Why didn't he just shut the fuck up
>>224017484yeah
>>224017484cato di tutti cati told him sabotage the truce
>>224017484Despite being a son of a mob boss he had a mind of a suburban middle class dad with all his talk about dreams and feelings and whatnot. Instead of ending the sitdown then and there he started listing all the problems Tony and Phil had, as if to make sure they're really over it, not realizing the only right move was to never mention any of it again. Still, it didn't really matter because Phil had a chip on his shoulder and clipping him was the only way to solve the problem. Tony B really messed up hard
>>224017484>>224017585>messed uphe did it on purpose
I think it was done on purpose
>>224017628>>224017635He had nothing to gain, he was out of game living his life, with Johnny Sack gone he didn't even have to worry about getting killed
>>224017684Eh. He sort of wanted them all gone.
>>224017635he's not that smart
>>224017977You'd be surprised. My group of friends think I'm a complete retard but don't realize I'm actually 200+ iq and a secret mastermind
>>224017684>>224017977There was literally a scene where his guys asked him if he wanted to take the war to Phil, and his response was to say he didn't want to play it that way. He's the Claudius of The Sopranos, he pretended to be a complete retard which allowed him to win in the end since nobody took him seriously.
>>224017635This. The war only served to his benefit in the long run because he knew that NY would end up getting a bigger piece of NJ mob interests either way and he'd be a necessary mediator between the surviving factions regardless of how it panned out. >>224017684>he was out of the gameNo, he wasn't. Otherwise he wouldn't have been at the last "peace negotiation" (shortly before Tony gets killed)
>>224018034He was treated like a neutral party and he still had some clout as a Lupertazzi, likely was still getting lots of cash from not so legal business ventures, but otherwise he was more or less just chilling and staying retired. Whether Phil or Butchie take the big seat or whether Tony lives or not doesn't really matter to him
>>224018031pretending to be a complete retard is easily one of the highest IQ plays in social posturing, right next to acting like you're connected but estranged
>>224018075It absolutely matters to him because those top players taking each other out translates to a bigger slice of the pie for him when the dust settles
>>224018102He's not running NY in any shape or form, so whatever NY takes after Tony's death will go to whoever is running NY by that time and not Carmine, who most likely has enough sources o money to stay rich for the rest of his life
>>224018115He definitely still has a stake in mob affairs in NY as otherwise he wouldn't have been at the last pivotal negotiation of the series between NY-NJ. The idea he was "retired" by the finale isn't actually supported by the plot. Him telling Tony he wasn't interested in being a mobster anymore at the country club earlier was just another maneuver.
>>224018034>shortly before Tony gets killednever happened
>>224018135>Him telling Tony he wasn't interested in being a mobster anymore at the country club earlier was just another maneuver.Now that's something that's not actually supported by the plot. We can discuss it, it's not improbable, but come on. Sure, he still, most likely, had a stake in whatever NY was earning, but he was clearly not willing to stick his neck out so only agreed to fully neutral proposals, like hosting a sitdownNot saying Carmine can't be this secret mastermind, but there's not enough evidence to prove it
>>224017585>Tony B really messed up hardHe only did what he did because some NY guys told him to wack a guy and then Phil wacked his friend and then Tony B wacked Bill so in the end it was an infight withing the Lupertazzi mob family and not Tony B's fault they were killing each other after the old man died.
Tony lost each of his souls over the course of the season and when he is shot in the final scene, his final soul, the remains, dies, and the name of his director, David Chase, comes in
>>224018194Well, he both is and isn’t a secret mastermind. The fact is being a top level mob boss like that does actually mean being several classes above everybody while still being an idiot. You don’t really have to be there, and you can basically rile these idiots any way you want with mostly impunity because you don’t have to do any footwork in the organization. Something funny about it all he is good at the job almost exactly because he’s the perfect dumbass to be in charge of such a dumb ass organization. And he’s fearless kind of out of stupidity, which protects him a lot.
>>224017484it's a doggie dog world out there
>>224018082It's practiced a lot but usually signalled explicitly due to the overt passive-aggressive stance that inevitably accompanies it. Ironically, there is sincerity is doing it explicitly, in hopes the listener will catch on and change behavior or such. Doing it sincerely in the external lacks sincerity, as it masks conscious contempt inside a cruel joke of insincerity.
>>224018401Repeating their keywords as questions as if you aren’t familiar with the vocabulary (Solid Snake dialogue) is a good application of this
>>224018450Solid Snake dialogue?
>>224018342and I'm the fucking chinaman
>>224018158Good Morning Sir
I think Carmine Jr. was much more intelligent than his demeanor would suggest. After all, he outlived every single one of his associates and retained his high status. He's my underrated character alongside Silvio
>>224018031>>224018082its incredible how nobody believes he only pretended to be stupid. his father did the same thing too, that is where learned to do it
>>224019945I would say he was wiser than the others, not necessarily more intelligent. There's a difference.
>>224020012Yeah, fairPrudent would be a better term actually
>>224020646That you are part of the group, even if they don’t recognize you. (Sneaking in by looking and acting like you belong there)Being gay is also a top infiltration strategt
>>224017628No he didn't
>>224020691He’s using magic esoteric and religious language to talk about ideas that were never really designed to be communicated in English at all. He’s also throwing in his St. Louis accent. But you are also correct. The author is willfully trying to act and think beyond modern western traditions, and was on all sorts of crazy drugs on and off his whole life (also a very intelligent Harvard graduate). Type of guy who actually does read hieroglyph to get advice about how to think of life.He also prioritize his rhythm and we’ll put together a sentence strangely if he feels it flows better or act better as something of a lyricHence, why you first heard this passage as a spoken word piece in a song featured in an HBO show
>>224020725William S Burroughs, (Naked Lunch, The Soft Machine, Cities of the Red Night) who wrote and spoke the Seven Souls intro and was an expert at getting information far above his clearance by sniffing out the fellow homosexuals in a group, having an orgy together, and then asking them about their secret projects and how their business works
>>224018274>>224020776Where does Kevin Finnerty fit into all of this?
>>224018834>Good Morning Sir
>>224020890Tony’s double, who he would have been if his Sekhem did not push the wrong buttons.Kev Infinity
step outside, OP
Yes ‘Venusian’ does mean women
This guy >>224021289 was responding to this >>224021293Suit yourself, pal.
>>224018227Wacking Phil's baby brother (or Phil for that matter, as that was the intended target) was not part of the Lupertazzi infighting. That was Tony B all on his own. He went off the reservation.
>>224021289Also>a lot of people don’t have guardian angels because they don’t want them. Your sex drive will betray you and suck you dry and even get you STDs. You can only trust your ego, he’s the only one who’s selfish with you, but you have to know yourself to do that. Most people are really just empty bodies moving about their day. Learn to read
>>224018135>He definitely still has a stake in mob affairs in NY as otherwise he wouldn't have been at the last pivotal negotiation of the series between NY-NJAgain, he was the neutral mediator there. If he had a major stake in the NY mob affairs he wouldn't be a neutral party.
>>224021405He’s the boss of the whole operation, he was literally administrating to his crew leaders and performing damage control as he decided if they could work together or if one party or both needed to be shot
>>224021438Are you talking about the sit down where he mentions Billy? I assumed by "last pivotal negotiation of the series between NY-NJ" you meant the sit down between Butchie and Tony. Nontheless, none of what you describe implies that he has any big stake in NY.>as he decided if they could work together or if one party or both needed to be shotThis is just your head canon. He makes no such decision.
>>224021438No he wasn't. Put down your phone next time you watch.
>>224021580Dude, what is it called when the boss of of your organization intervene between two of his subordinates? What is the Lupertazzi crime family do you think? Do you figure the mafia here or just a bunch of separate clubs who all happen to know one neutral friend who helps them out but who they also all pay the highest share to?
>>224021248Artie (broken) Bucco
>>224021559https://youtu.be/LtcEvKj0mMshttps://youtu.be/3x3NibKpMlghttps://youtu.be/eoU725HK0aoGlad you like it, I have become something of a scholar of this author due to how captivating the seven souls intro in Sopranos is. I’m pretty much gonna be in these threats for the rest of my life bringing this author up (he’s a core inspiration for the show. Not just a loose reference David Chase loves this guy) so feel free to ask anything anytime.You will probably greatly enjoy simply listening to the Bill Laswell album ‘The Western lands’ where that seven souls track comes from which is all made of spoken word from this author and from his book The Western Lands
>>224021549I don’t know what you’re talking about, but I want you to know that these esoteric knowledge is are as old as the civilizations who founded them and have been discussed in philosophized heavily ever since. You’ll also find that overtime you can accumulate something close to the total knowledge of esotericism and you’ll notice that it’s really a lot of the same symbols and a lot of different people are talking about the same things.
>>2240174842 possibilities>baby carmine was actually 6 million IQ and all his blunders that coincidentally fucked over tony and the other NY guys that worked to keep him and his friends from the big seat were intentionalOr>he really is that retardedThe first one goes well with him being the one who had tony whacked at the end
>>224021549But if you’re talking about Alan Moore, yes Alan Moore loves William Burroughs, has read his books and references his books directly in his work
>>224018075Both Phil and Tony were bitter thin-skinned retards who had people murdered on the least pretext, they didn't put business first and were a threat as long as they both lived
>>224017484He wanted to discuss the bonus situation
In the next thread, I will be discussing William Golding‘s novel, Pinter Martin, and how it applies to the Sopranos and Tony’s ending. Needless to say, Tony certainly did not practice the technique of dying gracefully towards heaven. He did not have the courage to let go and as a matter of fact, lives in an unending cyclical Hell that is his biological film called David Chase’s ‘The Sopranos’. Such are the wages of godless greed, he should have listened when Death came to him in that coma.
>>224017484ego
>>224017484little known fact, Little Carmine was a dashing figure in the 1980s primetime soap opera Dynasty
>>224022418Oh yeah most of his books are dream-like surrealist works with multiple intended and permissibly unintended meanings, there are linear segments and linear storylines, but he really likes to play with the senses and gesture at ideas, mostly. 'Cities of the Red Night' has a really great segment regarding the discovery, development, and deployment of government AIDS (Virus B-23 in the text, which also grants spontanous rapid pregnancy and glow colorful radiation and give you supernatural powers. He released this book six months before real AIDS was discovered, having invented this fictional STD epidemic on his own)His 'first' book Junky is a linear story about his experience getting hooked on heroin for 15 years, and then getting off it. That story's a good read but is a little less 'fun' because he hasn't fully figured out his sense of sardonic humor yet, though he still is an angry enough bastard to say 'a lesbian pulled my hair in elementary school and I wish I could stomp her head in but she since has been paralyzed from falling off a horse' and similar out-of-pocket statements
>>224022377If you mean Grant Morrison, he actually considers Burroughs his mentor, deliberately employs his writing techniques, and is considered by some fans as Burroughs' living successor.
>>224017484he won
Esotericitism is so fucking gay >Dark satanic shit
>>224024139Nah I'm just certain the famously paranoid gay WSB surmised it was only a matter of time before the government weaponized an STD to eliminate what he comically refers to 'our awkward constituents'. In CotRN, Virus B-23 actually turns your cum into caustic acid which can be shot like a bullet, gives you different radioactive superpowers, and allows spontaneous and near-instant birth from either sex. I've heard of Utopia, too. It appears to me all these bizarre disease developments are hilariously predictable. Most conceivable mutations of a disease seem to have been speculated in fiction, could hardly imagine something new coming out that hasn't been thought of by a writer before
Tony is baloney
Can't do that in these threads, apparently? It's all relevant to the inspirations of the show, you understand.
