I fucking HATE the fact that wrestling shows are now just generic, soulless video walls instead of having physical props. This shit sucks, no matter who does it
Wrestling used to be a proper sport
HD ruined our sport
>>21420574Even the events that had simple shit in the attitude era like a bunch of smashed cars in the entryway was more interesting than boring replaceable screens. Bash at the Beach with the beach theme is always going to be memorable
>>21421453HD is a copout. Every other tv show is in HD, and has things like bricks and metal pipes and whatnot. The screen thing is lazysafe, they think it looks professional. Oh well whatever. The attitude era is in the history books. Nothing's coming back.
>>21420567Unique sets are a waste of money. Using LED screens gives us a professional modern experience while keeping costs down
I love it personally
>>21421755>a professional modern experienceReject modernity, embrace tradition. These old sets had character and made them unique.
>>21421755That's the problem though. It's too professional. Too polished.Pro-wrestling at its best was always gritty. Smash mouth. The NWO/Attitude Era worked because pro-wrestling has always been trash tv and trash tv was en vogue (Springer, Jackass, Beavis and Butthead, etc).Cleaning up wrestling dresses it up and makes it something it's not, like putting a suit on a hobo. The end result is boringness, not respectability.Because pro-wrestling will never have respectability. It's pro-wrasslin'. It's best enjoyed because it lacks pretension.
>>21420567And yet our profits while having them outdo the old way 10x.
>>21421842This setup doesn’t generate income, so can’t generate profit.
>>21421840American are such fags, can't believe there's people still worshipping Jerry Springer and Maury Povich to this day
>>21420574
>>21421808>>21421840Neither you understand business or maximizing value for a brand. Fancy, needless, expensive sets is a huge waste of money. Our goal is to profit, not just burn money like Tony Khan. A profession clean presentation is not only cheaper, it draws more attention from lucrative investors. If you want useless wastes of money, ask AEW to help you. We are running a successful business.
>>21421842This isn't where the profits are coming from.The profits come from viewers not being the primary customers. WWE's primary customers are advertisers and streaming services. The fans are the product. WWE's business model is about providing shows that are just "good enough" to keep long term fans coming back so they can be barraged with ads. Yeah, sure, great stuff happens sometimes. But the great stuff is so those fans can justify continuing to tune in. You can't sell beef without cattle.
>>21421855Finally some sense spoken.
>>21421855The setup is far easier to ship, take down and set up, which saves us money. Not hard to understand.
>>21421840When it's polished, there's no character and character is what makes professional wrestling. Modern times killed kayfabe so the best way to work with that is to make the show an experience and lean into the absurd some. Let people pretend it's more than it is.
>>21421865>bro thinks he's on the teamYou're the product, dummy.
>NOOOOOOOOO THERE ARE NO PROPS ON THE SET HOW AM I GONNA WATCH THIS SHOW NOW AHHHHHHHHHHHHBoomers are embarrassing
>>21421869It doesn’t generate revenue though, so can’t generate profit. You’re talking cost efficiency, which is not the same as profit.
>>21421871Meant for >>21421862
>>21421862>our goalFirst off, not my goal, yours maybe>making a profitEnjoy the ride while it lasts because it'll end soon enough. Professional wrestling is a zombie currently.>we are running a successful businessWho the fuck is we?
>>21421876cook that dumbass edrone faggot
>>21421873Yeah, why bother with sets. Or performers. Or even a story.The only thing that matters is how much those producing the product profit, huh. Fuck your entertainment.
>>21421889You are literally in tears because there are no props on the set. grow up.
>>21421876Exactly right. Two different things. But also when cutting cuts creates an inferior product, don't be upset when people stop buying it.
>>21421881I own TKO stock, I am part of the company.>>21421882You'll keep coming back. Where are you gonna go? AEW? Lol. We are more successful than we ever have before, and people such as myself more intelligent than you have figured out how to take the product to new heights profit wise, which is all that matters.
>>21421890Oh cool, you're doing that zoomer way of arguing where you just say the other person is doing shit they actually aren't because you think it makes you look like you have a point when you know you fucking don't.Very nice.
>>21421898>I own TKO stock, I am part of the company.LMFAO. You're such a fucking mark.You're literally a drop in the bucket. You represent a revenue stream more than a payout buddy.
>>21421898Good morning Sandeep I hope u make the big profit from holding the TKO stockings
mfin big ass electric chair
>>21420567crazy how this would still be step up from the current set.
>>21421898This has to be a troll because this is way to on the nose. I'm not interested in either one because they both suck. I just won't go anywhere, I'll watch old matches, interviews, etc. and be content with the thought that I'm thankful to have lived when professional wrestling was peak.
>>21421903I noticed you don't post the TKO stock anymore. Could it be because you put your faith in a money mark like Tony Khan instead of joining the winning team. Sad.>>21421904You are so jealous. Lol. Enjoy losing to our third brand every week.
Reminder: cost efficiency does not equal profit. Sorry you lost.
>>21421918>I noticed you don't post the TKO stock anymore. Could it be because you put your faith in a money mark like Tony Khan instead of joining the winning team. Sad.I don't post the TKO stock because I'm not into this console war bullshit and think Tony is a billionaire dogwanker. Which is to say, I never posted it in the first place.The only modern stuff I watch is Jap shit and I long for days long past when it comes to American wrestling.
>>21421913You say that, yet you'll still be here every WWE gamethread. Who are you kidding? Get over yourself.
>>21421929literally nobody believes you lol
>>21421933Sure, if that's the cope you need to tell yourself.
mfin big ass blood drops
>>21421929Sureee. Everyone knows your an AEW cultist. Otherwise you wouldn't be so upset about the industry leader maximizing our profits.
>>21421942Cool, you're still doing that zoomer thing where you just put words in people's mouths and argue with that because you're too chicken shit to engage people on their actual positions.Again, awesome bro. Well done.
>>21420567what I hate more are the first five minutes of the show where they show half the roster as they arrive, why cant the show start with something exciting like a brawl or something.also during entrances you see the fucking camera guys in the shots way too often, that never used to happen, it's sloppy shit.
>>21420567I liked the Smackdown fist
>>21421947See you in the Smackdown gamethread.
>>21421932I literally couldn't tell you who the current champions are for any promotion because I care that little these days.
I miss the smackdown fist.I miss raw's industrial looking entrance.
>>21421948They do that for the women and brownoids to see their fashion choices.
>>21421955I don't watch American wrestling so I don't go into American wrestling gamethreads.But I'll see you in the joshi threads if you want to talk with me again that badly
>>21420567Combine that with the shitty generic AI slop music each wrestler has and their video is just their name flashing
>>21421955>>21421932Lots of people talk about wrestling online, listen to podcasts, watch YouTube commentaries, but don't give a toss about the modern product and don't bother watching it. You're a damn fool for thinking otherwise. Pro wrestling is a niche within a niche today. It is far less relevant than it was in the late 90s and it's only getting worse. Saudi billionaires that still request long dead stars are propping up the business.You're a fucking idiot that wanks your shrimp dick to Roman.
>>214219762025 is the best year WWE had in every metric so clearly not
>>21421953Man, Smackdown's really into fisting
>>21421961Sure you don't. No one believes you.>>21421976Profits > viewers. You don't seem to understand this which is why your company has never made money.
>>21421981Thanks for proving you're delusional
>>21421988>Profits > viewersAw, shrimp dick thinks he's on the team. How cute!
>>21421988>Sure you don't. No one believes you.LMAO, says the guy who, again, thinks he's on "the team" because he gets a few bucks back despite primarily being a revenue source, you can't make this shit up.
>>21421995I noticed you couldn't disprove me. Deep down you know I'm right. Sure, go ahead and felate Tony Khan, but you know he is an incompetent business man while WWE is more successful than ever before.
>>21421988First person/joshichad here - banting aside (because I gotta run), glad you're making money off our thing.WWE might be crappy wrestling but if you're putting it and its marks to work for you, more power to ya man.
>>21422005Disprove what? Your absurd claim that viewers don't matter, only profits do? Profit is generated from overseas deals with Saudi billionaires and scamming streaming services for rights to content very few people watch anymore. Anyone that isn't retarded knows that is a dying business model built on a dying reputation built off decades of quality. It can't last because that requires good content today and in the future, which isn't happening. Enjoy your slop though.
>>21421453the HD looked good in 2008 when they first introduced it. No idea why they needed to switch to screenslop
>>21422005NTA but I'm going to ask you a question, and the entire way I view you hinges on the answer.Do you actually watch this crap?If yes, you're a mark and I pity you.If no, I think it's based af that you found a way to make money off the marks and are just here protecting your bottom line. Absolute dimes gimmick.
>>21421842I'm not a mark shareholder so I don't care
>>21423176In his defense, although I had been arguing with him earlier, it occurred to me he never actually said he watches it.I mean, watching AEW or Japanese wrestling while making money off of e-drones yet defending WWE because it's his money cow is actually based as shit as far as gimmicks go.
>>21421862>our>we
>>21422125WWE has been highly profitable for over a decade and that is increasing every year.They make this money through ticket sales, cities paying them to host events, merchandising, sponsorship, streaming and global TV deals. In each area they are successful.Gonna start dying any second though lol.
>>21423289I didn't say it's dying. I said the product is shit and only makes money because of brand value built up when it was actually good. As people that remember when it was good age out, the product dies. That's very common in business. Why would a pro wrestling fan care about how much money a promotion makes? That's rah-rah corpo bootlicking.
>>21423653I'm telling you, he's onto something.We could be milking these e-cattle for all they're worth.
>>21423653>Why would a pro wrestling fan care about how much money a promotion makes?Because it contradicts the faggotposting that dicksuckers like you do all the time, that's why it matters. Because the moment they begin to question anything, they have a verifiable scoreboard to refer to that defeats your defeatist faggot tranny talking points 100 out of 100 times.which is also consequently why you HATE when profits are brought up, because using all your tranny might and pills and injections, you can't overcome basic reality. You'll never be a woman and AEW will never be profitable.
>>21423682AMEN.Likewise, people need to come to terms with the fact that McDonald's really IS better than In-n-Out and Budweiser blows your average IPA the fuck out of the water.
>>21423682holy based
>>21423692>dae my local rec league football is better than the NFL because it's smaller>being smaller means it's automatically better, because of bootlicking and HRT and whatnotthis faggy little argument is never going to work no matter how many times you push it, just embarrassing
>>21423682cooked that faggot
>>21421862Based heel shareholder
>>21423718I'm agreeing with you man. We're using the same logic.What's your fucking problem.
>>21423730you're just so sharp man, you're fooling everyoneit's not that you're too cowardly to defend yourself, it's that your act is just so witty and unique you want to see it through
>>21423737What the fuck are you talking about.You sure are defensive.
>>21423738You think you're the smartest person in the room because you made the WWE is McDonalds comparison for the 2,403,294th time and instead of just admitting it was a faggy low-effort move that you didn't have a follow-up for, you instead went with the>but I was agreeing with you broangle because you're a thin-skinned Redditor pussy who can't just argue 1v1, you always have to have some fag angle where you create space for yourself.It's really not complicated and you're not struggling to understand it, but once again, you insist on playing faggot games instead of just admitting that you can't handle the conversation that you yourself initiated.
>>21423738I'm the defensive one and not the guy responding in 43 seconds btw
>>21423747Dude, calm the fuck down.>You (to another poster): Money is a scoreboard of success. Making money reflects your superiority over the competition.>Me: Yes, this is correct. Look at these other examples of superior products.>You: *complete tranny-level meltdown*I really don't get what your fucking problem is.
>>21420567
>>21420567Its hilarious how WWE has become the most boring soulless form of entertainment in the world
>>21423752you've already been completely deconstructed and exposed in this thread and pretending it didn't happen won't make it go away. just stop being a pretentious faggot bro and come up with an actual argument you can defend.
>>21424889Dude, it's a shame your reasoning skills don't match your seething skills. You don't actually have a position, you're just looking to fight with anyone who responds to you. Including people who agree with you.I can't take you seriously at this point and I don't think anyone else can either. Cry some more about it if you'd like.
>>21421453The first two HD Raws were done with the Ruthless Aggression Era stage and it looked fucking great. Then they ruined it with the HD set.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI_FJpyf_Bkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDZJqV7qrskhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOIGkVVxjkg
