why is it bad for pedophiles to want to fuck 16 years olds or to talk to them but never fuck them, but all the pedo catchers and most normal people lost their virginity in their teens?wouldn't that make them child molesters?is it wrong to fuck 16 years olds or not? what's wrong about it? the brain isn't developed? then that means all normals who fucked a 16 year old are child molesters, yet they all freak out over some 30 year old loser who wants to fuck a 16 year old too. i've never understood it it just looks like hypocrisy to me, i don't get it, why do they get to fuck teenagers but nobody else does?does it make sense to you?i'm stupid so you'll have to explain it to me, because ever since i was a teenager i've been a little confused about this one.
>>85851223wish I could check up on all the girls and see how they are doing....
>>85851231the online girls too.
>>85851223im in the uk so I dont have this dilemma
>>85851252some motherfuckers brag about losing their virginity at 13 that means they fucked a 13 year old that makes them child molesters. how is that not worse than some dude looking at pictures or getting caught by some pedo catching dude for talking shit?that's worse than having the pictures, actually fucking a kid is worse than wanting to do it and never doing it. it doesn't matter what age you were you still fucked a kid because the brain wasn't fully developed, isn't that the reason its a bad thing?
>>85851223This shit is really a modern fascination. I think we can all agree that yes there is an age where wanting to have sex is a non developed child. People used to rule kingdoms and marry 16 year olds. Things'll revert. Most people by modern standards would have been considered a pedo by the 16 metric. It's a modern, social construct. It's too irrational to continue for long. I do get the mental development bit, but honestly at 16 I was happy enough and mentally developed enough to conciously decide if I wanted to fuck or not. Frankly if you're not at that age then you're a bit stunted and 18 probably isn't going to make much of a difference. You do have a point with all this, but it's just so large in the popular concious that no one really dares speak about it.
>>85851223the fact is the entire system of human ethics is created by irrational impulses, and there are very obvious logical errors in this method of classification.
>>85851305that's why laws are merely suggestions and shouldn't be followed religiously.
>>85851223it's the same reason why women freak out over income equality, but once the subject of sex equality is brought up they got into "life's not fair deal with it" mode. rules for thee not for me.
>>85851317yeah, obviously. it becomes apparent when this is true because dysfunctional legal systems get outright ignored in the face of necessity. think of things like the black markets in the soviet union and north korea. the system is on a spectrum from being well regulated to broken, but it's impossible to be perfect.the problem is that the average person operates at a very low level of impulse control and reason, so they need an external critereon to decide whether they'll take an action or not. there are many people in the world that want to punch someone because they "don't like the look of his face" and would feel no regret at all for doing so. the law mostly exists to chain up the brutes. this is why the elites are generally given some level of power above the law, but this can also be abused past the point of its usefulness.
>>85851223Anon, just look at Christian era art.The Christians made the depiction of young adults having sex a taboo - they outlawed porn. Yet you will find painting after painting of children. Say in this one a boy has the plump ass of an adult woman - while a satyr enters the scene and the mother PRETENDS to be asleep... it couldn't be more obvious anon.
Christians painted children in very questionable poses. Most of them boys (you know they don't have a cunt).Meanwhile they implemented sodomy laws, which made it illegal for young men to receive a blowjob. (letter oral became legal and you could still go to jail for fucking a woman in the ass).Again... the christians looked at these paintings and knew the boys don't have a vagina.
Lots of christian art with children and women too. Again: the biggest taboo for Christians was man age 20-29 and woman age 20-29 having sex.
Here's a boy being blind folded while naked. Ok... Cupid whatever. We can kinda assume a real child posed for this?You think the adults realized... that's kinda a bedroom scene? Being blindfolded while naked? Yeah - cupid was used as an excuse - you ever heard of "the writers thinly disguised fetish"?You can just bet this instilled some fetishes in this young boy. Yet once he entered puberty, christian women shamed him for his sexuality. If this made him submissive or whatever all the more.Just imagine all this moral hypocrisy surrounding your sexuality is a combination of blackmail and women's intrasexual competition going way too far.
The christians painted women with child satyrs.Yet christian women were the biggest prudes. Again: they asked for sodomy laws.This really tells you all you need to know about these people.
>>85851410>>85851378>>85851367>>85851360>>85851355they're just trying to depict them as squishy.
Don't let them get away with playing dumb
When you see these paintings - try to imagine yourself as the adults. The one who painted it, the one who posed with the child, the ones who looked at it in the local pub or sometimes even church.You must realize these were adults who had sex already.
>>85851494>>85851446oh i see what you're doing you're derailing the thread becuase you're afraid of the point i was making, it was making too much sense wasn't it?
>>85851515People act outraged over minor things to draw attention away from the stuff they do or support.But to talk about your post: i know when i was 14-16 i masturbated all day. Fantasized about my teacher.Not when i was 4-6.I bet sex when you are 16 is fun.
>>85851546Now sex with your teacher when you are 16 should be illegal. Because they grade your notes.Ok - when you enter a relationship with them, their grading will be biased. Obviously. And when you leave a relationship and it ends badly, that will also affect your grades.That's why that should be illegal. It's simply a mess.Otherwise - i bet sex at 16 is simply fun. Again, i just know i spend all day masturbating when i was 16. There is no reason to assume it wouldn't be fun. People who pretend otherwise are dumb. Or rather they play dumb.Just like Christians played dumb - they painted child porn and pretended it wasn't what it so very obviously is. Not teenager porn. Acting like they are one and the same... well guess why that is in their interest.
In this painting of rembrandt, the boy is estimated to be ~4 years old.That is ENTIRELY different from banging a 16 year old.There is something clearly wrong with people who refuse to admit this.And anytime people refuse to acknowledge something which should be obvious, you must ask yourself why that is in their interest.That is a far more interesting question to ask than to try to make them aware of their hypocrisy. Why is it in their interest to deny reality?
>>85851612enough out of you, chud.
At best you can make the following case:You need to draw a line somewhere, and if you aren't harsh about it, people will keep pushing that line.But... it's not THAT difficult to figure out at which age you furiously masturbated and sex would had been fun, at which ages it wouldn't. And at which age it was a greyzone - were you just started humping your pillow (too young - yet still different from the rape of ganymede). And then you look at christian era art and remind yourself that those were the biggest prudes at that time... and you notice patterns.Don't forget all these children have mothers.
>>85851223It's to do with grooming. Lots of pedophiles just want to corrupt so they instill all kinds of sexually perverse ideas into the child.
>>85851355>>85851360>>85851367>>85851378>>85851410Are you having a psychotic episode or is your iq 85?
>>85851651Imagine a society which frowns upon regular porn of adult man with adult woman.And then they paint stuff like this image right here. Will this instill fetishes?
>>85851612You are aware that different time periods had different views of sex right? You seem to believe the image of an ass is always inherently sexual. That is on you then and likely a projection of your own perversion, then you feel guilty and ashamed of it and try to project it onto others.
>>85851691Why is any of those relevant? These paintings are like 400 years old and you are for some reason obsessed with them.We are talking about modern norms and attitudes. You are probably a brown dalit or some shit.
If you can't find regular porn, because everyone is acting like a prude - but you find paintings like this one right here in public... will this change your sexuality?Now imagine the audacity in blaming people who do regular vanilla porn of adult man and adult woman with corrupting society and people's minds. Imagine they make a plethora of femdom, bdsm, bestiality ... and then they blame people with corrupting your sexuality who make adult vanilla sex.While pretending that they exclusively like missionary vanilla. Or sometimes go so far as to pretend that they at best barely tolerate that.
They painted women have sex with swans.Same people who will act outraged if you a young adult man has sex with a young adult woman.>>85851711>You are aware that different time periods had different views of sex right?But christians were always prude. I can't think of a time period were they celebrated analsex. Yet... they sure liked drawing and painting very young boys a certain way. Which do not have a vagina.
What the fuck is up with this nigger? Was he whipped as a kid for getting hard at child asses?
>>85851711>You seem to believe the image of an ass is always inherently sexual.Yes. The image of a plump naked ass is inherently sexual.Ok sure... not all nudity has to be sexual.But the more prude a society is - well eventually even showing hair can become sexual. What are we pretending?
>>85851732>But christians were always prudeYour trauma related to Christians is completelt irrelevant to this thread. I think you are having a psychotic breakdown.Christianity is not the main culture in the modern west where the idea of a 16 year old being sexual is considered wrong. Hundreds of years ago when these paintings were made it was not uncommon for a 16 year old girl to get married off to someone older.We do not care about your grievances with religion you fucking jeet.
>>85851749>Yes. The image of a plump naked ass is inherently sexual.If you actually think this I pray you are never near a naked baby in your entire life.>well eventually even showing hair can become sexual. What are we pretending?Slippery slope fallacy
>>85851750>>85851734>Was he whipped as a kid for getting hard at child asses?Here's another painting of a child satyr and a woman whipping a naked child.Why are they naked?You just know otherwise prudes will question anything to sexuality. They can get outraged if you even just flirt with a woman your age.And then suddenly they play dumb.
>>85851750>Christianity is not the main culture in the modern west where the idea of a 16 year old being sexual is considered wrong.True. The other is feminism.Well... the christians sure loved painting women being cruel towards children. And their main symbol is an almost naked man in bondage being tortured.
>>85851768>The other is feminism.And you see something eerily similar in feminism.They love kink. Many feminists are kinky. Yet: they will shame you for vanilla stuff. They will shame you for kissing. Or having a younger partner who's still an adult. They will support hardcore BDSM - yet make it nearly impossible to approach a woman. Or drag you to the HR department for having made a sexual joke. It's women's intrasexual competition going awry. They are perverts who desire sex, even perverted sex - but their intrasexual competition makes them act like unpleasant hysterical beasts who shame you for your sexuality.
>>85851829>They will support hardcore BDSM - yet make it nearly impossible to approach a woman.Do you realize to how many unpleasant women on Twitter this applies to? There's so much perversion they will have no issue with - but a young man asking a young woman out? They will act like that's the worst crime.You must truly understand just how fucked up the intrasexual competition of women is. It's like a lovecraftian nightmare, you can barely comprehend how far they take this bullshit.
>>85851867>There's so much perversion they will have no issue with - but a young man asking a young woman out? They will act like that's the worst crime.So much of history and society will make sense once you internalize this and trace it back down to woman's intrasexual competition. Yes - there's also men who support this mindset. Assume they are blackmailed. No i mean it. Assume they are blackmailed.
How to blackmail? Simple.The more strictly monogamy is culturally enforced, the harsher we are to sluts (women who'd give you a free blowjob) - the more difficult it will be for men to have more children than a single wife can provide.A broken marriage can ruin your life.Being accused of cheating with an illegitimate child can ruin your life.If you want some additional children at some point in your life (the purpose of life after all) you must agree to be blackmailed. The wife is fully in the know.Historically women were frequently part of harems, they don't mind sharing. But they will pretend otherwise because they know this gives them leverage.They use it to force men to participate in dumb retarded social games which will screw over the next generation of men. They use it to keep circumcision going.
>>85851958Imagine a relationship were your spouse is blackmailed. You know a single accusation can at ANY TIME entirely ruin their life.They kinda must do WHATEVER you want. Else you drag them to court. You can see how a bunch of women would be into that? That they'd like that over their spouse being loyal?...And then they transition your children or mutilate them. Because they are PETTY as fuck.Anytime you see the children of a very high IQ man or charismatic man or ambitious man suffer and he acts oblivious - assume they are blackmailed this way.
>>85851410>LikeComeOn. pngMy fucking sides
>>85852004There's people who act superior for not having a libido.Assume they blackmail people by tempting them with sexual perversion. That's the part which makes them feel superior.Sometimes they can deceive people into voluntarily entering these relationships. Oh... wouldn't it be kinky if you were blackmailed and be my little sex slave...? You would never be allowed to say no, and oh my i can be such a pervert at times... oh it'd make that much more excitingAnd then they mutilate your children and force you to vote a certain way.
What? Are you jealous you didn't fuck a teenager while you were a teenager? I tell ya, there's nothing quite like fucking in the throes and heat of hormone fueled lust with no worries about bills or life.
>>85852022Even funnier if you look at paintings of brothels 1600 or so.In the brothels you find the proper modest christian women.Just try to find a single painting of a medieval brothel which looks erotic.
>>85851494Anon you do realize people can create things without using references?
>>85852074Yeah of course. But most artists use references.Also: i think it's really funny to imagine that artists studied back then - and they saw naked women in their art studies. But these women were told to only pose certain ways while nude, else it'd looks too pornographic.And then these artists painted children... in the very poses the adult women were taught to avoid.
>>85851494Assume women were always like this.
>>85852086Like the way some artists painted children... you know adult woman posed naked in art studies. And you just know if they posed like some of these children did - they would had gotten in trouble for it.Because Christians are hyper-aware that there's a difference between nudity and eroticism.Once you realize what they actually did and got away with - it's almost comical. Oh and you just know the artists would had gotten in trouble for painting adult women this way. Often times did. And it's not just Christians. Feminists are just like that too. It's innate to women - this particular mental retardation. Their intrasexual competition and desire to tempt and blackmail.
Can you think of any other country were it's normal to marry a 9 year old yet it's unthinkable to approach young adult women or act sexual?You must truly understand just how fucked up women's intrasexual competition is. They like the fact that they kill sluts, because sluts give men free blowjobs.There's a reason why muslims struggle to get along with almost everyone - meanwhile feminists out of all people support them.Women's intrasexual competition truly is a joke.
>>85851223Pedophiles don't want to fuck 16 year old's. Pedophilia is an attraction to pre pubescent children. 16 year old's are sexually mature and post puberty, they are biologically adults, the fact that we arbitrarily set the age of majority to 18 doesn't change that.
Women would also take great joy out of making up a social game were they say the opposite of what they mean.Your ancestors called this the oracle of delphi. Buddhists call it yin and yang. It's a dumb social game.
yeah but the two 16 year olds are molesting each other, who do you charge for the crime? Both?
if you're too stupid to figure out why society would not want that then you probably belong in prison getting ass raped like all psychopaths
>>85852276You charge yourself with the crime of watching two teenagers fuck you fucking voueyer
>>85852276Which one is male?
>>85852282Why would society want mass migration and feminism?I kinda don't want to argue in favor of fucking teenagers - but if people are wrong about some OBVIOUS things - why would you assume they are right about other things? If they fail to see what is bad for society, why would you assume they correctly identify other issues?
The illusion of choice. They all bitch about adult man approaching adult woman.Some also bitch about gay sex.It's women intrasexual competition going awry. Major political and cultural movements are fueled by women's envy and mental retardation.
>>85852464They consider the ass of their child an asset to offer for favors. While being offended about the idea of giving ass themselves.This drives so much of religion and culture - it's outright comical.It's like: women would rather be the lady who owns and runs a brothel, than to be a lowly prostitute inside the brothel who gives ass to strangers daily.
>>85851223Because it's non conforming. Before someone comes crying about n-n-normies: yes, a thing can be bad just because it's atypical. Girls who date guys their own age turn out okay while the groomed ones turn mentally ill and struggle. Why? Because age is real and noticeable difference. Technically no one sees it,it's not something objectively slapping strangers in a face. You could be 17 and look 25,for example. But when you start dating her it's a factor and it messes her up as much as interracial dating would mess up a white girl in 1950s. We can play "i don't understand what you're talking about!!!" and argue that if she's old enough to fuck her peers she's old enough to consent to a harmfully unconventional dynamic but then don't be surprised people hate you? There are different ages of consent across US and you could legally be with a 16 years old but people in those states would still dislike you
>>85852550>turn mentally ill and struggle.Does feminism negatively affect girls?Despair among girls is raising. Suicide rate among girls is raising. That's not because they had sex at age 16.European nobility used to marry them young. It's not sex at age 16 which is wrecking their mental health.
>>85852550European aristocracy marrying women off ere 18 wasn't that uncommon. In Japan the nobility married women usually at age 15-20.Age gaps weren't that uncommon either. Though usually on the smaller side. ~5 years or so. That said: Age of consent in many european places is 14. Often times with fairly few restrictions.Don't get me wrong. I don't think it's good if teenage women have sex with 30+ year old men. I think it'd be vastly preferable if they date their own age. But that's not whats ruining society.If anything - it's a much bigger issue that men their age aren't encouraged to approach these women. (which again: is feminism nowadays. And at times it was prude christians who discouraged it too)
If you discourage 16-25 year old boys from approaching women... well then at what age will they begin dating? Once they acquired resources. Which will be around age 30.And then... do they want to invest these resources into a 30 year old slut who spend her teenage years banging older men - while they tried to be a good boy making money first?If you discourage men from approaching women their age - you almost naturally get this dumb retardation and then it becomes a generational thing.You are 16 - you see the women in your class spend time with 30 year old men. While bitching the boys in their class are immature or something.The way to break this is not bitching about men or age of consent. It's to heavily encourage sex among younger people. And for that you must get rid of retarded prudes who pretend all sex is a form of abuse.
>>85852558>>85852590I am not saying it's objectively wrong. That's why I said "just because something is atypical it can be wrong" and brang race mixing as an example. Generally, there wasn't the culture of child protection like we have today in those cultures. Children were punished harshly abd treated worse than adults. We can see it in 120 days of saddom- pedophilia was viewed as a continuation of general debauchery. In worst case,a sick desire to ruin something innocent akin wanting to fuck a nun or ruin their virgin young adult daughters (depicted in the book). Today pedophilia is viewed as something much worse than just fetishization of nuns or desire to eat shit or homosexuality or even incest. Within this background a man who intentionally targets women as young as he can get away with would be seen as a weirdo,obviously
>>85852628Women actually take sadistic joy from this. They know the 16 year old is longing. They know boys dislike it if she already sucked 20 cocks ere having sex with him. You see this in music videos.If you listen to music lyrics - they openly flaunt that she aren't a virgin anymore and shame men for wanting a virgin.The christians like this - because then disgruntled men will say... maybe we need go back to christianity. But the christians did the same shit. This is the natural outcome of discouraging young men from approaching and fucking women their age.
>>85852628I agree but I think the discouragement of boys from approaching women is more about lookism than their wealth
>>85852634There's christian era art were women sleep with black satyrs.
>>85852634There's also a bunch of adult man in drag among christian saints.
>>85852662I mean in 1950s America dating a black boy would be a net negative for a girl's mental health
>>85852664The christians have a bunch of saints which are women dressing themselves up as men. Canonized. Official.For christians nothing was as taboo as a man age 20-29 having sex with a woman age 20-29.
>>85852670Yeah, i can see that.Just making something taboo and putting a lot of shame unto it can be bad for your mental health, self-esteem, relationships, reputation...Now imagine doing that with young men having a libido. Shaming men for wanting heterosexual relationships, shaming them out of approaching women...Yeah. Just because something is frowned upon it can be bad for your mental health. That said - i think proper pedophilia is quite harmful. You will not enjoy sex ere puberty. And even after it will feel very weird and ticklish and stuff. But instead these bitches decided to shame adult men above anything else.
>>85851223In my mind its the gradient between the fucked and the fuckee. Im a whole lot smarter? More financial set? Teacher and pupil? Old and young? For the basic 30 years old youre a whole lot more developed as a 16 yo. If youre retarded you could make an argument. Well im mentally 9 or some shit. May be true but good luck xplaining. 2 16 years olds are on the same Level. No Advantage to be exploited. Unless ur rich. Them its a free for all
About all the things religious prudes could get outraged over... Bacha bazi and whatnotThey focus a lot on shaming young men for having a libido. Feminists too.Feminists will side with mass migration of muslims while shaming their young men for having a libido. You can waste weeks arguing with a dumb feminist on Twitter how it's wrong to ask your girlfriend for a daily blowjob.You get tired of arguing... one day your girlfriend will begin to just listen to that dumb bitch. Women's intrasexual competition is mental.That's why historically most societies made it legal to rape your wife. I bet they would had vastly preferred having a wife or girlfriend who enthusiastically blows you each day. But she listened to a resentful bitch pretending free sex is exploitation, because that dumb whore realized she can ask for 50$ for a blowjob.And now they took it so fucking far, they claim raising their own children is unpaid labor.
I own a book called "BIRTH STRIKE".I haven't read it yet... but that's the kinda literature feminists write. And now we have a fertility crisis.Women realize they can't get away with claiming that blowjobs or raising their own children is unpaid labor - if there's slut enthusiastically giving your free blowjobs.That's why women claim society will suffer if sex is easy to come by. It's their dumb retarded intrasexual competition.And again: that's why historically it was legal to rape your wife. Such that she can't leverage withholding sex. You will struggle to find historic socities were this wasn't the case. And i bet everyone would prefer it wasn't this way.Christians too made it legal to just rape your wife. Women thereafter mostly relied on making the fulfillment of sexual fetishes a taboo.You kinda must look at women as whores who try to drive up the price of analsex. Not all - not the sluts. And those are the women other women attack.
>>85852796What If you play nice to get a wife and then condemn her to a fucked life to get raped and never leave the house. Husband said so you. Not that billing for childcare or sex is the right way. But you got to get them a way Out.
>>85852796when i have more time i will read "BIRTH STRIKE".But i bet the title of this book is accurate. Ok. If so: that we are in a fertility crisis right now is by design.Women leverage sex. They leverage having children. Historically - people made laws preventing women from leveraging these things. That's why they made it legal to rape your wife or had arranged marriages to prevent them from depriving men till late age of a relationship. And again: everyone would vastly prefer a wife or girlfriend who enthusiastically has sex with you or is looking forward to raise your children.But women's intrasexual competition is COMICALLY asinine.
>>85852844What if women can be just as fucked up?You worry that some men will abuse that. Aren't women abusing laws right now? They realized they can leverage witholding sex and that you are not allowed to do anything against it. Ok... is it bad if people abuse and exploit laws and social norms? Do we not already have that?At least one way your society will survive and not go extinct.
>>85852844There is a house of card scene were Frank provokes a guy until he snaps and breaks his nose. Thereafter he blackmails that guy. Because it is illegal to break someone's nose (obviously).OBVIOUSLY you want it to be illegal to break someone's nose. But do you want people who realized you can EXPLOIT that? That you can provoke political enemies until someone snaps and breaks their nose? And then they are blackmailed and must hurt their own political party?Laws which are supposed to PROTECT people can be used to BLACKMAIL people.
>>85852873Women marry men with the intent to take half, there are marriage contracts. Women enjoy married life, withold sex and commit adultery. OK then divorce her. Who wants to marry when youre supposed to be on standby for sex without any say so of your own.
generally, teens shouldn't have sex because they don't know what they're getting into
>>8585290Frank is a nigger if he cant control his feelings to the point he breaks something nes nose in an argument.
"Punch up not down" - same principle.People say it's unfair if say a big youtuber speaks negatively about a small youtuber, because the big youtuber has a much bigger audience. And that makes kinda sense, right?But... then there's BRATS who use that as an excuse to harras bigger youtuber and then claim to be victims when they retaliate.And that's how it works: laws and social norms which are meant to protect people - are instead used by BRATS to harm or deprive others.Women enjoy doing this. They claim they want laws to protect them and they name some rare situations were these laws would be justified - and then they use these laws against regular men.
>>85852946>Frank is a nigger if he cant control his feelings to the point he breaks something nes nose in an argument.Yes - you can make the argument that you should just walk away or block or whatever.But you must understand the following:A person who seeks to blackmail someone this way can just keep provoking people until SOMEONE snaps. Because if you run a political party, at least ONE person there will have a bad day and lack self control. And that's all it takes.And then they can turn that person into a blackmailed mole. These laws were meant to protect - and you kinda want these laws.But these laws can be exploited. And you can blame the people who fall for it - but again, out of many people, at least SOME will fall for it.That's how scams work. Most people are too smart to fall for indian scammers. But SOME people will fall for them.
>>85852950Thats a bad thing indeed. Laws should protect the weak. But the weak have nothing but the laws to protect them. If youre influential you have a whole system to guard against something like that. If youre a nobody and have accusations to make, whos going to listen, But those who have to by law?
>>85852946>Frank is a nigger if he cant control his feelings to the point he breaks something nes nose in an argument.And that's the issue with this mindset. At least SOME will fall for it. As with ANY scam. Scams always target the weakest links in a chain.And now your political party has a bunch of moles who ruin their own country. (does it feel as if that's happening already?)And this can go so out of hand, you'd be far better off tolerating BRATS who endlessly provoke to have their noses broken.Yes... you kinda don't want that in a civilized country. But things can go so bad you have to.
>>85852977The "weak" can be massive assholes.You ever experienced the following? Someone in school hits you - right after they run to the teacher and claim you were the one who hit them?That's kinda different. But kinda not. Because there was a real chance you got in trouble for a "law" which was supposed to protect the innocent.Laws meant to protect can instead be used to hurt people. Women ALWAYS appear weak.
>>85852992nietzsche was rightthe weak are more brutish and disgusting than the strong. slave morality is the great evil
>>85852977Amber heard presented herself as a victim of domestic abuse.Initially, Johnny Depps name was ruined. He lost movies. He lost money. he lost reputation.YEARS LATER - it turned out she was the abuser. Not him....Laws which are meant to protect can instead be used to hurt people. BRATS will exploit laws.And at some point it can go so out of hand, you'd be far better off tolerating that the noses of Brats are broken for acting like dipshits who play dumb.And yes... everyone would prefer if this wasn't the case.
>>85852961Running things watertight at the least abusable level, where every eventuality is taken care of, would be fucking repressive. Lets guard against the mos obvious abuses and let the Rest be handled by a court. Having free reign to rape in a marriage vs some scams id rather have the scams.
>>85853003Yeah, kinda true.I think that mindset can also be taken too far though.
>>85853011But you do not know how bad the blackmail scams are.Ok - imagine the following: someone blackmailed a husband. Maybe he slapper her face after she endlessly provoked.And now she says... oh, you must just do this one little thing which also happens to be illegal for me.And now he's blackmailed with that one too. And then it keeps going. Until he his thoroughly blackmailed. Does it feel as if our current politics have a blackmail issue? Do you think women are innocent or unaware?
>>85853004Yeah and its on the people for prematurely passing judgement. Eventuality he got heard and evidence was used to fell a fair verdict. Lies have short legs they say.
>>85853011Women can be really depraved.Ok - blackmail can begin like this: Oh, you want a femdom relationship? Well i think it'd be far more exciting if i had a little video of you doing something emberassing. Then you'd feel a much bigger pressure to follow my commands and it'd be more genuine femdom...And then it eventually turns into something the guy never wanted. Women are fully aware that they can tempt guys. And they too can be disgusting, unreasonable perverts with sadism.
>>85853011A woman can give a guy permission to sleep with her best girlfriend.And later claim she never did and he cheated on her.That is SUPER EASY to set up.Which man would say no to have free sex with his wive's best girlfriend?Blackmail can begin much faster than you think.
>>85853018the problem is that hatred is the emotion of the ugly and the impotent. if you want to overcome the cycle, become strong and leave the masses behind. they're not worth any consideration. hate should be reserved for your equal and opposites, not your lessers.
>>85853028God help those who commit serious crimes under threat their wife exposes them for beating on her or something. In some ways it may be worse If it gets out.But i hope most lack the brain capacity to put together something like that
>>85853035>Eventuality he got heard and evidence was used to fell a fair verdict. Lies have short legs they say.But only after his life was nearly ruined. And ere it was made public - everyone assumed he was an asshole.Your ancestors made paintings of women being sirens who lure men into death.One of the easiest blackmail traps? "have sex with my best girlfriend, the thought of you banging her thoroughly gets me so excited"."he cheated on me - the thought that i'd give him permission for that is asinine."
>>85853097And you must imagine it as steps. People who end up thoroughly blackmailed don't do the most disgusting things first. They do one stupid thing after another hoping it won't get worse.Does it not fucking feel as if your country has a serious blackmail issue? Instead of assuming everyone else is dumber than you are, wouldn't it make sense to assume they are blackmailed one way or another?Blackmail can be as easy as: you have full permission to do XYZ - and later she claims she never gave him permission to do that.
What do you guys think was the intention behind sodomy laws?Young men could end up in jail for receiving a blowjob. Later this was lessened to: ok blowjobs are legal but you can still go to jail if you fucked her anally.... do you realize how easy that is to accuse a guy of? He asked me to suck his dick?You think women never realized it can be fun to lick genitals? The purpose of sodomy laws was so very obviously to have an easy way of blackmail. And you must realize that women (and some men) desire that. They desire easy ways to blackmail men.They do dumb social games to make it easier to blackmail others.
>>85853117There are politicians getting blackmailed right now for gang ties or whatever. They were fucked the moment they gave in to Immoral things someone goaded them into. But the normal general guy or gal doesnt get blackmailed. Thats who the law should be for in my opinion.
>>85853134Don't you guys think it's weird you can just easily google paintings of women making out with INFANTS....while we shame young men over EVERYTHING? Even just approaching women in public?Again: blackmail can begin as easily as: i gave him permission to have sex with my best girlfriend. later i claim to be a chaste modest woman who would never tolerate a cheating husband.The more strictly sexual norms are enforced, the easier it is to blackmail someone.
>>85851223As recently as the 1980s Samantha Fox was posing topless at age 16 for full page spreads on page 3 of The Sun newspaper. This wasn't some secret where she'd lied about her age, in fact The Sun was happy to announce she was 16 in the headlines. Nowadays most people have been browbeaten so badly that the very notion of finding a 16 year old sexually attractive (the most normal thing in the world) is some sort of perversion. Conversely, the idea of men dressed in women's lingerie putting on drag shows at the children's section of the public library is considered normal, and anyone who objects to it is considered a hateful bigot.
>>85853141You drastically under-estimate how easy it is to blackmail someone.Think about how political some people can be. With which fervor some people pursue feminism or some other political cause.All it can take is: yes you can just have sex with my best girlfriend, i'd think that be hot.... and then claiming you are a modest woman.There is nothing immoral about having sex with someone else if your spouse supports it.But your spouse can later pretend she never supported it - if she approaches it in the right way.There's a bunch of scams which rely on never leaving a written note. Just making a claim and pretending you never said that thing later. And the person who felt for the scam never did anything immoral.
Your ancestors made many painting about "Sirens" luring men into certain death.Assume this was about blackmail. Assume "Lust" which the christians condemn is really: we will tempt you to have sex HIHIHI... and later claim we never supported what you did.It is BRATS doing dumb social games.
>>85853170Sleeping with your wifes friend doesnt become moral by your wifes telling you its OK. Just do not do to others what you do not want done to yourself and youre golden. My wife who who I chose to marry wouldnt do a 180 and try to trap me with that shit. Maybe If you marry the first hooker you meet on vacation. Have a little faith. Not all women are like that. Most are meek and need protection not try to blackmail you.
Is it immoral to have sex with a co-worker when you are single? Not inherently. And if you think it is - well you are her co-worker too, no?But it absolutely is something you can get in trouble for. It does very much depend on what she says and claims.And everyone knows if in doubt, people will side with the woman.It is wrong to assume that all men who end up blackmailed were morally corrupt to begin with.There's a reason so many influential men nowadays do and support feminism far beyond what is reasonable - why say pretending that mutilating boys isn't an issue. While also pretending to support gender equality.Instead of assuming that they are dumb - it is far more reasonable to assume they were trapped and blackmailed. It is incredibly easy to blackmail someone.And the harder it is to have sex, the easier it is to blackmail someone.
>>85853234>Sleeping with your wifes friend doesnt become moral by your wifes telling you its OK.This thread is littered with women acting sexual with INFANTS and children.And you focus on having sex with another adult with permission.That's exactly what i mean: these people play dumb social games. They play stupid.
>>85853236Do you have some experience with blackmail? Im wondering If IT happened to you. I guess youre right and someone could show the one side and conpletely switch Up to fuck you. Thats evil.
>>85853234>Sleeping with your wifes friend doesnt become moral by your wifes telling you its OK.This thread here is littered with paintings of women doing stuff... which by all means is morally wrong. Certainly more wrong than consensual sex with an adult being entirely transparent about it.And this person focuses on men not being good enough morally.That's what christians do. They play dumb. They do dumb social games which entrap and blackmail men. While ignoring women committing the worst crimes.And that is modern day politics in a nutshell. That's exactly why we get more and more feminism, why everyone pretends that male genital mutilation isn't an issue. You do something which on the surface appears like it's entirely harmless - suddenly all these BRATS act like what you did was far worse than what these women do.The children on Epstein Island had mothers.
>>85853263I can write this stuff here cause i'm not blackmailed.
>>85853247Tbh i didnt read it all. Infant and adult goes back to the power gradient so its bad argument for me. Men or women. But i never had blackmail be a common thing to base laws around for me
>>85853287>Tbh i didnt read it all.As if the pictures don't draw immediate attention.These people do dumb social games to keep people entrapped and shame them for not having acted good enough (and nothing is ever good enough!)... while doing the worst things on earth.And by acting outraged over minor things you assume they must be such do-gooders that they would never do things even worse.How do you notice them? They have a talent to always focus on the wrong thing. (Which is modern day politics and culture in a nutshell)
If you ever wondered why some christians (and regular conservatives) preach as if even minor things are some of the worst things you can do...Imagine they blackmailed people. Or are in the process of blackmailing someone.... and doesn't it suddenly make sense?You can't blackmail someone without saying what they did was wrong. You must condemn their action harshly do drive them mad with guilt or fear of punishment. Maybe not them personally, but you must condemn and ostracize what they did.And if you ever spot a person acting preachy over something which by all logical means is mostly harmless...Do NOT assume they are such do-gooders that they never would do such a thing. Assume they blackmailed people.
>>85853323And today you find this among feminists.Feminists can shame men for the smallest things.Ok... well if you pretend that fucking a 16 year old is just like fucking a child - imagine a guy was blackmailed fucking a 14 year old.He knows if she can convince people that fucking a 16 year old is already on par with fucking a 6 year old... then he's in real trouble.Imagine she knows that this guy is watching her videos.Assume that's why we get ever more feminism and refuse to make male genital mutilation illegal.
>>85853305OK i took a look at the paintings again. Besodes the siren one theire not seductive imho. I forgot what we were arguing about. Im still stuck at the rape in marriage should be ok from the beginning.
>>85853365That's a good demonstration: you realize these brats can't keep getting away and that you need the legal measures to take appropriate actions.And then they pinpoint the immorality therein or some other minor thing. Police sometimes break noses - you can't have law enforcement without some people being allowed to restrain, hurt or kill others.And this can go wrong. But you don't have a functional society without these things, even if you preferred it'd work without. > Im still stuck at the rape in marriage should be okIdeally it shouldn't. Ideally you just talk about it, get her in the mood, or have a wife who enthusiastically has sex with you.But people realize they can get what they want if they deprive people of stuff they desire in a relationship. And they realize they can exploit this.And this can go so far - that your society suffers.
Women who claim they want protection against rape a relationship - could very well later turn out to be the women who support stoning sluts like they do in some religious countries.They pretend they are only after being protected - but then they will look at sluts who give out free blowjobs as competition to be taken out.>>85853365If your wife gives you permission to have sex with her best girlfriend, what is wrong about doing that?Why is it not immoral for her to make that offer, let alone later claim she never did? Why not focus on this immorality?These people seek to hurt you - while claiming all they want is to be protected.
>>85853399Id like to have a society thats like a small village. Everyone knows each other and is bound by social contract to do right. Lest they get expelled for pulling shit or accusing someone wrongly. Once you have a big enough group no ones accountable anymore.
>>85853417Permission isnt the oly Thing stopping me from having sex with someone else besides my wife. Shes the only one i want to have sex with. Id expect the Same from my wife
>>85853456>Once you have a big enough group no ones accountable anymore.That is quite true. But that can also go wrong. Just think about cults - many are small with people who intimately know each other. There is no system which can't be exploited. Some systems are better than others, but in the end it simply comes down to: you can't let people get away with playing dunmb.There's a reddit forum were people can make wishes, and other people roleplay as a cursed djinn. It is basically impossible to voice a wish in a way which someone can't "curse".
>>85853479Yeah every system can be exploited thats true. Id like to exploit the human consciousness system to be happy.
>>85853472I fully get that mentality.Now imagine you spend some years together, maybe even already have a child... and she's like: oh i watched that one thing in porn while you were at work. It happened to just look like my girlfriend Josephine. And the guy looked similar to you... i just can't get it out of my head. It made me so wet.I know it's not what we agreed upon, but the guy looked like you and he was so masculine and rough, and i know josephine also likes it rough and she's already into you and...It's kinda difficult to say no to that.
And i get everyone who doesn't want an open relationship. (though with age some people may change their mind)But i think everyone understands: if your own girlfriend begs you to fuck her best girlfriend - kinda difficult to say no.The success rate of that... idk must be like 99%? And then it's super easy for her to claim she never said that.
>>85851355why is the cherub lowkey caked up
I once heard the following story:A woman told a guy she owns a car, but it's her boyfriend who drives it. She's angry at her boyfriend. She asked him to smash that car out of revenge. She said he doesn't have to worry - it's her own car after all, he has full permission. He smashed it.She went to the police saying this guy for no reason at all destroyed her car. The claim she gave him permission is asinine. ...Was the guy stupid for doing it? Yeah. He could've reasoned himself out of it. But women can be quite convincing. Especially if they play victim of an abusive boyfriend while flirting with you .
The muslims have rules that women need 4 witnesses. Such rules came to be for reasons. But obviously then these rules can and are exploited too. Not everyone can find 4 witnesses after being victimized. Sometimes not one.Ideally you don't have people were you need such rules. But people kinda suck. More than you know. That's why we mutilate genitals.
>>85853566That's really fucked up, right? That ass - that's not the ass of a regular boy. That's the ass of an adult woman.It couldn't be any more obvious. People can look at this stuff and pretend it isn't what it is because the boy is supposed to represent cupid.
>>85853623And don't forget the woman in this painting is pretending to "sleep".She's pretending to be asleep...What they did couldn't had been more obvious. Yet they got away by playing dumb.What do teenagers do when they are caught? They play dumb.
>>85853666Tripplets 666
I cannot fully understand but I think you have an issue differentiating between developed-subhuman having relationship with a child and a former incident of two children having their first intercourse at a very young age both (which is also problematic sort of).But there is a chance you talk about the glazing happening from some (especially men) that cant stop talking about "happy endings" with grannies type shit, when they were young. There im with you that is hypocritical and concerning.
>>85853709No clue what you said. Just look at the pictures.
>>85853623Do you guys think having that painting in your house is basically an admission of guilt?Can you guys imagine a bunch of people looking at it... pretending it isn't what it is? Isn't that almost comical?
>>85852796"Birth Strike" - just opened the first page:"Just as workers have found that bargaining power comes from uniting and refusing to work - striking - women's bargaining power has increased when we have refused to produce children at the desired rate"When women have autism, instead of playing factorio or studying chemistry, they talk about having children as if it's a burden from a factory and try to find ways to screw you and your society...."In the united states, women have not yet realized the potential of our bargaining position"Well guess what: women finding their "potential in bargaining" means depriving you of sex and children.
>>85853854That book is from 2019.Does it feel as if women have autism, they write books which are about screwing over men, especially autistic men? Like here's a random page from another feminist book. You have to read every sentence 3-5 times to understand it. I think you can spot a degree of autism in there. You'd think if you are an autistic woman, it can't be that difficult to date an autistic man, right? Instead they write these books which destroy society.
>>85853854You can imagine a guy who comes home from work bitching about having to do stuff in the house, right? And even that feels rare today?Ok - women literally write books about how raising their own children is unpaid labor. And in these books they OPENLY scheme to deprive society of children to grab more power for women.Because you are a nice person, when a woman bitches about how children are labor - you imagine a stressed housewife who has to nurture 9 children struggling with time and money.You instead have to imagine an entitled brat who's power hungry. And she's PISSED that other women will give you a free blowjob or have your children.If she had power - she'd use it to prevent other women having your children. That's already what plenty of BRATS spend 16 hours per day on twitter.
>>85853885You can really read the autism in there.
>>85853623>>85851732>>85851727>>85851691>>85851612Does it all tie into the "Succubi" myth?
>>85853854Is anyone still reading that thread? On the second page she outright acknwoledges that after WW2 a single wage was sufficient to raise a family.And that right now you need two breadwinners.And she's plotting to deprive society of children to get more women into the workforce... Book is called "Birth strike".The issue isn't that women don't know. They are fully aware that say nowadays you need two breadwinners. They PREFER it this way. Because they think this makes them powerful. Does it?
>>85854084I mean to be fair: realizing these two things correlate doesn't mean she's supporting it...but she vastly prefers women not having children. And she's fully aware this went along with two people having to work to support a family.And she thinks it'd be even better if women had even LESS children... while we have a massive fertility crisis...
