THERE IS NO HOPE FOR MAN
>>750527698Yes.
If you destory the working parts what you get is a broken machine.
My hero would never.
Megaman is so fucking cool I hope they keep it as is. I don't trust hollywood and the west to adapt it if they didn't think to make the modern cartoon they did based on the original art style from the japanese cover art
>>750527698How did this resolve with Wily surviving?
>>750527698No. The Japanese side probably isn't even aware this line exists. They're the ones creating the games and stories. At most future translations will try to force parity. The intelligent thing is to just ignore an old incorrect translation.
>>750527698yea
>>750530110it's a game for kids
>>750531749What a worthless reply
>>750527698The blue bodysuit is his skin
>>750527698Whether or not you like him saying the quiet part out loud (which Capcom still approved) it is unmistakable that he raised his buster to Wily while the man bwgged for his life, and did NOT move to help him when the ceiling collapsed on him. So the sentiment remains the same.Personally I like the line read. Adds impact to an already raw moment. For a moment that little android's brain ticked over to "Why don't I just fucking kill him and be done with this?" A very 'human' moment for Rock, even if he ultimately hesitated
>>750530110Ceiling fell down. Bass stepped in and rescued the old man. Rock fucked off back to the lab
>>750527698>Has Buster out, charging shot>Puts buster away and just yells "Die Wily" while standing stillThe change in dialogue is obvious from that alone.
I’ve been using panel & sword-focused chip folders the entire game, all of which are worthless against him. I’ve traded most of my excess chips to the battle chip trader so I can’t exactly “just switch them out”. How the fuck do I beat this guy?
>>750527698No, localizations are fanfiction
>>750533027>unmistakable that he raised his buster to Wily while the man bwgged for his lifeAnd then put it down after Wily;'s line. Which leads to this awkward moment where blue boy yells that he's more than a Robot while not aiming nor charging his buster.
>>750532021Okay kid
>>750533269Yo-Yo program advances melts him. Just add a bunch of yo-yos to your folder + invis
>>750533269If you have a Grass style your charged buster will wreck the barrier protecting the core, I think the Aqua style charged buster can also charge fast enough to break through as well. After that it's just spam Lifeswords, I guess. If you're playing Blue having access to Folderback means you can just never run out of chips either.> I’ve traded most of my excess chips to the battle chip trader so I can’t exactly “just switch them out”.That was a retarded decision and one you should not repeat on any BN game you decide to play going forward. Always keep enough copies of a chip that you can max it in your folder, even if you think it's shit.
>>750533502Don't all Zeta PAs already come with built-in invis? Though having invis for surviving turns is probably also a good idea for someone who is struggling against Alpha.
>>750533159Thanks anon, always wondered about this.
>>750533269A reminder we'll never get a Battle Network game that's about the Alpha Revolt.Because it'll probably happen in real life with all the AI slop spreading
>>750533416Also on the note of capcom's approval. Pic is a Japanese translation of the English line where Protoman refers to Mega as his brother. Capcom also approved this despite Japanese media pointing to Megaman still not knowing the truth about Proto. Really weird how Capcom gave permission for this important story moment and then immeidately forgot they did that and continued pretending Mega doesn't know.
>>750533502I know Higsby sells some but he probably doesn’t have multiple codes for the PA. I guess I’ll have to farm yo-yos. Thanks.>>750533545I had grass style earlier in the game. The charge was busted, but I switched to HeatShield to try it out. I am indeed playing Blue but there’s no way I’m farming 150+ bug fragments for FolderBack. Trading the excess chaff wasn’t retarded at the time, as they were randomly coded chips with no synergy at all and my chip folders were destroying the game. I’ll keep it in mind going forward I guess.
>>750534213I mean the cat was immediately out of the bag when they allowed his English name to be Proto Man.
>>750534249>there’s no way I’m farming 150+ bug fragments for FolderBack.Deleting a navi with a counter hit will net you 10 bugfrags. With a Lifesword folder that's very easy on someone like Gutsman. It genuinely shouldn't take you more than 15 minutes to get 150.In regards to chipcodes you should check Gamefaqs, there should be a faq that lists what busting ranks you need to get certain chips to drop. Don't forget to grab the Collect Program for your Navicust so you don't get Zenny.
>>750534351Japanese Material tells you the reader and player they're brothers. The point is that Megaman doesn't know.
>>750533416That really bugs you huh? Second time you've pointed at it. He was clearly hesitant, so I don't see the big deal about him lowering his weapon. It's like bein mad he charged up and ultimately didn't shoot>>750534213Okay. They still have to approve the script for the overseas version of their game. So it's no less official regardless of whatever you're trying to imply.
>>750534497Alright, I didn’t know all that. Thanks.
>wait a decade plus for act 3>basically give up on it>one day it actually comes out>still haven't listened to it
>>750535128DO IT
>>750533269Go to that secret jack in port with the collect program and farm Shake 2 chips.
>>750533269I liked using Tornado and Atk+... I think
>>750535128>cringemen
>>750534703>Second time you've pointed at itI didn't see that guy's reply. Wouldn't have bothered restating it otherwise.>He was clearly hesitant>DIE WILY!!>so I don't see the big deal about him lowering his weaponIt doesn't fit the English. If you're going to argue that the English was intended or was a valid interpretation, you have to address why it doesn't align with the visuals on screen. If you don't care about whether it's intended, go ahead. But you can't respond to a "Is this canon" question with "whether or not you like" because that implies a basis in fact and not feelings.>So it's no less officialIt's directly contradicted in material for ロックマン&フォルテ(Megaman and Bass) >コックマンは知らないが、ロック マンの兄にあたる。They can't both be true. One side is clearly making a mistake.
>>750527698He didn't say the latter in the original.
>>750527698>Wily believes in the first rule of robotics; Robots don't hurt humans.So...what danger is Mega Man saving humans from if they can't hurt humans?
>>750527698Some of the best things in Megaman are stuff that just never happened.
>>750536371He doesn't say he beliefs in those rules. He's just surprised the robot is about to shoot him. He can believe the rules are hogwash while also believing other people follow them.
>>750527698No. It's sloppy localization fanfiction.
>>750531373>The intelligent thing is to just ignore an old incorrect translationNo. This is the version most people grew up with. The japs should be forced to adapt. I will not forfeit my culture to slants.
>>750535128#justtoxotrannythings
>>750539789Must be French.
>>750536107>It doesn't fit the EnglishIt does. He was upset but hesitant so instead of just shooting he stopped short and yelled. It's fine. And it is canon. As canon as the name "Mega Man". It's not an unofficial fan translation. But if you prefer the Jap version of the scene, that's okay too. They're both official Capcom releases.
>>750527698I feel like the localizers tried to make it edgy like X
>>750527698which mega man is this exactly?
>>750540395The original one. The second android built by Dr. Light, classic Rock (Mega Man)
>>750535128Act 3 is mid and the ending puts it straight into shit territory
>>750540395Oh you mean which game, my bad. It's the 7 ending
>>750531686This would've been so fucking cool if it was in the game.
>>750540546good kek. I just finished 5 so im getting to 7 eventually, but I am going to take a break for now
>>750531686
i never get the logic that a localization isn't canon. the company puts it out as an official translation and it comes after usually so it should retcon the japanese version until a sequel confirms or disconfirms what happened. MM8 doesn't even reference it. if it comes from Capcom, how can it be non-canon
>>750527698Pure fanfiction. It even has the slow ellipsis text like from the Japanese version because localizers couldn't change how text is presented.
>>750536107>They can't both be true. One side is clearly making a mistake.NTA but I don't think that's his point. When they've made that same "mistake" more than once on the English side, for years, and Japan continuously approves the lines indicating that Rock knows Blues is his brother, are there really any actual mistakes being made, technically speaking? At what point is someone on the dev team actually just "okay" with the situation? Because if it was such a big deal, someone would've corrected future appearances of the mistake by now, but... they haven't. We know for a fact that plenty of Japanese devs will go out of their way to correct localizations to keep their story and lore consistent, even for children's games. The questions you need to ask are: Why not for Mega Man, and why not here?There's the rather telling fact that Rockman 5 was supposed to have a big reveal for Blues and his relation to Rock and Roll:https://x.com/Kobun20/status/1586419086212358146Someone got cold feet, apparently, since Rock went right back to "who tf was that guy lmfao" then and afterward. But the key takeaway here is that it does lend credence to the notion that someone on the Japan side was "okay" with the west's interpretation of the plot point regarding Blues, and why they never bothered correcting it. My best guess is that someone, Inafune or whoever, decided that Rock knowing about Blues' origin was actually fine overseas, but decided to keep the plot point the same in Japan to avoid confusion there. Or something. Shit's definitely weird, but I don't think either version is more or less valid than the other in this specific instance, mostly due to the apparent reluctance on Japan's part to "correct" the west's version. They seem content with the way things are on both sides. So it's strange when people "ERM ACTUALLY" about this, since Japan clearly doesn't mind Rock knowing about Bruce in the west.
>>750535128It was very meh. Not awful, not great.
>>750536107Why does google translate turn that last line into Cockman?
>>750527698Better question: how different would the timeline have been had he gone through with it? Would Rock be decommissioned? Do the X games still happen? Would Zero even exist?
>>750540482Filtered
>>750535128I'll give you the QRD so you don't have to waste your time>THIS CITY>THIS CITY>THIS CITY>FIRE>THIS CITY>EMILY>FIRE >THIS CITY>ACK!
Leveling a weapon at someone isn't edgy. Yelling at them is edgy. Says a lot about people's priorities these days.
GUILTYYYYYYYYY
>>750541347Light gets told to fuck off with his robotics. Wily doesn't finish his wips including Zero. Rock and all of Light's bots get decommissioned. Cossack becomes the new it guy. Cain still probably finds Light's old notes but reploids aren't a thing.
>>750541347>Do the X games still happen? Would Zero even exist?Whether we like it or not officially every Megaman series takes place on its own separate timeline. So in the classic timeline none of those games were going to happen anyway.Megaman X is set in an alternate future to the classic series, Zero in an alternate future to the X series and so on.
>>750541761>Leveling a weapon at someone isn't edgy.>in MMZ you can level the saber by slashing at CielAre you sure about that?
>>750541941Damn, that is edgy. I prefer Alouette anyway
>>750542161Tell her about the time Zero killed the baby elves.
>>750541941Aren't humans in the Zero timeline basically partially robot anyway and are tougher?
>>750542442I don't recall. But the few humans we see (Doc Ciel and Neige) don't seem all that enhanced. Well I guess Wile is, but he seems like a special case
>>750542442No. They're still normal humans. Even Ciel's a normal human, albeit lab created. She doesn't get cybernetics until after Z4 where she basically cheats the system by living past 100 years.
>>750527698Is this canon?
>>750529683My hero would. End that shit right now.
>>750541237I going to look into this more. But at the moment, I"m 90% sure this is a misinterpretation. >インタビュアーは、わたしロール。それでは、はじまり〜!!Nothing on this page is canon, it's an in-character interview explaining the game.
Why is Mega Man like this...
>>750543117He's a good, brave boy. Those are like catnip for thots
>>750535128The Good Doctor Part 2 makes it worth it, but neither Act 2 and 3 can beat Act 1 for me. Act 1 just feels the least distant from Mega Man despite Wily never coming close to taking over anything in classic.
>>750542442No. Ciel herself IS a test tube baby though but she's still human.
>>750543359
>>750543705kekCuris are so fucking dumb, I love it
>>750531686Taiyoken bitch
>>750544027>the boss rush rematchhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zQ7OJAzXMo
GIVE US THE DOCTOR
>>750543014https://x.com/ariga_megamix/status/1808097949165277630Got a little closer.This guy here says not canon. Just for the sake of exposition.
>>750545037Quote>コミックボンボンの記事は講談社の編集者が書いています 限られた誌面で読者に情報を伝えるために、強引な紹介の仕方をすることがあり、これは児童書のお約束でもあります
>>750541347X would probably have never happened. The law would've shut Light's robotics workshop down permanently. Megaman physically couldn't do it anyway since he's a robot and doesn't really have free will like a reploid does.
>>750545084Guy has a wikipedia page. Looks like he did author stuff for comic Bon Bon. Think this actually an authoritative source. So just an in-character interview for the kids. So it's not evidence Rockman was intended to know Blues was his brother.
>>750541729Gotta admit I didn’t see Light jacking off into a music box in front of Wily coming.
>>750545361Final note. Immediately upon reading the interview section without further research I clocked it as being something for kids. Not canon. And it's a crazy deduction. If you have a basic level of Japanese, it naturally reads that way. The only way you'd interpet as an idea they walked back is if you were coming from the angle of knowing about how Blues is overseas and were looking for corroborating evidence in Japanese. Which is a major problem with these kinds of translations. They bleed over into other material and breed more misunderstandings.
>>750546969*It's not a crazy deduction.
>>750531373>>750527698Why would megaman just try to shoot and kill him to begin with? specially how Inafune hated dark stuff in that series after how badly Super Adventure Rockman was perceived by the public, not to mention this infamous event never came back into question in the later games, they just forgot Rock tried to shoot Wily
>>750534213Capcom Japan or Capcom America, i bet you anything worth its soul that the japs just were unaware what the americans were doing to their games.
>>750548017Isn't this the game where Roll was on death's door because of a virus and Rockman needed a cure?
>>750548254No that's 10.
>>750544148
>>750549006Damn. No idea then.
>>750549006>>750548254What the fuck, THAT is the plot of 10?Maybe I should play it
I'll never forget how the mecha dragon's big round belly made me feel funny inside as a kid
>>750540125I think you mean Algerian.
>>75054970810's plot is Wily infects robots with robot flu that acts partially like a pseudo maverick virus. MM and co gets hit with it too.
>>750548092Probably yeah. The Japanese side just isn't going line by line. They're trusting the job was done to a professional standard because that what the translators were hired for. The translators are very likely not forthcoming about arbitary changes. For as much as often as the claim of working closely with all the parties involved is made, it's not the truth. It's corporate speak.
>>750551971Exactly this, localizers hates japan and kept them in the dark and the japanese were lazy dummies who didnt not learn proper english to kepp up things right.
>>750527698After that boss fight, you can hardly blame him for wanting to kill Wily.
>>750552161>japanese were lazy dummies who didnt not learn proper english to kepp up things rightNot really I think. There's a corporate culture. You don't rock the boat. It probably broadly goes unnoticed because of the language barrier and then even if it does get noticed, no one says anything. And even if someone were to say something, it's loud obnoxious American saying the change is necessary because language differences that they're uniquely aware of because their professional translators vs Native Japanese people with varying levels of English proficiency. It's a recipe for betraying the unwritten social contract.
>>750542945Obviously. That manga getters it.
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>>750549247
>>750553906Nips also have a pretty non-confrontational way of going about things typically. You'll only see them bitch about foreigners and tourists on online platforms where they quietly seethe.
>>750527698No. The original is closer to this.>Dr. Wily: F-Forgive me, Rock! I was wrong! I'll never do bad things again! So please... forgive me!>Dr. Wily: W-Wait... Rock! Are you going to shoot me?! You're going to shoot me, aren't you?! Have you forgotten the rules of robotics?! A robot must never harm a human!>Rockman: ...>Forte: You're too soft, Rockman!>Forte: Let's go, Lord Wily!>Dr. Wily: Oh! Forte!>Forte: Rockman! We will settle this once and for all eventually! Remember that!Pretty funny that someone took "..." and turned it into "DIE, MOTHERFUCKER!"
>>750527698Capcom WTF.
Odds of Zero being revealed in this game?
what the FUCK is his problem?
>>750556786Close to zero
>>750556786Zero.
>>750527698I wonder what japanese fans think about this alteration of rockman 7
anybody with Claude experience here can do a small hack of Rockman 4 Minus Infinity that restores the normal blinkin time of Megaman to the normal games (the normal mode in RM4MI is too fast and barely lasts half a second), while making the blinking time of the bosses back to how it was in the first 3 megaman's? that would make the game much easier and without the need to resort to tricks.Please dont GIT GUD LAKOSKILL or any buzzwords like that, its just a personal request.
>>750558110That sounds like it'd just be a matter of finding a couple hex values and change them to a higher value.
>>750558035If they're anything like the Japanese devs, apparently, the Japanese fans are all either too retarded and oblivious to have any notion of it, or else too spineless to do anything but quietly seethe. Thank God they have such passionate advocates to defend them.Or alternatively, maybe they don't care at all about minor changes to the US version
>>750558375Why should they care? Do you care about foreign localizations of English games? The original language matters universally to hardcore fans. The localized language only matters to the people being localized to.
>Mega Man DUAL OverrideAre you ready for his triumphant return, /v/?
>>750559178>the original matters universally to hardcore fansThat explains why we're in a Rockman thread right now. And also discussing it in nihongo. Cuz we's hardcore
>>750548017Inafune has his issues but he was right in that front. If you want a darker tone, that's what the X games are for. Classic Mega Man is for Saturday Morning cartoon hijinx.
>>750559326No. I mean we only care about the Japanese lore because it's the original. If Mega Man were originally American, we wouldn't give Rockman the time of day.What changes do you think were made to the Japanese localization of Fallout New Vegas? Have you ever thought about it? What about Skyrim? Doom? Same deal here. The Japanese probably don't care about western localizations of Japanese games. They don't care that Vava became Vile, that Subaru became Geo, or that Rock Volnutt became MegaMan Volnutt.
>>750559525Fair enough.
>>750545153This whole idea that the Classic robots don't have "free will" has always been bullshit. Rock was a cleaning robot that CHOSE to fight Wily, completely on his own accord. Nothing in his programming would suggest he was capable of doing that. Blues chose to run away from home out of fear of his own mortality. If that isn't free will, then what even is?
>>750558256i am not a coder nor decoder so how would i know what hex number to change?
>>750559817It's autonomy with vague constraints. Restraints that X and reploids apparently lack.Basically Rock and Roll are on the cusp of gaining full sentience (over simulating it through complex programming) but fully capitalizing upon that potential required building a whole new framework in X... I would assume. It's left fairly vague because, yanno, cartoon-level plot
>>750559860Just look up how to use something like a cheat engine. It's the same principle. Hell, cheat engine might even be able to do it.
>>750560121The Archie comic is the literal dumbest possible explanation for that because Light outright says that Rock was going beyond his initial programming the literal arc before that page. It's just one of a long list of reasons the Archie comics fucking sucked.
>>750560732I was just using it as an example. As I said, it's left very vague in the games, unlike that comic that tries to set the distinction. It's probably something similar though.
Super Fighting Robot
>>750561705MEH-GAH MAN!
>named Tank Man>not tank as in some kind of World War II tank>a literal fucking tank>a container...kino?
>>750562854a walking cum jar prison
>>750556786none
>>750556548The sentiment is the same, they just removed any and all nuance for the NA version.
>>750527698That scene hits different if you read it in megaman 8's voice
>>750531373this is a myth of a myththe original japanese isn’t as vulgar, but it still implies the same thing (megaman angry at wily for his repeated crimes)
I beat X3 a couple days ago. The early game was insanely miserable, then you just kinda start breezing through. Not a fan of the weapons and not a fan of the Sigma fight. The chip system and the walker armor systems are some of the most undercooked shit I've ever seen.Still, it's more Mega Man X so I had a decent time with it. Can't wait to jump into X4
>>750549830It's just a big air balloon. How can you get off to robots, they're made of cold lifeless synthetic parts.
