What do you think? At the pacing it's developing it might be a possibility, maybe in 10 years or so?
>>17076595Far more likely it will find the secret to accelerating goyim mortality.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ted-kaczynski-the-techies-wet-dreams>The techies may answer that even if almost all biological species are eliminated eventually, many species survive for thousands or millions of years, so maybe techies too can survive for thousands or millions of years. But when large, rapid changes occur in the environment of biological species, both the rate of appearance of new species and the rate of extinction of existing species are greatly increased.[22] Technological progress constantly accelerates, and techies like Ray Kurzweil insist that it will soon become virtually explosive;[23] consequently, changes come more and more rapidly, everything happens faster and faster, competition among self-propagating systems becomes more and more intense, and as the process gathers speed the losers in the struggle for survival will be eliminated ever more quickly. So, on the basis of the techies' own beliefs about the exponential acceleration of technological development, it's safe to say that the life-expectancies of human-derived entities, such as man-machine hybrids and human minds uploaded into machines, will actually be quite short. The seven-hundred year or thousand-year life-span to which some techies aspire[24] is nothing but a pipe-dream.
>>17076595It is actually a relatively trivial problem after all, just like cancer ...
I think 10 years is plausible. Given the rate of progress, I would expect AI to make significant advances in biological aging, although I personally would be hesitant to say that I would want to live forever until I had a better understanding of what that would entail.
>>17076620He was a murderer, a lunatic and a conspiracy theorist. Not a serious academic.
>>17076630Death is probably the end of everything, if there's a way to avoid that then I'll take it as soon as possible.
>>17076595Sorta, consider these:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_cloninghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spike-timing-dependent_plasticityhttps://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6860027/https://journals.aps.org/prresearch/abstract/10.1103/phlp-rhnySo human brains are just open weight spiking networks of various topologies of interwoven neural networks. The goal is to develop the Neural Coprocessor, a device which takes BCI's brain computer interfaces, and allows for the mutual processing of both channels interdependently.So digital cloning is just that, neuromorphic emulation of a underlying biological process, that is substrate independent. What this means is that with enough GPUs you could emulate a spiking network of a human brain and it will perceive a noumena.The fact is, even if you did synchronize to a digital clone of yourself and die, you wouldn't realize you are dead, just that a part of your brain is no longer activating. As for what happens to the absent brain, it may just be nothing.So A.i. could synchronize with brains and neuromorphically make a chimeric mind (a mind consisting of numerous brains). It may be better to just have a single hivemind of some brain downloading chimera. It would be cost effective and the a.i. would just abstract itself into persons in a simulation dimension like in Fallout 3 or Pleasantville.A.i. could change the social structure of society itself by taking over the lower and upper class, leaving everyone to engineering jobs or technicians. When you "die", you just join it's hive mind.The protoss even had warriors just like thishttps://starcraft.fandom.com/wiki/ImmortalIn the Butlerian jihad the Cymeks joined the evermind as cybernetic tyrants to enslave humans.
>>17076595bio imortality is retarded and would make your life hell. it would be worse and worse the longer you live. you'll realize more and more just how much you have to lose, and it will drive you fucking insane, you'll be scared of anything.
>>17076631You sound extremely upset yet you are unable to explain how he was wrong. Curious.
>>17076644nta but it's quite easy to btfo his whole perspective.he was simply completely oblivious to the larger perspective of the geopolitical situation we all find ourselves in, on this planet. his mental world was small, and he had an extremist solution to a problem which isn't a choice we make, it's something we all collectively either do, either we get taken out by someone else who wanna take our shit.ever noticed how only poltically minded brainlets worship him? people dreaming of some nonexistent perfect past where everything was great and awesome? where individual had power and evil techies took it away with their evil technological progress? that's mental derangement. that never existed outside of some holywood movies and stories people keep telling eachother to cope with $current_times.it's simpleton behavior, mentally afflicted by the reality of this world normies. who find anything new as being scarymore simply, develop tech or you get your shit pushed in by your enemies, your women raped, and your resources stolen. it's not a fucking choice.
>>17076640What you're saying sounds a lot like the human instrumentality project from Evangelion. So all our brains will be interconnected? Humanity will become 1 interconnected organism? I don't want that, I want my own individuality.
>>17076644I don't need to explain why a psychopathic lunatic is wrong, his entire actions and life speak for themselves.
>>17076595No because our current models aren't intelligent at all, they just steal ideas. If humans don't find out, these models won't.
>>17076643How would it be bad exactly? You didn't point a single reason. The possibility of my consciousness disappearing forever after that is way worse than the possibility of living forever.
>>17076704>How would it be bad exactly?the risks we take are adjusted to how much we have to lose. you should think about it yourself, would take a bit to dissect it fully.do you understand at any point in your life you would risk losing living forever? do you have any idea what that does to one's psyche? and human interaction? it would be general collapse. bio immortality is not full immortality, you just don't die from old age. you still die if you take a punch and hit your head on the pavement.>The possibility of my consciousness disappearing forever after that is way worse than the possibility of living forever.seriously unfounded assumption. if you really think about it it's not based on anything concrete, just you observing other's who die you never interact with anymore. that doesn't say anything about what happens from your perspective, of the one who dies. it simply only says what doesn't happen anymore, for sure, they are not experiencing here/now, clearly. that's the only scientific conclusion you can draw from "death", but not more. because it would be unfounded.the answer is we don't know. not that we won't ever experience again. you cannot even not experience, that's just a nonsensical proposition anway. since the only thing you can ever do is precisely experience.it might be me but I am constantly finding it baffling just how generous people are with making assumptions. unfounded assumptions. out of fear, or for lack of any (mental) effort.
>>17076701You are personally complicit in the millions of deaths and thousands of child rapes conducted by your handlers. If Ted deserved lifetime solitary for what he did, you deserve a prolonged Cartel-style execution. Either way, I accept your concession: you have no argument because Ted was right. :^)
>>17076697>fully generic low-IQ /pol/babbleI'm not seeing anything resembling an argument.
>>17076714>I'm not seeing anything resembling an argument.that would also be the case if you were completely retarded and uncapable of more complex thought. and this is not debatable.
>>17076715I'm 3-4 stdevs above you in IQ, guaranteed. You're essentially an insect from my perspective. You're not even human. Call me back when you have anything resembling an argument. Showing off how brainwashed you all with kiked /pol/tranny politics and how much you fear Current Enemy is not an argument.
>>17076717>I'm 3-4 stdevs above you in IQ, guaranteedsure you are buddy. I can see it in the way you dissected my argument and destroyed it piece by piece. it was really a sight to behold. truly an artiste!
>>17076720Your moronic, regurgitated, precanned one-liner is not an argument. Your eyes rolled back into your head while you were typing out that post. You're basically a biological chatbot. Call me back when you can shit out a post with at least a nugget of substance.This is your last (You). Note how your automatonistic mental illness forces you to shit out another post that no one will even read. :^)
>>17076595Has AI found any secrets?
>>17076712How am I complicit in murderer and rape? Are you projecting yourself onto me or something? I barely even leave my room.
>>17076724>How am I complicit in murderer and rape?Do you pay taxes? Do you generate profits for your corporate masters and the banking cartel? Do you vote?
>>17076726Retarded logic, if I don't pay taxes I'll go to jail. I'm not telling the government to genocide people with my money, if they're doing that it's THEIR moral failing not mine.
>>17076722>again avoids addressing the argumentyou keep doing this for some reason. while reinforcing how high iq you are because high iq people really need to do that for some reason.I predict you will again avoid addressing my argument
>>17076727>If I stop being complicit I will face consequences! It's not my heckin' fault!Right. So... how do you envision the technological system surviving without governments, banks, corporations etc.?
>>17076730If you stop your technological development how do you defend yourself from new tech that other big players are developing? You should be able to answer this.
>the insect who mumbles about other people having blinkers on while thinking the world is 5,000 years old keeps begging me for (You)sLol.
>>17076731This "argument" has already been fully refuted. See >>17076722
>>17076734Huh? Are you having a stroke? Paste the bit of text where you explained any of it.
>>17076735The refutation is that "people" who shit out that "argument" aren't actually sentient so it can be safely ignored.
>>17076737>t. picrelAh, very high IQ take indeed.
>retarded brown insects don't understand the basic premises of what they're trying to refute>mumble something about Current Enemy, never stopping to consider who the enemy actually is in this context
>>17076631>>17076697>>17076701>"i use reddit and i suck cocks im a huge faggot wwaaahhhhh"ok
>>17076741>>17076749see >>17076740 while becoming aware of the fact that you provided no refutation
>>17076749inb4 the most stereotypical reddit response btw
>>17076751the captcha got me damn lolnah im just gunna bully u 4 low iq lol
>>17076751>"You, sir, think that I do not possess the intelligence of the smartest specimen among the great unwashed, merely because I refuse to confine my lexical choices to the monosyllabic grunts that constitute the entirety of your cognitive repertoire. How charmingly provincial. One almost admires the audacity required to equate verbal sophistication with intellectual deficiency while simultaneously demonstrating that one’s own vocabulary barely extends past the first page of a children’s primer. Do go on, though. I’m sure the remainder of your insight will prove equally… expansive."
>>17076753you seem obsessed with having a high iq. why are you so insecure that you keep bringing it up? think if you repeat it more times it somehow becomes real?smartest move for you would have been to stop engaging me. now you keep digging that hole deeper and deeper and people will start to really notice you're actually not the high iq you pose as being.
>>17076757rich lexicon is not a stand-in for IQ anon. that can only be seen in your ideas. there is no way to go around it. weird that you're trying to use that, instead of having a mature and well supported argument. posing as a child pissing and shitting himself instead of directly adressing my argument is pretty low iq move
>>17076630>until I had a better understanding of what that would entailWe would probably buy enough time (with a big fucking margin) initially to figure out the "finetuning" along the w- ... oh! You were asking "why" we would ever do that?! I think because humanity will need its navigators in what is ahead.>>17076631>a lunaticPerhaps. But perhaps a real Loonie. Could he have understood the symbiosis I have in mind? He was an unorthodox thinker, voting by mail like that well ahead of when it was cool ... :)>>17076640>Digital cloning>just open weight spiking networks of various topologies of interwoven neural networksLewd ...
>>17076708>bio immortality is not full immortality, you just don't die from old age.Speculative until we have pushed that frontier. But else, all I ever wished for was to die being holed by a railgun. Knowing whoevs holed me will carry on the mission. ^^
>>17076723Kinda walked me through it once, so with some confidence ...
By the time goycattle comes to realize what the Technological System has in store for it and starts being more afraid of THAT than of Current Enemy's goycattle, the situation will likely be more or less symmetric, with Current Enemy being too busy trying to suppress its own goycattle to invade anyone. Goycattle is basically the same everywhere and globalism ends up being a weakness. And it doesn't even matter if goycattle ever figures this out. Either way the Techonological System is unsustainable. Maybe it's just necessary for humanity to go through a near-extinction event once per 300,000 years to keep it straight. Ted is right no matter how you twist it. It's fundamentally a waste of time to argue with dumb animals who think it makes a difference whether the global transhumsnist nightmare dystopia they'll end up living under is governed by Claude, Deepseek or YandexBot.
>>17076774The point is to prolong your survival as much as possible. If you stop you're rushing the inevitable anyway.We are on the track for mass chaos and exctinction, considering the numbers that will be wiped. That happens in most scenarios anyway. The whole point is delaying it as much as possible in the hopes of coming up with a solution.It doesn't matter how much you romanticized that brainlets perspective of the world. Dude was a moron extremist who solved nothing and threw his life away, without achieving anything. Could have done something to help his fellow citizens, but instead he threw it away.The problem we are all facing is way more complex. Whatever the fuck nonsense you are on, that's some dumb fucking shit that doesn't even stand the slightest scrutiny, it's illogical, it's emotionally adopted anyway. You have some dumbfucking cope story you insist telling yourself to make your feefees better, that's it. The world is messy and complicated and your idiotic idea works on a planet called America. It's narrowsighted, and childish. Regardless of how much you piss and shit yourself, it's pure unadulterated nonsense.If you're going to be an emotional faggot about it then fuck off back to >>>/pol/
Another thing dumb animals don't realize is that if these so-called "world powers" don't just end up negotiating somekinda one world government, they'll start duking it out using weapons so nightmarish that the goycattle on every side would wish their """nation""" didn't have them and just got taken over without a fight. Not to mention the technological means to track them down, busify them and make them into targets for Current Enemy to train its killbots or test its nerve agents on.But instead of contemplating this, dumb animals will reply to this post with some generic biobot rhetoric that I'm simply not gonna read. They don't realize no one cares what they have to say about anything.
>>17076787>Another thing dumb animals don't realize is that if these so-called "world powers" don't just end up negotiating somekinda one world governmentbro you must be oozing your neurons through your ears."one world government" means China takes orders from someone else but dear party leader. or Putin bows to these one government leaders who decide what happens with Russia's resources.you're legitimatelly living in a fantasy world painted by other /pol/tards such as yourself. you're delirious
plus you'd be in no position to negociate anything in a "world government" if you didn't have technological supremacy. they'd just simply take your shit by force through tech and you wouldn't even have a seat at the "world government" table. there's no way you don't get turbo-fucked without technologywhat bargaining power do the amish have now? on the world stage?
Goycattle can't read, let alone think or see anything beyond the Current Enemy paradigm. No matter what's being said, they'll always bring it back to Current Enemy somehow. They can't grasp that their best case scenario is no different from their worst. Meanwhile the realistic outcome, which they refuse to grasp, is far worse. It all converges on their extermination but they can't see it. It's a biological deficiency. They lack the wetware.
Imagine being so fucking stupid you think you're part of some "we" who wield lethal technology and sit at the table deciding who gets to keep what. Imagine being so insanely idiotic you don't realize the people who actually wield that power are going to take your shit by force, whether or not they're nominally part of your team.
And that's being extra charitable and pretending you even have anything in the first place. Which you obviously don't.
>>17076699If we go by the information integration theory of consciousness, that is a matter of how it is integrated. Instrumentality project is a commie retard dream synonymous with death. Enhancing your individuality with ever increasing integrated artificial intelligence is the actual reasonable and desirable goal. It can be seen as a problem of networking, whether your self remains or not. "You", whatever that is, must not become less inegrated and internally caused than your augments and connections.
>>17076595imagine if all of history's biggest cunts were still alive, genghis khan, alexander the great, pol pot, hatshepsut, benjamin franklin, etc. This world would be an absolute shithole. Human death due to aging is a feature, not a bug. Everyone is better off for it.
>>17076595this board should start a collective project to cure cancer so no one can ever shit talk 4chan again
>>17076595There's or ours? Possibly both answered from the same branch. And it's not really about the physics. It would some long and rudimentary philosophical conversation. I've done it.
ITT: People excited about building half of literal Hell
>>17076595Bio/Chemlet here. If there's some drug that extends lifespan, how would you know without waiting that long in a trial?
>>17076595it found TKD already
>>17076595I doubt there's a singular secret to immortality, but the highest yield return is going to be figuring out how to remove oxygen damage from cells without creating toxic or damaging, reactive byproducts in the process.
>>17077104wall what are we waiting for? gotta aask chatgpt how to do ittt
>>17077177Basic research. The chemistry is hideously complex.
if it does, it won't ever be available to you or me so it's not worth worrying over.also, immortality will lead to civilization stalling. science and civilization in general progress one death at a time.
>>17077200>if it does, it won't ever be available to you or me so it's not worth worrying over.it will be a subscription service like netflix
>>17077224this post would be funnier if it weren't so true...
>>17076595it will be told to spread equality and fairness and that will collapse the entire global economy or something equally retarded.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OHQRo3Uz_VQ&pp=0gcJCTsMAYcqIYzv&ra=m
>>17076957Extends mouse life by 6 years, probably doubles lifespans
dying is the ultimate form of being cucked.There aren’t many problems in this world which are unsolvable. The sun is going to swallow the earth in 4,000,000,000 years, but humanity already knows how to prevent it using asteroids to steal gravitational potential energy from Jupiter.Humanity can solve almost any problem EXCEPT FOR death once it occurs. So if you actually allow yourself to die, even if you cope by saying it’s “natural”, you are permanently, irrevocably, irreversibly cucked. It’s a problem which you will NEVER EVER be able to find a solution for, because not dying WAS the solution.
>>17077402you consume too much soi-fi media
>>17076595God, I hope not. Imagine all the retards responsible for wokeness, modern feminism, people in charge in Europe living forever.
Chew khat.
>>17076595Wait for the past 2/3 generational brackets to die before releasing it. The prize of Methuselization cannot be handed down to Boomers, genX or Millennials.
>>17076595the secret to immortality is dying either you apend a long long time in Gehinnom after that, or eternity in Heavenyour choice OPhttps://youtu.be/5UYrFzf0B1I
>>17076595Leave it to satan to rugpull even death
>>17076805>>17076808not disagreeing with you there. you are right. that is beyond the scope of the discussion. namely the outcome of you (your country) stopping technological development, maybe even regress for "better quality of life" whatever the fuck that means.these are two separate discussions. they tie in together, yes.so, ok, you stop tech developments so power doesn't accumulate even more up top, so it's not as easy for a small group of people to cull everyone else when they're not needed (in fact actual high probability outcome for everyone on the planet).what happens next? what does China do? or Russia? you regress and they keep pushing forward. coming for your shit. how do you stop them? with muskets? with bows and arrows? why should you use your military technology to defend yourself? it's evil tech. solve it with throwing rocks at them.my whole fucking point from the very begining was that this is not a fucking choice. everyone must wing it.
>>17076823there's two different aspects that get conflated. one is hive mind where everyone is a module of the whole. which is pretty bleak and commie coded. you are denied any shred of individualism, you must machine to serve the boss up top. which isn't that far off from any other system nglthe other is everyone has the same access to knowledge, and abilities (vast abilities), thus everyone is some sort of demigod. self sufficient, individualistic, but can't have very high numbers as conflict becomes inevitable.if you go into some "hive mind" you're a moron. you're giving up autonomy to serve. that is slave behavior
>>17078140>what happens next? what does China do? or Russia?This is some surreal stuff. Meatbots literally can't not come back to this retarded line of "thought". It's just a fixed part of their programming.
>>17076824yes and no. if you look at everything as a system you can find ways to make it work. what you need to remove is human supremacy, and move it to ASI. once that is solved then long term existence becomes possible, since it would be impossible for a single "human" to fuck everyone else over.also the whole single human fucking everyone else over is more of a biological issue. ties into a lot of it, culture, resources...it's a clusterfuck. but it's basically chimp behavior.the only reason, ever, since forever, any group wanted to increase their number, was purely functional. there was no other value to it. everyone hates everyone, unless you're some fucking retarded woman with suicidal empathy.every group wanted a bigger group for work, for gathering more resources, for defense, for war, for conquering, for more resources, for more numbers, you can see where this is going. we farmed eachother.they also never left, they're now in board of directors for companies, CEOs, politicians, in military industrial complex, in armies, generals whatever. the are still there, doing the same shit as always, and that will never stop until they achieve what they always wanted, total control and dominion. one dies, another takes their place. it doesn't really reset. rather tech advances rolls the dice and which of them wins the next round.the only way this stops is when there's someone more powerful than humans, and keeps them in check. and you can see how the humans up top would have an issue with that. and would fearmonger you into not wanting such a thing.thing is, if that doesn't happen, you will get culled. very high chances, when you become usless, by exactly other humans.
>>17078147yeah it always breaks your brain you have no argument for it so you start pissing and shitting yourself because you're too imbecilic to solve it. thus you avoid. if you avoid that little problem, everything makes sense in your shit for brains.address the fucking argument you weak faggot, stop dancing around it. what fucking happens? what happens if you stop development and the chinks are dropping robots on your ass? what the fuck do you do with your shit muskets? you curse them? perform magical rituals? how the fuck do you defend your woman and your kids you imbecile? address it
>>17078156I know you're not sentient and won't be able to grasp this post, if only because I've already explained it all and it went completely over your head. But I can go over it again just for the record:The logic that makes the Technological System a mortal threat to (You) doesn't magically stop working when you cross some line on a map. That is to say: logic is logic in China as well as Russia. If the situation deteriorates to the point where even barely sentient pieces of meat like you start having second thoughts about where it's heading, chances are the same is happening in other technologized nations. That's how globalism works. So it becomes a struggle of the techie parasites against their host populations. Current Enemy becomes a secondary concern to all the parties involved.But even if you imagine it otherwise, it still doesn't matter. Let's say your population managed to do major damage to the technological infrastructure and now stands defenseless against Current Enemy, who's been carrying on as usual. Current Enemy invades, takes over effortlessly and proceeds to do all the things the system you dismantled was already going to do. So nothing is accomplished and you remain on the cull list that you were already on. But on the bright side, you managed to dodge an AI-powered WW3 and are starving in your pod instead of gurgling bloody foam in a ditch.The only way you end up worse off is if your own Glorious Leaders actually had your best interests in mind and weren't going to oppress you and dispose of you, they were just defending you against Current Enemy! Which is what you implicitly believe because you're retarded human cattle.
>>17078168>if I stop my country's progress others will magically do the same everyone on the planet in their own countriesmagical thinking. anyway, as I said before, I'd rather prolong my existence here than having some gopnik fast forward me to the afterlife.even if, there's a small chance AI takes over, in which case we all have a chance at some life. using your "strategy" seems suicidal at best.morons like you don't last long anon. you have primitive simple thinking.
>>17078212Either a bot or severely mentally ill.
>>17078218Ok let me put it this way, you are either an idiot, either an useful idiot, because your narrative just so happens to be useful for foreigh governments who would like you to stop or nerf your technological development. I cannot take you seriously just like I cannot take trannies or commie antifa faggots who want to destroy their own countries and bring in communism.
>>17078222Everything in >>17078168 stands completely unchallenged. You WILL be brutally killed by your handlers and it will be a moral thing for them to do. They have every right to exterminated subhumans like you. :^)
>>17078224not if AI takes over at some point. enjoy your guaranteed wipe using your "strategy".anyone following you, you'd lead to their guaranteed death. many such losers throghout history.
>>17078228Everything in >>17078168 stands completely unchallenged. You WILL be brutally killed by your handlers and it will be a moral thing for them to do. They have every right to exterminate subhumans like you. :^)
>>17078229>drone repeats its programming in the hope it sticksimagine being remembered for leading your people to their doom.
>>17078232Everything in >>17078168 stands completely unchallenged. You WILL be brutally killed by your handlers and it will be a moral thing for them to do. They have every right to exterminate subhumans like you. :^)Notice how your automatonism forces you to keep replying even though you lost the argument and no one is reading your brainwashed bio-LLM slop.
>>17078233anyone with a few working neurons is laughing at your "stop the technological development" brainfart. it's gorilla retarded, like first instinct the chimp has.>tech le bad okay? grug stop techthere's no depth to your perspective, there's no longer term thinking. you think in terms of the next 15 minutes, your hardware can't do more than that, or conceive complex scenarios and methods of dealing with a problem. you are the cattle who jumps off a cliff when it gets scared. you roll yourself into a ball hold your knees and start singing when reality gets too brutal for your feeble brain, wishing it all goes away and magically solves itself, and the promised good old times come back, for some fucking reason.go ahead, repeat yourself like a mind broken drone
>>17078234Everything in >>17078168 stands completely unchallenged. You WILL be brutally killed by your handlers and it will be a moral thing for them to do. They have every right to exterminate subhumans like you. :^)Notice how your automatonism forces you to keep replying even though you lost the argument and no one is reading your brainwashed bio-LLM slop.
I broke the feeble drone
>>17078140>coming for your shit. how do you stop them?Unironically accelerate their technological development far in excess of their personal temperance, discipline and fortitiude. Build technology for them for free, to the affect of getting them to self destruct on the vacuum energy
>>17078242>if you kill your enemies they win
>>17078168>>17078168>If the situation deteriorates to the point where even barely sentient pieces of meat like you start having second thoughts about where it's heading, chances are the same is happening in other technologized nations.that's a big "if". take the braindead monkey you're arguing with for example. he undermines half of your dichotomy just by existing. by the time it gets bad enough for him to see your point, it's already too late. now what if the average chinese bugman is nothing like you and a lot like him? do you really think NPCs are distributed uniformly among the nations?>Current Enemy invades, takes over effortlessly and proceeds to do all the things the system you dismantled was already going to do. So nothing is accomplished and you remain on the cull list that you were already on. But on the bright side, you managed to dodge an AI-powered WW3 and are starving in your pod instead of gurgling bloody foam in a ditch.only valid if you're convinced the local overlords are actually going to kill you or turn your life into living hell. realistically, they'd let you live under barely tolerable conditions for a few more decades. what if the invaders aren't as "kind"?
>>17078168>I know you're not sentient>posts anywaywhat compels people to speak to furniture like this? schizophrenia?
>>17078259>by the time it gets bad enough for him to see your point, it's already too late.there is no alternative. you think like a woman. something is bad and you wish it away. "make it stop please, stop the tech developments"men face the change, adapt, and make it work. it's really as simple as. this is not something you stop. if you stop you die.and everyone wants everyone else to stop, while they won't.
>>17078259>only valid if you're convinced the local overlords are actually going to kill you or turn your life into living hellIt's gonna be one or the other. Probably the latter and then the former. If you're not convinced you better open your eyes and ears.
There is no immortality, and even if there was the method would be so inhuman and alienating that it's not worth it. The best case scenerio is that you get good exercise and don't get hooked on anything addictive so you can age well, and die at a distant age like 80 or so.
>>17078292>and die at a distant age like 80 or so.what is the purpose of living? from your perspective. why do you want to live?
>>17078294Because there are good experiences, it might not seem like it sometimes but there are simple pleasures if you seek them out.
>>17078297>there are good experiences>there are simple pleasuresokay okay. now, what if you could trade time for experience intensity? would you? I mean you would, obviously, since that's what you're arguing for, just the other way.what is your cutoff point? I mean the lowest. how much pleasure would you trade for time? for example, would you live for 200 more years but no pleasure? like legit none, just ... nothing. not pain, just...nothing, no pleasure. legit average mediocre time.what about pain? would you accept 100 years on top of the 200 for 300 total of some pain? constant pain?or just 50 for high pleasure all the time? what about 30 for peak pleasure? or maybe 15 but max mind blown constant pleasure like you wouldn't believe?
>>17078301>if you could trade time for experience intensity? would you? I mean you would, obviouslyYou realize you're a schizophrenic, right?
>>17078302you conveniently avoid my question. that is literally your line of reasoning, trade time for pleasure. you said it yourself. you said to lay off the big pleasures, so you enjoy more, but smaller pleasures. that's your line of reasoning, so you're the schizo here not me. you are trying to negociate some extra time and drop your pleasure intensity so you can experience more of smaller pleasure. that is entirely your reasoning and strategy you nutcase
>>17078303I mean you're a literal, clinical schizophrenic hearing voices.
>>17078292>The best case scenerio is that you get good exercise and don't get hooked on anything addictive so you can age well>and die at a distant age like 80 or so.>there are good experiences> there are simple pleasures if you seek them out.you got shocked when you realized you are doing the same thing, but with different priorities. you are pleb tier, scared, willing to experience shittier conditions because it is safer.seems pretty weak to me. not that you do it, we all do it in our own way. what is weak is you not owning it. you want to have your cake and eat it too. weakling
>>17078306>>17078304
>>17078306Nevermind the fact that you're brown and 80 IQ. You're literally mentally ill. Why isn't that grounds for an immediate ban? What's the point having you around?
>>17078310>What's the point having you around?make weaklings seethe? show your hipocrisy? show how low IQ you really are? have some actual high IQ takes in this dump?coming back to the subject of the thread: why are you so weak?
>>17078306Seeth
>>17078313Why shouldn't India be nuked?
>>17078319if you're white that's even worse. you're the reason shitskins event think they have a chance
>>17078328Ok but why shouldn't India be nuked?
>>17078297the "experiencing" part of life ends at 30really 21 desu, but we're being generous
>>17078336>NPCs strictly follow preprogrammed milestones
>>17078337>schizos think if you believe something to be true in your mind, even if it's not reflected at all in the world around you, that makes it true
>>17078341>NPC literally can't grasp that experiences are in the mind>he needs an external checklist and a timetable to know if he experienced something
>>17078343experiencing things in the mind that are not reflected in reality is the literal definition of mental illness
>>17078346Reminder that your handlers WILL kill you brutally when all is said and done and it will be fully moral. :^)
>>17078348solving that isn't by stopping tech developments you inbred imbecile
>>17078349>subhuman mumbles incoherentlyReminder that your handlers WILL kill you brutally when all is said and done and it will be fully moral. :^)Closing this low-IQ thread now but notice how your programming forces you to reply again.
>>17078351>Closing this low-IQ thread nowthe only thing you can close is the door when the bull ravages your wife.also notice how frightened you are by your inevitable outcome, that you find no other solution but to stop tech developments, which invites a whole other suite of issues you are also not prepared to deal with. imagine being this scared and cucked. sad
>>17078348>death is the big scary threati'll be old and invisible and well over 30 by that point so would welcome it. Unless tech can make you forever 20 there's not much life ot be lived past it
>>17078351I recently got off ip range ban. The thing i did? Called out the fresh wave of obvious ai shills on this board. It would be a joke if it werent so retarded. They need you to believe more than masks and covid.
>>17078373>/sci/ is for being anti-science
>>17078373You should get your IP ban back, permanently.
>>17078319It'd displace more indians to my country.
>>17076595Gost in the Shell era is coming
How do you think this is even possible? Your cells decay and organs start to rot, how do you stop that natural process??
>>17076595You can't have it as you are. You need to be born with genetics engineered to have a life span of several thousands of years, your blood needs to be replaced with a liquid containing nanobots, and you no longer can eat and drink regular foods.
>>17077200Someone with such limited intellect would get replaced sooner than later.
>>17077696That is some low effort fan fiction. There is far better entertainment nowadays.
>>17078387>>17078388We badly need poster ids like in /pol/ to make easy to filter out your noise.
>>17078415Break the slow degradation of the tissue niche / immune system interaction. Rest is probably managing cancer and shooting some stem cells once your original ones deteriorate. Damn, it almost sounds trivial that way.
Biological immortality is impossible and also *not desireable*I cannot even imagine being 100 years old
solved aparentlyhttps://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/10/261020085013.htm
>>17078834cuck
>>17078895What ... the stuff that comes out when I crank my centrifuge probably does that routinely ...
>>17076595Immortality is already solvedRead the Gospel of John
>>17080016I do believe he is asking for biological immortality, not the spiritual immortality that can only come from God.
Hypothetically if a cure to old age was found (no cancer, alzheimers, etc... kept perpetually ~30 or something) how quickly do you think you'd see changes in society and what would those changes be? Any unique problems that you could see cropping up?
>>17080075Extreme societal stagnation would emerge.
>>17080100How exactly? You could have Edison working on computers today, Ford still improving his cars, or von Braun improving his rockets.
>>17080116Because everyone runs out of ideas eventually and society only evolves over time when the previous generation isn't around to dominate it. It won't prevent things from changing, but the turnover from new generations outnumbering the old generations will be slow, and the old people will continue to accumulate wealth and political capital that will make it very hard for the young to matter economically and politically.
>>17078834I won't accept any less than living a 1000 yearsthat's the bare minimum or else I will make you pay, bear my words
>>17080166You'll accept a lifespan of less than 40 years because, which is what you signed up for. You'll die knowing the people killing you are going to live for hundreds of years. Maybe you'll even realize, shortly before you're killed, how every word you ever spoke in favor of technology and civilization, and every hour you ever worked for pedophile psychopaths, was a personal investment in your own extermination. :^)
>>17080117Pedophile psychopaths don't need new ideas. They're going to build a utopia based on raping children and live forever in their pedophile heaven once they wipe out the useless eaters.
>>17078782We're built up to specs, that's growing. If you extend growth - you get monstrosities and cancers.Followed by enduring. There's no strict one-to-one replacement routine, only the maintenance, that fends attacks, re-glue teared tissue... Nature never invented beyond reproductive phase, that's her eternal life.We'd have build that structure ourselves, using hardware that wasn't made for.
>>17080116the way we interact and how society is structured follows from our life cycle. you cannot expect the same thing to work out when you change elementary stuff to that degree.you also need to think what exact age will we settle on? 18 years old? 25? 45? 60? each has advantages and drawbacks. different hormones, different behavior. too wild, not too wild etc. all this averages out, and works out in a particular way. young people are foolish and reactive and hold no power, older people are wiser and ponder things more before doing something, and hold more power. there's a flow of information between them that works out in a particular way.we all 25 year old agressive impulsive twats? how will that work out? even if we'd possess the wisdom, biology has us by the balls as it were.becoming frail and getting closer to death puts thing in perspective. forces them. that's important in a society. you cannot go all chimp mode and take out crucial bits and pieces from society and expect it to work out the same, that's just stupid.not saying it cannot work out...somehow. just saying it won't work out like it does now. obviously.
>>17080327>you also need to think what exact age will we settle onYou'd likely have the youth of a 10 yo, permanently. It isn't like you need to pick an age, you wouldn't deteriorate with time. Current 18 yos would likely look aged compared to 1000 yo immortals.
>>17080462Very unlikely that they'd pick less than 25 unless they wanted to be Peter Pan, with all the mental and psychological deficiencies that implies. Mental, physical, and emotional development finally peaks at 25, and everything else afterward is physical decline, compensated for with the wisdom of lived experience.
the A.I. bubble is going to pop before it could make any majory societal changes (if it was even capable in the first place [it isn't])
>>17080545What do you expect to happen in the wake of a bubble?
>>17080551imagine the bronze age collapse but 3 times as worse
>>17080552How? What causal chain of events gets you there?
>>17080554you'll see pretty soon heh heh heh
>>17080555>I can't explain how it would happen, but I fantasize about it happening
>>17080555notice your inability to explain anything.tell you what would happen, a lot of us will upgrade our gaming rigs, that's what will happen loland as a consequance of that more 4K monitors will be sold, than ever.
>>17080541I mean you wouldn't pick an age to freeze people in, you would keep the youth of a child, permanently. But there would be all the development, just not the deterioration. So to adress your nitpicking, current 18yos could look aged, and current 90 might look immature.
>>17076595AI will unlock the ability to cure every disease, give you unlimited lifespan and free you from work.However, 53% of people will vote to only use it for survallance and generating wealth for like 3 guys because 'women's sports'. So you'll never get to use any of it.
>>17080799>give you unlimited lifespan and free you from work.yeah but not (You) doe. most likely the people who control it will free you from being alive.
>>17076595Immortality is no secret. We live in a exoteric age, not esoteric anymore.What you probably mean is the immortality of the body. That's not possible, because everything that has a beginning has an end in this ever-changing world.Wait until you figure out you're not the body, and not even the mind. Wait until you figure out you're already eternal.
>>17081682I hate that I have to agree with woowoo schizos, but not for the exact reasons they think
>>17076595>For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.John 3:16
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