>>17073546
i cant imagine being tortured like that

>>17073546
Fella looks nervous

>>17073546
Because that's biological too and subject to the same degradation as the rest of the body. You might as well throw the whole body in there before any senescence sets in.

Only real way for immortality IMO is having some super intelligent computer that can decode everything about the brain and translate it perfectly into a digital copy. And then you'd have to stick it in some robot or something I guess.

>>17073546
We just cant, okay?

>>17073546
Watch Spectral on Netflix some time, that's basically its plot

>>17073546
I'd imagine that if it was alive it would be pretty painful

Also how would you even keep this thing alive by taking it out of the human body, there has to be a period of time where it's neither in the human body or bath

>>17073593
just mix some scientific liquid that dissolves only the parts of the body that you don't want, obviously

>>17073593
>Also how would you even keep this thing alive by taking it out of the human body, there has to be a period of time where it's neither in the human body or bath
Have you seen how quickly we can dissect crabs?

>>17073546
You are free to try such an operation on yourself if you believe it possible.

>>17073571
The problem is that that hardware is still degrading and most importantly that copy is not you, it’s your copy, probably not even conscious. And when you think that you can save it through more data transfer, then that’s copy of a copy, so it’s not even the first copy. At that point you might as well call having kids immortality. The only way to immortality is by just editing the genome to allow for infinite regeneration and no ageing or cancer. It’s possible, some animals have it, unlike brain scan which will need datacenter to run and not even be you.

>>17073571
thermodynamics strikes again

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>>17073546
Immortality will be achieved when scientists discover a way to maintain cell regeneration. The question is what would happen to society when some rich people are immortal and the rest are mortal. Those rich immortal people would be like demigods, living for hundreds of years until someone kills them or die by some accident. I think the human mind isn't able to handle living so much time though.

>>17074059
Closest to the real answer, except lots and lots of different molecules are already known to help out regeneration (and also important: detoxification, senolytics, senomorphics) a bit, and plenty are fairly cheap; I'm on huge OTC cocktails of them that still cost less than groceries, many even qualify as groceries.
>protip: cycled Yamanaka factors are not the final boss, but a fairly big step.

>>17074099
I am sure it doesn't do jack shit for you lol

>>17074162
Wrong. I'm even on some RC supplements identified in this paper as mimicking Yamanaka factors:
>Reprogramming Factors Activate a Non-Canonical Oxidative Resilience Pathway That Can Rejuvenate RPEs and Restore Vision
>https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2025.08.30.673239v1.abstract

>>17074099
>and plenty are fairly cheap; I'm on huge OTC cocktails of them that still cost less than groceries, many even qualify as groceries
for example???

>>17074059
that's nonsense. immortality is when you have control over your data and ccan move between synthetic bodies, like bail out via rf and upload the data into a different available synthetic body. you travel at light speed as data between planets.
wetware is weak and nature's product. even with perfect regeneration a 50cal ends your immortality since you have zero control over your data.

>>17074229
What if someone just deletes your data?

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>>17074226
>for example???
Basic examples of stuff with fairly good mouse data of diverse anti-aging effects so far include: Apigenin, Astaxanthin, Sulforaphane, GlyNAC, Quercetin, Piperlongumine, Fisetin, Ginseng, and PQQ; in combination, they have all the above-referenced effects to some degree but only represent a tiny slice of molecules with current anti-aging evidence.
>t. eats way, way moar

>>17073546
Look up the brain gut axis.

>>17074465
You will most likely never experience in that time and place. We do not know what kind of data recovery is possible in the future. Could be lost forever, could maybe be recovered.
If we're in some kind of multiverse thing from your perspective there will be something that works out. Copying your data does seem like a pretty good excuse, IF that multiverse scenario is real.
One way we could take advantage of that would be to make a copy and also randomize an individual once in a while, like once a year, so we create the context for anyone to "win the jackpot".
This way even if you dont's can yourself you'd still have a logical entry back, through that door. From your perspective there would be an excuse in that to keep existing. No matter how low the odds, they randomized exactly you.
But you could also "die" for good and never experience again. Who knows.

>>17073546
I have no mouth and I must scream.

im so nervous

>>17073546
Your body can already last longer than your brain. See all the boomers going senile and spending the last 10-20 years shitting and pissing themselves while not recognising their spouse and children

>>17073546
Consciousness is an illusion to begin with, you never really have a meaningful connection to your past your brain just tells you it happened and that's where you get continuous consciousness from.

>>17074857
And what would be a meaningful connection to our past apart from a memory?

>>17073546
People secretly know why they are here and it would defeat the purpose and send them into a cataclysmic spin on thir fate.

>>17074855
I'm in my 40s and get hints of that occasionally. Just little tastes; why did I come into this room? What day is it? What is the name of that game I played for 100 hours last year? It's actually pretty comfy. May we all die so carefree.

>>17073546
Who says that's not where you are right now?

>>17074229
What makes you think that your brain scan running on some computer is you? If I scan your brain and don’t kill the original now there is two of you, which one is the real you? Obviously the original. By that logic every time you transfer the data from one copy to another you just die, fully die, no if or buts, only your legacy in form of your memories survives, but if you care about legacy you might as well just have kids or mentor young people, something that does not require sci fi tech.

>>17074899
Idk, my gf's grandma went senile and in the brief last sparks before her mind completely degraded she begged her daughter to just let her die

>>17073546
>awake and conscious
>can't move
>can't speak
>can't hear
>can't touch
>emotionally/chemically dead
>every single nerve signalling you're in extreme pain and freezing to death
Nightmarish existence

>>17074904
>which one is the real you? Obviously the original.
notice how you are applying chimp logic to something you never had to deal with before, it will obviously fail
>If I scan your brain and don’t kill the original
from the seed's perspective it can end up in either case, randomly, it's a coin flip. but both are you. probing both will reveal both are you.
what if I destroy your body and reassemble you again. why is that still you? what's so special about your atoms being held together? you change them anyway, so there's nothing special about your particular atoms. they can be replaced with others and it's still you.
also what's so special about the first reassembly of you and not the 2nd one?
your whole confusion comes from trying to reconcile your pov with two or more in parallel. all of them are you, on a different path. there is no real unique you, only a possible version of you. which is the one you are now experiencing. doens't mean other yous can't experience at same time. they'll just have a different experience than the one you are now having.
again, this
>Obviously the original
chimp intuition is not a scientific conclusion, it's just chimpanzee quick mafs. the clue for that is your inability to reason out the other thought experiments, why your atoms matter so much, so you'll fill in whatever is needed to keep your chimp intuition valid, you'll eventually come up with souls and spirits and magical thinking to support you chimpanzee intuition

>>17074904
>What makes you think that your brain scan running on some computer is you?
also don't believe it's possible for anyone to run in a computer, that's silly. computers are not analog hardware that brain is, they're a different (binary) model. no reason to expect yourself to run on binary hardware, that's silly

>>17074899
40 is young, may as well get checked up anon, its comfy until you are restrained on a bed in the memory care home and you don't know why and who are those people and mean nurses are injecting you with stuff you don't consent to and you have no control over anything because your descendants (whom you can't even. remember the name of) gave them legal power over you

>>17074899
Do you smoke weed?

>>17075186
Not for years now.

>>17074997
Advanced logic is just chimp logic with enough analogies, deconstructions, abstractions and math, the same way that a complex videogames is just bunch of logic gates.
>It’s a flip
It’s a flip in the tiny moment that you make the copy and you and the copy are realising which one of you is which, because what was you is just a memory to both of you so you do not have any proof which one of you is the real one. However you are now not inside of a memory, you know that what you are experiencing now is not some fabricated memory I will inject inside of your brain next week because it’s happening right now. So the you that is now is not going inside of your copy, but the copy from the future does not fully know if it is not you right now. But because we have one known and one unknown that is implied by the known, we can assume that it can be known and that known is that you are not the copy.
>You are trying to reconcile with which pov is you
That would make sense if you didn’t make a copy but instead split the brain in half and regrew the other halves.
>You too hung up on atoms
Not really, more so thinking consciousness is like a fire. You add fuel and you keep it alive, when it goes out it is dead and when you light it up again that is new fire, and you making a copy is nothing but you lighting a second fire next to the first one.
>Chimp logic is not scientific conclusion
No, but it is far more likely to be the chimp logic then no logic. If I add 456858658 and 764866744 I get 1221725402, but nobody has added this many things together and counted them all, so it could just so happen that 3 additional objects would manifest because the gods of this universe just work hard to pretend that math and logic work, the same way that if on the other side of the universe perfect copy of your Bain forms inside of some alien head your consciousness will suddenly not teleport on that planet.

>>17073546
You can, I can keep slices of mice brains in jars for months, big issue is perfusion to keep nutrients and o2 moving through tissues

>>17075553
How would you like to be kept alive like this?

>>17074555
share your full stack and reasoning behind it please
I would appreciate it

>>17075548
>It’s a flip in the tiny moment that you make the copy and you and the copy are realising which one of you is which, because what was you is just a memory to both of you so you do not have any proof which one of you is the real one.
that's simply working backwards from the result, you do understand that don't you?
if both are you, and we probe both, one will be like "wtf I splintered this is insane" and the other will be like "yeah nothing happened", thus it's a coin flip.
there is no real you. there is your path, not the real you. the "real you" is the wrong perpective. you should thing in "possible you", that's more adequate.
>chimp logic
chimp logic is supposed to be simple, not aware of broader perspective with crucial implications.
>However you are now not inside of a memory, you know that what you are experiencing now is not some fabricated memory I will inject inside of your brain next week because it’s happening right now.
you can only "be sure" about the present. everything else is in your short and long term memory, you recall it from there. you have no idea if they really happened or not, as long as they are coherent.
>copy copy copy
not sure why you insist on this, you are a copy of yourself, instantiated each planck second, most of you anyway, slowly diverging since birth.

just because your chimp brain tells you there must be some unique ID about your collection of atoms doesnt' mean that is actually real, that's why I kept saying you are using your chimp intuition and not logic. you are forcing a theory that reconciles your simple understanding of your experience, it's quite obvious. you do not know what it is, it just results from your chimp logic and you're trying to protect it by denying higher level explanations. it's quite obvious. you are sure of something without any kind of reason or proof, you "feel" it must be so because it explains your simpleton's perspective
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>>17075623
>That would make sense if you didn’t make a copy but instead split the brain in half and regrew the other halves.
that's just retarded I have no words
>Not really, more so thinking consciousness is like a fire.
oh
>You add fuel and you keep it alive
brainlet lol
>when it goes out it is dead and when you light it up again that is new fire, and you making a copy is nothing but you lighting a second fire next to the first one.
holy imbecilic take. let me guess, it will think it is you but it isn't it just has your "memories" but it's secretly not you nobody can tell yous appart but you know for reals they cannot be you lol fucking imbecile
>No, but it is far more likely to be the chimp logic then no logic.
that's the thing, your brain is melting down by me using simple logic, coming to the logical conclusions. you're the moron going into unique ID spirits and idiotic conclusions to the WRONG FUCKING ASSUMPTIONS

I said this before, whenever you arrive at dumbfuck conclusions, you are surely working with the wrong assumptions

>>17075625
>let me guess, it will think it is you but it isn't it just has your "memories" but it's secretly not you nobody can tell yous appart but you know for reals they cannot be you lol fucking imbecile
The fact that you don’t understand it tells me you are not alive. You are philosophical zombie with no consciousness or soul.
>>17075623
>you are a copy of yourself, instantiated each planck second, most of you anyway, slowly diverging since birth.
Yeah, you die every plank length and newer version replaces you. I genuinely can’t tell if you guys are trolling, retarded or you are really unconscious zombie NPCs. I could understand you saying that every time you fall asleep you die and new i stence with your memories is born but every nanosecond is completely going against what I and everyone conscious experiences.

>>17073616
Do you really think a human body is as simple as a crabs

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>>17074665
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>>17075623
Saar

>>17073546
Just pictures just probably sticks from a tree tied together to insist an old scam.

That's what I was taught at mental health when I asked alot of questions and they said the CNS is better visualised as a graphical geometry with a black bg and neon shapes that glow, not as these PC pic rel sticks invented to make you think that what you see on the skins surface is what is actually in the 3rd dimension whats inside you. The real human body is not in the 3rd dimension and you can't see through the skin it is a vichcica the skin is trying to trick you with and the veins and nervs you see ob your body arnt even whats inside it.

>>17075693
There are shadows in the body that have been there our whole lives...

Just saying. They said it to me because my questions ate em alive.

>>17075694
We have rights......... .... ....

>>17075688
You know what makes you more special than a crab?

you're not

>>17075604
Seems like it would be a mess, but if you chill a pig before killing it you can pull out its brain and get neural activity similar to being alive (and different unique fMRI signals )

That's probably what all the aliens did which solves the Fermi Paradox. What's the point of exploring space. All sensations are arbitrary anyway, there's nothing special about appreciating nature or playing sports or whatever so in itself it just makes sense to be hooked up into a machine being given permanent bliss.

>>17075961
If we get ASI soon and it will not kill us, would you do it? Would you just hook yourself in 5-10 years to infinite bliss machine. Not even VR is some videogame, just pure heroin box.

>>17076268
you cannot have infinite pleasure, brain is built around adjusting to any imaginable condition, it's what it excels at and why junkies keep chasing the dragon until they OD.
it is not natural, thus not good for you.

>>17075961
the "muh eternal bliss" weirdos are people who lack imagination. their world is so small they cannot imagine anything else but some kind of weird eternal bliss. cattle thinking. you deserve your cattle status. they are right to farm you until you die. you're useless otherwise

>>17073546
he looks kinda nervous

>>17075186
Weed in moderation prevents dementia and Alzheimers

>>17075697
As a starter we're much larger

>>17073546
Everything, especially biological creatures decay. Even if we mildly try to delay it messes things up.

Human body is finely tuned machinery and cant be fucked with to much or it breaks.

>>17078824
strongest antivax arguement

>>17073546
>immortality
>but muh thermodynamics
>but muh copy of a copy
What about pseudo-immortality? That is, not eternal but much longer than few decades, and not a perfect copy but almost (as I'm still "the same" even I forgot several things I knew and knew how to do with my body), and not perfectly embodied or conscious but well enough?

>>17073546
Technically you just need the brain, the other parts just send it signals, and you can replicate the signals yourself.

The brain needs to constantly maintain electrical balance or else it self destructs. To maintain this balance it needs a constant supply of ATP which is self genetates using Oxygen that it gets from the blood. The number one cause of death is issues with the body's blood system (cardiovascular system) because if anything cuts off the blood supply the electrical imbalance will fry the brain in a few minutes.

>>17073623
You are NOT free to do this yourself, suicide is actually illegal, and while you cannot arrest someone after they do it, you can arrest them in the process of doing it, just like you can arrest robbers before they are finished robbing, lol.

>>17073546
>some loving god apparently designed this and totally not some malevolent species of reptilian NHI guys..
lol