How is it going to resolve? Any recent updates regarding it? Any anons working in the field or related fields, what is the general vibe among people in biology-adjacent academia in terms of their actual, private opinions on HBD/race realism? HBD revolution in bio-anthropology when? As a biologist myself, I'm fucking tired of all this contemporary neo-Lysenkoist nonsense and why rightoids in power such as Trump's admin are not trying to fix it in any way whatsoever? If I were in Trump's admin in positions related to science and education, I swear I would try my best to sue and jail all the major journal (Nature, Cell, Science, Lancet, etc.) executives, wikipedia editors, research institute executives etc. for intentional mass-spreading of ideologically biased disinformation(sic!) which is a major public and academic threat.
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>>17082140It isn’t going to resolve and Cofnas isn’t helping. Even in his chat with Coleman Hughes basically Cofnas was argued to a standstill on the argument “even if that is right then why is it good to popularize it in the general public” to which Cofnas could only reply something along the lines of “it shouldn’t, only elites should know this” which basically makes the issue a non-starter (since we all know “cognitive elites” are not at all what constitutes the “elites” who are basically jocks who can’t play sports or get fit)Academia will never admit to Cofnas’ more convincing and better argument that Woke is the inherent outgrowth of a reality-denial system the anti-HBd movement relies on, but reality-denial not at all constrained to things like HBD. The academic establishment is overrun by people who say Women are just like Men, Climate Catastrophe will happen in 5 years (for the last 30 years), and that not being obese is healthy is a social construct due to white cismale hegemony. Look at the Fat Liberation conference they hosted THIS YEAR at Harvard Medical School.Cofnas is not smart in the sense of picking one’s battles, aside from attracting attention to himself. The fact that he got himself in the middle of the Arday Affair is really telling; let’s change topics to academic fakery at will to get him in the spotlight of controversy once more. Why? Just to be a renegade with no real allegiance.A more smart approach for an academic stature would be to drill down and debunk real issues without becoming a pariah. Roland Freyer is a good example of someone doing god’s work without being a center for erratic melodrama
>>17082140Cofnas is an anti-White jew who hates White ethnostates and loves israel. HBD is true, though.
>>17082140>what is the general vibe among people in biology-adjacent academia in terms of their actual, private opinions on HBD/race realism?https://archive.li/TDZemhttps://www.emilkirkegaard.com/p/expert-opinion-on-race-and-intelligence?utm_source=publication-searchhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmwcjBTL_foThere is no "expert" consensus on the existence of biological race anywhere other than China, and in China, they unanimously accept the existence of biological race. Biologists and biologists with greater academic credentials are more likely to accept the existence of race. With regards to the Black-White IQ gap, only 15-17% of intelligence researchers say they believe the gap to have no genetic component, while the mean response is 50% due to genetics.
>>17082396>Cofnas is an anti-White jew who hates White ethnostates source? As far as I can tell Cofnas is fine with all the societies that have high IQ white gentiles and high IQ white jews (none of those low-IQ Mizrahis of course, same goes for let’s say the low-IQ Polish). I think my take on him is he’s basically a classical liberal with a bias against low-IQ populations, meaning he has some anti-immigration bent that puts him into something Woketards consider “far-right” but has nothing to do with say Savitri Devi or William L. Pierce, since Wokes have no concept of what actually constitutes the “right”. That was my take on him but
>>17082405"race realists are mostly low-IQ, anti-Semitic white nationalists.""With respect to white nationalism, I share Nietzsche’s attitude toward Germans whoadvocate nationalism and race hatred and...take pleasure in the national scabies of the heart and blood poisoning that now leads the nations of Europe to delimit and barricade themselves against each other as if it were a matter of quarantine....We who are homeless are too manifold and mixed racially and in our descent, being “modern men,” and consequently do not feel tempted to participate in the mendacious racial self-admiration and racial indecency that parades in Germany today as a sign of a German way of thinking and that is doubly false and obscene among the people of the “historical sense.” (The Gay Science, § 377)I feel no need to quarantine myself from nonwhites (or non-Jews). And the historical record suggests that white nationalism is invariably expressed mainly as negativity toward other races and perceived enemies within the “white” race, which is not something I find attractive. A generation of Internet white nationalists has produced tens of millions of pieces of racist online content, but zero great works of music, art, or literature, and a relatively small amount of high-quality scientific analysis. Despite their claimed love of classical music, there isn’t a single well-known, white-nationalist classical performer, let alone composer. This is not the community that is carrying the torch of Western civilization, as I understand it."https://ncofnas.com/p/a-guide-for-the-hereditarian-revolution
>>17082414So you are agreeing with me then? He’s basically in favor of a Jew-White alliance to the exclusion of anyone low IQ (i.e also excluding low IQ jews and whites)i mean a surface level reading of those quotes seems to confirm this take right ?
>>17082415>He’s basically in favor of a Jew-White alliance to the exclusion of anyone low IQHe's okay with high-IQ non-Whites (as in the dispossession of Whites).I already quoted this: "I feel no need to quarantine myself from nonwhites (or non-Jews). And the historical record suggests that white nationalism is invariably expressed mainly as negativity toward other races and perceived enemies within the “white” race, which is not something I find attractive."
>>17082418So you’re one of those guys who thinks this is a bad take because what, stupid whites deserve gibs? (and implicitly stupid “foundational american” blacks deserve them too or no?)
>>17082414>"race realists are mostly low-IQ, anti-Semitic white nationalists."This is just true tho. >>17082418>I feel no need to quarantine myself from nonwhites (or non-Jews).Which White HBD bloggers/personalities claim that they on the contrary would want an ethnostate or quarantine/exclude non-whites of ANY IQ/SES/achievement level out of the White societies?
>>17082405>Savitri Devi>WLP>posting on /sci/Go back to /pol/ midwit wigger retard. You are one of the reasons European countries aren't being saved now from all the two digit hordes. Wiggernat retards are only making it worse with their gatekeeping, moralfaggotry and their retarded anankastic purity spiraling behavior. Gooks aren't like that and their countries are doing just fine. You guys are more akin to sandnigs, chechens and kikes - the very people you hate, or should I say, the very people you envy (but kikes are at least capable of building a society with some civil liberties for their own ethnic group, unlike your totalitarian chechen-like retarded abomination of a political project). And no, your IQ is NOT 130+ because a shitty online test said so. If it were 130+ you would've been in the Mensa like me, but that's not the case.
>>17082420None of that was implied once, and my opinion on that is irrelevant to the fact that he's okay with high-IQ non-Whites, which obviously goes against a jew + White ethnostate.>>17082490Ryan.>>17082498>in the Mensa like me"As further evidence of the instability of their homes, one third of the respondents described their homes as unhappy when they were children. This is double the figure found by the author in an unpublished study of 254 mature persons who were attending adult education summer courses in Western Australia. It is also double the figure found for Australian university students.""Thirty percent of the males and 32 percent of the females reported that they had had serious emotional conflicts that have interferred with their lives or have led to illnesses requiring medical attention. This compares with 18 percent of males and 38 percent of females found for a general Australian population ( 5 ) . Thus the Mensa males are high on neurotic manifestations, while the females are about normal."https://www.emilkirkegaard.com/p/the-mensa-fallacy?utm_source=publication-search
>>17082498I’m not a wignat bro, I’m more politically aligned with e.g. Jeffrey Sachs. I brought up Devi and Pierce are good examples of how deranged what the actual “far-right” people think versus who gets that label pinned to them by Wokeists (for example Cofnas who is totally milquetoast). But regardless I agree with your point that wignats who go around spouting F. P. Yockey shit do nothing but undermine the entire right-of-center and give ammunition to the left
>>17082631Sorry for chimping out then. I guess I simply had a terrible day (and I'm also mentally ill). Still not an excuse for such behavior.On a serious note though, I don't even consider myself right-wing or political in general anymore because of some events in my life (which doesn't matter that much by Western standards, since for most upper midwit Westerners I still would be an almost-literally-nazi if I were open about my actual views on biological anthropology) after a certain shift in my philosophical and religious views towards Buddhism, but the fact that Western nations are still oblivious to biological differences between humans and the fact that Western academia has literal neo-Lysenkoists in positions of power, it simply infuriates me, especially as a guy from ex-Soviet Union, the very place where Lysenkoism was originally born in the first place.
Btw, a separate topic I wanted to raise - any serious neuroscientists here who might have actual insights into mechanisms on why exactly niggers are dumber on average, aside from raw psychometrics-adjacent statistics? One of my hypotheses was (can't quite pull up the article right now unfortunately) that it has to do a lot with the fact that they have a lower baseline BDNF expression rate. I also remember reading one of these Epstein files emails, where a German neuroscientist claimed it has to do something with how connectivity is organized in a more "legacy" way in groid brains.
I am going to find this grimy little Jew in Ghent and force feed him cuberdons and Ename on the terras of 't kanon until his little pink belly pops
is it pronounced "sneed a city" or "snee dasity"
>>17083067The latter, since it's how an Audacity fork is named
>>17082140We're going to resolve this by defunding all social """sciences"""
>>17083078Nobody is remotely going to defund them so far, from what I see, and "we" whatever that means are hardly in any academic positions of power at the moment.
>>17083055Is anyone going to elaborate on this? I was always curious about it
>>17083681No, because you’re just being racist with big words and sound retarded.
>>17083706>das raycis!!!
>>17083713Epic my fellow kekistani, shadilay!
>>17083706https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/joim.13132> A specificallele associated with lower levels of BDNF hasbeen found to be higher in African Americans thanin European American cohorts
>>17083055It's not any one gene.Picrel is the sibling GWAS polygenic score results.https://www.emilkirkegaard.com/p/sasha-gusev-wont-answer-basic-questions?utm_source=publication-search"Polygenic score gaps align with known phenotypes as expected.Admixture regression results suggest substantial genetic causation of European vs. African or vs. Amerindian gaps for intelligence, as based on detailed analyses of PING, PNC, ABCD datasets. Other researchers have also replicated these for social status many times in the last 10 years.Measurement invariance testing rules out various X factor theories, which together with approximately even heritabilities makes Jensen's variance argument hard to get around. Simply speaking, the causes of group differences in intelligence are the same as those that cause within group differences, and the group gaps in social status just aren't large enough to explain the intelligence gaps, even if one makes implausible assumptions about their size.The failure of 100s of billions of dollars spent on remedial, compensatory, early education the last 70 years suggest the causes aren't environmental. In fact, the gaps have remaining basically stable for 100 years despite a complete change form legal anti-Black racism in the US south, to mandatory pro-Black racism in every state, and a related fall in anti-Black sentiment among Whites. If these factors are important, then why did the gap not change?There are positive correlations between items' and tests' g-loadings, heritabilities (family and polygenic scores), group differences based on social race, and ancestry associations. This total pattern is difficult to explain from an egalitarian perspective.Detailed analyses of proposed causes of intelligence gaps show that these fall woefully short. For instance, subclinical lead poisoning is often claimed, but rigorous research suggest tiny effect sizes of lead, and in any case, the group gaps on this variable aren't large enough."
>>17083906These are still correlations and not actual underlying neuroscientific mechanisms. Essentially, what these educational attainment polygenic score studies say is that "they're dumb because of many genes" which is already obvious for those who believe in hereditarianism, but it doesn't explain actual underlying neural mechanisms - causal chains of events in the brain development that result certain phenotypesTrying to boil it down to a single "most important gene" like that anon did earlier is retarded though. But his question about actual mechanisms is legit
>>17083938You don't necessarily need an autistically-detailed mechanism, but since you want to be pendantic, then alright.https://www.researchgate.net/publication/369479241_A_Multimodal_MRI-based_Predictor_of_Intelligence_and_Its_Relation_to_RaceEthnicity"We used data from the Adolescent Brain Cognitive Development Study to create a multimodal MRI-based predictor of intelligence. We applied the elastic net algorithm to over 50,000 neurological variables. We find that race can confound models when a multiracial training sample is used, because models learn to predict race and use race to predict intelligence. When the model is trained on non-Hispanic Whites only, the MRI-based predictor has an out-of-sample model accuracy of r = .51, which is 3 to 4 times greater than the validity of whole brain volume in this dataset. This validity generalized across the major socially-defined racial/ethnic groupings (White, Black, and Hispanic). There are race gaps on the predicted scores, even though the model is trained on White subjects only. This predictor explains about 37% of the relation between both the Black and Hispanic classification and intelligence.""We find that MRI-based predictions of genetic ancestry are very accurate. The three correlations of interest are .91, .89, and .61, for European, African, and Amerindian ancestry, respectively. As expected, the correlations were higher for European and African ancestry than for White and Black social race, respectively."The gaps are also g-loaded, too.Also, there's this post on mutualism: >>17077711Also, it's hard to explain the predictive validity of sibling polygenic scores without acknowledging that the direction of causation is from those genes to the phenotypes.
>>17083998No, I mean, mechanism as in actual underlying circuitry of intelligence, not the ability to predict the intelligence via a machine-learning black box. I want to know what's exactly going on in an average groid's brain and what makes it different from an average whitey's brain. Something akin to Joscha Bach's takes in his dialogue with JEE (https://jmail.world/thread/HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_025954?view=inbox), but more elaborate. Mechanism as in "cog A pushes piston B, which pulls the lever C", not "here's the posterior probability of piston B being pushed when cog A is being rotated"
I am well-aware that you can predict race by analyzing structural MRI scans, I'm just curious about what's going on at the "cog A pushes piston B" level
Essentially, what I wanted to figure out is, while hereditarians in general excel at rigorous research on a broad "why are they dumber on average?" topic and consistently deliver rigorous proof that it's mostly due to genetics, I'm also curious on a more specific "how are they dumber on average?" where "how" means "what are the specific cogs and pistons" as in my cog and piston analogy I brought up earlier
>>17082140What's the teal deer on this>>17082366>in his chat with Coleman Hughes basically Cofnas was argued to a standstill Sounds like two e-whores mud wrestling on ppv and you're a wannabe ref?
