>destroys your legacy Now that the dust has settled, was it worth it?
>>224008741Nothing Star Trek exists after Enterprise
>>224008777this
>>224008777This
>>224008777thisfpbp/thread
>>224008741He kept talking in onecontinuousunbrokensentencemovingfromtopictotopiccontinuousunbrokensentencemovingfromtopictotopiccontinuousunbrokensentencemovingfromtopictotopic
>>224008741JJ Abrams and pals entire job is to destroy sci-fi and fantasy legacies.Ending basic mythologies for the slave caste.That rich out of touch little queen killed the Picard character and helped burn the star trek brand down.
>>224008777this except VOY
>>224008777Absolutely this!
>>224008777Aye.
>>224008777This. The final episode wraps it all up nicely
>>224008741never watched it, never going to
>>224008741First two seasons are dog shit. Last season is merely okay
>>224008777>Nothing Star Trek exists after EnterpriseGet the fuck out of here.
>>224008741Whatever it takes, to defecate on straight white males things.
>>224009856lol the fuck do you like?
>>224008741gay faggot in space
>>224008741>ruins Star Trek: Insurrection>ruins Star Trek: Nemesis>stars in woke lefty Star Trek series promoting illegal immigration and the death of the West>kills off Picard, turns him into a robotI mourn!
>>224008777Way too generous. Nothing Star Trek exists after DS9
>>224008777how about the last episode of enterprise
>>224008741It was his choice. He knew what was coming - the same thing that happened to that retarded asshole, Mark Hamill.
>>224009973It was Stewart's idea to have Picard go die hard on the borg in first contact too
>>224008777>ENT is considered classic trek now rather than the beginning of the endHow much longer until the kelvin shit is apart of it too?
>>224009886this is what the old fart wanted
>>224010580This.Stewart was a shitlib even before he got demented. Dementia is a progressive condition. Picard S1 was what prime Stewart would have wanted.That means it wasn't Stewart who forced third season Picard to overhaul everything and git gud, it was Star Trek's fans who forced it on the show and on him.
>>224010585yeah but there he was right because first contact was great
>>224010580mark hamill was also a fart sniffing libtard who wanted it
>>224010656miserable fuckin prick maybe try finding SOMETHING in life to be happy about instead of just being a hateful fucking asshole, just try it for 5 minutes? fuckin christ, turn the edge off for a MOMENT im beggin you
>>224010580>the same thing that happened to that retarded asshole, Mark HamilActually, Mark Hamill only signed on to the sequel trilogy because he thought George Lucas was gonna direct it. And it too Harrison Ford to convince him to sign up. Then Lucas sold Star Wars and the contract to Disney. And as such, Hamill was bound to Disney.
season 3 redeemed it
>>224010686shit eating redditor. kill yourself
>>224008777>>224008780>>224008984absolutely reddit
>>224009151>>224009720>>224009777>>224009787more reddit horse shitnone of you even watched star trek
>>224008741The outpouring of grief and tributes suggests it did not
>>224012606Only been watching Star Trek since 1982 and own TOS, every TOS film, every TNG film, and watch DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise, but yeah never even watched it.
>>224009150Why isn't JJ Abrams more hated for being a slop peddler?
>>224008777This, but with TOS
>>224012797because the last thing he directly and irrevocably fucked up came out in 2019. Its been only 7 years but the current generational attitude has set in by now and i guarantee you if Rise of Skywalker came out today he would never work again.
>>224012851>he would never work again.Doubt it. Kurtzman still having any kind of career tells you all you need to know how tribal they are.
>>224008741There's a certain age I think, where it doesn't matter how much dog shit you make after your good run. People will forgive/forget about it, it's probably around 60
>>224012797His work on TV was legitimately good where you can do the mystery box shit that pays off over the course of the series, but it doesn't work for movies where people shouldn't have to read a comic just to find out some dumb fun fact about Shlub Bingo that explains why he sacrifices himself to save his nephew.
>>224008777enterprise was moslty pretty lame, but at least it tried to have some of the positive star trek idealism. That positivity is just GONE after that show
>>224012902>That positivity is just GONE after that showTis true. "Star Trek" became "Dark Wars" after Enterprise, except for Strange New Worlds, so I hear as I've seen but a few seconds here and there.
>>224008741He had Alzheimers and dementia. These diseases grow over time, often unnoticed. It explains his weird ideas later in life. For that, we should forgive him, but not his handlers.
>>224012194Next time this retard will think about adding a line>Only if Lucas make it and is free from all influence
>>224012930Yes. He already died in the late 90s. What he just experienced was the death of his body.
>>224009151Childhood is thinking Picard is the best captainAdolescence is thinking Sisko is the best captainAdulthood is knowing Janeway was the best captain
>>224012924>Star Trek" became "Dark Wars" after Enterprise,The rot crept in DURING DS9. DS9 ruined Star Trek by bringing in grim derp, religion, cynicism and pew pew Star Wars fans.
>>224012953Facts. They did have a few great episodes in the mix at least.
>>224012606Was watching Star Trek before you were even swimming around in your fathers nutsack. Now go back you little projecting bitch
>>224012940Picard still the best. Schizko was basically a terrorist and Insaneway was off her rocker half the time.
>>224013013There is that time he reprimanded and I think set up for arrest the sweet old lady that saved everyone by killing the murderous crystalline life form. That was lame.
>>224013027Yeah, but that episode was always kind of shit.
I think it makes Picard make way more sense. He was dying and had dementia.
>>224013051They had to draw the line HEE-YAH!
>just bog my shit up senpai
>>224012477tell me what you liked about the plot
>>224012953Absolutely true. DS9 introduced Section 31 and while it was pretty harmless at the time, it was basically used again and again to show that the Federation is evil at its core. Like there's nothing even wrong with the Federation having a secret intelligence program, but maybe it shouldn't exist when some evil guy keeps taking their super secret weapons for a joyride.
>>224013237>le not all xindi are your enemy, we can all sing kumbaya together one day but unironicallyI liked that part
>>224013602that's enterprise not picard
Never watched nu-Trek. QRD on what they did to Picard?
>>224008741it had half a good season so no.>>224008777picard season 3 episodes 4 and 5 exist and im here to remind you of them
>>224009828episode 4 was the best trek nutrek produced ever and it stands up to the best of TNGhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOHlN4PHMC0
>>224013639oh shit I forgot what this thread was about>season 3 redeemed itI thought no way they’re talking about picard
>>224013787this is dogshit kys immediately
>>224013676>Sir Patrick Stewart was a transgender[1][2][3][4][5][6] actorI don't think they did much to ruin her legacy desu. Seems right in line with what she believed
>>224013787>1 secondDING DING DING DING DING DING
>>224008741They messed up by showing the STD version of the Enterprise as the original, so Picard comfortably takes place in the same alternate reality as Discovery and Strange New Worlds.
>>224008777exactly, what kind of weakling follows the ((canon))
>>224008741He has been demented since 2016 (ten years), that includes all 3 seasons of Picard.
>>224013996Season 3 at least had an original Constitution class
>>224012477As much as that was improvement of rest of nu-Trek in its mediocrity, first two seasons are easily worst shit done by Kurtzman and his lackeys.
>>224014099The worse things about season 3 is that it references the first 2 seasons
>>224009074>>224008777>>224008741Time to revisit Pogo's videohttps://youtu.be/bl5TUw7sUBs
>>224008741The last Star Trek I watched was Voyager.
>>224014099Describe how it was an improvement.
>>224012797Because a lot of people fell for his mystery box writing so they just decide not to bring him up out of not wanting to relive the humiliation.
>>224008777wrongnothing exists past the original series
>>224008777triple 7s confirm this eternal truth, nuTrek lovers/apologists BTFO forever and ever
>>224013090She looked just as old in the 90s
>>224008741Season 3 redeemed the garbage that was season 1 and 2, it's probably the last good piece of Trek media we will ever get.
>>224008741I kept hearing the last season was good
>>224014678It is, because it stepped away from the political open borders propaganda of S1 and 2 and went with a classic Trek story. It's essentially a 10 hour movie and on par with Wrath of Khan quality wise, yes it is that good.
>>224013676They made it so his mother committed suicide which gave him trauma which sort of conflicts which this scene because he's relieved to see her and acknowledges that he's felt like her spirit has always been with him.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7zpAXBes3M
>>224008741S1 - fineS2 - badS3 - Kino
>>224015317Even with TNG you gotta know which episodes to ignore in order to keep having a good time.
>>224008741>star in left wing propaganda where you show a left wing utopian future where everyone has basic needs taken care of>no racism in the future>come back to the role decades later>everything is shit, everyone lives in poverty, brown people taken over everything>apologize for being CIS white scum>die leaving behind a left wing dystopian nightmare where everything is worse than it has ever beenlol
>>224015412Incredible that they don't realize the irony
>>224008741He probably needed the cash and it gave him something to do in his old age.
>>224008741I never watched this and never will.
>>224008741One of my greatest regrets in life is that I watched any Star Trek past 2005. And this series especially. At least I stopped after season 1. That season specifically killed all interest i had in Star Trek going forward
>>224008777It's been a long road, getting from there to here
>>224008741>had one of the worst forms of dementiaIt makes a lot more sense now.
>>224015370>S1 - fineWrong. it was dogshit>S3 - Kinofucking wrong. just memberberry bullshit
>>224014547>>224014841This is what lowering your standards does to you. Jesus Christ. Seek help.
>>224008741This show was good and I enjoyed it. I bet if I asked why it's bad, I'd get nothing but retarded culture war reasons.
>>224008777agreed
>>224012773Okay nerd
>>224014841I can smell how casual you are from here.
reposting this classic for picardrip
>>224017812It’s always nice to have a front loaded reason to dismiss valid criticism :)
>>224010646never
>>224010646you automatically disqualified it by differentiating it
>>224017912>valid
>>224017812Tell us what you thought was so good about it.
>>224012886>His work on TV was legitimately goodlmao
>>224018086I know. The average intelligence of boardies at show.
>>224008741Luckily nobody wanted it
>>224014841>on par with Wrath of Khan quality wiseCome on now
>>224008741will RLM do something to honor his legacy?
>>224018011I like to think ENT and the Kelvin films take place in the same timeline.I can understand the hate against PIC but dismissing it as non-canon while including the TNG films is rather inconsistent
>>224018350They'll make a short memorial of his accomplishments with a passive aggressive montage of scenes from Picard right at the end, because they're terrified of committing to any kind of sincerity all the way
>>224008777/thread
>>224018371ent canonically doesn’t exist at all in the tng timeline. That’s the sole reason it’s given a pass. The writers acknowledging they fucked up.
>>224018396I doubt they'll go that far, whatever they thought of Stewart his portrayal of Picard was too meaningful to them.Sort of like Shatner being the most blatant narcissist around, yet he still managed to credibly portray Kirk as having superhuman depth and empathy
>>224018452>ent canonically doesn’t exist at all in the tng timeline.Sounds like you forgot about a certain finale lmao
>>224018454fuck your efriends. fuck off with that off topic shit
>>224018482I'm sick of the rlm worship too. Enough.
>>224018482I'm not the one that brought them up. 4chan isn't one person, retard
>>224018477… that would be a direct reference to the fact the entire series was just a holodeck program anon.
>>224009151You’re wrong, desu. Voyager is better than TNGTOS>DS9>VOY>TNG>ENT
>>224018500...ah yes, my mistake
>>224018513I'll bite: Why exactly is Voyager better than TNG?
>>224018495>i d-didn’t bring u-up the ecelebs i just constantly think about literal nobodies
>>224014841You are fucking delusional and have never watched any Star Trek except for a couple of episodes and movies.
>>224018491>>224018536the power they have over /tv/ is incredibleRLM can say they liked something, so then /tv/ likes it RLM can say they hated something, so then /tv/ hates it
>>224018528Because of 7o9
>>224018617anon ecelebs are populist by nature
>>224009973>>224010585So much of Patrick's bullshit creeped in and ruined a lot of Trek. What about his constant forcing of crap like "acting", Shakespeare, and putting on plays for Data and shit? I NEVER thought of this shit as Picard the character, rather I always found that fourth-wall breaking bullshit of "Fuck, we have to keep Patrick happy" from the producers. All of that faggot shit was from a faggot actor the producers tried to placate so he wouldn't storm off to his trailer week after week.Patrick Stewart forced everyone he could (writers, producers) into ruining Picard (Starship Captain, incredible Diplomat), into what Patrick Stewart:Was: (actor, Shakespeare enthusiast, interested in plays, philanderer)Wished he was: (action hero, bigger philanderer)What he wound up being (Humiliation Rituals! Sheer Fucking Hubris!)You could see the sheer horror on Mark Hamill's face when his character was ruined. Patrick Stewart forced his character into destruction at every opportunity he could find. When I heard the news that he'd died, I couldn't bring myself to care, as a long time fan he'd self-destructed ages ago.
>>224012194>And it too Harrison Ford to convince him to sign up.Wrong. Kek. You had so much right then failed this fucking hard.
>>224018528I like TNG but its a very dry show.
>>224018988Anon the foundation of star trek is Shakespearean actors “over” acting so performances can carry through makeup. this shit goes back to tos.
>>224018988Lol this cultureless faggot thinks that pic related is the same as Patrick riding a dune buggy in Nemesis.
>>224013787>it stands up to the best of TNGDon't care, NEVER watching it.True Power comes from standing behind your convictions, and not giving a shit if every single one of you mother fuckers say something is the greatest thing EVARRRR.If you intentionally piss on the fans, you don't deserve them back EVEN IF you do the "Apology Tour"Picard Season One: "Fuck you fans!" "Sheer Fucking Hubris!" to a character everyone knows has saved the universe many times over. You can't bring back a legacy character and assume the viewers don't know his exploits while also celebrating that he's back. Fuck you.Season Two: More horseshit Humiliation RitualsSeason Three: SORRY GUYS PLEEEAAASSEEE COME BACK!!!No.
>>224013787>the best trek nutrekIs still worse than the worst TNG-era trek
>>224018988Hey buddy, cool it with the homophobic remarks
>>224019099S3 is just as much of a humiliation ritual too; giving Jay El a son he never knew he had, withheld from him by Beverly (???), randomly killing off Ro Laren, destroying all of Starfleet, and none of it even mattered in the end
>>224014547>Season 3 redeemed the garbage that was season 1 and 2Served garbage for Season 1 - you returnServed garbage for Season 2 - you still come back for moreServed Sloppy Thirds where they break you off a piece and give you some Fan ServiceAdmit it, you're a KEK
>>224014547If you genuinely believe that then you don't deserve any good trek
>>224017812>This show was good and I enjoyed it. I bet if I asked why it's bad, I'd get nothing but retarded culture war reasons.Okay, I'll bite!I'm assuming you've seen STTNG before the Picard Series? Even the films?So, you're familiar with the character, right?Saved the Earth from the Borg InvasionSaved the Universe from a few Time LoopsSaved Humanity from being snuffed out by a bored QResolved the Klingon Civil Waron and on and on.He's.......done pretty good for everyone, hasn't he?So, just ONE of those exploits alone, nevermind the totality of how many times he's Saved The Day, should have prevented him getting dressed down by that Starfleet Admiral for his "Sheer Fucking Hubris", would you not agree? What hubris has Picard every exuded to begin with? Has he not been tested relentlessly and passed numerous times to count?Anything short of telling that Starfleet Admiral that his "Sheer Fucking Hubris" was what kept her from speaking Borg is just a humiliation ritual. One that the actor felt the need to put his character through as the condition for bringing him back.>>224018029>Tell us what you thought was so good about it.Seconded. I notice OP still has not done so. People can rage about "muh culture war" but nobody ever gives a breakdown of why they claim the feel Picard Season one or two is "good".
>>224014841>It's essentially a 10 hour movie and on par with Wrath of Khan quality wise, yes it is that good.Don't care, still not watching it.
>>224014841>on par with Wrath of Khan qualityBait used to be believable
>>224008777My man
>>224019051>Anon the foundation of star trek is cameras and lighting and makeup so we should see them turn around the camera and watch them interact with those too!>Hurrrrrr muh overacting!Except, Shatner wasn't over-acting, you're thinking of the parodies of his work.
>>224019062>iHURRRRRRRRRRRRR>IMMA CLAIM YOU THINK THING s the same asANNUDDER THING!No, you midwit, I'm pointing out the rot was there long before. I know you're fucking retarded but the point is not the Argo, the point is how we got to the Argo. Go back to eating your crayons.
>>224008741I’m sure his family appreciated the money
>>224019129faggot. Your family is deeply ashamed of you, no matter what they say to your face as they try to cope.
>>224019147>Admit it, you're a KEKOP here. I didn't know they were substituting the C word now. Fuck this gay ass dying board. Admit it, you like to sit in the chair as someone else goes to town on your significant other
>>224019540Topkek
>>224019540>I didn't know they were substituting the C word now.Holy Newfaggot
>>224019137>S3 is just as much of a humiliation ritual tooMeh, not surprised. Regardless, still never watching it even if 100% of everyone I see says it's the greatest thing ever. First Contact is really good, but the best goodbye is the ending of All Good Things. And, what a prophetic title.
>>224018988Or maybe the writers realized Patrick Stewart was a Shakespearean actor and took advantage of that? They had to write 50 minute episodes every week, they could have wanted to fill out time with 5 minute segments that don't really contradict the show. In fact, some of it was to teach Data stuff about humanity.
>>224019588>Holy NewfaggotBeen here longer than you, cunt. It's not a part of my daily vocabulary, unlike you bragging about being one as you Star Trek XXVI Search For More Bvlls.
>>224012924The shift happens during Enterprise. Pre-9/11 and post-9/11 are completely different shows. They even have fucking space 9/11 happen to Earth.
>>224019644>Been here longer than youHow long?
>>224019624>Or maybe the writers realized Patrick Stewart was a Shakespearean actor and took advantage of that?Once? Sure? Twice? Okay? As much as they did? No fucking thanks. It's like Christopher Reeve smiling at the camera at the end of Superman. You can get away with it once. You can make all the excuses you want. Good for you. But look at you, acting like a faggot because you're butthurt that I can see behind the scenes of turning an actor's personal life into a fucking crutch to keep that publicly known tantrum throwing actor from hiding in his fucking trailer when the cameras were ready to roll. You do you, I'll notice what I notice and IDGAF if you want to cry about it.
Q Knew!
>>224019690Let me consult my Dear Diary to see when I put my first journal entry in, you insufferable C U C K.Look at you, getting bent out of shape that I spend time AWAY from this dying board not to notice every daily change.
>>224008741>get people who have never watched Star Trek and have them do a "deconstruction" or "subversion" of the franchiseWhy do they always do this?>>224008777Fippity Bippity
>>224019691>Asserts headcanon as historical fact>Proceeds to have a meltdown over said headcanon Holy schizo
>>224008741I bet the paycheck was worth it *wink wink*
>>224019444>>224019491Seething
>>224020521>Asserts headcanon as historical factWow. You really don't grasp what anything means, do you?You're legitimately retarded.I assert my own headcannon as .....my own headcannon, not "historical fact", and literally say you're entitled to your own. You are legitimately fucking retarded.
>>224020553>engagement baitingWhen all you do is seethe, all you see is seethe, and all you know is seethe. You should get out and socialize more.
>>224008777FPBPFPBPFPBPALSO TRIPS
>>224019444For the time he absolutely was.
>>224020563You know why I'm calling it headcanon? Because there's zero evidence for anything you're asserting. The only argument you could make is for the TNG films where Patrick Stewart was on record for wanting a dune buggy scene in it. It's been over 30 years, you'd expect at least some comment from somebody about him insisting on shakespeare scenes in the show.
>>224019320People shouldn't say "fuck" in a Star Trek program, that's low class.
>>224012999You mean mother’s womb? Technically speaking you’re not alive until the egg is fertilized.
>>224013787Modern day cinematography, set design, direction, and acting is such horse shit. How do people tolerate it?
>>224020683Only TOS and its movies are canon :3
>>224020705It really is, and Picard himself says it several times, too. He should be above that. He's a man of culture, he usually swears in French.
>>224012940No spock was the best one
>>224020683>Patrick Stewart was on record for wanting a dune buggy scene in itFucking based. RIP legend
>>224018988Didnt read, maybe Star Shit is your alley.
>>224019691You don't think acting and theater are good practical skills for a diplomat? It's all about voice and emotion and manipulation
>>224008741Reading everyones posts here makes me think the only canon STD is the one that made you the most angry XD
>>224020750I just ignore post-ENT shows, none of them count.
>>224020839>XDkys child
>>224020852I wish I could ignore them, but the fact they exist and they butcher these characters makes me too angry
>>224008741Patrick just making whatever shit makes him more likable not less. He deeply cared about his fans so much and willed himself to get out of bed with all these horrible illnesses and just be who we wanted him to be and give us more adventures. The evil writers used him as a meat puppet to push The Message but his original will and intent was to give fans more of his characters to make their lives a bit happier. He even made sure to gut out a final appearance as Professor X.For that he rules.
>>224020741
>>224008777I walked away when 'Star Trek: Insurrection' was released. What a pile of hot garbage...
>>224014471Are you face blind?
It's too bad he won't be able to see it
>>224021525RIP
Seasons 1 and 2 of Picard were so, so bad. Especially Season 2, with the bullshit on Earth in the modern day. Cheap, bad writing, the whole deal.Season 3 got a lot of praise but it wasn't necessary. They had the baggage of the first two shit seasons so they had to have those characters (the drug addicted nigger lady, and captain Pedro or whoever the Mexican dude was that no one cares about).Yeah they brought back the Next Gen cast and found a way to get back on the Enterprise D, but by then the juice wasn't worth the squeeze. The part about Picard having a grown son with Crusher was just stupid.
>>224020966Calm down King Congo
>>224012940 Fucking LOL at Janeway.Hey, we're stuck in the Delta Quadrant. It'll take us 90 years to get home at maximum warp. Should we fucking get going toward Earth or what?Janeway: Nah dude, let's just fuck around and mosey along at a leisurely pace and stop at every fucking planet we fly past and see what these jerkoff aliens are up to and get involved in their disputes that have nothing to do with us. No hurry!Janeway fucking SUCKED dude.
>>224021582And then season 3 does exactly what the previous two seasons do and drags out a single episode plot across four, they spend like four episodes in that nebula fucking around with the changelings. And then of course the mystery box plot and constant red herrings. I hate streaming TV so much it's unreal
>>224021635Voyager had to stop all the time for supplies. They had to find their own Dilithium ffs...
>>224020916Anon fiction by default doesn’t exist. You have to make a mental allowance for it to be “real” in the sense that it exists at all. Meaning you can simply not grant that mental allowance to things that are bad. You already do this with fanfiction.
>>224021635You know as a non star trek fan this reads like some crazy homeless man on the J train rambling Lol
>>224021635>mosey along at a leisurely paceWarp travel isn't free. Warp 9.9 is like flooring it at 130 mph in a Altima. Warp 6 is like going 70.Some of the writing could have been better, but there was no guarantee that Voyager would have survived using the Caretaker array to go back home so soon after they just barely survived its first use. Everything after that is the show.>>224021664Hes a retard whose too dumb to follow SFDebris.
>>224021698This. I keep a special place in my memories that there are only three Star Wars films and while it's too bad that there will never be any more, we will always have the originals.But then sometimes if I feel I want to dump more Buck Rogers into the cake that makes Star Wars, I watch the prequels.
>>224021841I love the setting of the prequels, the galaxy before it went to shit
>>224021946It was supposed to be the galaxy already gone to shit and being made worse because sheev is smart and everyone else is dumb
>>224010646It wasn't the beginning of the end retard it was just the end, what the fuck came after it? Doesn't mean it was good but it was still Star Trek you retarded chimp.
>>224010686Literally just fuck off
>>224008777TNG after the first season isn't Star Trek. It became a literal show about literal spaceships and space history that don't exist, pointless entertainmentslop.
>>224019320This Anon has a High IQ. He nailed it why STTNG's Jean-luc Picard accomplishments made him a top-notch man for any of his single notable actions, let alone the many events he came through as a hero. Give this anon an award !Kurtzman and JJ trek were just examples of lazy people without creativity shamelessly ripping apart the previous heroes because they are third rate writers and story tellers. The Critical Drinker on Youtube said something like: Star Trek is a show made by geniuses, handed over to idiots.
>>224012940Faggotry is thinking anyone but Kirk even deserves to be considered
