.

>>750564842
>me 2 > me 1 is a normie take
It's a taste preference. All the ME games are for normies, retard
ME1 had a somewhat shitty gameplay even back then (being a console game does that, and it first came out on xbox 360, mind you), but a grander story (in scale)
ME2 had a way better and more polished gameplay (it wasn't just a console port now), but they had to scale it down and give it a somewhat filler story (which is still fucking amazing with a shitton of great characters) because they wanted to go all in on the next, third game.

It's not like ME2 had a """worse"""" (by your logic) story because they suddenly became incompetent. It was intentional, and they did great at what they planned

>>750565159
I agree. I like 2 or 1 more depending on the mood of the day.
2 is way more pristine and has an even balance between being an action game and an RPG. It really fulfils the mission statement of taking the BioWare RPG but making it into much more of a hybrid action/tactical experience.
ME1 is a delicious RPG where you just happen to be shooting guns, but you have to think of the shooting like combat in RPGs like KOTOR. Accuracy affecting the aiming reticule so badly is not a flaw, it's just them trying to RPG-ify the third person shooter controls, and get the player invested in skills and upgrades. But this does have a problem because the gameplay interface of aiming and shooting does clash with this philosophy, because I'm literally aiming directly at the enemy, so why is it dicerolling the shot?

KOTOR doesn't take skill to execute attacks, it just takes strategy and well timed abilities.

And there are other big differences to cutscene flow and presentation, and the level design.

ME2 also cover a lot more ground (without copypasting environments and cutscene templates) than 1 does, and that's largely thanks to a lot of simplifications they made. And that made ME2 feel actually large to me, despite how small scale a lot of locations feel, and how intimate the scope of the plot is this time.

In the end I just like ME1 for the context it establishes, and the richness of the sort of Dark Soulsy level layout to areas like the Citadel, where there's so many to talk to, but I still appreciate how they did a lot of the same stuff in 2 but without the Dark Souls style complex level layouts and without the same density of "people to talk to" if it means you just get "overall more to talk to" over the span of much more corridors and other small, but still additional hub locations.

I just feel like ME2 is still a very huge game, and its naysayers are too quick to write it off as a "smaller game" or something.

>>750565289
im not certain because, yes, their instincts would no doubt have been to double down, but veilguard to me felt a bit like a turning point where even some non chuds went this shit is fucking gay

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>>750559192
>I know Dragon Age 2 sucked
>I know the TORTANIC sucked
>I know Mass Effect 3 sucked so bad it united the entire internet and caused a company to apologize and rewrite the ending
>I know the Cisquisition sucked
>I know Andromeda sucked
>I know Anthem sucked
>I know Veilguard sucked
>BUT TRUST US BRO MASS EFFECT UNIVERSE WAS GOING TO BE GOOD!
Sure thing, boss.

>>750560013
>Kingdom Hearts will be looked back on with rage if they suddenly fuck it up in KHIV as well.
Most people were already disappointed by 3's ending.

>>750565424
The ME3 ending was so bad yet journos back in the day were doing their damnedest to defend it saying "if BioWare changed the ending they'd be losing their creative integrity". Meanwhile I'm there thinking that they just phoned in that entire ending with vague bullshit because they didn't actually know how to end the series at all.

>>750559192
Andromeda 2? Mass Veil Effect Guard?
You are not wrong, people will talk about what could have been, but anyone with a brain will do it in a tone of "what disaster we manged to avoid"

There will be more ME, the IP quite litterally has value, its all but guaranteed to happen, the only question is when.

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>>750565013
Don't you disrespect my nigga Vega.
He got the only Mass Effect movie we'll ever get.

>>750559192
Never played Mass Effect but was it really so amazing of a series to let a studio put out absolute shit for like a decade for the promise that maybe this new game might be good? I just don't get why the end of a series that was effectively finished (not well apparently but still) is such a crushing loss to such a large number of people?

>>750559192
ME3 killed the series for me

>>750559192
I genuinely feel bad for people losing their jobs, but let's not pretend this game wouldn't have been a massive letdown. I'm simply going by their track record of the last decade. Nu-BioWare was compromised, it needed to go.

>#savemasseffect
There's a reason it's not #savebioware

>>750565569
They could have easily fixed it by making the Indoctrination Theory canon. But it was too smart for them.

>>750564469
Arkane should have made smol games with relatively low sales for all eternity, but instead they just had to make looterslop to try and get millions of sales

>>750564618
The very fact you think "moment to moment gameplay" is a phrase means you probably got that opinion from a video essay. Why not just say combat? Or gameplay?
Anyway they dumbed it down for the cowwa doody audience (i.e. you)

>>750564518
The forbidden casting couch

>>750564518
More like Failguard in space

>>750559681
This. Mass Effect 1 was pure Bioware RPG kino. 2 started the trend of "Hollywood EXPLOSIONS, DRAMA FIRST, RPG and setting uh never, we're just typing random shit on the keyboard now".

It is the start of the sharp decline in Bioware writing. It is still carried somehow by the lore and setting of the first game, so it isn't as bad as ME 3, but it's the very start of everything going wrong with Bioware.

People just like it because the setting was so well written and so well loved that it could survive for a bit (one game, as it happens) STUPIDITY, DRAMA AND EXPLOSIONS. ME 3 went full retard, ME 2 was just half retard.

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>>750565932
Mass Effect was once seen as the videogame equivalent of Star Wars or Star Trek before they lost so much goodwill.
People still really love the universe and see so much potential in it.

>>750565890
I wonder if that TV series is still in development

>>750559192
A decade from now I'll still talk about not ending with ME1 was retarded
Dogshit is what the new game would have been

>>750565960
Colantonio is basically doing that now with his new studio.

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>>750565990
"Moment to moment" meaning the actual gun play because the other half was just the usual BioWare pick 3 dialogue options that just meant "yes" and "no" respectively. Meanwhile you're too retarded to understand that even the CoD fandom still didn't touch it because it still had too much of that talking and "roleplaying" business for them. It just made the actual gameplay less shit and jank like ME1.

>>750566021
Don't talk shit about Highguard. And NO this isn't Geoff Keighley.

Lmfao, we all saw how andromeda and veilguard turned out. The team had no fucking talent, they werent gonna magically understand game design by sticking around longer.

>>750566059
Hopefully not considering how bad Rings of Power and Fallout were.

is it one autist spamming what could have been ME threads for the past few days?

>>750566107
If only there was some kinda recent Bioware flop that also had "Guard" in the name
Update your context, bot

>>750566107
What are the chances he will invite ex-Bioware devs on stage to say fuck you to EA?

YOU SAY ANY MORE SRANDER AGAINST GRORIOUS BIOWARE AND YOU BE DING DONG BANNU

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>>750566271
I miss trolling that place

>>750559192
ME1 and maybe some of 2 is all you'll ever need, can't imagine giving a shit about this series after those games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CzQoFm74lM

>>750559192
Yes, so sad we will never see Andromeda 2
;_;

>>750566319
A dev having its own forum to troll is so funny. I wish discord died

>female writer says she was the writer for me4 and sad that bioware is dead
>makes "mythpunk" where she takes classic european folktales like snow white, subverts it and makes her a black gunslinger in the american west
it would be even more woke than veilguard

Chudtranny

>>750565013
Vega is the only enjoyable human squad mate in the whole series THOUGH

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>>750566878
That's a goddamn lie.

>>750559563
Me3 is where it belongs
Me2 should be in Drop-core

It isnt nearly as refined as Me3 and the builds arent nearly as fun
The RPG systems are shitty and shallow compared to Me1

The story is a complete nothing burger and you could go from me1 to me3 and lose nothing. It was peak Bioware's "we want the mainstream gun and ball audience" phase and was loaded with fucktons of dlc and pre-order bonuses to boot

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>>750566406
You would have loved it!

>>750567313
>skip from ME1 to 3
>Why is Shepard on trial?
>The Reapers just suddenly arrived? How did that happen?
>What happened to the original Normandy?
>Who's EDI and why does Joker like her?
>Why is Cerberus so important?
>Who is this Illusive Man guy?
>Why is Liara the Shadow Broker now?
>How did Wrex become the leader of the krogan?
>Who's this Mordin guy and why is he so important?
>Who's Legion? The geth can talk now?
>Who are all these other characters that Shepard seems to recognize for some reason?
People pretending like 2 adds nothing to the story are absolutely retarded.

>>750567325
>some of us connected with ryder and crew
>its a negro
I wouldnt be racist if they just didnt show evidence of being retarded so often.

>>750567584
>>The Reapers just suddenly arrived? How did that happen?
Go ahead then, post the explanation ME2 gave for the Reapers suddenly arriving. Why could they suddenly use other mass relays when ME1 said they would be stuck in dark space?

>>750567631
We see them start moving at the end of 2 and literally see them arrive at the edge of the galaxy in Arrival. It's dumb how fast they move but it's still better than them magically showing up at Earth with no explanation.

>>750567584
>Why is shepherd on trial
>how did the reapers suddenly arrive
>what happened to the original normandy
>why is cerberus so important
>who is this illusive man guy
>Why is liara the shadow broker now
Literally all of this was side plots and unimportant to the main story of mass effect from 1 - 3

Why did shepherd die just to be brought back to life
Why did the normandy get blown up just to give you another one
Why did they have to put shepherd on ice for a couple years to justify a time skip and have your crewmates scattered all over the universe - why not just, DO a timeskip?
Why make Shepherd not be in Alliance military allied with humans anymore and make him work with a terrorist organisation, just to once again make him alliance military and fight against the same terrorists in me3?

All the other new characters like mordin, edi, legion, are just characters you could introduce in me3. Saying "Yeah the plot was completely inconsequential but they introduced new characters that went on for the most part to do nothing of worth because the devs could never be certain if they surivved the suicide mission or not" does not mean me2 was important to the plot.

>>750567758
Ah thanks. So the insanely detailed explanation I missed by not playing ME2 is "they just drove there I guess"
Most of your points are like that by the way.
>why is Cerberus suddenly so important?
They just are
>how did Wrex become leader?
He just did
>how did Liara become the borker?
She just did
ME2 is shit

>>750567584
>Why is Shepard on trial?
DLC
>The Reapers just suddenly arrived? How did that happen?
DLC
>What happened to the original Normandy?
Lmao who cares, just a ship
>Who's EDI and why does Joker like her?
VIs been a thing in the series since 1
>Why is Cerberus so important?
Not explained in 2
>Who is this Illusive Man guy?
Who cares?
>Why is Liara the Shadow Broker now?
DLC
>How did Wrex become the leader of the krogan?
Not explained in 2
>Who's this Mordin guy and why is he so important?
He really isnt, litterally replacable if he dies in 2
>Who's Legion? The geth can talk now?
Geth talked in 1 and obviously could communicate since they worked for/with Saren and her big tiddy mindbroken asari mommy
>Who are all these other characters that Shepard seems to recognize for some reason?
You mean like the iconic ME2 character "gay call of duty man" and his gay shuttle pilot friend?

I think what you meant to say was ME2 DLC added some things, but 99% of ME2 is irrelevant to 3

>>750567813
>yeah none of it mattered except for all these plotlines and characters that carry over to 3
>b-but 3 could have just rushed to introduce all of them!
Stop being retarded.

>>750567905
>plotlines and characters
So you admit that ME2 did absolutely nothing for the actual galaxy-ending apocalpytic threat, it just introduced some characters? Thanks for conceding.

>>750567887
>>750567894
You being dismissive of plotlines/characters doesn't change the fact 2 introduced and developed so many things that carry over to 3.
If 2 didn't exist you would just complain that 3 felt even more rushed and lazy.

>>750567947
The Collectors are pawns of the Reapers no different from Saren and the geth.
We learn about how new Reapers are created and Harbinger is introduced as their leader. We see the Reapers launch their fleet to invade the galaxy.

>>750567971
Okay, so you're saying if the series suddenly made Cerberus go from a niche terrorist group to a shadow organization that rivals the Alliance between games, that would be incredibly rushed and lazy? So ME2 is rushed and lazy then

>>750567971
>less is less than more
these insights brought to (You) by the finest minds on /v/, on the next episode we will cover
>shit is still shit
Stay tuned!

Why can't the IP be handed off to another studio like Baldur's Gate was?

>>750568047
>that rivals the Alliance between
Anon ur being disingenious, Cerberus rivals the combines might of all other governments in the galaxy including the SA. Bitch ass Saren needed a Reaper to attack the Cuckadel, Timmy boy just did it.

>>750568026
>without ME2 we wouldn't know that Reapers are artificially created (we already knew this) or that they're coming (we already knew this)
Harbinger is not their leader by the way, why are you dicksucking a game you haven't played?

>>750568047
At least 2 establishes they're wealthy enough to resurrect Shepard, rebuild the Normandy, and have big projects like Overlord and the dead Reaper. 3 went too far giving them an entire army and making the Illusive Man crazy/indoctrinated but that's not the fault of 2.
>>750568048
Seethe more.

>>750559192
It's a conversation in circles with fake gamers. I can sniff them out easy. Some games just have a vibe. NBA2k, Fortnite, Roblox, Fallout, Elden Ring, etc. You know when you're talking to someone that just plays youtube advertisements.

>>750568064
The Baldur's Gate IP was never owned by Bioware/EA, it's owned by Wizards of the Coast so they can license it to whoever they want. Mass Effect is owned by EA so unless they decide to sell it or let someone else develop it it's never happening, and if you look at EA's history of killing IPs, good fucking luck.

>>750568156
>At least 2 establishes they're wealthy enough
I don't even know what kind of fallacy this is
>Cerberus suddenly can literally resurrect people after just being a terrorist group in 1
"This is okay, the game establishes this"
>Cerberus suddenly can wage wars after just being a terrorist group in 1
"Lazy and rushed, the game establishes this but it doesn't count"

>>750568115
>Reapers are artificially created (we already knew this)
Where in ME1 do they explain that Reapers are made from liquified organics? That Reapers have to harvest species to reproduce?
You yourself said that ME1 makes you think the Reapers are trapped in dark space/won't reach the galaxy for many years. 2 makes them a more urgent imminent threat.

>>750568218
Cerberus in 2 was a wealthy shadow organization, not a full on military.
The Illusive Man went from being George Soros to Big Boss.
Hope this helps.

>>750568223
You still haven't posted an explanation for why the Reapers can suddenly arrive faster. Your central claim is that if the Reapers were suddenly there between games, it would make no sense
Well, the Reapers are suddenly there between the end of ME2 and the start of the DLC. Explain that
Explain why they can suddenly use a mass relay.
I will not engage with your deflections further. You claimed that ME2 explains why the Reapers are suddenly there. Post the explanation

>>750568223
Ah so if in ME4 they establish that you also need to add strawberry jam to the organic goop thats (somehow) used to make metal machines you say that jam is very important to the setting?
You are getting really hung up on ulitimately trivial details autismbro

>>750559192
>jrpg disguised as a western space opera
>somehow starfield fullfills it's space travel fantasy better
Do people still talk about this series now?

>>750568278
Again, we see the Reapers launch their invasion fleet. Them moving so fast is dumb, I agree. But them suddenly appearing at Earth like you seem to want would be even more retarded. Shepard delaying their invasion by blowing up the Alpha Relay is a big deal buying the galaxy more time to prepare.

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>>750568465 >>750570315 >>750570510

I still can't believe they introduced a human reaper as the final boss and then retconned that they look like the species they harvest one DLC later

>>750568306
You're free to not like it but it's an important part of explaining the Reapers. They're not just robots, they're organic/synthetic hybrids.

>>750568397
So the explanation is "there was a shot of the fleet"
The entirety of ME2 saying nothing of the Reapers arriving quicker is irrelevant, but a 1 second shot at the very end of the DLC adequately explains it?
Elaborate on why ME3 saying "oh shit the Reapers launched an invasion fleet and got here faster" is not valid, but a shot showing it at the end of the ME2 DLC is valid. No more (you)s either way since you're either baiting or retarded

>>750568413
It would have been cool if every Reaper looked unique depending on the species they harvested. But that would have taken too much effort. Easier to just copy and paste squids.

>>750568460
You would hate ME3 even more if 2 never existed. This is a fact. Thanks for understanding.

>>750559563
Nice zoomer chart

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>>750568760 >>750568823

This pistol doesn't have a thermal clip.

>>750568115
>Harbinger is not their leader by the way
He is though? Or at least he's the one always shittalking Shepard like Sovereign did.

>>750566750
That quote of Tolkien's about them not being able to create only deface, to a tee

>>750568680
This made millions of boomers shit and piss their pants with rage.

>>750568680
Is there a single gameplay change in a vidya franchise that raped the lore as hard as this did? I don't even care that it's dumbed down or whatever, I enjoyed the combat (especially in 3) a lot
But they went from "ok what would the military be like if Eezo existed" to "ok we need more epic shootan just like COD, let's adjust the lore for that"

>>750568760
>be dead for 2 years
>The first words he says is he can't find a thermal clip
>something that didn't exist before he died
Don't give me the copies of:
Thermal clip technology came to him in a coma dream?
Oh he didn't use them on that side of the galaxy?
Alliance banned thermal clips?
Yeah nah

>>750568896
You're being facetious. He was part of the cleanup operations raping Geth for months, they introduced clips during that timeframe

>>750559192
My problem is exodus looks like Andromeda, made by ex bioware devs, suggesting they think they have unfinished business there, which means exodus will be shit in the exact same way. It's even more of a fantasy rpg too, we're never getting a good sci fi rpg ever again.

>>750568956
Literally two weeks

>>750568823
They just needed to make guns feel stronger and shorten the cooldown time to be as long as a reload animation.
The Lancer in 3 feels so fucking good.

>>750568973
People love to suck off Drew Karpyshyn as the real genius behind Mass Effect. Will be funny to see people turn on him if Exodus is disappointing.

>>750566878
I wish I could leave his as on virmire

>>750559192
Mass effect was much less disappointing than dragon age but it was still a chore to get through despite the setting and concept appealing to me. I never even considered playing the second one, even though your progress carrying over seemed cool.

>>750559192
No

>>750569150
Daily reminder that ME2 literally shipped with a lore-friendly thermal clip system where you can still let your weapons cool down, or use a limited amount of thermal clips as fast reloads, but playtesters found it too confusing

>>750569194
The combat gets a lot better in 2 and especially 3.

>>750569174
The bar is really low after Andromeda and cyberpunk. If it's functional at launch people will forgive romancing a awoken squid mech that calls you a faggot every 5 seconds

>>750569150
Gameplay was pretty good in 3 when you only had a pistol, cool downs were almost instant because they were inversely proportional to the load out weight
ME3s load out was amazing, unlike the absolute ass 2's was. What you get when console retards can't grasp inventory management

>>750569194
The combat gets a lot worse in 2, but much better in 3.

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>>750569227
The industry really needs to crash

>>750569227
That could have been annoying to balance. I could see them either giving you too many thermal clips which made the cooldown pointless or not giving you enough so you constantly run out and are forced to wait for long cooldowns.

>>750569345
>forced to wait for long cooldowns
You mean playing tactically, like in ME1? Zoomers are too fucking funny

>>750569242
Sadly we can't romance the octopussy. Maybe in the sequel they'll pull a Tali with her because of popular demand.

>>750569372
They weren't global cool downs in ME1, it was per skill

>>750569437
>can't even fucking read one post of context
Zoomers are too fucking funny

>>750569372
They're the ones that wanted to make Mass Effect into a real third person shooter.

>>750563589
This is the insane part to me. I'm counting posts. I'm collecting the numbers, and the numbers don't lie. The woke movement would 100% work if those that championed it would purchase the products, goods and services that include the core elements of their beliefs.
>Leftist don't have money
no... I don't think that's it. There is something else going on here. consumer habits aren't that hard to follow.

>>750569249
>Vanguard
>as heavy a shotgun as I can carry (at the end of the game I could use a Wraith without penalizing my cooldowns IIRC)
>have squadmate use warp on enemy
>charge, biotic explosion
>shoot once, with inferno rounds of course
>nova, fire explosion
>shoot again
>charge is off cooldown
>repeat

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>>750569508
It was so good, bros...

>>750569490
Andromed and Veilguard were just shit games even if you removed the gayness and made every character attractive. Even the woke audience wasn't interested in them.

>>750569305
But is industry crashing outside of the woke retards in most 3A studios? Those are getting culled but normal ones will mostly survive if they have good games.

>>750563727
Nah the combat in 1 sucks, every gun in the same class is functionally identical, you use one shotgun you've used them all.

Ammo mods as RNG drops are also cancer

>>750569569
I fucking hated the combat in ME:A, and I'm a certified ME3 enjoyer
Never even made it off the first planet

>>750569570
Yet they came for id software, one of the most technically competent developers out there.

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>>750569614
It was unmatched kino

>>750569626
Sure thing, anon. id was one of the most technically competent devs, in exactly the same way as Bioware was one of the foremost RPG devs
25 years ago

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>>750569249
For me, it was chaining headshots with the Black Widow. Never stopped being satisfying.

>>750569614
Don't care, still having fun running a full Biotic squad to levitate all enemies at once and juggling them with HE rounds

>>750569693
I am old enough to remember when developers made their own engines
I hate consolidation

>>750559192
Not really, eyeballtank

>>750569619
It had some cool ideas with letting you pick any powers, the gun customization letting you mod in ME1 style cooldowns, the new melee weapons, and the jetpack.
But only having three powers at a time, not being able to direct your squadmates anymore, and enemies being bullet sponges were mistakes.

>>750569742
manguard, adept, and infiltrator are my favorites
no ranking between them either, I'd gladly do a full playthrough with any of those at any time
never liked engineer much, for the sole reason that cryo takes a second until it actually applies due to the freezing animation
so while an adept can just spam pull + throw all day and clear out all mooks, the engie has to wait for each one to slowly freeze before incinerating it for the explosion

>>750569626
Latest Doom was mid, and Asha came with a mandate to make it Xbox profitable again so they paid the price. And we're looking at other waves of layoffs in Xbox again.

>>750569853
Weird how the only time your class ever gives you a unique choice is if you're an Engineer in the Omega DLC. I wish biotic Shepard was able to use his powers in cutscenes.

>>750569419
I always wanted to fuck the Quarian. What is up with the vibrant color gamut too? Looks like outer worlds which was also a gay faggot fest, which at least you could tell your retarded companions to fuck off and play 100% solo

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>>750570012
>I wish biotic Shepard was able to use his powers in cutscenes
same

>>750570003
They might retererererelease Skyrim one more time yet they won't kill Bethesda

>>750570060
I always hit the bottle

>>750570116
no shit nigga
what kinda faggot would miss on purpose

>>750570147
It makes your best bro happier. You don't have to be #1 in everything.

>>750568428
sure thing autism bro, by the same logic all fuel is organic because it comes from oil which used to be living creatures.
Is a high end car an organic/synthetic because it has carbon fiber chairs and humans are carbon based lifeforms?

Melting people into goop was one of the dumbest ways they could have expained the machine/organic meld

>>750570221
>lying to your best bro because muh depression
absolutely gay, treating him like a chick

>>750570147
Countless faggots
I have a playthrough where Garrus died in 2, 3 played exactly the same

>>750568413
I figured the core systems were in the shape of the species the Reaper is made from and the giant squid outer hull is basically a flying coffin.

>>750570253
They should have made it so only Infiltrators have the marksmanship to hit the bottle.

>>750570315
Yes that is the retcon they went with when they realized they're too lazy to actually make different Reapers. "It's just the core"

>>750570275
It's a lot more depressing without your most loyal bro who's been with you through everything.

>>750570360
Bro, your soldier? Arguably even has better aim cause adrenaline rush lasts longer than the automatic slow-mo when zooming in as an infiltrator
It's okay to forget soldier exists, happens to me all the time

>>750570085
I'm sure Todd wanted to, they were told to make TES6, and Obsidian got told to drop all their shit and start making next Fallout. If any of them bomb they'll likely consolidate more and go through more closures. And if they continue with woke retardations i'm welcoming it.

>>750570385
He's too forced in you

>>750559192
>more like ASS EFFECT

>>750567905
You never had to introduce any of them. They could have had a Geth leader in 3
You could have had a random salarian curing the genophage in 3

In fact, you CAN because Legion and Mordin can both die and not make it to 3. None of what happens in 2 has any bearing on 3.

Im not saying slap 1 and 3 together and cut out 2, im saying we should have had a 2 that actually carried the plot between the games instead of a side quest recruiting literal whos for a bigger sidequest.

>>750570361
You see the giant armada of squid Reapers at the end of the base game immediately after you fight the human Reaper you fucking retard.

>>750570407
Obsidian needs to go too

>>750570315
>>750568413
>>750570361
>Make giant space cthulu
>Cant be bothered to actually design and model space cthulus
>Just make massive army of space cuttlefish instead

Bioware deserve every bit of shit that has happened to them

>>750569249
The inventory management was fine, in fact i much preferred the armor system in 1

I hated that all guns were the same and 2 and 3 fixed this

>>750570451
He's as forced as Liara, Tali, or Wrex are.

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>>750570543
Don't get me started in Liara

>>750570465
>you never had to introduce good characters
I'm glad you're not a real writer.

>>750570516
2 really had the worst of everything
Worst plot
Worst inventory/class/loadout system
Least impactful choices
Least chances to actually role play

If you want to do a playthrough of the trilogy now 2 feels like the "Wtf are we doing here, why are we doing this" filler episode.

>>750570578
You are completely misunderstanding the point.

Yes Mordin and Legion were good characters. I liked them. That doesn't mean ME2 had a good plot or was important to the overall story.

Jesus christ I feel like I'm asking you how you'd feel if you didnt have breakfast this morning

>>750570619
The Suicide Mission and who lives or dies on it are the most impactful choices in the whole trilogy.

>>750570671
The large majority of 3's plot (everything with Cerberus, Tuchanka, and Rannoch) rely on things that were set up in 2. The dark energy plotline was also established before they gave up on it and replaced it with organics vs synthetics at the last second.

>>750570490
In essence they already are. Only reason they were absorbed into Bethesda is Todds laziness and refusing to make TES6 and a Fallout games. Obsidian was only kept because they made New Vegas 15 or so years ago. All their other projects were stopped and they got told to make a Fallout game. And Todd was told to make a TES6. If each of them fails they're kaputt.

>>750570682
>Meet jacob in 2
>Does nothing all game but momentarily cry about his dad then continues to do nothing
>Put him in the vent
>He dies
>No consequence in 3

>Dont put him in the vent
>Romance him
>He cheats on you and gets another girl pregnant
>Has no major role in 3

One of the first 2 squad mates you get btw.
It's like this for the entire game.

>Kill Samara to save Morinth
>Morinth does not appear in 3 even if she survives the suicide mission
>Sends you an email saying she dipped out of your ship in the opening
>Appears as a generic enemy in the final mission
>Literally no impact on anything substantial because Samara is dead due to your actions

CHOICES THAT MATTER

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>>750570682
Nah you just get replacement NPCs in 3
And with Garrus dying you get nothing at all

>>750570682
Its amazing how nostalgia-blind people are about ME2

>>750570849
>Talizorah
Laziness or did they figure an apostrophe would look too dumb in that font?

>>750570842
>duh prize
Jacob was always a joke.
>but muh plot importance!
I just want more likable characters who are cool or sexy, man. Them having more screentime after surviving is a good thing. Losing them makes the game feel emptier.

>>750570772
>Cerberus, Tuchanka, Rannoch
Explain why these hinged on ME2 events. Becuase you only go to Tuchanka for Grunts loyalty and the Tuchanka plot is about a krogan female and doesnt really change if Grunt is there or not. The bigger impact is whether Wrex is leader because he survived 1 or not.
>Cerberus
The cerberus plot in 3 makes less sense than if it had just followed on from 1. Because they spend the entire time in 2 trying to justify cerberus as a "morally grey, actually not as bad as you think" faction in 2, and even give you several chances to side with TIM. Only for them to become a full "For the evulz" corrupted faction in 3.

>>750570849
>>750570930

>>750570930
>Jacob was always a joke
But that was by accident. Bioware writers thought they were writing a cool, sexy, empowered black man romance interest.

>>750570772
>Dark energy plotline
It was very obvious from 1 that 2 was going to revolve around geth, with the motivation of the reapers still unexplained. It feels like we were robbed of even a sequel, where something sci fi -y could be eventually explained, but no, end the series in 2 shitty games.

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>>750571029 >>750571078

Before you call me an edgy faggot, this is a roleplaying game

Drell are lowkey retarded. You can tell they were written with women in mind

>>750570995
edgy faggot
I thought Zaeed can die too during his loyalty missions

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>>750559192
>mass effect has been dead and buried to anyone who gives a shit
>bioware still parades its corpse around once a decade for a nonexistent target audience
>studio naturally goes under
>whatever faggot shit they were working on is suddenly a life changing watershed title full of detail that was going to course correct the series - for real this time!
why are gaymers so gullible?

>>750570935
Bro, Mordin's loyalty mission and finding a cure for the genophage in Maelon's research? Eve dies without it.
How would Cerberus becoming so powerful even more suddenly have been better? At least 2 lays some groundwork for that and introduces the Illusive Man who goes on to become the secondary antagonist.

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>>750571029
I purposefully made it so he was the only one surviving at the end of ME3, fuck you that's funny

>>750559192
Ohh no, we don't get another Andromeda
How tragic, anyways kys tranny

>>750570995
Nothing wrong with a good old fashioned murderhobo run

>>750571042
For me its the people going
>Hecking capitalism killed bioware!
Yes people who can't provide a decent service tend to lose their companies. That's capitalism baby

>>750570928
Everyone forgot how to pronounce her name in 2 so...

>>750570968
Wasn't the original plan to have the geth resurrect Shepard at the beginning of 2?
I'm glad we still got Legion but he really needed more screentime.

>>750571073
Can't you do his loyalty mission after the suicide run? Can you kill him then and have literally no one left?

>>750571019
They're a slave race basically. Thane is still cool.

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>>750559192
Doesn't it feel like the trailers and wallpapers from previous years had absolutely nothing to do with the game they leaked a week ago?

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>>750571143
I guess so but I did the 'only I made it out that day' meme and I wanted Liara to die
Botched somehow so Grunt was around idk
I wanted the party to be depressing as

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>>750559506
>after 2 it fell off a cliff, even though 2 itself was kino, 10/10 and elevated the franchise
You colossal fucking retard, 2 ruined everything.

>>750559192
ME1 was the only good one,
ME2 already showed the wrong direction,
ME3 was like a diarrhea sprayed on the whole series straight out of the source,
Didn't bother with the rest.

>>750571226
No one leaked anything, it was an AI trailer

>>750571226
Seems like they were trying to go for more Andromeda before realizing people just want ME2 again.

>>750571120
I have no idea, I haven't seen anything about 2's development, but;

>you destroy a large armada of geth, the likes of which have never been seen outside the veil
>Sovereign(retrospectively claimed to be geth) talked to you
>you're the rockstar of the galaxy for having thwarted the attack
>you have an admirals daughter on pilgrimage on your ship during these events

There is no way a sequel to this does not revolve around the geth-quarian conflict, they could have picked other conflicts to entangle in the plot like the human-turian conflict, the genophage, but they chose this one.

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>>750571226
trailers and wallpaper promo material always mean nothing

>>750571358
>SOS
>it's some asari matriarch writing

>>750568110
>Bitch ass Saren needed a Reaper to attack the Cuckadel
No he didn't , Sovereign flies in specifically after the attack once Saren can close the Citadel's arms.
>Timmy boy just did it
How do retards still don't get TIM's plan for the coup? Hint: it wasn't to take over the station by force.

>>750568265
Cerberus in 2 were a retconned mess that derailed the franchise and ruined it.

>>750571424
Does that change the fact he could simply attack the Citadel?

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>>750571416
kek

>>750559732
You're a fucking retard.

>>750571416
>Matriarch Dilinaga's steamy VI
We need more of those for better cultural understanding of Asari

>>750571348
Ideally Mass Effect could have been like an anthology series with every game focusing on resolving a different type of conflict
>Quarian/Geth war game
>curing the Genophage game
>humans vs Batarians game
>Asari conspiracy game
>Cerberus game
>Shadow Broker game

>>750571474
Working for them was way more interesting than The Council or The Alliance. Wasted potential.

>>750571571
We've been saying for almost 2 decades now that this amazing setting was wasted on games all about countering an undefeatable galactic threat (where the ending was always gonna be retarded, since the threat was written as undefeatable to begin with)

>>750571571
>humans vs Batarians game
Ah, so the third one would still he doomed to be a CoD game, except the sandniggers have 4 eyes this time

>>750559703
>>750559506
>>750564618
>>750565304
>>750565013
>thread about the cancelled ME game
>the ME2 schizo uses it to continue his unhinged persecution complex over his shit game ruining the franchise
It really is wild once you notice the copypasted arguments thread to thread, fuck me.

>>750571621
No it wasn't you contrarian imbecile.

>>750571646
But people still get really mad at 2 for not focusing on muh Reapers enough.

>>750571691
Shouldnt you be more concerned about all the stop signs that keep following you around scizbro?

>>750571751
Nice disingenuous argument

>>750559456
That why it remained incredibly popular for 15 years and the demaster was a huge success?

>>750571735
>getting constant phonecalls from The Council whining about how you handled a situation was way better bro
Nah the Illusive Man actually had aura and complimented Shepard for willing to get his hands dirty.

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>>750559506
>even though 2 itself was kino, 10/10 and elevated the franchise and then took it even higher
There's people out there that unironically believe this.

>had aura
Dude's baiting

>>750571805
This whole thread is people crying about muh Reapers not getting enough development in 2.
They were always the least interesting part of the setting. Sovereign being vague and calling you a dummy was lazy writing. There was never going to be a satisfying way to defeat them.

ME had only one decent game (ME1).
Why is everyone larping like this is some hige loss for the hobby?

>>750571854
Everyone loved The Illusive Man before he went full retard in 3.

>>750571691
Probably still mad about his Shepard fanfic not coming true when the Universe trailer leaked. Thread couple days ago was pretty funny seeing him drop his spaghetti for several hours.

>>750559192
No they won't Mass Effect is a dead franchise it will be for gotten by the end of next month.

>>750571830
Brownsister...

>Studio hasnt made a decent game since ME2 arguably ME3
>Aka 14 years ago
>Normies are acting shocked and in uproar over studio shut down

Why are normies like this? Like I get EA is shit, but its objectively a no brainer decision.
Is it just NA cucks who are being retarded?
Their legacy the past decade has litterally been not being able to live up to ppls nostalgia. Who gives a fuck.

>>750571879
You know just as well as I do the difference between a setting that shouldn't have had the Reapers and Shepard fucking off to do stupid shit after the Reapers have been written in
Like I said, disingenuous. Keep trying to somehow turn this around for ME2, I'm out