Do you really solve a puzzle if you just fiddle around until you determinate possible limited moves instead of actually using your brain
>>750552652>determinateGOOD MORNING STAAAR
what the fuck
>4 part alter + yellow beam tutorial level>it's actually 3 parts and final fucking troll layoutMasterfully done. Wasted so much time.
>>750552652Faffing about is useful to play with new mechanics, but if you want to quickly solve the puzzles, planning how to approach the problem is better and more rewarding.
I want to eat skipping stones!
Why is the bard such unintuitive bullshit. I just want to go on a boat ride.
>>750553356This but lillipad
Where do I even start here. Is there some new mechanic I'm supposed to discover?
>>750554082no new mechanics, you should know both guys can push things and what the beams do
>>750554187>both guys can push thingsThat's a gemcuck.
>>750554082Play around for a bit.
>620 puzzles done>65 hours in>Manage to, by the grace of god, do the upper red puzzle>It can't possibly be>There's just no way>It's another fucking floorWith another bunch of meters. I don't know if it's 4 or 6. I don't care. My spirit is brokenI want off mr blow's wild ride. I ain't gonna make it.
>>750554453>>620 puzzles done>>65 hours inhow are you niggas so fast
>>750554453
>>750554258>>750554187Figured it out. Somehow I stared at this for like 30 minutes without ever realizing I could just push the gem
>>750554474I have streaks in which puzzles take seconds or a minute then every now and then I get stuck on a puzzle, ill get real frustrated, leave the game, then come back 15 min later and solve it in less than 5 min.I do have a bit of a competition with a friend on who does better so I don't ever leave the game idling, which probably contributes to good times in the long run. I'm winning by FAR
idk
>>750554453It would be pretty awesome to discover the sky world and underworld for the first time. I was spoiled long ago by watching Jon on Twitch, but the full extent of those areas was unknown to me
>>750554912Sky would be a surprise, but once you're aware there's a 2nd map, then the existence of a 3rd should be obvious if you recall the Exit. You even get a reminder after endgame 2.
>>750554794just a little back and forth
>>750554794Actually thanks for the reminder because I meant to ask about this but I didn't back then.Did vid related get removed from the game? It's technically not a spoiler, it's just something you can do at that very point in the game, but I did it when I went through that stage, yet it seems to be gone in newer versions? Like you can still *do that*, you just don't see the same thing.It's strange to me because it seems like THAT is exactly what the deadwaters are? Right when they are mentioned?>>750554912It's wild to me that the trailers showed tridimensional maps. I had no idea those were in. Kinda weird to show that kind of thing?
>>750554187>no new mechanicpretty sure this is the first time you learn that yellow beam touch can propagate through blocks
>>750555598>Did vid related get removed from the game?That's an out of bounds bug.>trailer revealsIt's not too specific about where you find them, fortunately. It is a pretty big reveal, I'll say.
>>750555746>That's an out of bounds bug.With screen transitions?Specifically when talking about this thing that "shines like polished onyx, dead flat as far as you can see" ?From which people don't come back?I just find it hard to believe
>>750555847It's just a weird coincidence. The ocean plane doesn't extend infinitely, just far out enough that you don't see where it ends. Just a mess up. The reason you can't do that anymore is because it was a mistake they patched.
I got stuck on some puzzles for half an hour and probably wasted 2 on navigation but here i am I think this is average
>>750553356Me too especially the light blues and red ones
>>750536174>you're at exactly the same place as meI did that puzzle like 10-15 hours ago. I replayed it specifically to record that solution.
>>750552848This was fuckin stupid, I'm not even sure I did it right.
Introduction of Z axis looks more intimidating than it actually is
>>750552848The timing on this one is annoying.
>>750556119It's generally really not that bad, a good amount of maps are still 2D in a way, in the sense that you are not really moving stuff vertically much, you are just either stacking or just dropping stuff here and there, it only gets bad when there's some weird as fuck interaction that you are somehow supposed to know and then you waste half an hour because aha you see the very specific way to do this thing you need in this puzzle is THIS which wasn't really mentioned or shown at any point LMAOGETBENTThis is the exception rather than the norm but I'm baffled that Jon Blow, the guy who gets mad at fucking title screens, came up with this shit
After i saw bunch of people talk about A monster's expedition, i checked it outi definitely prefer variety and interactions in OSS
>>750556381Most puzzle games are gay and pander to "comfy" heckin doggo millennials instead of seriously pushing the limits of the genre. Just play Stephen's Sausage Roll, Baba is You, Patrick's Parabox, and Jack Lance's puzzlescript games outside of this.
>>750556319post an example
i don geddit :(
Shadow of the Erdtree vibes
>>750556381A monster's expedition is one mechanic played out extremely thoroughly. It also has many iterations of the same puzzle a few times in a row, which is nice in a quick gratification sort of way. You finish 5 islands and then get hit with a hard one. OSS on the other hand is many varied mechanics, but there are tons of potential puzzles and mechanic ideas left undone.
>>750556007after the first ending the main challenge is accessing the next puzzle.
>>750556649i gedded it :)
here are the ones I'm stuck on, progress in overworld is blocked. Also I can see a dark blue beamcaster in one of the unexplored areas, am I crazy or is that something not introduced in any of the puzzles yet?
>>750556967Second one is simplejust think of what other levels taught you and use thatAnd now i think about it first one is also pretty simple just do the obvious third one is definitely a brainer
>>750557120ironically I just figured out the third one, but the first in particular I feel the only possibility is to get the mirror on the lilypad but there's no way to make it go right after I do
>>750556967Dark blue exists yeah. It'll be a while until that though. Honestly it's not a very exciting effect either>>750557162Nah mirror stays on the island. You are probably not using the mirror enough though
>>750557162first one is really simpleno complex timing stuff
>>750556967just do this
>>750557206oh god I was overthinking the first one so much, thankfully the trick of skipping the stone past the lilypad was among the things I figured out in my wrong approach
>>750557351whoa, there are multiple solutions to this? I did it by timing a rock just right to be able to pull it down right as I got the extra block of the exit to move in, with a 1 block offset to push the lilypad I was on back right for the other character
>>750557438That's the intended way, webm is an unintended alternative that requires some precise movement to get the sailor onto the exit.
>>750557206>Honestly it's not a very exciting effect eitherOBJECTIVE TIER LIST:S: RainbowA: GreenB: Orange, WhiteC: Yellow, PurpleD: Cyan, RedF: Blue
>>750557615I would switch purple and orange, bump yellow down to D.Now do one for altered beams.
>>750552652>want to take my time and enjoy the game>worried the threads will be gone and I won't be able to talk about the game if I don't hurry up
>>750557718Take your time.
>>750557718I had a moment a few days ago where I got home from work and jumped right into the game, opened the catalog and couldn't find a thread. So I told myself "I guess it's just me and the game now" and enjoyed myself for hours.Don't sweat it, we'll be around, and when we're not, just enjoy your peace and quiet with the game.
>>750557615Purple and Green mog so unbelievably hard. Orange has its moments but often times can get annoiying
>>750557671>>750558067Purple and Orange both share the position of being an obstacle as often as they're a tool, but Purple remains overly simplistic for the entire game if you ask me. Orange gets far more creative with how you apply it, and that endgame level where you crank up a six-way teleporter has to boost it a tier on its own.>>750557671I don't remember what altered Green or Cyan do.
>>750558247I'm not sure if altered green is used, or at least I haven't found it, but altered cyan/strong makes you pull instead of push. This is why your first encounter with it, along with altered red restoring energy gates, makes people think it's an inversion beam[/spoiler[
>>750558315
>>750557718Right now, the amount of people who have completely beat the game is below 0.1% anon.The amount of people in the latter stages of the game is around 0.1%.It'll be a while. If threads stop happening it'd be because people got bored anyway.
>>750558315>>750558361Check out this bravado from The Miner in one of the early Heroes and Beams levels. "I've got this!" And then The Warrior does all of the work by himself. Amazing.
There's a gate on map 3 that is unlocked from map 1. That's annoying.
>>750558994The levels are so worth it though. >>750556662
>>750558875Don't be disingenuous. The Miner has to get that gem out of the corner.
Man how long is this game? I'm 12 hours in and I've only just gotten to the Heroes + Ship section. I'm surprised at how much content there is.
>>750559791You're probably about 50% of the way through the game.Just kidding, you're probably 25% of the way through the world map.Then there's vastly more beyond that.
>>750559440Thirsty work.
>>750559859Fuck I already feel like a dumbass for how many times I blanked out on the obvious solution. Another 50 hours minimum of that is insane (yeah I'm slow). Great value for the game at least.
>>750560076>I already feel like a dumbass for how many times I blanked out on the obvious solution.You're in the right place. We do that all the time here.
>>750552652Stinking saar? Please no
>>750553704kek i took one look at the second puzzle there and immediately leftfucking hate bard+water+stones
>>750552848Notice the suspicious hole in the fence
All I have left is high meta puzzle and the two "warning difficult and unrewarding" levels, cleared everything else available to me. This might be a good jumping off point for me untill some time next year
Did not spend one picosecond thinking about this, just read the level from front to back and solved it in 5 seconds, I don't even know what I did.
>>750560338>>750553704On the contrary, these were some of my favorite levels in the underworld. That 3 chain down the gate path setup is fucking annoying though
>>750560435Yeah a handful are "why is this even a puzzle" levels. They could have used the idea here as the basis for something more challenging.Presumably you just use the orange beams on opposite sides of the wall to skip the crystal stone through it, and then orange beam over to the bottom path? No catch whatsoever here?
>>750560619You can't skip it through the orange beams, but pretty close.
>>750560619I'll go further and say that by the time you are in this level, you will already be well-aware of >>750560695 (since that's the point of the area), so you're even more primed to just do what it's asking.
The cuck council will decide your fate.
>>750560695I meant down. Like you set up the beams along the top and bottom edges of the wall, go back to the stone, get it up top, skip it down through the thing and into the gap. Crystal stones interact with orange beams once they hit them so it would jump through the wall, yes?
>>750560818No. What's happening will become clear once you get to the areas leading up to this one. Skipping stones stop skipping when caught in the orange beam, since they cannot fall two spaces.
>>750559791
>>750560938Was there any level where you have to make a stone skip on water two tiles beneath it using orange beams?
>>750560938Huh, okay. I did a handful of stones/beams levels in this area but not all of them. I'll see what the rub is when I come back here.
>>750561006This is the hole that leads to that series, and again, you're pretty close.
>>750560817I liked beamcasters quiet little "oh god" the first time you kill them all.
>>750561004I'd been theorizing but I haven't seen one yet. I'd probably expect something like that in world 3.
>>750561156Mine was the warrior, I think they may each have a contextual voiceline? Pretty neat.
>>750561110Oh, gotcha. Looks like I still need to complete a couple Stones, Illuminated levels to break the crystal before the hole. There are many odds and ends like this I've left for the time being because there's just so much I want to chew through.
whoaaaaa....
>>750561349what two other sokoban base games would be worthy of inclusion in this one?
>>750561383Obviously, Stephen's Sausage Roll should be one of them.
>>750561627At the very least, Jon could include two or multi-block entities. That would be sort of SSS-like. Pushmo and Crashmo are very nice games in this regard. Some of the 3D levels reminded me of those.
>>750561383the goat
>>750561850whats that
so the intended trick here was to sacrifice the mirror, right? cuz last time I did that it was an exploitI wonder if there's gonna be a level about sacrificing mirror then mirroring underwater blocks
this one was pure trial and error for me, how are you supposed to know exactly how to do it?
>>750563646I think the stone's movement can be predicted from the spacing of the mirrors and you're supposed to just count tiles and make sure your x and y offsets fit. But fuck that, I just guessed until it worked.
>>750563610It looks like you can place the mirror on the lily pad, send it down with the stone from left to right, mirror yourself from the from left to bottom and redirect the lily pad before it reaches the land./spoiler]
I'm too stupid for this game.
>>750563987this game (make me feel) stupid as hell mane
>>750552652well the art of subtlety is dead, so the overwhelming majority of puzzles today only give you feedback on what not to do. which requires you to make mistakes, so to some extent you are brute forcing the puzzle. i noticed destiny 2 is really bad about this.
Man everything you might do to solve this puzzle is carefully pre-empted and off by 1 so it's impossible.And why the lily pad? You can't put the crystal on it without losing the one method of moving it. Teleporting onto it is impossible without losing sacrificing the mirror which is obviously needed to get to the end. And it can't go anywhere useful anyway.
>>750552848>crystal inside robotwhat the FUCK which layer is that
>>750565428>tfw solved this earlier today but I don't remember the solutioni need to slow down and appreciate the puzzles more...
>>750557313>redirect the streamsnope, can't make it do a full turn and it wouldn't touch the island anyway>swap the stone while it's skippingnope, no pushable paths intersect the mirror in a way that can push the pad towards the island, and even then I would still need to get it back somehow
>>750565428Fun puzzle.
wtf am I even supposed to do? I get that its some cellular automata game of life thing but it's so janky and awful to even parse what is happening on the screen
>open level>see this>motivation levels plummet>do some very basic diagonal calculations and then mind numbing trial and error my way to victoryI don't know what it is about stones x mirrors but the levels are either absolute kino or dogshit with no inbetween
stone x mirror is super trial and error but I still feel big brain after completing one, they look intimidating but aren't that bad
>>750566178Pocket size confirmed!
>>750567312what did they/them mean by this
>>750563987Stick at it, Keep playing it, the JAI code will self modify to your needs.
WOAH
I'm stuck on an overworld puzzle.
>the things you stand on to enter puzzles are STARSmind == BLOWn
>>750568568>most puzzles are solved by putting blocks in ORDER or building bridges by SINKING them into waterJonjima-sama... I-I... my kn-knees...
?? I spent way too long on this one just because the timing is annoying and according to the preview mirror it looks like she's gonna fall in the water but actually no??
>>750568976That's just her reflection. It doesn't actually have forward momentum.
>>750569131shouldn't she be falling here? it just feels wrong and jank
>>750568976This is perfectly logical
Looks neat. I'll probably buy it when I finish my guideless playthrough of baba
I'm feeling clever.
I'm feeling retarded
I seriously hate these levels where you have to slow motion everything
>doing a big yellow star makes a new small star appear>it's just a one off optional? puzzle harder than the big star, doesn't unlock anything in the overworldsome stuff just feels weird and random
>>750566178this isn't even the harder variation lol
>>750571051I've been a bit confused by things like this, I tend to suspect things are changing that I haven't noticed or are misattributing.
>>750566045now I see why people were mentioning writing it down on paper.
>mirrors don't press down buttonsthis doesn't make sense.
>>750571051either that or>something gets unlocked by a puzzle halfway across the world
>>750565428>You can't put the crystal on it without losing the one method of moving it.You can.
if you tried to have penis in vagina sex with Tif would it work or not? I guess so long as you moved your penis her automatic pulling wouldn't trigger.
>>750563610>I wonder if there's gonna be a level about sacrificing mirror then mirroring underwater blocksI solved one this way but idk if it was intended.
>>750571248But they do?
>>750552652>Do you really solve a puzzle if you just fiddle around until you determinate possible limited moves instead of actually using your brainif you do it entirely inside your head I think it counts
>>750568062Miracle is going in my official report!
>beat level>look at second monitor>look back>no idea what changed on overworldevery single time
>>750571117difficulty has nothing to do with it nigga. it's just a shit level
favourite voice? i like the wizard, also that one audiolog of explorer becoming disillusioned with Quigley was really well delivered
>>750572693not really, maybe you need to train your intuition instead of doing math.
>>750571873 425 puzzles in I might be coping but i use my brain when puzzles are actually Clever but when it's just matter of finding the right path and order i don't care as much until i am forced to like that 4 clone one where you had to make sure rocks don't get synced
>>750572807>Dont doubt the doughnutI like the boat, same voice actor as Deithard from code geass
>>750573124i would call this one clever >>750570836because you have to use all the tools you learned about too get things right
>>750573124I will usually look at a level and>figure out the win condition>guess what core mechanic the developer wants me to use>look at what I can do right nowand then everything in-between is just how quick I can figure out the steps through trial and error
>>750573526>trail and erroryou didn't solve the puzzle
>>750573526I think there's more interesting problem solving like skipping stones with mirrors and getting gems then there's more SokabanI don't care as much for basic sokaban
>>750573625I bet I'm faster than you
>>750573672meaningless. If you make a move before knowing the solution you didn't solve it. This would be like allowing chess players to make a move then take it back when their opponent responds. See how stupid that would be?Regardless, I've solved 478 puzzles in 14.5 hours.
>>750573752>I've solved 478 puzzles in 14.5 hours.oh so you're using a guidethen you definitely didn't solve the puzzle
>>750573804>using a guideprojection lmao. You're just a brainlet.
>>750573672I bet i can lat raise more than you
>>750573895lol you wish
>>750574031You've already confirmed you are of inferior genetic stock and are a habitual liar. I shan't be responding to any more of your nonsense. Have a sad life.
>>75057403130lbs in each hand but my bench press is pretty shitty
>>750574127you're strangely upset anon. is it because you know you lied?
>>750573752>meaningless. If you make a move before knowing the solution you didn't solve it. This would be like allowing chess players to make a move then take it back when their opponent responds. See how stupid that would be?you have posted the actual truth. Are there people here who actually just press buttons until the puzzle gets solved? LMAO
>>750574140yeah you just reminded me I need to get back into gym. my lifts are awful compared to a year ago.
>>750574440Have a nice day man
>>750552652more like order of the stinking saar, am i right? ok, i'll show myself out.
>>750574823What's his sokoban power?
ascension lorewho's the other warehouse guy that surprises Sokoban/audiolog dude? he shows up in Charmed Stacks area
>>750574884repels everything that gets too close to him due to his powerful aroma
tell me why this doesn't work
>>750575506Green beams won't let you go through fences
why is there a bug mask from hollow knight in top right corner?also i'm filtered by this one
>>750575506Can only enter walls from the same axis as the green beam.
>>750575506Green doesn't let you go through fences and you only get the power of a beam when standing in it so you cant teleport into the wall with that setup
>>750565619world 2
>>750575704would make a killer mobile game advert
>>750575649>gemcuck trappedtypicalthat ones also not that hard, its just looks imposing
>>750573752>>750574298Chess is literally trial and error. Every time you play a match with an opponent is a trial. Each time you lose is an error.
>jon has to keep on trapping the gemBVLL because he's just that fucking powerful
the unique IP counter for this thread is now 2. for anyone lurking. you're not going insane.
>>750575860me and jon blow
>>750575742i'm pretty sure i should be insulted but i'm not sure how
holy fucking kino
>>750575770
>>750575089That's the magistrate from the initial heroes campaign. If you played the finale level, he has a big monologue about being visited by a woman that sets his plan in motion, which can be assumed to be the director.
I wanted to check out the stinky saar but I think I will wait until a sale.I still have to beat the EX levels in void stranger.
>>750576154oh right that narration at the very start of layer 1 north with all six heroes, right? i knew the voice sounded familliar
>>750576310I would've done so too but then I'd miss out on the threads
>>750576453Yep, that one.
I finally made it to this level and immediately reproduced the bug I keep seeing posted, weird that it's still in the game.
>>750576895that... isn't a bug?
>>750577006You shouldn't be able to push the gem with boulder on top.
>>750577107>>750577006I don't know about not being able to push the gem, but the crystal should not remain floating in the air once the beam is powered off.
bloody hell mate
>>750576895the "bug" is if you run off the edge under the floating crystal, and undo, she is then carrying the crystal, making the boulder pointless.
there is not a single unfun priestess level
>>750577301but gems are floating
>>750578760
more like order of the stinking saar
>cucked by my own aryan clone
bruh, the fast travel point is right there, just let me in...
>>750578452i knew i'd run into one as soon as you said that
>>750579954This reminds me of that one Heroes and Water level where there are just inexplicitly 2 Thieves. Not clones, just independent yet identical Tifs. There used to be dialog in that level hinting at time travel, but it was removed in the full game.
>>750577006JAI code cannot by design have "bugs" , its a revolutionary new software paradigm.
>>750567771>>750581340Why do you keep saying this?
Someone convince me not to drop the game 10 hours in, if you feel like it. I'm not a brainlet but I don't have a background with sokoban puzzles and I'm feeling pretty filtered. >went north, finished all the available heroes puzzles>went east, finished all the available mirror puzzles>found a heroes/mirror combined puzzle, couldn't crack it, left it to come back to later>went south, made some progress with stones but got stuck on one I couldn't work out>went west, got the first 12 gems but then softlocked myself with the last of 20 gems trapped in an accessible spot>disgusted at the thought of resetting it and doing the whole thing over from scratch and hopefully not silently making it unsolvable this time, put it down and haven't yet returnedI could just look up guides but that would be missing the point and a disservice to both the game and myself. I'm really put off in particular by the thought that a quarter of the game will be the sort of thing where one unnoticed mistake can cause the next half hour of my life to be complete waste, I guess I respect anyone enthusiastic about that level of gloves-off puzzle gameplay but it just sounds like cock and ball torture to me. And I'm a bit concerned by how long the game is implied to be, I like a bit of puzzling here and there but there's other stuff competing for my time and attention and I'm getting hints I could spend far more time than I would ever enjoy wading through endless layers of puzzles and still have barely penetrated it.Should I just accept I've been filtered and fuck off and leave the people the game's actually for to enjoy it, or should I give it another chance and do something differently?
>>750582402Try the west again. Resetting sounds disgusting, but it's really not that bad, and there is a checkpoint once you pick up the power up. You'd be surprised how fast you can get back to where you were. My advice is, don't get too lost in the sauce, pretty much all the gems do not require any sort of crazy moves that involve every beam or something, they are mini self contained puzzles with prerequisites sometimes. It will be very satisfying when you get it
>>750582402resetting in beams is a matter of ~2 minutes of progress, you just go back to where you get the displacer tool. afaik there are multiple ways to get the gems
>>750582968>>750583490Say I do, how long will I be playing before I reach a point where I can feel satisfied that I've "finished" the game and can move on from it contentedly? I've heard talk of multiple stages of endings and people continuing to peel back new layers for hundreds of hours, will the first ending I reach feel rewarding and cathartic enough that I can take it as my cue to clear off without there being obvious important things left unresolved?
>>750582402>I'm really put off in particular by the thought that a quarter of the game will be the sort of thing where one unnoticed mistake can cause the next half hour of my life to be complete wastethose kinds of puzzles are exceptionally rare to be fair. almost 400 puzzles in and I only encountered like 5 of those so far. The first couple of puzzles in west and south are a big filter and then it gets noticeably easier but still harder than what you encountered north imo. I also felt quite demotivated with south and especially west and honestly if every beamcasters level was like that, I'd probably fuck off too. >And I'm a bit concerned by how long the game is implied to beThe game is pretty long. With that in mind, I wouldn't push myself to finish if I wasn't having fun.My suggestion is to pick one of south or west and crack the filter puzzles of that area. I think west, it's the first two that are huge and south it's 1st and I think the 3rd or so and see if you enjoy the next couple few that are shorter and more like what you are used to. Just go in with the mindset that it's going to be a big task but it's fine since worst case scenario, you just drop the game shortly after. If you still feel unsure after seeing the first half a dozen puzzles of the area, you aren't gonna make it.
>>750583794>how long will I be playing before I reach a point where I can feel satisfied that I've "finished" the game and can move on from it contentedly?Only you can find this out.
>mirrors x stonessurely this autism is not the intended solution right? it can't be. what should I have done instead?
>>750584536lgtm
>>750584536you're supposed to reflect the stone back and forth as it skips across the water
Post ending spoileram i missing anything to get there? seems impossible without another stone
>>750566718Did this one earlier today. I really liked, not sure what the complaining was about. The solution was super satisfying.
>>750585074You are missing the previous room.
https://youtu.be/t7PtiU3ODic
>>750584974alright. how though? if you use only 1 mirror then the stone fucks off as expected. if you use 2 mirrors then you get to clone the rock midwater once which helps a bit but is nowhere near enough. what am i missing anon?
>>750585891Try pushing it in a different direction.
>>750585891you need to offset the mirrors, they dont just change the position of the stone but the direction it moves in
>>750586052>>750586190will Try, thanks
>>750552652Haven’t played the witness. Is this game worth it? How similar is it to baba and how difficult actually is it?
That puzzle where you follow the dragon's breath through a path of mirrors was cool, especially how you ultimately had to exploit the crossings to backtrack several times. It looks like it's literally on a rail at first glance but somehow they crammed all this complexity in
I caught a bit of Blow's stream and heard different dialog in the Mirror Isles starting levels. Did they get rid of the sultry female voice talking down to him in word salad while he lamented his life of regret and replace it with something else? I had those levels finished already because the demo save carried over.
>>750586990>Haven’t played the witness.They barely have anything in common.>Is this game worth it?If you like Sokoban, then absolutely.>How similar is it to babaOutside of being a Sokoban, not particularly. The mechanics are fun and deep, but not to Baba's extent. I don't think anything can be like that, frankly. I do think that the gameplay is designed better than in Baba is You, though.>how difficult actually is it?It's overall easier. In almost 100 hours and almost 700 puzzles, I've only encountered 1 puzzle that came close to being as frustratingly difficult as Tiny Isle.
>>750587694Yes. The Mirror Isles dialog and plot were completely redone after the demo. The audio logs of other explorers from the first Beamcasters level are also gone.
>>750587694I liked that setup and remain sad it's gone.Schizo ghost wives are my weakness.
for those who have finished layers 2 and 3, do the character stories get an actual conclusion? i haven't even found the lizard bro again
>>750588024sorta? theres an optional level with him on post-endgame layer 1
>>750588406>optionalwrong
>>750588646im not referring to the big beamcaster levels
>>750586990The Witness is great. Check it out.This game is really good too. Baba's puzzle design was inspired by Blow's first game, Braid. And it carries on here.That said, if you're after rule modifiers, this game isn't it. The closest resemblance would be beams, and even then only sometimes...Overall, I would say this game is much harder than Baba. Or maybe it's just way longer? I'm at 735 levels solved in 168 hours. Staring at a puzzle that looks impossible. Time for bed.
>>750591215>baba is you>braidwat
>>750591401>“As for the art, the inspiration for that originates from Petri Purho's Crayon Physics Deluxe. To name another source of inspiration that goes further back, while Braid doesn't resemble Baba Is You very much as far as puzzle games go, its approach to puzzle design affected a lot back when it was released and echoes of that can probably be detected in Baba Is You.”https://www.redbull.com/us-en/baba-is-you-interview
>>750586990>How similar is it to babaThere are two types of puzzle games: Pokemon gyms and Factorio.The Witness? Pokemon gyms.SpaceChem? Factorio.Stephen's Sausage Roll? Pokemon gyms.Human Resource Machine? Factorio.Despite having having a puzzle that simulates a binary adder, Order of the Sinking Stars is Pokemon gyms.Despite being about pushing blocks, Baba Is You is Factorio.
>>750592138nani?
>>750592138what is lemmings?
>>750591717ah, auto-fellatio, got it.
>first archway puzzle>pushing stacks through arches kills you>second archway puzzle>you need to push stacks through arches:|
Kino.
I think that's it for high. Feels bittersweet.
Layer 3 level.https://youtu.be/eUy6sAXeDF8
Dlc 6 combiner when
>>750595225I was expecting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUL5w91dzboinstead.Level is pretty easy though.
>>750594647Those fortifications look stalwart enough!
>>750594656Next question: How deep does this go?
Layer 3 feels much easier than the previous one so far.
>>750594656Did you do everything in base as well? It has unlocks for gates in Low.
>>750595930Mostly, but I haven't finished Beams Mirrorably.
>>750586990I don't know why others say it's not similar to baba. Baba is my favorite game of all time and there are loads of similarities in my opinion, specifically in level design. They both explore interesting interactions with mechanics then move on. Baba is a bit more hardcore where as order is a lot easier to experiment and spot the "trick" of a level, but even beyond the obvious rule building difference in baba, it's a lot about reverse engineering the combination of moves to achieve your win condition with the pieces given to you on the board
>>750595918Layer 3 seems to be a grab bag of marginal ideas. Either too simple, or not enough design space, or solutions too convoluted. I find that I either see the trick immediately and breeze through the level, or get stuck with no clue what I need to do to proceed. Or can't be arsed to do another bard dance session. Luckily it's easy to move through the overworld to find new rooms, but I think I'm about to exhaust all my easy puzzles and have to deal with the harder ones soon.
>>750596216Maybe also to hide some animation jank. I encountered the skipping stone+beam endpoint interaction back on layer 2 and thought it was a bug, but there it is again.
>>750597314What endpoint interaction? I have completed layer 2 but haven't gotten to layer 3 yet (solved 2/4 of the final meta puzzle) but did everything everything else
>Local Miner found dead in his Pocket today in what appears to be a homemade guillotine>Sailor neighbour heard the victim scream 'LIGHTWAVE, BABY!' right before the deed
>>750597759
Nah, Jonny-boy, I think I'm good.
>>750597519Layer 3 has a tutorial level for it. Teleport beam can be used to let stones skip in place at the teleport endpoint. It overlays a bunch of water and teleport effects continuously, which doesn't feel very polished.
>>750597963The ヒ of artificial difficulty.
>>750598115ヒヒ=0
>>750597870I'm going to bed, so in case anyone asks/is curious, that's a cover for this album:https://forestswords.bandcamp.com/album/compassion
>>750597963This and the next mirror level are absurd. They condense to fairly reasonable solutions but figuring them out is a little crazy. And the big star you do before them is super easy in comparison.
>>750592138I wonder what Jon would think of Ice Cave from Pokemon Gold and Silver
>>750599485from what i've seen some of them are almost more like simple programming than puzzles
>>750601225Both of the levels in question are just about reading key details in an otherwise large and slightly chaotic scene, and then planning things out from there. You have one shot to get them both right so it's ensured you can't do it accidentally.
>>750602060>ensured you can't do it accidentallyyou underestimate me
what am i missing here with the bottom goblin. i need him to turn both east and south and i have one rock to achieve this. the only tile that will make him turn south if he's turned another direction for example is the tile two spaces south of him. if i were to put the rock on the southeast tile and stand there, he would turn east, but then have no way to be turned south again.
>>750599641he would probably whine about how they have too many off topic elements
spoilers but i'm saving you niggers from the worst puzzle john blow has ever publishedthe goblins rotation is different depending on which direction you enter their line of sight fromlike if you enter the same tile by going up vs by going left the goblin will turn in a different directionwhat a fucking waste of an hour of my life on a mechanic that isn't explained in any way whatsoever
>>750603007You can just figure that out by observing them for a minute, dude.The real mindfuck was the puzzle where you have two rovers, a green beam, and a goblin. That's where you realize goblins turn toward any moving objects.
>>750603007oh looks like someone else is on the same awful puzzle>>750602837
>>750603007>a mechanic that isn't explained in any way whatsoevernigger, just walk to the goblin and look what happens on the screen>is it random? no...>is it always clockwise? no...>is it based on which direction I come from? yesit took me maybe 20 seconds to figure out exactly how it worked
>>750603007But you didn't mention Bard anywhere in your post
>>750603230My first assumption was it was based on it's currently face direction, but that wasn't true, so then I just brushed it off thinking there was an arbitrary tiebreaker priority for certain directions and I shouldn't bother to test what they are since you wouldn't design puzzles around that>>750603331idk I'm 500 puzzles in and that was the second bad one (the other being a skipping stones + druid puzzle where the solution is obvious but you assume it doesn't doesn't work because the timing looks impossible)
>>750602837I stumbled across the trick of this one, and since I genuinely don't think anyone could reasonably logic it out before hand I have no problem spoiling it. The goblins turn depending on the direction you are facing when you approach them, this is useful for the bottom goblin
I'm now almost 700 puzzles in and I Just realized that in beamcaster levels when gems are blinking orange that means you have what you need to get those.Fuck me
what do the colors of the levels mean?yellow, green, magenta? something else?
>>750605180I think they're just for contrast.
>>750605180I think it's too represent sets of levels, nothing more
The only other game from this year I have played is Mewgenics, but I will confidently declare this game GOTY
These tweaky ass split second timing levels need to be redesigned. If timing is not the core idea of the puzzle, that isn't what should be required to solve it.
>>750606550Timing isn't the core idea of that level, it's automating the orange beam. The timing isn't even that tight. Just hold the direction you want to go and you will go on the first frame
>>750606550Use the mirror to dunk the robot.
well damn. did the majority of the heroes and mirror stuff (including the crossovers and whatever) and then finally went south for something new and WOW i really do not like this skipping stones gimmick. this shit is kind of killing my enjoyment of the game
>>750606728I did that. You still need to push the orange beam onto it, quickly run back up to push the gem into its slot, and then run to the last sliver of orange beam to get into the first hole. If you're even slightly delayed you miss the train completely.
>>750559440>The Miner has to get that gem out of the cuck corneryea and then he does into his cuck box to watch the warrior do everything like the good cuckold that he is
>>750606885Wait, I guess I could have orange-nudged the beamer onto the rover.
>>750560076>Another 50 hours minimum of that is insanemore like another 50 hours until you finish the tutorial world and can start the real game
>>750607035Yeah. I already made the webm so here is the full solution anyways.One thing I don't like is how some levels, the timing for the wrong solution is sometimes very close that you think it's doable but it's not. They should have padded the time for those a little bit more so you don't keep trying in vain.
>>750607460There have been a handful that almost tempted you with timing exploits, but those attempts would come up obviously short, and you'd understand that timing wasn't the goal. This actually allows you to zip around trying to push everything into place before finally jumping into the hole. My fault for turning off the beam at the beginning to work through the problem, and then assuming it wasn't supposed to come back on until the beamer was in position.
>>750602837>what am i missing here with the bottom goblin.When you approach them on a corner tile, they try to anticipate where you're going.
>>750606550There's a slow-down button. Also don't post puzzles in a solved state without a spoiler.
>>750607948Kill yourself, nigger.
>>750553704it's not bard's fault, it's moving something that's also riding above a moving crystal, it ends up moving twice and sometimes it bypasses gravity? it's more even retarded when sometimes you can move and other times the bard is straight up locked.same thing happens when you try to move out of a moving lillypad, realtime gravity was the stupidest thing i've ever seen in a grid based game, even with slowmo.
>>750608785>other times the bard is straight up locked.This is what tripped me up on this world 3 level. For the longest while I thought that a bard on a crystal couldn't walk the side off because that was the rule—whenever I tried it the game wouldn't let me. But apparently that's just a safety feature for the player (never mind that you can rewind at will) because you totally can if there's a platform. Which in hindsight makes total sense (when you're lined up on two crystals, the 2nd one moves into place for you), but the fact that being able to make the action is dependent on the results of that action is what's unintuitive.
>>750606540See, I played a lot of both. But I definitely enjoyed Mewgenics way more, and Mewgenics deserves fuckloads of prizes because of the soundtrack alone my god
>>750609483I was lucky enough to discover this in the process of toying around in this level, at which point I said, my god, I don't even need to be one more tile down. But I don't think the game makes this super clear. Any other places where you move across a patch of water before this, you end up on the last crystal as it touches land.
>>750609483I'm not sure this is a special-cased safety feature as much as it's that you can't plainly walk onto water, like, ever, so when you take that forward step as the bard and it carries you onto a water tile, the entire transaction gets reversed.
>>750590773lol
>>750609773Yeah you may be right. For some reason I thought that starting from map 2 you could walk off edges and drown, but that's probably just for voids.
>>750609491Both are great, but Mewgenics wasn't as good as Isaac, while order logged the living shit out of braid and witness, so I am more positive towards order
>>750592138
does the red guy remind anyone else of vaush?
holy fuck I hate this bitch's levels
>>750614035this one is extremely simple THO
>>750575506Beams only apply properties if you're standing in them... how have you possibly gotten this far without understanding this? Almost the first thing you try when turning on a green beam is walking into a wall and getting stuck
>>750568976that's not how you're supposed to do that
>>750614035
>characters suddenly stop talking to each otherthe silence is awkward
>>750614673that makes more sense yet other anons tried to tell me my version still made sensethen there's the opposite when the reflection shows you can land but fall insteadthe whole mechanic feels really jank to me, wish it was cleaner
I'm assuming this is the wrong solution for this world 3 level and should probably beat this properly, because I have no clue what to do for the next one.
this involved so many steps, careful planning and duping and back and forth, there is no way this was the intended solution... right?
New patch just dropped.
>>750615852>700 MBSpicy. Is Blow adding back the sex scenes?
>>750615553Every time someone posts how they handled this puzzle, it's completely different.
>>750614710gembros we HAVE to think of a comeback here
>>750616295>that one puzzle where everyone kneels before the gemGOD
>>750615553You did realize you can just go from the platform on the right to the one in the middle right?Because it took me like 15 min, JON YOU FUCKING ASSHAT GIVE US CAMERA OPTIONS HOLY SHIT THESE ARE FUCKING RETARDEDIt's 2026 let me tilt the fucking thing and look around you chink phillosophy loving FUCK
>>750616541Paying attention to the environment is part of the puzzle.
>>750616491
>>750616295How does the gemcuck keep winding up in these situations? Does he do it on purpose?
>the queen levels in layer 3mind legitimately blown
>>750616678Someone keeps unplugging the green beam.
>>750616856I was hoping for some Braid inspired levels where rewinding time was necessary to proceed, but I'll take partial resets. It took me a couple levels to realize I was playing as the Queen.
>>750616928I think that 4-part puzzle with slight variations was Witness-like, at the very least. There are a few sequence puzzles in this style
new blow recommended kinohttps://late-nine.itch.io/key-lime-slime
>>750616541I knew they were connected, but this whole contrivance was needed in order to un-duplicate before reaching the finish (duplicating yourself earlier was necessary to get the rock over and dupe it)
>>750617630you definitely did not need to use clones for this level btw
>>750617630My dude have you seen how fucking slow that thing is? You can easily outrun it
3rd layer puzzleThe fuck do I do here? I figure I need a double beam at the cyan spot, but I have nothing to keep the button pressed. Am I missing something?
>>750617630why don't you just solve it the normal way
>>750617809Try stepping on and off the button a few times, and keep your eyes open.
>>750617809I'm saving this level for the weekend. Probably going to be a multi-hour affair.
I love this new mountainous world. Very scenic and tranquil.
>>750617896It is a very long level, but it's good.
>>750617276That was great, thanks
>>750617942These were stunning. I also liked the dragon lily lake and wish it was a larger area. A large multi-screen level in that setting would be a dream.
>>750617276Good game.Now, let's discuss: how would these keys interact with mirrors?
solving this puzzle made me feel like a genius
>>750617854> It worksFucking hell, I had missed the same interaction at the yellow box because I didn't pay attention
>>750552652Ardour the Thinking Smart.
>>750615852https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/499170?updates=truewhere log
I've finally reached the cellular automata level >>750566045.I have an inkling of what I need to do, but this is enough sokoban for one day.
>>750566045>>750619073What I don't like about this level is that once you finally figure out what the solution needs to be like (which is an absurd progression from the previous two levels), getting the correct amount of mirrors of the correct facings in the correct positions is a pain
>>750603007>a mechanic that isn't explained in any way whatsoeverI figured this out from the mirror goblins and wizard level.
>>750581656He just needs someone to laugh and tell him he's funny, or he'll have to face that reality is the opposite
>>750617630wtf lol
>>750618057well are they made of bone?
>>750561850Fucking loved blockdude. Played in on my ti-83+ along with some beer tycoon game where the goal was to make money supplying a party with kegs of beer and shit.
I'm having a ton of trouble telling where anything is on this screen, this angle is kinda shit.
>>750552652>order of the stinking saargo back to /vg/ where you """people""" belong
Where am I supposed to go from here? I've already been in the other directions
>>750620614How have you been travelling between rooms? Where have you not gone yet?
nice place to smoke a BIG FAT BLUNT LOL
>>750620614I think the goal is to learn how to read your options. I will just tell you because you made the post and seem to be stuck, but do you see how juicy those two lilypads at the bottom are to go right? What if you worked towards that goal?
this seems so simple but i'm getting filtered anyway
>>750620937I'm in the endgame-endgame and I still haven't done heroes and stones lolA bit scared seeing how many people get stuck there
>>750620937Work backwards from your goal, and figure out where the stones need to go.
>>750621035holy shit i'm retarded that shit was way simpler than i thought it was gonna be
>>750621092That will happen a lot.
>>750617809Finally finished this one. Felt like I was back doing skipping stones #2 but with 5 extra layers, what a ride.
>>750617809I cheesed the hell out of this part and didn't even use the button and never even went up. There's a huge oversight on this part
>>750623301Going right? I tried that but was 2 tiles short.
>>750623335I don't remember entirely but I teleported right and landed on top of the beam caster there and pushed it away from the wall
All that work and now my cock is blocked
>>750623429did you see what was up with that mirror in the east red area bro?
>>750623664I thought I had to remove the rock somehow since the alternative was too insane... now I realize why that red lilypad is needed
>>750623746Do you know what the object of this task is? If not, you're in for a treat.
>>750614868The progression on these is kind of weird. The one that comes after the big one actually illustrates the concept better than this one, though it's still technically present here.
This late(?)-game overworld puzzle had a satisfying conclusion.
>"hey queen. what's the most cocks you've ever taken?"
>>750625139>late game
W H E R EIST H EC O MP I L E RBLOWYBOY
They changed the layout of this puzzle.
what the FUCK is that
>>750629441Yeah. I think I remember the top-island being bowl-shaped.
>>750629539what the heck is that
okay i did not expect the second endgame's theme to be that, really cool
>>750629343Hey, I'm happy to know I have plenty of game left. :-)
