>>750549990
Because people think this is still 2008 or whatever, where their game will be the next Super Meat Boy
If your game looks like pic related, don't even bother making it, especially with AI now

>>750549990
>pixel art indieshit muh feelings rpg
not needed, the audience for these games is TINY...also it looks generic and lame and not aesthetically pleasing

>>750549990
>>750550063
"People" who make pixel art like this don't even understand the point of pixel art or what makes it good.

So now any game that's so deprived of content that there's no incidental enemies to fight is just called a "boss rush" game, huh?

According to the reviews it's 10 hours of talking and 30 minutes of bosses

The time to get money from making indie games was during the 360 gen and early into the ps4 gen. No point after that.

>>750549990
>make a dogshit trooncoded game
>it bombs
>ABLUBLUBLUBLUBLU HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO ME, INDIE GAME DEV IS A SCAM
the problem is you're "making" "games" to chase the dragon of profit instead of making real games because you have a desire to create something new and original, and thus your dogshit has no soul and even less playability, seethe yourself into a fire and die

>>750549990
It's the same as wanting to be a streamer. Everyone thinks that they are special and will beat the odds. The worst part is that the more people that believe this fantasy, the more the market gets saturated and less likely it is to become reality.
It's just hopium, which is a charm of the human spirit and can lead to great things, even if a vast majority are crushed by reality.

>boss rush bullet hell souls like
I can already tell you from that description alone that a game like that's only going to cater to an extremely small and niche audience.
>>750550043
>mentioning AI out of nowhere
Stay in your containment threads, shitskin.

>>750550063
>the audience for these games is TINY
The audience for these games relies on word of mouth which means you aren't going to slide on by to riches with a boring game.
Just look at how well something like black souls is doing.

>>750549990
maybe dont make it look like that and call it "bitter sweet birthday"

>>750549990
All points are correct, but don't forget that it is also published by DANGEN Entertainment. Doomed to fail.

>>750550436
Cry about it bro. Your game easily looks like it could be generated by AI

>>750549990
maybe don't appeal to redditoids. redditoids don't play game they just play the popular thing to be included.

>looks like shit
>bossfights only (unpopular 'genre')
>stupid name
What did they expect?

>>750549990
Indie games aren't even Indie anymore. Deltarune can be as insane as Toby wants because of the success of Undertale. FNAF is a media icon so Scott can do whatever he wants. Silksong had infinite money from Hollow Knight. Cuphead is slowly becoming a full blown franchise. Mina the Hollower rode on the coattails of Shovel Knight. Mewgenics had Isaac money to work with.

Basically, the most played indies have insane budgets from their cemented success. Yeah, really cool ones can still come out like Look Outside and Bug Fables, but anything even remotely looking like OP's pic won't go anywhere because who the fuck cares?

>>750549990
That's game dev in a nutshell, just suck it up and move on to the next project

>>750550912
but anon I took out 20 mortgages and sold my mom to Indians to fund this game

>>750550436
The game looks like it could be made by AI in a day. 5 years pissed away.

>>750550870
I think if you make a really good indie game you'll get the audience to make a profit, how many times has an authentically fantastic indie game been a total flop? It's always games that are mediocre or worse that end up flopping to the point where they can't turn any profit.

>>750549990
boss rush games barely ever go anywhere desu

>>750549990
You are not entitled to success

5 years is a retarded dev time for a project. It should be done in 1 year max.

>>750549990
I wish i could just make and finish something in my life. I dont even care if it bombs.

>>750551373
make your bed
make dinner
make me proud

>>750549990
>5 years
pic unrelated I assume?

>>750551346
no it's fairly normal
many notable indies took around that long

>>750549990
Sounds mediocre, looks mediocre, performed mediocre. I dunno jim it sure seems like all is exactly as it should be.

>>750549990
Your game is just troon-coded garbage. Nice reality check you got, though.

>>750549990
>boss fight only
>assblasted file name
Dogshit game, why are you so shocked, dev-shill bro?

>>750549990
no worries, my game is better. It even has goblins

>>750550768
>>750551149
>B-BUT MUH AI
Didnt ask. Not him either by the way, fuck off.

>>750549990
This was 100% made by a troon. If he hasn't come out as one already he will soon.

>>750551598
Bro your prompts? You're not gonna make it as an indie dev if you take five years to churn out garbage like the OP

>>750549990
Stop making games for profit. Make games because you want to bring the game you want into existence.

>>750550291
What's trooncoded about it?

>>750551783
thy pattern recognition is weak young padawan

>>750549990
Don't take 5 years to make a game that isn't AAA tier. With modern information availability, AI assistance, frameworks, etc. you should be able to make a lot of this shit in a month alone.

>>750551851
Anon, stop vagueposting I'm serious. Usually there is a tell, like ambiguous gender, ugly women, effeminate males, trans flags or whatever. I'm not seeing that at least in op's pic

>>750549990
>Main character is straight white male
There are literally millions of these games. Try something more original.

>>750551458
Normal or not it is still terrible. 5 projects instead of 1 give you 5 chances at the lottery and also each project only has to be 20% as succesful to be a win for you.

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>>750554412 >>750557990

Try adding cute girls into it next time faggot. Even if a non main character. Just give customers what they want.

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>>750563868

Deserved.
Should have just made a walking simulator if you wanted to be a bitch and talk about your feelings, would have finished much faster.

>Claude, make a copy of this game. Make it not lame and gay, make it so that it get straight to the point, and make it so that every boss is a waifu you add to your ever increasing harem
What's stopping me from doing that?

>>750551851
Explain yourself, Mr. Knower.

>>750551598
>want to talk about state of indie dev game industry
>BUT DONT YOU DARE MENTION AI!!!

uhhh ok, lets all just ignore the elephant in the room

>>750549990
I was going to play the demo but then it got removed.
Next time don't remove your demo, dev.

>>750549990
Game dev is competition. It's business. If I decide tomorrow I'm going to go open a fork business, how successful do you think I'll really be? It doesn't matter how much work I put into making those forks.

Make something people want to buy.

>>750552183
you will have better luck going to casino or trading stock options if all you want to do is play the lottery

>>750552947
>NO BRO YOU SHOULD GIVE UP BRO JUST DONT DO ANYTHING USE AI USE IT BRO DO YOU HAVE A SUBSCRIPTION YET????
I told you to fuck off.

>>750549990
lmao imagine thinking you're owed success

>>750552297
>THEIR Works
Of course he's trans.

>>750549990
I mean it looks hideous

>>750554316
People are just trying to discuss it with you. No need to have a melty because your shitty game flopped.

>5 years
>Game looks like that

Perhaps game dev isn't for that person(s)

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>>750554803 >>750556897 >>750563156 >>750563161 >>750572254

>make some derivative faggy indieslop about muh feelings
>it fails
>make a indie game with an actually cool concept and fun gameplay
>instant success
Just don't be retarded

>>750549990
Buy an ad. Looks like shit btw

Miyamoto was 100% right in his recent quote of people thinking that because they are addicted to the process of working that they must've made something good

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>>750555058

> become professional dev
> ai comes along
> develop specs, docs, and workflows to Claude through the niche games I enjoy with top 2D art
> might publish free
> ???
I’d say indies who really want to put in the effort to learn architecture are poised to give AA studios a run for their money. I’m too much of a fag to take the monetary risk on non-AI assets to try.

>>750549990
>spend 5 years making the most generic looking game possible
>it bombs
why the fuck would you think it would be successful when it looks like every other indie game?

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>>750549990
I actually greatly enjoyed the demo of this game I just forgot to purchase it, then thought "I'll get to it one day" but forgot
I literally forgot. I remember enjoying the shonenesque story and chuuni bird partner bro. Story looked kinda sad. Thanks for reminding this exists. Oh yeah I remember that the exploration JRPG parts fucking dragged on for too long despite being a demo kek maybe that's why. Still it was okay. Guess I'll buy and play it now, thanks OP.

>>750549990
what a retard, AI could've done this in a month

>>750549990
If you're going to spend so much time on a game make sure it's good.

indie devs just making a game people want to play challenge

This is a reminder that Balatro was a instant hit and sold millions because the game was cheap and fun and retards will tell you that indie dev is heccin impossible

The developers mindset:
>every love souls likes it should have rolling
>cuphead was popular too I'll make it a boss rush
>and to top it off pixel art and an emotional story, like undertale
This is more creative than Claude how exactly?

>>750554715
>>750554460

>>750554717
The main challenge is coming up with simple rules that create a bunch of fun emergent scenarios that are easy to expand on. Many of these devs aren't interested in this though, they are more interested in immediately making a passion project no one will know of or something that is otherwise self-indulgent and considers no one else.

>>750550954
If this shit ever actually happened to anyone, they're fucking retarded. One of the perks to indie development is that there's basically no start up cost. All the software you need to make a game are either free or have free alternatives. Don't know how to do something? There's free resources all over the internet that'll teach you. You're also working on YOUR schedule as well so you can always work an actual job until you start making money off vidya. That's exactly what Scott did. Dude worked at a grocery store and made vidya in his free time

>boss rush soulslike
*yawn*

>>750549990
>boss rush
Looks kino I'll buy a copy. Thanks OP

Why do indies always have that pretentious look to them they almost never feel like actual games that would've released when pixel art was the norm

>>750554590
blobber kino

>>750554717
this
I go on steam and I see a bunch of shit like this where its some arty fartsy muh feels slop, its always some incredibly simple 2d game made from rehashed mechanics of other games bolted to the most dogshit plot imaginable.
balatro is just a card game, a rehash of poker, a 300 year old gambling game, but it adds funny stuff only a video game can do like insane cards and stakes. It doesnt have a plot but it lets you INFER a plot from the mechanics. Its a good game.

its like the meme image where its "if you cant describe your job in 3 words its a bullshit job": if you cant describe your game in 3 words without mentioning another more successful game it is a bullshit game.

>>750554986
none of them actually take the restrictions that were mandatory and the reason for using pixel art.

>>750554986
because when pixel art was the norm those games would not have used pixel art if they had a choice

>released 1 year ago
>28 reviews
This is only going to get worse in the sea of AI games

>>750554774
You cant even string together a fucking sentence, jeet

>>750549990
Doesn't look interesting to me, what can i say. They should have made a game that looks fun or at least cool enough for me to look twice at it.

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>>750555883 >>750568481

humanity already made cybertroopers virtual-on we dont need any more video games thanks

>>750549990
The biggest mistake indie devs make is putting too much time into their first game instead of making many smaller games first.
You see this all the time with crowdfunded games where the developer will be months or years into a game then actually learn something like art and then they redo all the assets so they end up doing 2x - 3x as much work for one game.

>>750554610
I find this kind of gameplay utterly unappealing. This is literally all there is right? This top down bullet hell boss fights in between a bunch of really lame looking story? No thanks

>>750555176
The point still stands. Indies aren't creative despite how much they love to say AI is unimaginative. If he HAD used Claude he could've prototyped this way sooner and then realized it's shit and change course

>>750554610
>bullet hell
>iframes
please stop doing this it completely defeats the point

>>750551774
That's pretty much this game though and nobody bought it.

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>>750555465 >>750555521 >>750555594 >>750556068 >>750556934 >>750557490 >>750560127 >>750569220 >>750570445

>all the random faggots shilling AI in this thread
Maybe I'm crazy but I'm starting to think there's a shit ton of pajeets getting paid to shill the ever living fuck out of Claude on this board. It's not just this thread, like every other fucking thread it's "Claude could generate this game" "that looks like something Claude could generate" or "Claude would be great for decompiling this".
Shit just reeks of water army faggotry

>>750555381
Art style is everything

>>750555249
this is pretty important, its all about taking baby steps. Making smaller projects is super important in any artistic field, like you aren't going to make a full marble figure sculpture as your first sculpture, you'd start by making small clay busts. Its also lthe idea of doing something against the actuality, everyone thinks they can create more than they can until they actually try and realise.. oh actually this is a lot harder than i thought.

>>750549990
Looked it up and it's boring as hell.

>>750555406
You're either a jeet or a troon in today's world

>>750555353
there are some games where it works though like last command

>>750555406
AI being used for everything is annoying but AI whiners like you that get ass blasted just at the mere mention or sight of something AI are just as fucking annoying.

>>750555406
They don't need to pay jeets to shill AI anymore. They can just use AI chatbots.

>>750555521
Yeah nice try jeet.

>>750555215
I like the pink because her design and movement makes it look like she is regularly flashing panties at you.

There are only very few ways of making a successful game as an indie.
The unfeasible ways:-
1.Making a product so high quality it succeeds no matter what.
2.Invent a new genre or successful mechanic/gimmick and implement it well.
3.Get lucky lol.
The realistic ways:-
1. Very unique/eye catching presentation
2.Pay for exposure and have a serviceable project that's multiplayer.
3.Port an abandoned/forgotten/dead genre to modern PC hardware (the Stardew Valley approach)

Indie retards all make shit for extremely oversaturated genres thinking their quirky humor or le auteur writing is something that will distinguish it from the 1000s of others doing exactly just that. The platform has matured, the gold rush has ended. You didn't get in on the ground floor, so you can't get away with amateur slop priced too highly in a world of $20 Silk Song. Indies are like AAAs crying about not being able to live up to the quality of BG3 all over again.

>>750555862
Seethe moar tranny

>>750555934
>doesnt deny being a jeet
Lmao. How embarrassing.

>boss rush
that means they didn't finish the game and decided to release it because they stopped bothering or just ran out of money

>>750555320
>some people are uncreative so everyone is
Why are AIfaggots such dishonest faggots? And then you wonder why everyone fucking hates you. You cant argue in good faith for literally one single post.

>>750552869
I don’t know. Why would I play yours when this already exists. All you smug AI niggerfaggots never seem to have anything original to say or make. All you do is make shitty, worse copies.

>>750555406
I feel like AI backlash is vastly overstated, aided by the mopey shit normalfags spout without thinking because they are told something is a prevailing idea. It is hard it run into someone who doesn't make use of it. It does multiple "dream" things for people like being a natural language searcher, homework bot, creating convincing deepfakes, a software developer's wet dream, etc. It isn't really hard for them to win goodwill through all of this. The period of intensified backlash is sort of fading, and I'm sure people probably got sick of it because it immediately purity spiraled from being about artistic integrity to struggle sessioning anything AI no matter how harmless and cool. Someone who bitches about Mario in Elden Ring for instance, just sounds like they have a stick up their ass.

>>750556000
>doesnt deny being a tranny
Lmao. How embarrassing.

>>750555521
>ok so like I know this side is extremely annoying but ummmm the other side is too ok?!
Not buying your slop

>>750556120
You didn't buy that guy's passion project game either

>>750556153
>changes subject again
Typical of a dishonest slopper. Not going to buy your slop.

>>750549990
Because they want to?

>>750551851
baitnigger. kill yourself.

>>750551783
it just looks gay, simple as

>>750549990
why do you bother living when you're most likely not going to amount to anything special?

your logic is dumb and no matter what, success or not, you should realise that some indietroons did a thing that you as you are right now could never do, because you're too dopamine addicted and undisciplined and negative. and you are now just coping about that fact by making fun of someone having done one thing that overshadows the entire library of things you have created in your life.

and they did it, in the face of the big risk of failure.
maybe you should admire their will and bravery, instead of thinking you're the better man, because you never even dare to do anything in the first place, because you're so afraid of failure

>I spent a lot of time on it that means you have to play it
It's fucked how narcissistic these devs are now, they have completely lost the plot.

>>750550291
define new and original.

this is a gay nerd cope used to talk down other people's effort. "they're not good enough, they're not even original!!"

how many original things have you made? nevermind that, i know your creation counter as an adult is zero.
have you even had an original thought?

if you have a brain you'll see where I'm going with this.
authenticity is actually what you seek. novelty and "originality" is in 99% of cases a thing you say you value, because you want to appear distinguished and smart. I know you jerked off to porn this week. come off it, take that gay mask off

>>750556515
Your game bombed dude, accept it and move on

>>750550142
>now
I mean these games weren't really around back in the day (MH before World doesn't count), but that's certainly what I would have called them if they existed back then.

>>750556596
even if i made that game, the fact stands that the person you're trying to ridiucule did something you could never do because you're not hard working enough and scared.

you should think on that

>>750554460
what game

>>750556728
I'm not even the original poster of the message you're replying to, sorry but you do sound like you're the game's
creator or someone who's project bombed
get off the high horse and stop getting assblasted by random posts

>>750555406
no shit retard
their spam starts as soon as it hits morning in india, every fucking time
google time in india right now

>>750556368
>>750556515
redditor

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>>750557542 >>750557690 >>750557761 >>750566246

>spends like 5 years making an open world sequel to a walking simulator
>runs like shit on 5090s and blackwell 6000 pros
>difficulty is hold W and then all the sudden the worst bossfight you've seen since fucking dark souls
>fanbase is all schizos
>trying to get the grammy for some reason
Did he make it?

>>750549990
>5 years
>looks like that
The low effort pixelshit nostalgiabaiting trend has run its course. It's all about cutesy storybook aesthetics now. Keep up with the trends or get left behind

>>750554412
They can mean a single person who you don't know the gender of. Here, the develop could be a man or woman.

It's crazy how billions of humans on Earth don't know this.

>>750549990
If your protags aren't sexy and molestable its a shit game

>>750557094
It can. It doesnt. The default gender of an unknown person is always assumed to be male until proven otherwise. Guess which group took issue with this and started pushing singular they/thems?

>>750557038
Low-polyshit is the new pixelshit
Or pixelfags could try to ape Octopath's style until it's beaten into the ground (in like a year max)

>>750557213
>Or pixelfags could try to ape Octopath's style until it's beaten into the ground (in like a year max)
I actually wish they would because Octopath actually looks nice, far better than the garbage in the OP image. The only way I could accept pixelshit at this point is if they go full metal slug with it

>>750557094
Look at the shoulder width.

Isn't the point of indies to not be like the safe conformative games

>>750555406
I can make the same argument about slopping together a game in RPGMaker or ren'py, except we're another step down the latter with AI and its even easier.
The game we are discussing in OP is a 10 hour VN with three boss fights.

>>750550043
I've seen worse looking games sell better. The overall aesthetic is just very boring and bland.

>>750549990
>make one trick pony generic indie nostalgia game cause you have no talent or understand what made the original great
>don't bother to do a research or study of what people might like
>don't even advertise yourself and think you will simply and magically win the Steam lotery
>on an oversaturated market no less
>it bombs
>WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
I will always say the same thing. Learn from the fairy anon. That's how you advertise your game, build hype and appeal to a niche fanbase.

>>750557012
the only indie title that runs as poorly as cyberpunk is right here xistsrs

>>750557212
You're a retard.
>>750557370
Oh well I guess all video game developers ever are white lolis with bunny ears.

>>750557531
yay^

>>750555521
I’m just not going to buy something with ai art in it. Ai art always has that off putting vibe.

>>750557442
Not really, the 'point' is just that its a smaller group or a single person trying to get something out there without needing big money/corpo backing.

The quirky reputation is downstream of undertale and that era.

>>750557012
God I wanna beat that fox up so bad. I wanna make it scream
I downloaded this and never finished it because I kept running off the ledge on purpose to kill the fox. LMAO

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On one hand, I've no idea what they were expecting making a game that looks like this. I can't recall a single game with this specific style(blocky environments, sprites without outline, brown-ish palette) that found success, not to mention being awfully late to the Gungeon clone party(pseudo-bullet hell and dodgeroll).
On the other, always funny to see gamedev experts ITT brimming with insight and advice on how to make your game.

>>750557012
Does anyone else wanna crush the SOTN fox itt?

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>>750557556
Kick the chair, axewound.

>>750549990
It looks OK but what do you expect? If you make one game in 5 years and have little following or audience it's highly unlikely it will sell a lot unless it's something people are desperate for. It doesn't look that interesting. The visuals look mediocre. "Boss fight only" is extremely niche. I'm not saying it's not a great personal achievement to finish such a game, but you should not expect it to make you rich. You either need a following, or you need to make something good that people really want. The things people really want are hard to make though.

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>>750550867
>bossfights only (unpopular 'genre')
Is this really an unpopular genre?
No one liked the platform levels in cuphead.

>>750557829
There was that one recent game with red hood looking MC that was mildly popular for a bit, but otherwise there's not a lot of this kind of games in general.

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>>750552297
What about cute girls and boys.

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>discord tranny mod having a melty on /v/ cause they leaked his garbage
>indie garbage tranny dev having a melty ITT cause his garbage bombed
What a fun day

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>>750549990
then he should have made it a stardew valley clone. no one wants your pixel souls like with 50 hours of reading dialogue ebin story. Learn to see what people might actually want to buy before you make a game. dipshit

>>750557580
Sure I agree, but im referring to redditors that just complain the moment AI is brought up in a conversation or someone posts an AI image regardless of context.

>>750558103
Thing is most people can't make a SDV clone. There are lots of "clones" that are instantly appealing and will sell if it's actually fun and has content.
>stardew clone
>diablo clone
>terraria clone
>metroidvania
However they all require way more effort and intelligence to make than just boss fights.

So why are so many people shitting on this guy? Thought you were supposed to le chase your dreams? Thought real art was about time spent because AI removed the vital human component of effort and wasting time? None of you are happy with anything because it's new and you aren't a little baby dicksucker anymore, go collect vintage cars or something holy fuck kill anyone over 21 who still posts here

>>750558485
goomba fallacy
i for one welcome our ai overlords and the snuffing of troondevs

>>750551954
>he doesn't know

>>750557212
retarded people like you

>>750558485
stop thinking in black and white
AI bad doesn't mean everything else good

>>750551954
>Each boss fight is an emotional...
It's for troons like all undertale allegory for depression indieslop. The real question is why (you) didn't instantly clock it.

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>>750558485
Nobody actually cares about principles, we take any angle of attack we can get to shit on someone. I make pro and anti AI posts all day because inciting anger and damaging egos is more important. Anyone who goes bankrupt chasing their shitty dream or blowing it all on Claude tokens is another smile from me.

>>750558720
>has to deride both anyways
read: i am also black and white and do actually hate everything because i am a based 4channer on the based internet hate machine!

>>750558485
>Thought you were supposed to le chase your dreams? Thought real art was about time spent because AI removed the vital human component of effort and wasting time?
Correct.
That doesnt change the fact that his final product is dogshit.

>>750555465
Why can't jeets and trannies just work together, they both enjoy being gay

>>750549990
The game looks fine. No, really, aesthetics almost don't matter. Look at Undertale (completely unironic jaggy pixels). Look at Peak (blob men made in 15 seconds of Blender). Look at Obra Dinn (actually high effort but people hate to look at it).

The problem isn't even the genre per se, it's the combination of genres he's done here.
>Bullet hell/soulslike, whatever
There's an audience for it. Crypt Custodian is this. Estimated 66K copies sold, possibly $1mil gross revenue. It's a short game, about 10 hours. Barely has a story, no interesting gameplay innovations. Review score 97%.
>VNs with barely any gameplay.
Come on there is a huge audience for this shit. Even /v/ could make one, look at Katawa Shoujo. Remember TCOAAL? 600K copies sold, 96% review score, $5mil gross revenue.

The problem is that these audiences DO NOT OVERLAP. Do you know why Persona games have turn-based combat? Because people who love dating game VNs do not have reflexes.
Do you know why Call of Duty does not come with hours of cutscenes? Because people who love shooter games do not want to sit through hours of feelings chatter.

If you would like this game for its writing, the fights would be annoying.
If you would like this game for the gameplay, the story would be annoying.

>>750558939
aesthetics matter as much as anything else
a game is a sum of of it's parts and if it's very good at one thing people forgive flaws in other areas
but being 'fine' at everything gets you nowhere

>>750549990
>Bittersweet birthday
Wow what a shitty name
>is a boss fight-only
Okay bye.

>>750549990
It looks pretty good. If it was in a Fanatical bundle or $2.50 on keysites I'd probably pick it up.

>>750555406
Devs like the one in the OP are doing the equivalent of crawling 100 miles. The people "shilling" AI are correctly pointing out he could have just driven a car.

>>750550321
>It's the same as wanting to be a streamer. Everyone thinks that they are special and will beat the odds. The worst part is that the more people that believe this fantasy, the more the market gets saturated and less likely it is to become reality.
>It's just hopium, which is a charm of the human spirit and can lead to great things, even if a vast majority are crushed by reality.
The sad thing is there was a brief window in the 2000s/2010s where it was relatively easy to make games as an indie dev but the market wasn't saturated. All you had to do was make a decent game and you'd get tons of attention.

Like look at Cthulu Saves the World in 2010
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXAHsaJs4wc
Seems cool, but cool on the level of a neat RPG Maker game (not actually RPG Maker, their own engine). There are now countless games on Steam that are as good or better that will never get played by more than a handful of people.

>>750550187
so longer undertale?

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>>750551583
GOBLINS? CLOSE THE GAME!

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>>750549990
kind of bleak to think of all the people with dreams who will never realize any of them

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>>750549990
who do I believe

>>750557531
>build hype and appeal to a niche fanbase.
what hype and niche? i still don't know or understand what frufi actually makes kek. he just spams pure nonsense.

>>750549990
>time=/=quality
>quality=/=success
A lot of these devs spend a fuck load of time trying to emulate rather than innovate. They see something like Dark Souls or Cuphead and say, "I can do that!" but I would hazard a guess that they very rarely ever ask, "Those game are popular, but what are they missing?" Another question I feel that never gets asked is, "Is this a game that I want to play?" Because if it's a game being made simply to chase a trend or get good boy points on plebbit, you might as well shitcan it now before you waste 5 goddamn years of your life on a steaming pile of dogshit. When you're doing things solo, you need to make something that you're passionate about, research other games in that genre to see what they do well and what they don't or are missing, then pick one or two core gameplay mechanics to refine the ever loving shit out of within a set deadline of at max a year and a half. You also need to be careful about where you do your research. Look at reviews for similar games and see what people like or don't like. Watch some youtube reviews etc. Avoid hugboxes like the plague.

>>750560797
In this particular case, it was a niche fetish. Fairyfags and vorefags.

>>750560704
They're both saying the same thing. It's up to you to decide if you value story or gameplay more.

>>750549990
is that a girl in a leotard

>>750556064
>worse
I mean, sure, I guess the bar wasn't low enough already

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>>750549990
The subhuman westoid troon just can’t help xhimself and has to insert niggers into his dogshit pixel game. Of the game’s gonna bomb lol

>>750562546
brain broken

>>750549990
For some reason you trannies and faggots cant grasp that the atomized niches you exist in arent marketable to the masses. The average nerd faggot nowadays lacks the self awareness or connection to the masses to even make minimum wage off their scott pilgrim arrested development slop.

>>750550436
>Stay in your containment threads, shitskin.
Stick your head in the sand and cry until you're rolled right over, retard. Impotently screaming achieves nothing.

>>750560704
I don't even need to read FUFFLES' review to know it's not anyone worth listening to.

>>750562762
Post steam sales numbers so we can laugh in your face troon

>>750549990
wheres the LGBTQIA+ tag?

>>750549990
Crim the thumbnail alone I would never click on this game. Other anon is right in that it looks boring and bland.
Plus the name sucks ass.
>"Hey bro what you playin?"
>"Bittersweet Birthday"
>...

>>750558723
>only la troon emotional!
Soiteens...

>>750554460
>67k players
Lol wtf. Was it dumb luck or did it have good advertising? It does look pretty neat like papers please but shopkeeping.

>>750554460
>>make some derivative faggy indieslop
that is indeed a very zesty looking papers please clone you have there

soul and all that

>>750550870
indie doesn't mean poor devs

>>750549990
I can already tell by the store page the dev is a tranny, so yeah
>5 years of work full time
pathetic

>>750552321
reminds me of titan souls
>make a boss rush game
>the more you play the more walking you have to do
>eventually you're spending more time walking than fighting
I uninstalled after an hour

>>750560271
It's also worth mentioning Cthulu saves the world was also bundled with their other game Breath of death 7 for a total price of like 3 dollars at that time, and is currently on sale for 71 cents, while the game in OP is 18 dollars.

>>750558720
>everything these joyless naysayers post isn't black and white

jfl. bro you should be glad that there are still people doing anything by hand anything at all these days

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>>750549990
>boss fight-only
if every enemy is a boss than none is

>>750557990
I'm not a gay pedophile but hyper is obviously the best and cutest here

>>750549990
>indie dev industry

I've become so beaten down by the past couple months
IRL stuff made me unable to work on my game as much, AI is generating entire games
I can't imagine creating anything that could compete with the way people expect content to work anymore

>>750552869
>forgets to add 'make no mistakes and bugs'
ha, your game is buggy shit!

>>750563156
they released a demo and had it advertised on a couple of gaming showcases

>>750563049
>M...m...my undertalelike is totally different ok?!??1!?

>>750549990
There's just too many games. Making a good game isn't enough.

>>750550457
Black Sludge is propped up by 3rd worlders and imbeciles, just like all the other RPGM trash that becomes popular. It's never actual quality games, only porn, horror walking simulators, and mental illness allegories.

>>750557012
didn't know this came out
>minimum gpu req costs 2700€
bruh

>>750549990
>99 is low
Can't be bothered to find the source for the data but less than 0.001% of games sold on Steam make less than 1k. It's around just a little less than 90% make even £100, the fee it costs to upload to Steam.

Indie dev for money is a gamble. That's why people do it, they're gambling. They think they'll make the next Flappy Bird, Lethal Company, Undertale or Hollow Knight. They're gambling on that impossibly small chance that they'll be solid financially for the rest of their lives when they finish their game.

>>750549990
That's a dogshit name for a game.

>>750549990
It looks terrible just from that screenshot

>>750555381
Then it doesn't matter that no one bought it. Of the goal was to make the game, then it was successful.

>>750549990
Another retarded artfag who is allergic to contrast

>>750551783
everything.

>>750566194
Remove all porn and Black Souls 2 is still an excellent game.
And it unironically has better level design than the Souls games that inspired it.

>>750556515
>ad hominem pilpul
i accept ypur admission of defeat
next time make a good game, because you want to make a gokd game, instead of making gay trite tropey troonshit because you think it'lll make you money (because it won't) when you heart is in the wrong place, people can sniff it out from a mile away, it stinks as bad as your festering axe wound
learn what videogames are about, HINT: IT'S GAMEPLAY, NOT FAGGOT ASS TROONCODED NIGGERSHIT, RETARD

>>750563049
lmftf:
>>Each boss fight is an exciting...

>>750556515
that's a pretty bad argument if it hinges on the person not making a single original thing in their life
>have you even had an original thought?
have you?

>>750549990
i fucking HATE all the fucking boring as fuck looking pixel games, at least terraria has some fun and cool sprites, like it looks cool as a neat little picture but not as your whole game

>>750568247
>Remove all porn and Black Souls 2 is...
A game that no one plays, because coomers are retards who refuse to engage with anything that isn't porn on principle. No one gets into Black Sewage because it's a good game, because it isn't. People play it because it's edgy and contains wanton sexual violence throughout. The game is its reputation. Same reason no one would play Rance without the porn. Same reason these lowlifes refuse to play All-Ages versions of visual novels, and refuse to engage with otherwise excellent VNs that were All-Ages to begin with.

>>750549990
yeah they should release the game for free and make the code open source
I'm being serious.

>>750555215
imagine the erotic sound of their heavy metal knees rubbing together..

>>750568468
Releasing any software in 2026 is doing this since Claude can disassemble it for you while you snooze.

>>750568448
>No one gets into Black Sewage because it's a good game
But they do.

>>750558485
because he's a faggot who's only in it for the money, just like you are a faggot who is only here to pretend to be holier than thou, go suckstart a shotgun, you fucking troon niggerfaggot retard, literally fucking kill yourself right now

>>750559093
aesthetics are tertiary shit and immaterial to what a videogame is, the only thing that a videogame is IS GAMEPLAY, NO IFS ANDS OR BUTS, GET THAT THROUGH YOUR ROTTEN NIGGER HEAD

>>750558485
>Thought you were supposed to le chase your dreams?
Dreams for me and not for thee. Welcome to the modern age, where doing anything because you want to and being sincere makes you a laughingstock. Without hiding behind 9001 layers of irony, you simply aren't allowed to exist at all.

>>750562546
troons just never fucking learn, their westoidalism brain disease is terminal, they are incapable of pragmatism

It's easier than ever to make a game (even before the good AI models). Low budget indie games will end up like old flash games where people just did them for fun and didn't expect payment.

>>750554717
balatro had a strong marketing campaign.

>>750549990
Pixel is on it's way out exactly because of this. >>750550043
Unless it's bombastic like the shitty ones using AI shaders i wouldn't even bother. Too many of them and yours won't get noticed

>>750568617
>Low budget indie games will end up like old flash games where people just did them for fun and didn't expect payment
that's literally exactly how all of the best indies (actual indies, not the bullshit that people falsely call "indie" these days) ever made were made, cave story, dwarf fortress, elona, la mulana, tower of the sorcerer, barkley shut up and jam gaiden, these people made their games because they had a passion for making something that didn't exist yet, instead of being moneygrubbing little niggerfaggots trying to chase trends in frivolous the pursuit of cash, that's the difference between them and all the troons making "indie" games now

>having emotions is tranny now
the only alpha male conservative game is call of duty these days, teaches you how to die for israel (the only right way to die)

>>750555406
explain why ai is bad, troon

>>750550063
True. When i read the description it sounded fine until i saw the word "emotional" then i knew it was shit

>>750549990
>boss fight only action adventure where every encounter is a unique and emotional showdown
hard pass

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>>750555406
no they arent paid marketers.
AI psychosis is real and many have turned into enthralled true believers. And many also absorb marketing speech and spread it verbatim for free.

Here's a suggestion:
Do it for free.

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>>750568490

>>750551185
So you've done your dues and bought the La-Mulana series, right?

>>750558485
third worlder bucket crabs mostly.

I just don't get these developers. If your first game is going to take more than 6 months to finish, then don't even bother.
In fact, 6 months is already way too long for this. When I found out it was possible to monetize adult games on Patreon, I spent 3 months working on one (an RPG Maker game where there was a girl you could romance). I released it there to see how people would react. It wasn't until I saw that there were enough people interested and that I could make enough money to justify the project that I started really working.
I think it's crazy that anyone would think: nah... instead of 3 months, I'm going to spend 20 times as long, without any kind of feedback or fan base or even any certainty that this will attract anyone...

>>750560704
Fluffiest writes 'feels or felt like' 20 times in his review. It's not objective and is a trash review.

>>750558485
AItards are trying to demoralize so that you pay for their gay subscription

don't bother unless you're doing it for passion

>>750570667
That's precisely how it works. AI will tear apart your shitty code and lay its contents bare in a human-readable format for all to see and modify to their heart's content.
If you don't believe this is true, then congratulations: YOU are a Neanderthal.

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Why do people copy the lamest parts of anime?

>>750571545
Get claude to decompile 4chan right now then

>>750550768
>>750551149
>>750562852
You never be white, you always be a shit skins.
your mother was raped by pigs and shit you out.

>>750549990
Grok copy this game but make it something that will sell millions and post iton steam.

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>>750571545
>That's precisely how it works. AI will tear apart your shitty code and lay its contents bare in a human-readable format for all to see and modify to their heart's content.
If you don't believe this is true, then congratulations: YOU are a Neanderthal.

>>750550870
Coffin of andy?

>>750554460
>>750563156
>>750563161
Papers, Please but if it's shit with feature and menu bloat.
There appears to be very little balance or intuitive cash flow. Sometimes you just get 10 people back-to-back trying to sell to you like it's an MMO and you're the literal trash vendor. Sometimes you just get handed money for no reason. Reputation just slides up and down like it's nothing. Aimless shopkeeper loop that feels like you're making no progress at all, just buying more plates the spin.

Extremely poorly translated, which should be a sin in the decade of AI, let alone in an English speaking world. You don't have to worry about catching anyone illegal or a hijacked AI body because they just announce it straight away.

For some reason the developer decided neon signs = "I will buy your shit" and not "I'm selling this shit". It does tell you this but it's retarded.

Plenty of quickchunguses and little stories that don't matter. Nothing matters. I doubt it's even well written in its original language.

>>750571795
>>750571843
I'd be upset too if I dilated for five years and still wasn't a woman. That's what you get for wasting your times instead of being smart and using AI

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>>750572382
>no.. n... no... YOU!

getting into game dev (and ESPECIALLY indie game dev) to "make money" is a fools errand. Unless you're extremely passionate about game dev and treat it as a hobby first and foremost then you're just dooming yourself to burnout and hate

>>750572689
That's not... what? You called me an Indian, I'm calling you a tranny. And by your reaction image, I see was right on the money. Dilate

>>750558485
>I made a castle out of dog shit by hand!
>IT'S NOT AI, WHY DIDN'T NOBODY BUY

I hate this entitled prick attitude. It doesn't matter how many hours you put into anything, they can be a complete waste if the final product sucks. Not saying your game does, but you need to manage your fucking expectations. Are you buying every no name indie game on Steam? Do you have any idea how many thousands there are? In this market, the cream of the crop raises to the top and you're lucky if you get any scraps at all with such stiff competition.

Make your passion projects because you enjoy doing it and want to share it with others and be happy that anyone plays it at all, or make something that's going to sell like hotcakes. Either way, nobody owes you anything.

>>750573025
God, you are know retarded faggot.
Not only your a shit skin, you are a troon and a dog fucker. When you hang yourself everyone you know, will be better off. both your mother and father will be happy your gone.

I feel like indie games want to look like Cave Story but end up looking like it's shitty later versions instead

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>>750573225
>are you know
>your a
Uh-oh, troony indie dev melty! Too bad nothing you say will bring back all those years you wasted making Troon Simulator #42983.

>>750549990
The audience decides whether something is emotional or endearing, not the ad blurb.

>>750556515
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>>750549990
why would I play this over for example Minish Cap? which i can emulate 4 free

>>750549990
Spend two months on a vampire survivor clone, incremental or roguelike deckbuilder and make shitton of money instead of spending 5+ years on genres nobody cares about

>>750556515
>"check out my game"
>"I don't like it."
>"how many games have you made then, huh? HUH?"
That's just as stupid as claiming every game that fails does so due to a lack of quality or originality.

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>>750549990
>dev spends 10 years on a game
>it's a success
Can happen, but you're not entitled to success just because you spend a lot of time on it.

>>750549990
this game looks fake. like if someone just made a bunch of pixel art scenes and then slapped life bars on it. something about the color scheme and lack of contrast. PISSIN ME OFF MAN

>>750550063
>not needed, the audience for these games is TINY
yes
>terraria
>valley
>vampires
>dave
yes
yes its TINY

>>750576183
to be fair only a solo dev could dream up this apex schizokino

>>750563505
>Indie game has tens of millions of dollars to work with
>It's still Indie
At what dollar amount would you say it's indie or double A? And when is it triple A? I bet you think Expedition 33 was an indie.

>>750549990
Because theyre retards who never fostered any other interests or skills during their childhood other than playing video games.

>>750565819
And no one instantly vibecoded an AI version and beat them to market?

>>750549990
It bombs because you don't properly test it with your target audience.

>>750550187
Honestly, from the demo, I didn't dislike the boss fights themselves, but they were a bit too far and few between. If that pace holds for the rest of the game, it's very eh.

The story was about what you'd expect for this kind of thing.

>>750556897
I'd be careful, It's Probably Stolen.

>>750549990
It doesn't even stand out visually. Neither the characters nor the game.

>>750576613
Indie means absolutely nothing anymore. What people ACTUALLY mean when they think of devs working out of their bedroom on a janitor's salary is "hobbyist."

Did he actually spend 5 years?
I took a look at the gameplay and a few things:
https://youtu.be/Lm0DVyiwqvI?t=4026
It looks generic as all hell style wise, but like you listen to this music for 30 seconds and tell me this is something you can stand playing.
The combat bits also feel extremely floaty, like its someone first game dev who doesn't have a good feel for hit motion and movement of characters.

>>750579671
https://youtu.be/Lm0DVyiwqvI?t=7204
In this scene some random npcs gets killed on stage in a silly way and the two protagonists off to the side literally talk "Oh my god they just killed everyone.... and the crowd is cheering!"
"Comeon we have to stop them!".
This is the blandest way to write something imaginable.

>>750572857
I agree, but given how much assets cost to make you should be at least trying to recoup some of what you spent on your venture, but you probably shouldn't go in with the intent of making a profit.

>>750564662
Yeah I had forgotten that, good point.

why didnt he use ai lmao

>>750563505
yes it LITERALLY fucking does, you fucking retarded zoomoidal octuple NIGGER

>>750578935
This. People call Dave the Diver and Silksong indies ffs