>leftist arabs are mad because leftist westerners don't want to show the jolly wholesome jihad in 4K>it's all fault of the zionist Warner Bros wanting to erase wholesome chungus arab culture and its peaceful ways of expansion>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu2ARRBjEHY&t
>erasing islamIf only
>>223998985the original book was inspired by islam, you will never change that chud loser.
>>223998985If they love their culture so much they should go back there and stop speaking English.
Zensunni is such a bizarre concept and I don't recall if the Zen part of it was ever expounded upon or even particularly present in their characterization. Seems like mostly just Islam.
>>223998985The original book used the phrase "long live the martyrs" but in later editions they changed it to "long live the fighters".
>>223998985https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/2112618060968288256/vid/avc1/724x720/6keHxFh1SU8cAH3v.mp4
>>223998985yousef is based and op knows this. nice chudbait tho
>>223998985>30 minute video essay by some literal who midwitNot watching
>>223999428The movie only changed it, the book never has.
>>223999152KekFpbp
You know the craziest thing? Why are the Fremen not particualr dogmatic about Paul's belief? should he recite their hoyl textx all the time and pray 10 tiems a day?
>>223999291Herbert was inspired by ecology, you retard. The whole theme of Dune and its terraformign is kinda on the nose.
>>223998985Nice! Now do the j*ws.
>>223999843why do you defend anti-lgbt child rapists?
>>223999152Fpbp
>>223999291Imagine defending muslims and calling literally ANYONE else a "chud loser" kek.
>>223998985LolIf they'd kept >jihadthat same faggot would have made a video about Dune being racist for stereotyping Muslims as terrorists yadda yadda.What a piece of shit.
>>223999291lotr was inspired by beowulf, who cares
>>223998985
>>224000267If you read the books, turns out they aren't all that picky. They are all sloppy and hedonistic after 12 years of being at the top. They are still human
>>224001004lmao
If they won't call it a jihad calling it a crusade instead makes no sense. Cross is right in the name.
>>224000362He also was a Sabres-Of-Paradise enjoyer, ie; jihad. A man can have several interests.
Is this the hasbara thread?
>>223998985Dune, and certainly its interest in Islam, is based on the life of Imam Shamyl, the 'Lion of Daghestan' and specifically the book "Sabres of Paradise" by Lesley Blanch. The Padishah Emperor was the Emperor of Russia.You wouldn't expect it to have much to do with arabs.>>224000362Ecology in the broadest sense. Blanch argues Shamyl led remarkable warriors because the caucuses environment killed the weak and the foolish off naturally. This is obviously Herbert's argument about the Fremen (and also the not very exciting as it turns out mystery of where the Sardaukar come from that is an early plot point for Hawat).
>>224001235yea
>>224000362muslims are ecologists?ok poster, youre gonna have to educate me >xD
>>224001004True
>>223998985>Woke movie raping the source materialMany such cases.
>>224001240Isn't there also quite a bit of Robert Graves and Idries Shah in the series as well? The BG are more or less the ancient goddess religion Graves was talking about in the White Goddess. Too bad Brian decanonized them existing on ancient earth.
>>224001235If you don't like islam you are a jew.
not only do they erase the arabesque elementsthey erase the obvious caucasoid churka bullshit no one even knows about nowadaysit's quite literally just lawrence of arabia
>>223999291Retards like you should realize that removing the word "Jihad" from a movie about a genocidal interstellar war is probably a better look for Muslims than keeping to the book.
>>223999291its inspired by anglo spycraft. creating fake religions and secret societies and fake histories to further long laid plans is how the british empire operates. everyones even hooked on drugs just like the did with opium and then crack and now fentanyl
>>224001170>>224001240The funny thing is that the book describes perfectly how the British secret services install shitty local leaders (preferably religious) and then use them against Russians and then completely abandon them and leave everyone else to deal with the consequences. Which is what Brits/Americans/Israelis have been doing all over the world for the past god knows how many centuries and people still fall for it.
>>224003336>it's quite literally just lawrence of arabiaI wish
>>223999291No Muslim has ever read a book, not even the Quran, because they are too low IQ. So how would you know what it's about?
>>223998985They both didn't want to get Charlie Hebdo'd and they were so afraid of the woke cult that they conformed to wokish racism. Only Christianity could be blasphemed by a story. As whites now they became susceptible to the required blackwashing. And the Harkonnens were of course whitewashed..Somehow I can enjoy it anyway, but i notice these things automatically and forget how stupid most people are. Maybe this shit actually works on the average retard
>>224003466then watch lawrence of arabia, or read dune, or read Cossacks, or play battlefield 1
>>224003418I love getting a peak into the worldview of foreigners this shit is so fucking funny that you're tossing and turning at night having nightmares of nigel thornberry fucking with you.
>>224003749No clue who that is?
>>224000267The Fremen were initially hesitant and extremely strict about checking that Paul completes the prophecies - Shadout Mapes would have killed Jessica if she gave the wrong answers to her questions, Stilgar was always watching to confirm Paul was fulfilling prophecy, such as wearing his stillsuit correctly the first time, bringing holy words etc. He had to complete his first sand worm calling and riding just like any other Fremen.Once they were convinced he was the Lisan al-Gaib he ascends in their thinking to an uncorruptable divine force. He doesn’t have to conform to the daily tasks of their religion because he is the one shaping it and bringing new prophecy.Also remember that in the end Paul was trapped by Fremen fanaticism, and was forced to lead them in the jihad they were going to do anyway. He was as much their prisoner as he was their leader. So who would question the leader that gives the people exactly what they wanted? (genocidal conquest)
>>224003888sure thing boris. looking forward to your next schizo post about vatican secret agents poisoning your village's well.
>>224001170>>224001240>>224003418>blah blah blah blah blahDo glow in the dark fsbniggers ever shut the fuck up?
>>224004015The thing is that in the movie they don't show that the prophecy was planted in the first place, so it doesn't really show what the whole thing is all about.
>>223998985>random account says X is madslop
>leftist>muslimpick 1
>>223999152shalom
>>223999291Why would you even want to lay claim to this piece of shit adaptation? Villanueve made it chani’s story and girlbossed Paul out of being the protagonist.
>>223999291The whole book is a critic of authoritariansim through the fabrication of a messianic figure and how it manipulates people and leads them to tyranny
>>223998985Why won’t DUNC accurately portray the men of Al-Zutt by having a scene where Paul gets raped in the desert?
lol herbert was saying how dumb muslims are but they are brutal. Paul never believed dat shit
>>223998985If they didn't erase the Islam from Dune then they'd just complain that they're trying to make it look bad. They don't need to do that. On the contrary, Dune probably makes Islam look better than most other media. It is, of course, not really Islam, but a syncretic fictional religion being depicted, but whatever. Butlerian Jihad now.
>>223998985Can we first talk about how Arabs erased Syrian, Egyptian, and Persian culture, and replaced it with Zutt culture?
>>223999291>the original book was inspired by islam, you will never change that chud loser.Inspiration is not allegory.
>>223999291Kek I WISH the DUNC movies actually depicted the fanaticism and barbarity which underlines Zuttslut ideology. Sadly the Zuttsluts are correct when they say it’s heavily sanitized.
>>223999291The funny thing is I can't tell if you're a commie or a poltard because both are gagging on muzzie dick.
>>223999291True and based.
>>224004536Buttzuttery?
What triggered the Ivanposter bot?
>>224004564nuPol is a fucking embarrassment.
>>224004249>if you dont side with brown third world dune coons youre a jew
>>223998985Expansion into ?? Is that why Palestine's total area has only dwindled since 1948?
>>223999291Yeah and it makes it look like a blood thirsty cult of desert monkey fanatics.
>>224004628Tell me you don't understand the genocide without telling me.
>>224004651nigga please read a book
>>223999152OP here, I must write: FPBP.>>224000926TRVKE.>>224001004Kek'd.
and that's a good thing!
>>224004259That ball of shit will never be my chani
>>224002590nta but he was some kind of ecologist for LA county or some shit and was researching ways to stop erosion or some shit and got interested in desert environment. Naturally it draw someone to bedouin cultures a they live in deserts. Islam just happened to be part of Bedouin culture so the OP he responded to is an imbecile. Islam in no way insured anything in DUNE. In fact they arent even islamic, they are an Islam/buddhist hybrid
>>223998985>censorship le goodfucking idiot
>>223999152fpbp
>>223998985>>Midwit Muslim Hears a Word.In the books the use of the word Jihad is used to close a plot-hole of " We can't chase the Fremen in to the barren desert because of water " -- Just use robots a drones Duhh. You have to get rid of computers, well how do you do that ? -- Can't have " Government said so ..." -- People are not supposed to do drugs and have a TV license in England but ..... So have a realistic explanation, Butlarian Jihad , Blood thirsty religious kooks went from planet to planet and smashed every computer, killed all the A.I wifus , killed everyone who created A.I. wifus, and anyone whining for their A.I. wifu . And have it so complete that the concept is wiped from everyone's memory to build terminator robots to scour the desert and wipe out the Fremen. Same with the Body Shield. It waves away assassination by gun man. No need to go into the human intrigue of who is loyal etc. when some one can just pop a head shot from a bell tower .
>>224003418Herbert knew what was up.
>>223998985>and its peaceful ways of expansionlet's be honest hereAll abrahamicsfags are expansionist or else they wouldn't be spreading their cult to the other side of the globe.
>>223998985Herbert was a child abuser, just like Muhammad.
>>224004182The movie falls short in a lot of ways>fails to effectively convey the scripted prophecy >fails to really distinguish the Atreides, Harkonnen, and Corino methods of leadership and loyalty, so Paul's synthesis of three at the end doesn't land>fails to incorporate the ecological elements or the significance of Dr Kynes.>fails to even show the Spacing Guild as a key player in the balance of power.
>>223998985Muslims don't even believe the crap they say.
>>224004182They talk about the manufactured prophecy MULTIPLE times, wtf you talkign about? Its one of the more obvious things in the movies.
>>224006439Quote it then. Who planted it according to the movie and when? When did the Fremen come to Arrakis and why?
>>223998985It's entirely true though that the movies downplay the explicitly Islamic parts of Fremen culture. You can't say jihad in a hollywood movie post-9/11.
>>224006616I'd wager most Muslims will hear "Mahdi" and understand what's going on even if they don't make the next leap of Paul being a false figure simply because Isa never shows up and the whole end of days stuff never happens.
>>224006276You never know when you’ll need a pocket hose!-Richard Karn
>>224000362This. He studied a lot of cultures that could survive in such a hostile wasteland. He took inspiration from native americans and arab nations as well. Their ideology translated to what he was going for, but he didn't wholesale install these faiths just for the sake of it, it was to reflect people who live off a very dangerous land.
>>223998985>>223999291The irony here is that Herbert was absolutely disrespectful to Islam and every other religion in the books, he treated them all as equally fake and mashed them together for fun, all in an overtly on the nose way. Retarded brown leftoids are too stupid to realize that 'Zensunni' and 'Orange Catholic' are extremely offensive in their own right.
>>224004249Christians hated Islam before the Jews told them it was cool.
>>223999393It just means following tradition (in Sunni, the original "examples" of Muhammad) and maintaining self-control and discipline (Zen Buddhism). The Fremen were hidebound by ancient tradition and a very disciplined and unsentimental people. They didn't know much about original Muhammad or Buddha specifically because it was 26,000 years in the future, but the general philosophy carried through the centuries.
>>224007491When did Jews tell Christians Islam was cool?
>>224007633right now actually
If the movie didn't hold back and actually used the term "jihad", it would have been cooler and more interesting than "holy war". The movies have already sterilized so much of the weirdness. The MC of a big movie like this calling his war a jihad and saying he's killed more people than Hitler and Ghengis Khan combined on the big screen in the year 2026 would have been kino
>>224003261>muslim >jewLiterally the same thing
>>224004336Paul is not Arab. If anything all the Fremen but Paul would get Zutted
>>224007705Elaborate
>>224007765Based
>>224007881jews were the ones pushing marxist ideologies in universities that brainwashed a generation of people to support white guilt and pathological altruism toward outside groups
>>224004249salam alaikum
>>224007881Any White person saying a single nice thing about muslims is brainwashed by jews.
>>224008190Damn, woke 1.0 was crazy.
>>224008190I understand that but none of that makes sense, name one Muslim communist country. >>224008436Muslims know that women kill empires but that is the only nice thing I will say.
>>224005357He was writing an article for a newspaper about rich people planting poverty grasses in sand dunes encroaching their back yards to anchor them. That was a big seed for the idea of dune. He was from a family of Jesuits, which is where the Bene Gesserits mostly come from, and he was a big lawrence of arabia fan and he managed to mush them all together. Go read the road to dune which is all about the inception of the story.
>>224004249>We should have mass muslim migration to europe and america, if you disagree you are a fucking kike!
>>224009010Does it mention that he literally copied 90% of it from Sabers which he read when it was sitting on his desk for a review that his magazine did as soon as it came out.
>>224007421It's every religion's sacred duty to get offended over pettiness.
>>223999999
I thought they hated Dune and called it "orientalist". Now they're mad the orientalism was erased?
>>223998985>leftist westerners don't want to show the jolly wholesome jihad in 4Kthe books don't show the jihad either. messiah is a timeskip after paul becomes emperor of arrakis and the jihad is already done at the start of the book. in fact, paul's vision in DUNC of the jihad has shown more than what we would ever see in the books.
>>224000926>If they'd kept jihad, that same faggot would have made a video about Dune being racistCorrect. It's a catch 22 or whatever the woke version of it is.
>>223999291True. DUNC is a blatant ripoff of Lawrence of Arabia. That movie caused so much psychosis with white boomers like Frank Herbert that it's hilarious. It somehow almost has a unanimous 5 star rating on letterboxd today because of the boomer psychosis.
>>224000362>The whole theme of Dune and its terraformignIt's ONE of the MANY themes and my favorite when I read Dune. It's a shame Herbert abandoned ecology as one of the themes after the first book. Liet Kynes was the most memorable character to me and they made him a girlboss black woman in the Denis Villneueve film.
>>223998985this guy is a cringe progresive gulf muslim.I bet based IRGC chads would love dune
Christ is King
>>224004249fuck off back to pol brownie
>>224007765>and saying he's killed more people than Hitler and Ghengis Khanwait is this not gonna be in the movie?
>>224011375Anon is speculating.
>>224011703seeing as this french fuck got rid of the scenes of Paul wanting to fuck his mom in the tent I'm going to assume they're not going to include the scene of Paul's manservant comparing him to Hitler
>>223998985I think people like this should be killed
>>224008105>Emperor Interesting
>>223998985>erasing IslamDune has several levels of thematic depth, the deepest of which is the powerlessness of a charismatic leader in the face of the unseen forces of history. Paul is unable to prevent the Fremen from conducting a horrific galactic genocide, not because he doesn't want to, but because of the inertia of his movement, guided by Bene Gesserit prophecies, the Arrakis crisis, the environment, etc. Leto II is also powerless, he HAS to follow the Golden Path.From there, comes a warning: a charismatic leader will not lead, he will be a slave to his own people's barbarity.From there, comes another warning: religions like Islam are tools of the barbarians, risen from the time of crisis to guide them through prophetic figures towards ressentimental destruction.Removing pisslam from the script is bad, but for completely different reasons.
>>223998985>leftist arabsMuslims are all far right islamic theocrats.there's no such thing as a leftist muslim. they just use leftist language to manipulate stupid white leftists into supporting their shit religion.
>>223998985If your religion is getting erased by a movie it might as well be a dry-erase marker
>>224007421Yeah its absolutely retarded that people think its about Islam when its shown that religions have become weird nonsense fusions.Besides literally the only thing the fremen have to do with Islam is that they're desert dwellers lmao.
>>223999291>Sand and sand niggers in a book>was inspired by islam American education at its finest
>>223998985No one cares about this stupid franchise
>>223998985Post pic rel and ask about the impact of Hollywood pandering to Indian Hindu audiences>constantly removed the indian jannies for no reason>poo/jew makes obvious spam because muslims pushed back its jew/hindpoo pedophile cult and saved civilization from them>hindu rape rat jannies pretend to ignore the reportsI guess I'm going to have to go to the irc and report the hindu rape rat jannies myself
>3abd al 7usainRafida dogs don't even hide their shirk. Never listen to a "shia" when they speak in the name of Muslims.
>>224004249jews and islam are equally vile.
>>224015127Shia are based warriors Sunni are all buck broken jewish slaves lmao you guys are so lame
>>224015127
>>224015597>>224015682You criticise without even understanding what you're replying to.
>>224016347True, I don't know and I don't care. I just think these paki faggot muzzie larpers, especially in the west, seething at "le shia" are the biggest cuckold losers ever.
>>224003418>The funny thing is that the book describes perfectly how the British secret services install shitty local leaders (preferably religious) and then use them against Russians and then completely abandon them and leave everyone else to deal with the consequences. Which is what Brits/Americans/Israelis have been doing all over the world for the past god knows how many centuries and people still fall for it.Turd worlders so inept and inbred you can literally just install anyone into power over them with little effort. You really should think about how pathetic that makes you.
>>224016397Ok but you committed autogenocide because you wanted cheaper plastic shit.
>>224013483If only that happened IRL, no more islam, no more abrahamism (judaism, christianity, islam), no more religions (secular and mystical), life would be better.But that would require eugenics and genetic engineering, because current humans are just hairless depressed cave monkes.
>>224016871tip my fedora to you my good saar
>>223998985But it's not even modern Islam in Dune. it is something different that has been formed during thousands of years from islam.
DURKA DURKAATREIDES JIHAD
>>223999291The Fremen in the book are all thousands of years and dozens of worlds separated from any actual concept of islam, and what little religion they have was basically spoonfed to them by the bennies as a psyop so they'd obey them if they ever showed up on their planet.
>>223998985nudune is utter garbageToo much technology and no navigators.Just a vandalization of Herbert's opus magnum.
>>224015485>>224015597>>224015682>>2240163664chan didn't used to have unironic fucking muslims posting on it
>>224017102That's this guy >>224015127Iran could be scientologists for all I care, they'd still be based.
>>223999152said already butfpbp
>>224017102>a bloo blooThis is literally a thread about Islam in a movie ya 7mar
>4chan didn't used to have unironic fucking muslims posting on it
For me its Herbert disowning his homosexual son who died of aids.
>>223998985Watched the video, keked at taqiyya, and turned off youtube.
>>223999291Islam is chuddiest religion there is. Fucking woke retard.
>>223998985What changes by removing the word Jihad?
>>224013091>they just use leftist language to manipulate stupid white leftists
>>224001004Muslims can't refute this
Gonna put a jihad on you!
>>224017666Sure they can, the refute is this >How white people sees muslims
>>224017725No Im fairly certain most people who have to deal with your asses have noticed the same crocodile tears when you get a deserved smackdown. Hell, I can just go look at the seething when china demolishes mosques and throws uyghurs into re education camps and see you all crying about muh ummah while being too cowardly to actually pick a fight with a country that won’t play the human rights game and just treats you retards like the inbred mental children you are.
>>224017958Standard white people respond >cowardly to actually pick a fight with a country that won’t play the human rights game You should check up on how the real world actually works, it's funny how you people pride yourself on conquering the globe and yet have zero understanding how it works. Didn't you learn anything from the time of colonising?
>>224017958>china demolishes mosques and throws uyghurs into re education campsThis never happened btw, only liberal muzzies/jews in west and anatolia pretend it did.
>>224018063How does the real world actually work? Here in the west its retarded governments making excuses for your retarded inbred behavior every time one of you chimps out over a drawing or its a day ending in y. The uyghurs got stuffed into camps because of the exact same shit. You fuckers play the exact same game as the yids, you always whine about what’s being done to you but never why it happened. Your next response is inevitably going to be more whinging about colonialism, which again was mostly due to western powers getting tired of your nonsense and deciding its worth putting a stop to it such as in Algeria.
>>224018190It did happen and China is objectively based for doing it. The uyghurs could’ve just not chimped out and nothing would’ve happened. Instead, they get their women married off to chinese incels and get to go to a summer camp for a few years.
>>224018200The real world has consequences and Chinese treatment of uyghurs is causing strain on relationship with Turkey and Saudi-Arabia. Even Iran is split on the issue with the government choosing to overlook it and other factions in the government being highly critical of it >The uyghurs got stuffed into camps because of the exact same shit. No they got stuffed because of a separatist movement, same with Tibet.
>>224018063>You should check up on how the real world actually works>muslims start a war>get bitchslapped>cry to white women that they are being genocided
>>224018200>western powers getting tired of your nonsense and deciding its worth putting a stopFrogs got raped in Algeria and were seething at everybody supporting the rebels though. De Gaulle offered to recognize PRC in exchange the Chinese would stop funding the rebels - Mao told him to fuck off. They didn't leave, they got kicked out. Same happened to Niger and Burkina Faso. >>224018229It didn't happen. You are educated by fanfic glownigger articles written by Zenz and one funny webm. Uyghur population tripled since the sixties because one child was never applied to them. They're not even the only muslims, they have the Hui and Kazakhs too.>>224018267Every muslim state recognized there's no "Chinese mistreatment" of yoghurts. Turkey is a nest of experiments, and they are harboring ETIM terrorists, same how India accepted all the lama refuse from Tibet. These are retard mercenary forces.Turkey is also a confused islamic greece shithole that attempted "pan turkism" cope because they're raped larpers. >saudis Don't give a fuck. >iran Don't give a SINGLE IOTA OF A FUCK lmao. Nobody bought amerinigger fake faggot yoghurt narrative, especially not the Persians.
>>223998985I imagine the Bene Gesserit are the cult of crypto-Jewish-Christians who implanted the idea of Islam into Muhammad. There is so much we don't know about the "behind the scenes" of Islam but it feels like Dune nails the aesthetic at least. In either case, the new Dune movies definitely do not portray Islam positively and that's why it's so compelling (in a non-Jewish way). Judaism of course has it's own dark origin but it involved way more pederasty.
>>224018063Will you ever shut the fuck up stupid sandnigger? If you want to kill us just try already otherwise keep fucking camels.
>>224018267So absolutely nothing is happening kek. So much for theocracies, ignoring their god given mandate to help their ummah in favor of cheap plastic shit. Last I checked the saudis and emiratis even bought military gear from the chinese, not even counting the stuff they buy from Israel and the US.
>>224018351>Every muslim state recognized there's no "Chinese mistreatment" of yoghurtsTranslation: too cowardly/greedy to stand up to China.Sandniggers really think that China is their friend and together they will fight the evil white man. Westerners grew up on power rangers but eventually we grew out of cartoonslop fantasies.Sandnigger brains are below those of white children.
>>224018478What’s even funnier is the chinese intelligence service actively works with the US in dealing with retarded islamists in africa kek
>>224018478>Translation: shitmutt cope You are educated by fanfic glownigger articles written by Zenz and one funny webm.You are low IQ cattle. This is why your owners mutted you.
>>224018569Picrel was posted two years ago. Try to enjoy what’s coming because you have no choice in the matter.
>>224018545>teaming up with your archrival to take out a more disgusting enemyKINO
it's the fault of white liberals who don't want to "offend" Muslims, not actual born and raised Muslims from brown countries
>>224018600>jew capeshit larp posted before CENTCOM got erased by Iran My golem in Moloch, pissrael dies with evangelical boomers.
>>224018725Denying reality is the only thing muslims are impressive at. Even now, you think you are winning somehow.
>>224004730read the quran, then you'll see anon's right
>>224018478muslims are cattle to chinks
>>224001004Wow, jews and muslims are really similar.
>>224001004Gemmy
>>223998985Muslims have so few cultural exports that they have to claim stories loosely inspired by them written by white guyslmao
>>223999152>islamits not really Islam thats wrong its the nafris arab version of islam running amok thats wrongIf you look at islamic persia it was a florishing culture even east asian countries like indonesia are fine and not chimping out Its arabs that are the problem
