We're reading chapter 15 of Logic by William Stanley Jevons.grammarhttps://archive.org/details/frenchgrammarfor00frashttps://archive.org/details/elementsofgerman00bacorichlogichttps://archive.org/details/logic01jevorhetorichttps://archive.org/details/textbookonrhetorkell00richarithmetichttps://leathalobaidi.com/projects/kiselev/geometryhttps://elements.ratherthanpaper.com/toc/1musichttps://archive.org/details/scientificbasiso00stonuoftastronomyhttps://archive.org/details/astronomy00lockuoft
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>>545246440>>545246507Damn nigga you slow and impotent as a turf in the snow. Still on this same crap? Haven't graduated still? Sad.
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>>545246440I dont read english.FUCK OFFANGLOPHONEEveryone SPICES IN FIELD FOR ANGLOPHONEOi!!! GOVNA!!! LEARN GERMAN
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>>545246507You read it. Ai sucks. Then I'll listen.
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>>545246440https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZZKV-s82AU
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Nice thread but never forget these are the original titans. The Greeks were niggers and didn't discover anything scientific except, arguably, elements of philosophy and that was during the Renaissance. Their amazing "discoveries" are all crude and highly fraudulent interpolations.It's never ceases to baffle a rational person how students of logic are gushing about induction and deduction while failing to apply it to the original sources.It doesn't get more original than Bacon.
previous chapterschapter 1https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544054042/#544055711https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544054042/#544055828chapter 2https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544054042/#544056040https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544054042/#544056179https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544054042/#544056296chapter 3https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544054042/#544056388https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544054042/#544056518chapter 4https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544054042/#544056659https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544054042/#544056794https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544054042/#544057508https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544054042/#544057696https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544054042/#544057888https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544054042/#544057968chapter 5https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544054042/#544058112https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544054042/#544058294https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544054042/#544058411chapter 6https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544196498/#544196720https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544196498/#544196899https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544196498/#544197011https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544196498/#544197187https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544196498/#544197319chapter 7https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544196498/#544197438https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544196498/#544197559https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544196498/#544197721https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544196498/#544198388https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544196498/#544198541https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544196498/#544198860https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544196498/#544199067https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544196498/#544199184https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544196498/#544199300https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544196498/#544199486https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544196498/#544199652
previous chapters continuedchapter 8https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544313531/#544313667https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544313531/#544313750https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544313531/#544313799https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544313531/#544314071https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544313531/#544314261https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544313531/#544314313https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544313531/#544314381https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544313531/#544314449https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544313531/#544314518https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544313531/#544314623https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544313531/#544314705chapter 9https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544345643/#544345927https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544345643/#544345994https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544345643/#544346052https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544345643/#544346101https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544345643/#544346145https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544345643/#544346219https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544345643/#544346285chapter 10https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544377274/#544377792https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544377274/#544377862https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544377274/#544377919https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544377274/#544377991
previous chapters continuedchapter 11https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544619572/#544619851https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544619572/#544619898https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544619572/#544620000https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544619572/#544620034https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544619572/#544620096https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544619572/#544620149https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544619572/#544620202https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544619572/#544620245https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544619572/#544620361https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544619572/#544620404https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544619572/#544620475https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544619572/#544620539https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544619572/#544620618https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544619572/#544620662chapter 12https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544785892/#544785997https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544785892/#544786027https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544785892/#544786073chapter 13https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544894660/#544894706https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544894660/#544894739chapter 14https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544894660/#544894765https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544894660/#544894809https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544894660/#544894841https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544894660/#544894866
>>545246818>>545246850>>545247011Im only reading if you translate it in German
I like this class.
>>545247129not to mention it's not political at all. Since it's covered in the smell of the original zog fraud, I consider it hostile.It's basically the high IQ variant of MIGA.
>>545246680Yeah lets waste context on whether a fucking apple is feminine or masculine. German could be efficient, it isn't.
Dante Alighieri associated the seven liberal arts with the seven heavens:grammar: the Moonlogic: Mercuryrhetoric: Venusarithmetic: Sunmusic: Marsgeometry: Jupiterastronomy: Saturnhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sublunary_sphereThe seven heavens are also connected to the days of the week:• Lundi Monday (Day of the Moon)• Mardi Tuesday (Day of Mars)• Mercredi Wednesday (Day of Mercury)• Jeudi Thursday (Day of Jupiter)• Vendredi Friday (Day of Venus)• Saturday (Saturn's Day)• Sunday (Sun's Day)
>>545248460stfu Cletus and go back to jerking off
>>545248969For Germanic peoples, this is nonsense. Tuesday is Tyr's day, Wednesday is Wodan's day etc.
>>545249089Germanic peoples didn't even have the concept of the seven-day week until they came into contact with the Romans. They adopted the seven-day week from them.
>>545249050I'm not wrong, and you know it. You're a VPN fag, and you need your hands cut off for all of the spam you shit this board up with.
>>545246440reminder:>the catholic church does NOT allow it's members to be masons- https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19831126_declaration-masonic_en.html>an orthodox synod has condemned masonry as incompatible with a christian's faith and practice- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_attitudes_towards_Freemasonry#Eastern_Orthodoxy>the kkk does NOT accept freemasons as members, and many other protestant denominations have also condemned masonry>hitler and mussolini threw the masons in the same concentration camps as the kikes, fags and jeets- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camp_badges- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Freemasons#Nazi_Germany_and_occupied_Europe>the communists persecuted masonry- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Masonry#Soviet_Union>masonry is ILLEGAL in most muslim nations today- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Freemasons#Muslim_anti-Masonry
>>545249514The Catholics have the Jesuits, basically freemasons desu.
>>545249353total nosense.They got the 7-day week from us. Who do you think brought Greeks and Asians their knowledge? The whole Roman shit are laughable, in the spirit of this thread incredibly illogical fantasies of Italian writers.How logical do you think is it, that Germanic peoples would continue to write in Runic script if they have a Southern neighbour just a walk away, who already, ALLEGEDLY, has both a fine script and literature?>for about a thousand years?Clearly, this is nonsense. We have copper/stone age petroglyphs showing us boat tech in Scandinavia. Obviously Europe was interconnected and highly dependant on star navigation which is why they are connected to European geography. Don't preach logic while falling for badly construed, illogical semitic lies.
>>545248969Why do you care what celestial bodies a thirteenth century satirist decided to attribute to what subject?
>>545249799Yes, it's highly illogical and has nothing to do with>reality>the ancient past>our problems todayit's the aesthetics of 13-15th century and more specifically the beliefs of a select few called the humanists.
Ithaca is hell
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>>545249514>>545250250masonry is a phantom today but spread by kikes as it obscures our knowledge of them. Masonry died in the 20th century.
>>545249799The liberal education/classical education/seven liberal arts isn't just any education, it's the education of the soul, the path of initiation through the seven heavens, and it begins with the moon, grammar. Anyone who doesn't study grammar remains a profane, a sublunar, someone beneath the moon. The ancients held that everything beneath the moon is subject to change. It's the world of matter, the flesh, corruption, while everything beyond the moon is eternal. This is why the liberal education liberates by moving the mind from the mundane and into the realm of pure eternal ideas, from the realm of the contingent and into the realm of the "necessary". A very small percentage of humanity receives this education. The rest are slaves.https://sacred-texts.com/book/the-symbolism-of-freemasonry/xxvi-the-legend-of-the-winding-stairsv
>>545250656it's fine words, but empirically false.Today we have lots of scientists and academics with a high IQ and elite education yet the majority subscribe to illogical and frankly base frameworks like>holocaust>diversity>lgbt"classic" liberal logic only helps to a certain point and a high IQ person seems actually more capable of imbibing propaganda intelligible for an unremarkable person of low charactere and IQ.Explain this conundrum, preferably using logic.
>>545250942You're all over the place. Liberal education has nothing to do with a university education. And logic has nothing to do with IQ. You need to study logic.
>>545251075>And logic has nothing to do with IQ.you're going to crazy places now. Please, repeat or maybe you've mistyped?>logic has nothing to do with IQWTF!
>>545251137Brainwashed retard who hasn't read a single page of a logic book. I made these threads for your kind. Use them, instead of jerking your dick.
Neoconservatives are the most evil people in American politics.The crux of neocon ideology is Jewish supremacy and the belief that America must dominate the world. The godfather of neoconservatism Leo Strauss taught that political elites should see themselves as philosopher kings and lie to the vulgar masses of people in order to keep the masses in-check. When philosophers aren’t ruling overtly, they should rule covertly.Strauss' student Paul Wolfowitz came up with the Wolfowitz Doctrine, which called for massive military spending and preemptive invasions of foreign nations hostile to America. This doctrine was revived by neocons first with Clean Break, which called for a U.S. invasion of Iraq as early as 1999 under the name “Operation Desert Crossing," and then with Bill Kristol and Robert Kagan's Project for the New American Century, which specifically called for a “NEW PEARL HARBOR” to justify said policies. Bill and his father Irving Kristol were die-hard followers of Strauss and sought to implement his thought any way they could. The Straussian cabal is very real and has been carefully manipulating American politics from the Nixon era onward.POWER OF NIGHTMAREShttps://youtube.com/watch?v=jxBbw13Y3GcA VERY HEAVY AGENDA (PNAC + 9/11)https://www.bitchute.com/video/mbaAPILY8XmM/Neocon analysishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Oh6DmjQahohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NNEkcfxxHUWolfowitz = Jewish supremacisthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxz06SwfnlUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jlv4YRKnHcNeocons are satanichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNYidsuhaKYNeocon originshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0C157Wmm6EZionist Jew YouTuber: "Claiming Jews were behind Iraq War is 'BLOOD LIBEL.'"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUA2Sy3jAZE&t=6013s(1:40:13)>"oy vey goyim, let us lie and deceive the public and give us the oil and let us establish a rothschild bank"They aren't even making an effort to hide it anymore.Total neocon death.
>>545251239>a low IQ person is capable of understanding logichave you been to Africa or the 3rd world? They oftentimes cannot operate simple theory of mind queries or temporal considerations ("in one hour, someone will want to use this ladder").I think we found an interesting case study. You claim to be interested in knowledge and true educuation>pretty great so far!but once tasked to apply it to our most pressing issues of today you're panicking. Any theory which cannot stand the simplest of questions of test is not worth anything.Your claims are lofty>moving the mind from the mundane and into the realm of pure eternal ideas, from the realm of the contingent and into the realm of the "necessary". A very small percentage of humanity receives this education. The rest are slaves.yet you refuse what are rather primitive inquiries.This is not a good look.
>>545251493begin here, swine: >>545246818
These two books have exactly two pages per lesson, one spread per lesson. I think that's pretty neat. You can easily do one lesson per day. Both books have around 60 lessons.https://archive.org/details/germangrammarfor00balluofthttps://archive.org/details/firstyeargerman00coll
>>545252262I've studied logic and parts of the trivium/quadrivium over twenty years ago (I shall revisit it soon for historicity's sake). My pressing questions remained unanswered.You promise so much but like an illogical, religiously driven fanatic you seem incapable of handling genuinely interested questions. Instead you keep pointing to your corpus as if it would magically reveal higher truths just by worshipping them.Yet here we are, much in need of those truths but you refuse to be the custodian you said you are.
>>545252748Learn how to make a point. You babbled some scatterbrained nonsense about university and IQ. I replied that this has nothing to do with either.
>>545252964I made a point. I shall repeat three implications>how to convey logic to the uncouth?>how can logic or the trivium/quadrivium help solve problems if even the logicians are uninterested in solving problem using logic and instead default to narratives?>how can a once well-known fact, namely the biological limitations of certain groups be made logically palatable again?
>>545253106I don't give a shit, to be frank. I put some time and effort into these threads. Take it or leave it. I'm not here to debate retards like you, I'm here to school you.
SMELI TASTI GRAMMA
>>545253256>I put some time and effort into these threads.Apparently not.The point is not info dumping, we have the information at our fingertips. It's not 1990 anymore. The point is interaction.
>>545253461You have many logic books available for free, yes, and yet you haven't read a single page of any of them. I made these threads to make it easier to begin reading one of the easiest of those books for porn-damaged freaks like you. I'm not interested in your mundane off-topic discussions. It's my thread, I made the topic. Take the lessons or fuck off.
>>545253256kek cant even take mildest of critique bet you got soft hands
>>545253663For subhumans:Ad hominem: Attacking the character or alleged habits of participants does not establish that they have not read logic books or that their arguments are invalid.Non sequitur: The fact that you created the thread does not imply that other participants must accept your framing or that their contributions are irrelevant.Begging the question: You assume that your threads are useful lessons and that disagreement amounts to refusing to learn, without demonstrating either claim.False dilemma: “Take the lessons or fuck off” presents only two options: accept your instruction or leave. Participants can also critically discuss, question, or challenge the material.Appeal to authority/ownership: Being the thread creator gives you control over the topic, not logical authority over the conclusions.For humans:Ad hominem: Der Angriff auf den Charakter oder die angeblichen Gewohnheiten der Diskussionsteilnehmer beweist weder, dass sie keine Logikbücher gelesen haben, noch dass ihre Argumente ungültig sind.Non sequitur: Aus der Tatsache, dass du den Thread erstellt hast, folgt nicht, dass andere Teilnehmer deine Darstellung akzeptieren müssen oder ihre Beiträge irrelevant sind.Zirkelschluss (petitio principii): Du setzt voraus, dass deine Threads lehrreich sind und dass Widerspruch eine Weigerung zu lernen darstellt, ohne beides zu beweisen.Falsches Dilemma: „Lerne daraus oder verschwinde“ stellt nur zwei Möglichkeiten dar: deine Belehrung akzeptieren oder gehen. Dabei können Teilnehmer den Inhalt auch kritisch diskutieren, hinterfragen oder widerlegen.Berufung auf Autorität: Dass du den Thread erstellt hast, gibt dir die Kontrolle über das Thema, aber keine logische Autorität über die Schlussfolgerungen.Fazit: Keine dieser Aussagen beweist, dass deine Kritiker unwissend sind, dass deine Argumente korrekt sind oder dass ihre Beiträge zwangsläufig themenfremd sind.
>>545246440Llms have solved liberal arts
>>545253663I don't consume pornography, I'm actually appalled by it, something I try to instill in my kids. Wanna know what else they learned from me in their teens? >the limits of logic or, why we aren't living in a logical worldYou make my point by being a wonderfully ideologised internet personality who's mad at actually trying to work within the paradigm he's presenting.>you HAVE to read my religious texts or else [you're bound to be a slave] !>okay...so here's our questions>how dare you question the holy writ!Logic, like everything else, is limited by human personalities and ultimately, the wily and mysterious collective passions and goals of groups. As exemplified by OP, logic is a micro precision toolset difficult to put to use for macro problems.
>>545256548Schopenhauer to the rescue, Danke!
>>545246440>SMELL
>>545259851The real issue isn't with logic itself. It's that "learning logic" and "doing logic" are fundamentally different things. Rote memorization of foundational axioms and fallacies can help you solve carefully curated logic puzzles. But without the baseline intelligence you'll find yourself misapplying it in unfortunate ways. And without the intellectual humility to critically examine one's own biases, it becomes a trap allowing the rationalization of silly or dogmatic beliefs.Someone who is intrinsically intelligent and humble and no background in formal logic is going to outperform an arrogant fool weilding a book as a cudgel.
>>545261109I agree. Still, doing logic, as you say, is always difficult when applied to anything but equations because you can very quickly shift to a magnitude where the tool isn't really comfortable. Humans are complex creatures and everything we do, everywhere we breathe ends up being a multi layered knot of meanings, connections, dependencies, resource-nodes and more. Logic seldom works here. Add to that (((our ability))) to pretend to act in good faith.Aesthetics trump logics. Cybernetics end up in chaos.If somebody wants to teach logic to kids, show him simple coding, a much more fun, time-efficient and useful application of our mental toolset.Same with rethorics (which the renaissance humanists completely larped into existance as nobody in antiquity gave two shits about formal education), which is much harder to learn, being so multi-faceted. You assign your kids to argue on the internet.You can do WAY better today than use the old trivium/q.
