Finally, the fan base has been heard
>>223992761kill all orcs
>>223992761he's an orc who likes slam poetry, phoebe bridgers, a24 movies, and burger joints that do things a little differently. powerful
Thrall is a Warcraft character. If they are going for the "Good Orc" route, Thrall already did that 20 years ago.
>someone get these URUK HAI out of here!
>>223992761The orc with an arc? Wow, that's such a catchy nickname haha! Me and my friends can't wait to tune in on Amazon Prime!
>>223992761pronoun status?
>>223992761LOOKS LIKE WOKE'S BACK ON THE MENU BOYS!
This shit has zero cultural presence, these threads are borderline astroturf.
>some hippie orc having self actualizationMite b cool>notice Galadriel in the backgroundDROPPED
>>223992929>muh cultural presenceits not a competition, this a thread making fun of it.
>>223992761neatTolkien would have approved
>orc
TOTAL ORC DEATH
>>223992761If good people can go evil in LOTR, something born of evil going good isnt that big of a stretch
>>223992761How long until millenial writers start dying off?
>>223992944>>223993161>>223993443even if the concept isn't inherently bad, it's amazon. so it will be done in the worst way imaginable
>>223992851haha leroy jenkins warcraft is great
>>223993443Haha yeah, the corruptive nature of evil and it's dangers? Who the fuck ever thought that would make for good themes? Nah all values are opressive in nature, uglyness is just a concept and evil just a question of perspective.Unless you question all that, then you are irredeemable and need to be isolated.
>>223993474Warhammer is really the last bulwark of classical no-bs fantasy.
>>223993443Wrong
>>223992761THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE ARCS. Morgoth and Sauron created them for fucking one purpose and that is to serve and wage war. they literally just wither and go die in some hole if there is no dark lord to give them orders. How can the writers willfully misunderstand Tolkien?
I for one am disgusted at the amount of pro goblin/orc propaganda in media these days.
>>223993443>t. orc
>[Eru/God] gave special 'sub-creative' powers to certain of His highest created beings: that is a guarantee that what they devised and made should be given the reality of Creation. Of course within limits, and of course subject to certain commands or prohibitions.>But if they 'fell', as the Diabolus Morgoth did, and started making things 'for himself, to be their Lord', these would then 'be', even if Morgoth broke the supreme ban against making other 'rational' creatures like Elves or Men. They would at least 'be' real physical realities in the physical world, however evil they might prove, even 'mocking' the Children of God. They would be Morgoth's greatest Sins, abuses of his highest privilege, and would be creatures begotten of Sin, and naturally bad. (I nearly wrote 'irredeemably bad'; but that would be going too far. Because by accepting or tolerating their making — necessary to their actual existence — even Orcs would become part of the World, which is God's and ultimately good.)>But whether they could have 'souls' or 'spirits' seems a different question; and since in my myth at any rate I do not conceive of the making of souls or spirits, things of an equal order if not an equal power to the Valar, as a possible 'delegation', I have represented at least the Orcs as pre-existing real beings on whom the Dark Lord has exerted the fullness of his power in remodelling and corrupting them, not making them.Orcs CAN be redeemed, but only by the power of Ilúvatar at the end of days. There is zero mention in any of Tolkein's writings anywhere of an orc being redeemed during its life.
Why even post these threads when the chud comic troon isn't around? He's the only one who tries to argue for this piece of shit.
>>223992886You've heard of elf on a shelf? Well, now get ready for~
>>223993640orc skewered with a pitchfork
>>223992910Gork/Mork
>>223993590Tolkien self inserted himself as Tom Bombadil, Amazon is self inserting themselves as this Orc, it's like pottery.
>>223992761>BUT ORCS ARE JUST MISSUNDERSTOODWhat are we doing here?
>>223993779ruining whiteys favorite toys, on purpose
>>223992761interesting idea trapped in a shit show
>>223992761>Basically call orcs nigger stand insIs this next level trolling of the blacks or are leftists this retarded? Nevermind I know the answer.
>>223992761They should be shot for shitting on the Lord of the Rings like this. No one is going to watch it though. So if a tree falls in the woods and no on hears it does it make a sound.
>>223993915A lot of tv shows and movies get made because they want people to hate watch them. And people really do.
>ummm actually ontological evil is goodVery cool thank you Jews.
>>223993443Wrong. The orchestra are evil and only had a chance of redemption after dying here and passing through the non mortal like where the two levels of angels were waiting to help them or judge them depending if they could be fixed.
>>223993934Not this one its lost 60% of its views each season so far.
>>223993941>The orchestra are evil
>>223992761I’m sorry, Jeff. I limit my modern Sloppa intake to three a decade. I watched Shogun and Lower Decks. I’m not wasting my last one of the 2020s on this.
>>223992761Celeborn should really start asking questions
>>223992761Tolkien wouldn't approve of this, his family wouldn't approve of this. He died writing that he wanted orcs to be more irredeemable and couldn't reconcile that he wrote them as possibly interpreted as victims of tyranny
>>223993443It is. They are literally just evil by nature. They arent morally grey or misunderstood.
>>223992761>ONE ORC IS GOOD GUYS. WE DEFINITELY HAVE TO LET THEM ALL IN NOW!!! YOU HAVE NO ARGUMENT TO STOP THEM NOW BECAUSE THIS ONE (1) PROVES THEY'RE ALL GOOD.
>>223994168Tolkien basically wrote a fairy tale. Not a "Sauron was abused by his elven foster parents" social drama.
>>223992851LOTR orcs are very different from WarCraft orcs
>>223992761It's shaping up to be another great season of high fantasy
>>223994096Galadriel is just finding herself chud
They're finally getting to the parts of the legendarium everyone wants to see
>>223994591Someone post the review of a British "bonkbuster" about how "not even the prospect of an interracial threesome was enough to get audiences watching"
>>223993464You misspelled DEI writers.
How will RoP be remembered in 20 years?
>>223992761>nooo you can’t just say that orcs commit more rapes per capita in the shire than the native hobbits!! We need to reclaim the narrative and challenge these orcphobic myths by putting out more positive representations of orcs in media!!!
>>223992761He's clearly still an untrustworthy character, basically like Gollum being used like a scent hound by Galadriel. He's in shackles in this picture.
>>223993443Faggot
>>223994739It's mind-blowing that those memes just became reality. You can't satirize progressives, trying to exaggerate their beliefs just gives them ideas.
>>223994711same way as stranger things, but with an added "wow they fucked the lore a bit there, didn't they?" factor tacked on for those who like the franchise but largely ignored the show.
>>223994704What's the difference?
>>223994809it's all so tiresome>let's pretend the 'ok' hand sign is actually a 'wp' for 'white power' and the lefties will sound like schizos for banning it ha ha we're so silly>"yeah that hand sign is racist. idk why but right wingers were doing it so it's for sure racist and you're bad for doing it. yes i'm serious, why?"
>>223993535Too many orc sympathizers in the Shire these days.
>>223994965The Shire belongs to everyone.
>>223992761Haha, amazing work! I won't be watching it, or considering it canon at all! Great job!
>>223992761It needs porn to be good
>>223992761Damn that's catchy
Peter Jackson is rolling in his grave
>>223993474You will join Olympus
>>223992851WC orcs are their own race and not inherently evil. LotR orcs are elves that were tortured and corrupted by dark magic to be pure, unrepentant evil.
>>223993915get over yourself troon
>>223996775Sorry, but I believe in justice and human rights.
>>223996841Warcraft orcs are evil. They are portal hoppers and greenbacks that invaded a peaceful world so they can live in mud huts and cause conflict.
>>223996888wrong
>>223992761TOD
>>223996841warcraft orcs were inherently evil until metzen retconned everything about them in warcraft 3 just so he could get his self insert into a game after this garbage was cancelled
Rangz rangz give me all dem rangz muthufugga
>>223992851wow orcs are portal hopping illegal aliens and they should be wiped out
>>223992761orcs are evil because they serve an evil God, who is far more powerful than humans.LOTR is all about scale, and fantasy is often about that too.You can't turn everything into 2 year arcs of redemption.
>>223996841shut up zugger lover
>>223996690eru iluvatar vs george's variety of weird pegan blood sacrifice/hivemind gods, who wins?
>>223996930That may seem so but you haven't seen the next season where they will challenge the long-held perceptions of Sauron
>>223993474Eh, Tolkien is merely a modern form of northern folklore. Tolkienfags should stop pretending he invented everything.
>>223996966Demonbane
>>223996973of course, they do this on purpose. To destroy the original story and its power.When a world allows everything, it means nothing.
>>223993505It's not. It's early modern instead of medieval, so it is not Classic Fantasy.
>>223992761Does anyone even watch this crap? I always forget it exists.
>>223996927I’m going to gank so many of you retards come next week.
>>223992851There are no bad orcs other than in tolkienWarcraft is built upon 30 years of dnd where noone played pure evil orcs, but dumb barbarian conanesk orcs
>>223997089I'm joining Olympus ICE to hunt you down.
>>223992929I legitimately would never have heard of this show had I not come across the occasional thread. Like even my ultra into LoTR cousin doesn't care about this show, like no one does.
>>223994711I watched the first season abour what, 3 years ago? And I don't even remember itTf are you pulling 20
>>223997125More like Olympus ICE-ack fat horde cock
>>223996888nice digits but alien warmongering demons corrupted them with fel and used them as puppets when they invaded, there's a whole plot of orcs that want the corruption for power and orcs who don't
>>223997150this. all buffoonery aside, we're having a laugh, OP is probably just some guy.but fucking hell, you can fake hit counters or whatever to shill something online. actual humans will then write about it. i get that. but purely in /tv/ terms, there is a Lord of the Rings TV show, and this is the only time i have seen it mentioned. 'oh yeah, that.'i think i just want an ORIGINAL fantasy series, at this point. it can be as boilerplate as the Forgotten Realms were designed to be, just make something new. you're in the best possible time for visual effects.
>>223992761I'm so fucking tired of these subversive fucks always trying to do this >you know that very clearly evil thing that wants to harm you?>it's actually misunderstood and you're a bigot for wanting to defend yourselfshit. It's not clever, it's not insightful, but it seems like it's working like crack on the dimwit brain and they can't get enough of it.
>>223992929Apparently it's really popular in India.
>>223996988I don't know about everything but he definately invented the world as we know it
>>223998261All white people evil because of colonialismAll men evil because of patriarchy
>>223996988If anything Tolkien stagnated fantasy for like 40+ years. Nothing against him or LotR but fuck if it didn't expose how creatively dead most fantasy writers are.
>>223992761>tey actually took orcposting seriously and made it realAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! What a trash.
>>223996911WC3 was a big disappointment narratively. The desperate military campaign of WC2 gave way to a soap opera between hero units.Also whoever came up with the tax mechanic should be euthanized.
>>223992761This shit is just uninspired fanfiction and is only related to Tolkien in nameIncredible they managed to turn middle-earth into a milquetoast D&D setting
>>223992761>I may be a cannibal incapable of good deeds, but at least I'm not a bigot
>>223992761The leftist is oriented toward large-scale collectivism. He emphasizes the duty of the individual to serve society and the duty of society to take care of the individual. He has a negative attitude toward individualism. He often takes a moralistic tone. He tends to be for gun control, for sex education and other psychologically “enlightened” educational methods, for social planning, for affirmative action, for multiculturalism. He tends to identify with victims. He tends to be against competition and against violence, but he often finds excuses for those leftists who do commit violence. He is fond of using the common catch- phrases of the left, like “racism,” “sexism,” “homophobia,” “capitalism,” “imperialism,” “neocolonialism,” “genocide,” “social change,” “social justice,” “social responsibility.” Maybe the best diagnostic trait of the leftist is his tendency to sympathize with the following movements: feminism, gay rights, ethnic rights, disability rights, animal rights, political correctness. Anyone who strongly sympathizes with ALL of these movements is almost certainly a leftist.
>>223994226there's no way that's real
>>224001800>The leftist is oriented toward large-scale collectivism>He has a negative attitude toward individualism.Then why are they making a story about an individualist orc? And why is the right upset that they are portraying an orc going against the collective hivemind?
>>223998261there’s no reason to think anyone is watching any streaming show. Amazon shits out media to evade taxes. This is why most media is produced these days
>>223992761I have literally never met a single person who has watched this in real life
>>224001942My point is that leftists always route for the underdog, the "victim". They see orcs as victims of their circumstances instead of inherently evil beings. Leftists love kidfucking trannies and faggots, murderous niggers, rapist beaners. They pathologically champion the wrong side as a "fuck you" because deep down they're weak and pathetic and they know it.
>>224002129They also were simping for Hamas and Osama bin Laden in the last 2 - 4 years. Anyone that's not the "good guy". George Floyd too.
>>224002129>route for the underdogESL aside, Tolkien is about rooting for the underdog
>>223992761Odds of him having a human wife?
>>224000570why do something new when it's been perfected?
>>223994965Check your hobbi-privilege please.Without orcs who is going to harvest farmer Maggots crops or cook you second or even third breakfast?
>>224002212>simping for Hamas and Osama bin Laden in the last 2 - 4 years.Good thing the right never simped for Osama Bin Laden
>>224002222You're clearly too fucking retarded to understand my point. Have fun drawing your self portrait in diarrhea mongoloid.
>>224001907lmao i never understood this argument, even as a kid, whether it was LotR or war craft or DnD, it never crossed my mind to compare them to a human race because THEYRE FUCKING ORCS
>>224002248Because after Tolkien, and made worse by DND, every party was dwarf, elf, human, woman.
>>223993443Good people don't go evil in LOTR, they are corrupted by the ring. It's more like they're possessed rather than a genuine change of mind.
>>224002376huh, i guess chopping the head off a diplomat is ok because he hurt your feelings, great king you got there
I always thought it would be cool to do a story about a Uruk Hai who gets abandoned and left for dead by his comrades and now separated from the pack mentality, he starts to develop his own warped sense of empathy. Like that one Animatrix skit where a group of humans successfully capture a machine to try and teach about love and compassion and are partially successful, but it still can't fully comprehend these ideas owing to the inherent limitations of its programming.
>>223994591She's in love with Sauron?
>>224002283You were too retarded to have a point be consistent across two posts>leftists hate individualism and love the collective>that's why they always route [sp] for the underdog!
>>223992761I thought orcs were literal beasts created by sauron
>>224002503>soldier who gets abandoned and left for dead by his comrades and now separated from the pack mentality, he starts to develop his own warped sense of empathy.For some reason this classic archetypal masculine story is now considered "leftist" by internet SJWs
>literal ravenous cockroaches bred for a single purpose by the BIG BAD>that is mewhy do swarths do this
>>224002562tolkien never made up his mind on their origin iirc, and it would be morgoth who created them
>>224003218>literal ravenous cockroaches bred for a single purpose by the BIG BAD>that is me
>>223992761i hope sauron wins
>>223992761How do zoomies feel about all these new slop shows and movies?Like I can understand why I remember bad movies better than they were because of nostalgia glasses. But the quality difference is obvious with many of these franchises. And the technical level hasn't actually risen so astronomically that Lotr looks outdated, like when you look at a 1960s movie and the lighting is flat and the SFX are goofy
>>223992761I don't like the jews trying to 'humanise' orcs and make them sympathetic. They're evil, and should all be killed.
>>224003445They don't care.
>>223993640>an orc eating pork
>>224003445>How do zoomies feel about all these new slop shows and movies?They're dancing on tiktok
>>224002376Chuds always praise LOTR for being a simple black and white story of good vs. evil, with no moral grayness or complexity.JRR Tolkien has spoken out against the Chud reading of his work, emphasizing that moral complexity and its tragic consequences are the most moving part of the story for him. Referring to the claim that the matter of good and evil is rather simple in LOTR he stated:>"But of course, as a matter of fact it isn't really, is it? You see evil on the good side. It isn't just blacks against whites, or the goodies against baddies, as they call it modern parlance.">"People have often asked me what moves me most. I think the most tragic point in the whole story is the terrible irony that good often does evil. The most tragic moment is when Sam in his protectiveness says, 'Take your hands off.' And therefore defeats Gollum's repentance. Because that seems to be very true to life."Tolkien's statements have reportedly left chuds in absolute shambles, endlessly spamming 'evil can never create' memes and claiming that 'if Tolkien lived in the modern UK, he would be a nazi with a simplistic worldview like me!'https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20260918-the-most-tragic-moment-in-the-lord-of-the-rings
>>224003445Zoomies watch streamers for 6 hours to spam "I WAS THERE" when something happens
>>224003379I can't tell what this is, every movie from the 70s that's set one year before 1970 has people dressed exactly the same
>>223994226These characters literally make me want to kill myself. They all look related to Miss Trunchbull from Matilda.
>>224002534I copied and pasted the entire paragraph instead of just the relevant part. If you're too fucking retarded to get it after I've explained myself that's on you. Now go die retard.
>>224003668You seem to be violently against individualism and angry when people go against the collective hivemind
>>224002376And what if Eru decides an Orc should be good?
>>224001942It's an orc joining THEIR hivemind though.
>>224000570You're a fucking idiot who doesn't read. Nothing that came out before or after him is even remotely similar. Go ahead and try to name fantasy books that feel the same as reading Lord of the Rings. There isn't a single one. Nobody copied him. They just made and continue to make putrid shit; the modern fantasy genre is honestly pathetic, I wish they were copying Tolkien.
>>224003576How do you not know the most famous scene of one of the most famous films by one of the most talked about directors on this board? It's Spartacus ya goof!
>>223994591Why did they make Galadriel cheat on her husband with Sauron? What an absolutely retarded idea for a prequel
>>224000570Basically every Fantasy writer tries to subvert Tolkien because they CANT copy him since they can't reach the level of the beauty of his art.
>>224004207teleporno
>>224004050Not entirely true.The opening book of The Wheel of Time copies him, but then goes and does its own thing.The Shannara books also copy the style, if not the same literary and lyrical depth.But apart from those two, I can't think of a single copycat of Tolkien. Just books and games copying the setting or fantasy race concepts.
>>223994052bro you watched lower decks lmao?
>>224004197Spartacus would've been my first guess, I honestly just don't give a shit about Heston and the other mid atlantic mfs.Their acting is only praise because there were only 200 actors. The sets were crazy though, I like that.
this nigga had an arc
Is the orc going to bang Galadriel as well?
>>223992761I’m so fucking sick of we are not so different you and I stories and misunderstood villains. They had to push that pajeet shit into LOTR as well? They only had literally every other media property already.
>>223992929>cultural presencelol
>>223993443true>>223993497who are you quoting? are you ok?
>>223996888ok garithos
>>223992761Won’t be watching or subscribing to this jewish dogshit.
Most orcs are peaceful
They couldn't just try to say something like >orcs = nazis then they'd feel justified in doing whatever to them.
>>223992761leftists see orcs as representing minorities. how curious..
>>223993517or so you believed
>>223992761lol just some representation to defend trannies.
Not my GOAT.
>hauling a corrupted being around in chains who may or may not have a change of heartwow, daring
>>223992761Only good orc is a dead orc. No exceptions.
>>223992761uhh aren't orcs literally evil? like they aren't even a race, they're twisted and corrupted elves
>>224007475Woke crap that corrupts something that's bad and turn into a good or misunderstood.
>>224007268great series. they didn't ruin it with a retarded ending. which is surprising for an anime. i just finished Psycho Pass s3. ugh. that was a big step down. and it just fizzles out
>>223996911are Norwegian whites also inherently evil to you? because that's what WC orcs were inspired from
>>224003218>>literal ravenous cockroaches bred for a single purpose by the BIG BADwhy are you talking about indians?
>>224003353But didn't the movies show them literally being made?
>>223992761>Evil cannot create only corrupt and destroy
>take something called a joke and try to genuinely make itAmazon pls, don't do a Sony.
>>224002503Based.In the end he discover that he's a woman trapped inside a man body, Amazon™ will make a spin-off of it.
>>224007613yeah, the uruk-hai were dug out of a gel in the mud, black magic, satanic shit
>>223992761>Take a ridiculous cartoonish parody>Turn it into a nightmarish reality
>>223992853More like uruk bye!
>>223992761>challenge long-held perceptionsHow about instead you challenge your writers to actually adhere to the perceptions and rules of an established fantasy world so you don't piss off the fanbase that is supposed to be your audience.
>>223997091Warcraft orcs were based on Warhammer orks weren’t they?
>>223996888das rayciss
>>223997483dey wuz gud boys dey dindu nuffin
> https://rangs.ytmnd.com/> https://rangs.ytmnd.com/> https://rangs.ytmnd.com/
>>223992761>meant to challenge long held perceptions of orcsWhy?
>>224007731>>challenge long-held perceptionsthe perceptions will hold, no matter how they try
>>223992761>The man eating monsters created by Satan are just like us you guys
I like this show but I miss Halbrand
>>223998261you guys do the same thing though
>>224007709ha
