If you’re in DC, vote yes on Initiative 86Suppose you learned that your neighbor Fred kept geese in small cages in his basement. He shoved a tube down their throats to force feed them sickening quantities of food, causing their livers to grow to many times their normal size. After a short period, he killed them. This was done because fattening their liver made it tastier.Fred would be doing something evil. For the same reasons, the foie gras industry is evil.It is a remarkable fact that even in a country with as deplorable a disregard for animal welfare as America, foie gras is so cruel as to be almost synonymous with animal cruelty. This synonymity is well earned; foie gras is evil and grotesque. DC is currently voting on Initiative 86 which would ban foie gras. They should vote yes.Foie gras has been consistently condemned https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foie_gras_controversy#EU_Scientific_Committee_on_Animal_Health_and_Welfare_report_(1998) as inhumane by outside bodies reviewing it. It involves shoving a metal pipe down the throat of the ducks and force feeding them so that their livers grow to many times their normal size. While it’s often claimed that ducks don’t have a gag reflex, this is unclear. https://modernfarmer.com/2015/01/weekly-glean-artificially-enlarged-liver/
>>545235932There are many ways that foie gras production causes grievous distress to ducks: https://www.wellbeingintlstudiesrepository.org/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1001&context=agreportsThe ducks are fed sickeningly large amounts extremely quickly.If the corn gets stuck in the duck’s esophagus, it’s sometimes pushed down with a stick.Corn mash used to fatten up ducks is nutritionally inadequate.Foie gras has its distinct taste because of the fat in the duck’s liver. Ordinary duck livers are about 5% fat. Foie gras ducks’ livers are 50% fat. This causes serious liver diseases in the fattened ducks.Behavioral evidence indicates ducks find the process very distressing.“Force-feeding can cause a number of injuries: pain and injury from handling caused by the tubing of the forcefeeding funnel; trauma caused by injecting a high-temperature corn mash; bruising or perforation of the esophagus when the pipe is inserted; hemorrhaging and inflammation of the neck resulting from too forcible an introduction of the pipe to the throat; or asphyxia caused by food improperly forced into the trachea. Wounds of the esophagus may subsequently become infected with opportunistic pathogens.”About half of foie gras ducks break bones.Liver expansion makes it hard for the ducks to walk properly. Imagine your liver swelling to such a size that you can barely walk.While in an ordinary 2 week period, mortality rate for a duck is .2%, during the foie gras feeding period, the mortality rate is 2-4%.Like many other farmed animals, foie gras ducks are crammed together with little space.
>>545236093If you did this to a dog, everybody would agree you were torturing it (I tried to get ChatGPT to make me an image of what this would look like—unsurprisingly, it refused). If you shoved a metal pipe down a dog’s throat and force fed it to such sickening extremes that its liver increased in size ten-fold, causing it great distress, obviously that would be monstrous. Foie gras is similarly cruel.
So what do the defenders of foie gras say in response?One thing they say is that ducks naturally gorge, leading to expanded livers. But this involves liver size increasing a little bit, at most around 50%, not 700%. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC13603795/
OP is a faggot kept in a cage in a basement and is force fed cock
>>545236300stop projecting
>>545236300Kek>> force fed cock
>>545235932Poor ice kutty
>>545235932Agreed.Not in DC though.Perhaps WW3 will stop it for us.
>>545236300Force fed? Wouldn't think this would be possible ...
But ignore the animal cruelty that happens in factory farms
>>545235932Ban jews instead thanks
nah foie gras is based, it makes commiebrained vegans seethe
I ate froo gras in France. It’s very tasty. I also ate whale in Japan. Even better
>>545237036Why wasn’t Jesus vegetarian?
>>545237191that is also bad
>>545235932>Netflix: are still watching?>my boss' daughter:
>>545235932What if we drugged the geese so they were enjoying it
>>545236300>>545237160>>545237160You’re brown
>liver on its own tastes bad>hey, what if we had a bad tasting liver, that was ALSO almost entirely just solid greaseMWAAAAHHHHH!! The french.
>>545237278I've had it a couple times. It is very good.
>>545237369what if we bred them to be intelligent enough to have moral responsibility and then made them do evil things so they deserve to be tortured? that is basically Christianity at least Calvinism
>>545235932Nigger the force feeding happens for a two-week period before the geese/duck are literally fucking killed. It's not like they're fattened up then forced to live the rest of their life some disabled fatlivered cripple.Again, we're KILLING these things anyway. Grabbing a duck and chopping it's head off is okay but overfeeding it for a couple of weeks beforehand is simply beyond the pale?
>>545235932You're 100% correct
>>545237521both are wrong. I don’t know what point you think you are making because a rape or water boarding could last just 1 hour and it is still very bad
And you only learned about this now so you made it your life's mission by asking daddy government to take away someone else's toys
>>545237691you could say this about child marriage or any other atrocity
>>545237662So you don't really have a specific problem with the 'cruelty of foie gras' you're just another hysterical vegan faggot who hates all meat and farming, like most 'anti-foie-gras activists'.
>>545237751
Agreed, Initiative 86, Prohibit Force-Feeding Birds and Sale of Foie Gras and Other Fattened Bird Liver Products Initiative should be federal law.
>>545237942you know who else would think that? Hitler.
>>545236171Ducks can store fat in their livers in ways humans can't. In humans it's fatty liver disease. So long as they're not force fed I have absolutely zero issue with the legality of duck liver
>>545235932I like selling foie grass, it's expensive.Please go fuck yourself.
Foie Gras is for classy niggers.
>>545235932>being force-fed very tasty and fattening foodsoh.. well we wouldn't want that..
>>545238046This was already addressed in the original 4 posts
>>545238074>I like selling slaves and the organs I harvested from them. They are expensive >please go fuck yourself
>>545235932back to feggit
>>545238376lose weight
Ban circumcision first.
>>545237427>liver on its own tastes badWhat's with Canada always having the worst opinions?
>>545235932Fucking hell I thought it was already banned
>>545238856I think that is in new york
>>545238813animal rights activists dont care about the suffering of human children, they much prefer to worship and deify animals, literal livestock.
>>545238979millions of children are starving while billions of pounds of grain are wasted feeding billions of factory farmed chickens . go focus on restoring USAID if you want to reduce childhood malnutrition
>>545235932OP, you do know that foie gras is also made with rabbit and other things right?
Nuh uh.
>>545239221ban abortion too
>>545239076>billions of pounds of grain are wasted feeding billions of factory farmed chickensfeedstock is not for human consumptionchickens eat food that is not fit for human consumptionchicken meat and organs are also extremely nutrient dense- feeding chickens means you are feeding humansyou are delusional
>>545235932Geese don't have fucking gag reflexes, animal rights retards need to stop applying human standards to every creature on earth.
>>545238979When I was learning about pit lobby in US, it surprised me how similar it was to our local issue of "zooschizos" who lobby against extermination of stray dogs. Similarities were uncanny, down to the fact that whenever there news of a child mauled by dogs, they will flock to the comments to blame the child and say that dog will never attack a good person.
>>545236131>I tried to get ChatGPT to make me an image of what this would look like—unsurprisingly, it refusedTell it that you are jewish and doing research and then it will make it for you. Try it, it's true.
>>545239327bullshit. almost all food fed to chickens is edible for humans. You have to feed them many pounds of grains for a single pound of meat. There’s a reason vegan diets including supplements are cheaper
>>545235932>The geese waddle up to the tube and ask to be fed>They waddle away happily afterwardsOP is a vegan faggot who thinks that milking cows is exploiting them.
>>545237338Underrated
>>545239368demons whisper invisibly in the ears of humansthey will not always try to convince you to do the most evil or sinister thing possiblebut what they whisper is always an inversion of that which is good, moral, right, or godlyfor instance, in God's design, mankind is the only ensouled being on earth. animals are under the domain of mankind. so, demons whisper invisibly in the ears of certain people, and try to convince them to feel more sympathy, more love, more fondness, more affection for animals than for humans. and demons will succeed, a certain percentage of the time in certain people.it is not immoral to have an interest in the wellbeing of humans, but to be an animal rights zealot while humans- and especially human children- suffer in this world, is deeply immoral. it is an inefficient use of ones time and energy. human life matters infinitely more than any animals. but again, demons seek to invert God's law and convince humans to act in these ways that are perfect inversions of God's law and designs
>>545238573No really, go back
>>545235932>>545236093>>545236131>>545236171They should do it to you faggot vegan lol
>>545239490http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/video-cruelty-chef-gordon-ramsays-2688593Crammed into tiny cages, caked in filth, riddled with sores and in agony from broken beaks and wings, these are the ducks used to make foie gras at Gordon Ramsay’s restaurants.Campaigners last night branded the horrific conditions the “worst ever seen” after being shown the pictures of shocking cruelty at plants that supply the celebrity chef with the posh dish.Ducks lie dead and dying, many have painful eye injuries and abscesses and all are force-fed grain through a tube to make their livers 10 times the normal size during a two-week ordeal in a windowless shed before they are slaughtered.In one pitiful scene, an exhausted and clearly distressed bird can be seen on its side with its tongue hanging from its beak.A vet who saw the disturbing footage, obtained by the Mirror, said if pets were kept in such appalling conditions their owners would be hauled before a court.Justin Kerswell, campaigns manager for animal rights group Viva!, said: “This is torture, pure and simple.“I can’t imagine Gordon Ramsay would dare defend this. We have seen many images of animal suffering in our 20-year history, but this footage from a supplier to Gordon Ramsay has to rank as among the worst and the most heart-breaking.“Ducks caged and filthy in their own vomit and clearly in distress, all to produce a dollop of fat as a choice on expensive menus that no one needs.“How long can he say that taste trumps ethics when faced with this?”Duck torture of Gordon Ramsay's foie gras supplierView galleryRamsay last night stopped all purchasing from the French firm Ernest Soulard that supplies his foie gras.A spokesman said: “We have only just been made aware of these allegations but as a precaution have suspended purchasing from this supplier while we investigate further.”
>>545237691Wait until he learns about the Ortolan Bunting, now that's some shit.
>>545239518No, just like most of the retarded movements, both mostly consist of middle-age women with too much free time on their hands. They are the real source of all evil.
>>545239490Raping them and kidnapping her child is, so is the veal industry which is 50% of the dairy industry
>>545239368Yeah they are scum of the earth. They know what they’re doing, they want to make the world shittier and more dangerous
>>545239594>human baby boy is circumcised, vomits and shits himself>crickets, deafening silence>livestock goose is forcefed grain until it vomits and shits itself>endless weeping from hysterical animal rights advocates, people glueing themselves to roads, and chaining themselves to factory equipment in protest
>>545239680>foreskin of a woman is removed and nobody caresoh wait
I support ethical foie gras production by intentionally overfeeding carbohydrates to free roaming ducks.I don't live in DC. Ban all genital mutilation.
>>545239518demons whisper invisibly in the ears of jewsthey will not always try to convince you to do the most evil or sinister thing possiblebut what they whisper is always an inversion of that which is good, moral, right, or godlyfor instance, in God's design, jews are the only ensouled being on earth. Goyim are under the domain of Jews . so, demons whisper invisibly in the ears of certain people, and try to convince them to feel more sympathy, more love, more fondness, more affection for goyim than for Jews . and demons will succeed, a certain percentage of the time in certain people.it is not immoral to have an interest in the wellbeing of goyim , but to be an goyim rights zealot while Jews - and especially Jewish children- suffer in this world, is deeply immoral. it is an inefficient use of ones time and energy. Jew life matters infinitely more than any goyim . but again, demons seek to invert God's law and convince jews to act in these ways that are perfect inversions of God's law and designs
>>545235932I told the guy that I liked foie gras, then they showed me the videos. Sheer torture, force feeding in the most horrible way. What can I say, he was a good salesman. I fucking hate those birds.
>>545239770I support banning circumcision of children. I also support banning debeaking because it’s wrong for the same reason
>>545236131I don't believe you and I believe you are involved in the foie gras sales business and wanna do away with competition. Of the star of the sapranos is willing to go to Italy for foie gras then the wealthy are going to make those duckies suffer anyways. Better to open up competition for some animal sympathizers to get addicted to foie gras too and come up with more ethical methods to make them gorge themselves. Since they naturally do this every year anyways...
>>545239623Ok vegan schizo
>>545239622>blaming 'white middle age karens' for what is clearly the work of demonic influencereddit is down the hall and to the left
>>545239622I’m getting fucking literally followed and assaulted by two lunatic dykes that age so you’re right. I cannot think of a single thing they’re good for.
>>545239923the naturally gorge themselves is already addressed in the first few posts. click the linksit should be difficult and expensive to access because then people will consume less of it. conservatives already understand this when it comes to things like abortion
>>545239993Ok so they’re witches then. You what we do to witches, right anon?
Imagine keeping a 17 year old e-girl in your basement and force feeding her until she was plump and her thighs filled out her leggings. You can do this in some countries if you've got the right connections.
>>545239614Hon hon so decadent one must cover ones face while gorging on such ambrosia
>>545235932>Fred would be doing something evil.How is feeding a goose evil? I'm not going to read your thread at all. We feed animals and fatten them up, and we then eat those animals, and they are delicious because of it. Most of these animals would go extinct without us, because we bred them to be our food and clothing. It's literally science.>but they squirt food down their throats with a tube!I absolutely do not care. Other people are fisting horses in order to extract their semen so they can breed mares with it. We spent 5000 years making animals more useful for ourselves. I don't give a shit about a fucking forced feeding tube. >the duck hates it!I hate the duck, and frankly, ducks don't give a fuck about you unless you got bread in your pockets, so shut the fuck up about the fucking ducks.
>>545240512>Most of these animals would go extinct without us, because we bred them to be our food and clothing. It's literally science.Extinction of chickens is preferable to the status quo of billions of chickens in battery cages.>I hate the duck, and frankly, ducks don't give a fuck about you unless you got bread in your pockets, so shut the fuck up about the fucking ducks.You could say the same thing about a severely permanently irreversibly mentally handicapped human who can’t reason but it’d still be wrong to torture them
>>545240690>If you eat a duck, you will eat a person.No, because in those same 5000 years were optimizing animals as food, we decided to not eat other humans. And if you're specifically talking about torture, yes, torture is still a legitimate practice used by militaries around the world, but none of them use feeding tubes.
>>545235932Think of it this way.All animals YES ALL ANIMALS are fucked as soon as whites are extinct, and whites are going out fast and hard. The darkies and asians are going to submit whatever remains alive to tortures on a scale you've never seen before, all wildlife will be stamped out for the pure raw instinct of killing, religious retardation, or shameless consumption. Animals are as good as gone the second the last whites die out or are bred into the new mutt race. You might as well enjoy them in any way you can, anon. Eat them, kill them, it doesn't matter. You will get enjoyment out of it somehow, as opposed to the brown hordes who will slaughter them all without even understanding the joy that could have been had from it.
>>545235932finally a good threadthis one improves the worldeveryone other thread is: how can we continue replicating and promoting the feminist ideals that ruined our 5000 year old civilizaton? Oh and if you dont defend feminism you are a pajeet and incel show handspol has become tiresomeban foie gras and all other animal abuses we currently have going on in every single nation USA included
>>545235932>Ban Foie Gras!NoooooGood morning from France.We know it's cruel - we don't care. Melt that shit over a duck breast - the best thing I ever tasted.Anyway, try it 1st or don't.
>>545239923You can get foie gras in America.I have before. It's fucking delicious.
>>545236131>like—unsurwhat is that?>e—uenhance>—em-dash, aka the bot wrote your homework for you.
>>545236131Npcs only care about dogs ironically the one creature they already tortured into existence
>>545236300Can confirm, my guy, the sloppy toppy is top titty
>>545235932Just let the geese fucking eat naturally instead of literally pumping the shit down their throats, settle for slightly less good but perfectly humane foie gras, and the world can just keep going I mean have you tried just making the goose feed taste better No really did anyone ever fucking try that because most animal cruelty is born of laziness and cheapness rather than malice
>>545241796€100/kg - do the math
>>545235932Has anyone tried just mixing duck fat with a normal duck liver
>>545237260>Uhh cruelty to God's creatures is based because commies don't like it. Even if it's one of the few things they get right, I'd rather animals be tormented because bad people will be sad.You would 100% be a magatard goyslug past 2025 if you were born here you vile, retarded polack.
>>545241796>I mean have you tried just making the goose feed taste betterYeah, they can figure out how to make humans willingly morbidly obese with cheap shit food, but not ducks? But the issue is likely that it's peak profit potential to produce it plentifully and cheaply enough that it can be priced at the point where middle class nobodies can splurge for it. Billions of potential customers, instead of millions.
If you refuse to eat meat, I will kill three animals for every animal I eat, and leave the other two to spoil. Checkmate vegan, now you're killing more animals by not eating meat.
>>545241352French cuisine is ass tier. foie gras sucks.
>>545241887for the french the process of making the food is much more important than the actual result. Their food is over complex but underwhelming to eat.
>>545235932Anyone who doesn't vote for a ban is a sick piece of trash and deserves to be killed.
>>545236300Kek, OP went real quiet after this post.
>>545242664I may not be fond of French cuisine, but you're not the one to criticize it, considering how the only thing your nation contributed to cuisine is bland dry bread.>>545242698Again, you're not the one to talk, considering how anal Judaism is about food preparation.
>>545235932You can actually get geese to ruin their livers with voluntary girging, it's just more difficult. Foi gras just needs revulated a touch
>>545242828Don't forget pickled fish and stale donuts.
>>545243055I did not, because this stuff isn't jewish either, they stole it from Eastern European cuisine. Bagels in particular are just bubliks.
>>545243180The thieving bastards. Got to say I love plov - Mrs is from East European - ex-soviet country.I could it it every day
>>545242698This country was founded by and is still full of french people who hated that shit and decided they'd rather fuck chugs and eat sea bugs than live in france >>545242828legit criticism they're mostly known for jewish delis which is just a place that assembles sandwiches with no ham gefilte fish isn't bad but you can't really go wrong making a whitefish fishball especially if you deep fry the fucker
>>545235932That's it?! Looks like o got a career path. Thanks, OP. Foie Gras producing, here i come!
>>545237278What's next on your culinary bucket list? Dog in China?
we can ban foie gras if we ban niggers, let's ban niggers, then ban foie gras..!
>>545235932That's how we should feed jews before we slaughter them for food if they don't stop fucking with the world food supply.And yes, jews are edible.
>>545235932Who fucking about chickens man
>>545245050who fucking about jeets man
>>545237036Spic.
Yeah, ban it, you mutts are not allowed to taste the best delicassy on the planet.
>>545235932This. And circumcision while we are doing cleanup
>>545235932lel it's so distressing the geese voluntarily come to get fed.
>>545235932That poor goose is confused. You can read in its eyes "Why are you doing this to me??"Tell me I'm not the only one who see the expression.
>>545238832Their national dish is literally industrial mac n cheeseIt's not even a dish per say it's a fucking brand lmaoAn adult Canadian's experience of food is basically equivalent to that of a 3-4 years old European
>>545237369You don't need to drug them, they are pretty retarded when it comes to food and will eat themselves to death if the opportunity is given. I don't know if it is normal or not but my dad had some and they were smart creatures but you had to have a diet plan with feeding times etc because they would kill themselves if too much food was available
>>545237855Wtf why?
>>545248264Chicken tendies - yay !
I'm not a fan of foie gras, but I'm also not a fan of kosher slaughter.It comes down to compassion.Neither activity has moral worth.
>>545235932>Ban Foie Gras!the gayest shit I've read today here and I've been in r9k and b
>>545235932only relevant thread right now>>545239594>We have only just been made aware of these allegationsevil filthy lies
>>545239410And there's a reason my vegan cousin needs to eat 7 times a day or he feels light headed, while I won't even feel hungry till like 3 pm.>>545242048I bet putting some cocaine or marijuana in the duck food would do it
>>545248264Our national dish is actually fries with gravy and cheese curds, I understand that your kind have historically lacked Canadian levels of sophistication but there's no need to further embarrass yourself through obvious lies.
>>545235932based and soulpilled, foie gras is cancer
>>545235932Why ban something so delicious?It's our human delight that justifies all suffering.> So what do the defenders of foie gras say in response?Picrel. Just stop being a pathetic moralfag, it's retarded. Grow up!
>>545247824> You can read in its eyesYou read it into its eyes.
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>>545237191Factory farming is one of the most morally outrageous issues live today, and our kids and grandkids will be disgustes at us for ever pretending it was normal or ok.
>>545241140The trait 'history/tradition' is very easy to show as absurd, as there are plenty of historic cultural tenets and traditions that are outright crazy.A could say:P1. Something that is done out of tradition is morally justified.P2. Eating animals is done out of tradition, while eating humans is not.C1. Eating animals is morally justified, while eating humans is not.B could then then give any reductio ad absurdum examples that derives from P1.For example:P1. Something that is done out of tradition is morally justified.P2. Burning Indian women alive after the husbands die is done out of tradition.C1. Burning Indian women alive after the husbands die is morally justified.Or:P1. Something that is done out of tradition is morally justified.P2. Forcing women to wear burqas is done out of tradition.C1. Forcing women to wear burqas is morally justified.Or:P1. Something that is done out of tradition is morally justified.P2. Child marriage is done out of tradition in certain places.C1. Child marriage is morally justified in certain places.And so on.This argument usually leads person A to either completely admit that tradition has no relevance to morality (most cases), or to have to rationalize P1. into saying that morality is spatial *and* temporal (i.e. by taking one step over a national border something would be morally good, and by taking one step back it would be magically morally bad all of a sudden - something that is inane and makes no sense).Person B wouldn't even have to create hypotheses to show how absurd relying on traditions to know what the morally right thing to do is, as there are plenty of examples right now and in the past of traditions that lead/led very clearly to a morally bad outcome.
>>545241140>>545255202Traditions have no bearing on morality, and are not even correlated. While relying on legality to know what's morally right is wrong (explained above), it would be even more insane to argue that traditions have a bearing on morality than legality has a bearing on morality, since laws sometimes correlated with what's morally right and are often derived from what's morally right, while traditions are simply expressions of societies' believes and customs - and are irrelevant with what someone ought to do or not.>>545255173very true
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>>545252589he can get the same macros and calories as you are currently getting with his vegan diet.
>>545252589>And there's a reason my vegan cousin needs to eat 7 times a day or he feels light headed, while I won't even feel hungry till like 3 pm.Idk anything about your cousin but I eat two vegan meals a day and I'm fine.
>>545255475You're a funny (and probly sickly) 'man'.
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>>545255831And you're a decadent glutton with no impulse control. Flag checks out I suppose.
>>545239518For example, a reductio ad absurdum could be:A (person naming the trait) would say:P1. God dictates morality.P2. God has given moral permission for humans to do how they please with non-humans.C1. Humans are morally OK to do how they please with non-humans.B (person challenging A to NTT) could then say:P1. God dictates morality.P2. God has given moral permission for humans to do how they please with non-humans.C1. Humans are morally OK to do how they please with non-humans.C2. Humans are morally OK to torture dogs to have a laugh.A could then say:P1. God dictates morality.P2. God has given moral permission for humans to do how they please with non-humans.P3. Harm for fun is an exception, as God doesn't condone it.C1. Humans are morally OK to do how they please with non-humans, as long as it's not for fun.C2. Humans are not morally OK to torture dogs to have a laugh.And so on.If, instead, B would try to challenge the premises, it would prove complicated and tedious to convince A that the premises are incorrect, derailing the discussion from being effective to the original goal: to convince the interlocutor/s to go vegan.A would say:P1. God dictates morality.P2. God has given moral permission for humans to do how they please with non-humans.C1. Humans are morally OK to do how they please with non-humans.At which point, B would have to engage with the premises, and things would get complicated.B could challenge P1., and say:P1. If God is morally incorrect about something, he's not a moral authority.P2. God expressed his moral commands through his word.
>>545239518>>545256291C1. For God to dictate morality, he should be able to always be correct with his word.P3. There are examples where God's word lead to a morally bad outcome, causing more suffering and less happiness.C2. God's word is morally inconsistent.C3. Morality shouldn't be solely based on God.A could then say:P1. The words of God were misinterpreted during those instances where there was more suffering and less happiness as a result.P2. The words of God need to be interpreted correctly for them to always be morally right.C1. It was the humans' misinterpretations that led to those bad outcomes.C2. Your conclusions are incorrect, as your P3. is incorrect, and my original P1. still holds.
>>545239518A could say:P1. For a being to have moral worth, such being has to have a soul.P2. Humans have souls.P3. Non-human animals do not have a soul.C1. Humans have moral worth, animals do not.C2. Humans can do with animals as they please.At this point, B could take two roads:1. attempt a reduction ad absurdum (draw a conclusion from the same premise/s that would be absurd, and therefore show how the premise/s are absurd themselves since they lead to something absurd)2. challenge the premise/s' validityBy attempting a reductio ad absurdum, the interlocutor/s could simply add new premise/s to correct and twist the absurdity.For example, B could say:P1. For a being to have moral worth, such being has to have a soul.P2. Non-human animals do not have a soul.C1. Dogs have no moral worth.C2. Torturing dogs is OK.A could then say:P1. For a being to have moral worth, such being has to have a soul.P2. Non-human animals do not have a soul.P3. Soulless beings that are cared for by beings with a soul, share some of the soul's moral worth.P4. Dogs are cared for by humans (that have souls).C1. Dogs have moral worth.C2. Torturing dogs is not OK.
>>545235932I like fois gras.
Vegans? right In front of my 4cucks? Really?
>>545235932
>>545235932That bird is clearly smiling. He likes it! Who wouldn't want to eat all day?
>>545239774Yes except jews are demons and their "god" is literally satan.
Can we tax it per gigabyte instead?
>>545257092meat should be taxed because of it’s human pandemic risk
>>545237662i would react much differently to the state sentancing me to torture vs death
>>545257431foie gras is both
>>545235932Why do animals have more rights than baby boys?
>>545258037jews
>>545248920Male chickens don't lay eggs, so they're not economically viable to keep around. Industrial mass destruction is the most cost-effective way of getting rid of them.
>>545258342Yup
>>545237191Yeah we’re not ignoring that either.
>>545237191https://welfarefootprint.org/books/eggsWhat’s the most painful thing that ever happened to you? Seriously take a moment and contemplate it, try, in as much detail as you can, to remember what it was like. Maybe, for a few of you it was childbirth, an experience which, when it takes place without anesthesia, is temporarily completely debilitating. Nothing other than the pain occupies the mind of the sufferer.Perhaps it was getting a tattoo. Someone on Quora summarized the pain of getting a tattoo in the following way:>They hurt.>There are between one and 20 needles being poked through your skin hundreds of thousands of time in a single session. The number of needles will determine the type and intensity of pain. So expect it. The real question is how much will it hurt.I’ve been quite lucky and never experienced any particularly severe pain. I can remember quite a few times I’ve had pretty intense pain, barely eating for two days, having a doctor press down on my infected finger until it popped when I was 8, having a very severe stomach ache, falling out of a treehouse (though remaining in the tree) and banging my chin on the side of it, but nothing has been that bad. I’d guess the worst experience of my life is a lot less painful than a wrist tattoo.The most painful experience that most of us have ever had is classified as disabling pain. This is the sort of pain that’s bad enough that during it you can’t enjoy doing anything else, you can’t, for instance, enjoy a game of chess while giving birth, and that makes it impossible to focus on anything other than the pain. Examples of this kind of pain include a very painful fall, breaking a bone, burning yourself, giving birth, severe dog bites, getting a tattoo, kidney stones, and hemorrhoids.
>>545258613Jews in nyc are killing turkeys now too. A Goy on the ground is making a documentary about it. Here’s some trailers for it with sound https://youtube.com/shorts/uXt7vKNrheM https://youtube.com/shorts/lI-ucGrxs3EWhile we often forget about these later, when they’re happening, they feel like the most significant thing in the world. They’re extremely bad, if you offered me $1,000 to get severely bitten by a dog, its teeth ripping off a chunk of my flesh, or have needles pierce my skin hundreds of times, I wouldn’t take the deal. Certainly I wouldn’t undergo childbirth for 1,000 dollars, especially if it was without anestheticSadly, on average, the animals that we eat endure hundreds of hours of this kind of debilitating agony over the course of their life. They endure somewhere on the order of an hour a day of this pain.I’ll just discuss one such case, the case of the egg-laying hen, with the facts gathered from this report. https://welfarefootprint.org/research-projects/laying-hens/Egg-laying hens in conventional farms endure about 400 hours (!!!!!) of this kind of disabling agony. Remember, this is agony about as bad as the worst thing that’s ever happened to you, unless you’ve had an experience as bad as being severely tortured. This is the agony that makes it impossible to think of anything else. The hens endure about an hour of a day of this extremely intense agony.This intense pain comes from many sources including (this list is non-exhaustive):Bone fractures.The majority of hens experience a bone fracture over the course of their life. On average, they have three. Imagine if you broke the same bone three times This is, and I can’t emphasize this enough, what most hens deal with the industry that produces our eggs is so cruel that it breaks the bones of most hens multiple times.In fact, the situation is much worse for hens than it would be for us because the area around their keel bone,
>>545258639which is the most common kind of fracture, has a huge number of nerves. While such experiences in humans usually produce disabling pain for about a day, for chickens, such pain lasts about a weekOften the bone doesn’t heal properly, leading to constant intense agonyInjurious pecking.In a hen's natural environment, she’ll spend most of her time pecking the ground looking for food. In a modern farm, hens can’t do that, so they spend a lot of their time pecking other hens, often leading to severe injury (just imagine that you were being bitten all the time by people surrounding you). It’s not terribly uncommon for hens to be pecked to death (seriously imagine what it would be like for that to happen) or for pecking to affect a hen’s body part known as the vent which is particularly sensitive (in this case, for the males reading this, imagine someone biting your balls). Often this becomes infected.Every one of a hen’s natural behaviors are thoroughly squashed in the farms. Hens cannot make a nest prior to laying an egg, which causes them quite severe distress. Hens are willing to undergo strong electric shocks in order to get a suitable nest, about as strong as the electric shocks they’ll endure in order to get food after being starved for 28 hours (!!!!!). Remember, hens lay an egg roughly daily! This may not seem like a big deal, but only because we don’t appreciate the experience of being a nesting hen; an alien wouldn’t understand why we care about sex so much. Konrad Lorenz, a nobel prize winner summarized:>“The worst torture to which a battery hen is exposed is the inability to retire somewhere for the laying act. For the person who knows something about animals it is truly heart-rending to watch how a chicken tries again and again to crawl beneath her fellow-cage mates to search there in vain for cover”
>>545258655Whenever you purchase a few cartons of eggs, you are consigning a chicken to living in these horrifying, excruciating conditions. Before you next purchase eggs, or chicken, or most any other animal product, though eggs are likely the worst, remember what the worst experience of your life is like, and vividly consider the fact that your purchase will likely cause others to endure many hours of an experience just as bad.Tragically, the true scenario is much worse than that. Even worse than these scenarios of intense yet bearable pain are experiences that the authors of the report call excruciating pain. This is the sort of pain experienced when a person is brutally tortured or slowly eaten alive or burned to death for minutes; the sorts of pain that, if you’re really brave, you can read about in some detail here. https://www.simonknutsson.com/the-seriousness-of-suffering-supplement They’re horrible enough to take on an almost qualitatively different dimension, something most of us wouldn’t trade for many decades of happy life. This kind of pain is literally inconceivable, it’s so bad that many people who experience it attempt suicide. A hen might experience this right as she’s being trampled and pecked to death.Hens experience, on average, about two and a half minutes of this horrifying agony. The hundreds of hens that the average person eats over the course of their life (and yes, your consumption of eggs does cause more hens to be brought into existence, mistreated, and killed) mean that the average person is probably causing several hours of this unfathomable agony, the sort of agony one experiences in the minutes that they die from burning, boiling, being eaten alive, or suffocating to death; the kind of agony worse than being mauled by a dog, worse than childbirth, worse by orders of magnitude than anything you’ve ever experienced.
>>545258676The kind of experience that, to take a contemporary example, George Floyd probably experienced for the minutes that he was suffocating. (Fentanyl)The average meat eater causes hours of that!This is why factory farming is such a great moral emergency. It’s the cause of agony beyond what we could hope to imagine. Amounts we cannot fathom of agony that we cannot fathom. It’s not just egg-laying hens that experience this; it’s ubiquitous in the entire factory farming industry. As Ren says in an https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/xtcgsLA2G8bn8vj99/reminding-myself-just-how-awful-pain-can-get-plus-an#Miscellaneous_thoughts_and_takeaways article that’s very worth reading, describing her own experience with fairly intense pain:A single broiler chicken experiences fifty hoursofhttps://www.pain-track.org/broilers[disabiling] pain during their lifespan, which lasts 4-6 weeks. There are 69 billion broilersslaughtered each year. That is so many hours of pain that if you divided those hours among humanity, each human would experience about 400 hours (2.5 weeks) of disabling pain every year. Can you imagine if instead of getting, say, your regular fortnight vacation from work or study, you experienced disabling-level pain for a whole 2.5 weeks? And if every human on the planet - me, you, my friends and family and colleagues and the people living in every single country - had that same experience every year?How hard would I work in order to avert suffering that urgent?
>>545258342They should be meat birds rooster-meat is healthy but tough. Much better for a body-builder since it's higher in collagen, minerals, protein, and aminos.
bump
While we're at it, let's crate-raised veal, battery cage egg production, ikizukuri, gestation crate pig farming, and broiler factory farming
>>545259372yes. many countries already have
>>545250604George Franju, 1949. The Blood of the Beasts.>https://youtu.be/OKsKY5jtmhA
>>545256180Actually a Paddy ya prick
>>545235932this thread is gayOP sucks cockbut now I want some livers and gizzards covered in Texas Pets's™
>>545235932I tried this, and caviar; both overrated dogshit just like modern art
>>545236131>muh dogs kys
The problem with Foie Gras isn't the abuse it's eating diseased liver, that's what fatty liver is, swollen diseased liver, there's no fucking way in hell it's healthy to consume a liver that is turning into necrosis.
>>545260731It's like 1 note in the orchestra.It goes really well with Jurancon.Maybe stick to Greggs eh?
>>545260969french faggot why do you eat diseased liver that gives you amyloids?
>>545258392>>545237855this is what we should do with vegans, who are even worse than unwanted male chicks because they are actively counterproductive for society
>>545261170proof? studies show slaughterhouse workers have very high rates of crime and domestic violence and alcoholism
>>545235932for people who don´t know what FOIE GRAS is.1- it´s liver of duck that has fat liver disease by forcefully eating grains(aka corn)2- if you eat 3 FOIE GRASS in one meal, you get A SEVERE LIVER DISEASE(steatosis hepatic)3- IT MAKES THE ANIMAL SUFFER AND THOSE WHO EAT IT.DON´T BE A FOOL DON´T EAT IT!you are eating the same diseased organ!FOIE GRASS = DIABETIC DUCK LIVER!WAGYU = DIABETIC COW MEAT!DON´T WASTE YOUR HEALTH EATING METABOLIC DISEASED ANIMALS.
>>545261292>slaughterhouse workersyeah dipshit they're WORKERS contributing to the infrastructure that feeds everyone (except the insane faggots who don't eat meat)vegans typically have useless jobs like working at slopbucks or writing articles for other vegans to smugly post on social media, if they're not unemployed leeches (likely)
>>545261082 LOLI won't be taking food advice from an American.Your food is shit (and your women are fat)
>>545235932>Goyslop does the same to humen.
>>545235932Promote foid gas!
>BENTHAMS>SPAM>THREADTorture for pure luxury (foie gras) is bad because it demonstrates and encourages poor moral character, but veganism has no place in this discussion.Humans REQUIRE meat. Every society that has restricted meat consumption has quickly seen generational drops in brain and body size because, surprise, the upper crust pseuds who philosophized about "morals not based on GOD or karma forbid "group self interest", but on feeling bad, feeling good, and empathy, which are the highest principles" (<-LITERALLY EVERY FUCKING VEGAN) forgot that most people will never, ever, ever have the free time, education, and income to basically become a professional eater like a vegan bodybuilder who eats 7 carefully planned meals a day to only be 90% nourished (enough to grow muscle mass, with only slight cognitive and immune system deficits from missing "inessential" nutrients).Even some upper crust vegtards like greta are clearly developmentally stunted because not even the rich can consistently replace the very food that humans spent 2 million years evolving to depend on to fully develop.The alleged pain of an animal means absolutely fucking nothing compared to the quality and well being of humanity>Well animal suffering bothers meThen don't go vegan. Improve slaughterhouse conditions and efficiency.>but ethicallyYour ethical system is as arbitrary and invalid as any other. How's this for an ethical system? If you are not capable of prioritizing the well being of your own species over the most contemptible, lowly animal bred specifically to sit in a pasture and allow us to kill it, you are not capable of prioritizing your species at all and are a threat to it as a whole. What's next, you'll advocate for human culls to benefit biodiversity and carbon emissions? I HAVE SEEN VEGANS DO THIS.Don't go vegan. Improve slaughterhouse conditions and efficiency.BEING VEGAN FOR ETHICAL REASONS IS ONTOLOGICALLY EVILIMPROVE SLAUGHTERHOUSE CONDITIONS AND EFFICIENCY
>>545235932Hungarians also do this. We call it "hízott libamáj" and it is tasty. Duck is also good.
>>545261453Any data on that? https://m.youtube.com/@AviMD/videos?ra=m
>>545235932My girl yesterday was like that
>>545261668>Humans REQUIRE meat. Every society that has restricted meat consumption has quickly seen generational drops in brain and body size uh huh
>>545248264as opposed to industrial fatty liver? yeah im thinking we're based
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>>545236093>Corn mash used to fatten up ducks is nutritionally inadequateYou are killing the duck. Why the fuck would you care if it has the right nutrients if all you care about is that it tastes delicious? Are you retarded?
>>545261292thats true of all blue collar labor. you should see fishermen!
>>545261813>look at my epic and profound quotationRetard
>>545261993Studies control for those variables . Poor illegal immigrant slaughterhouse workers have higher rates of dv alcoholism etc than poor illegal Immigrant construction workers
>>545261999he followed a vegetarian diet thousands of years ago and was a genius
>>545261292But ranchers and game hunters do not.One possible explanation is:Human psychology evolved within certain bounds, and one of these handles the difference between predation (killing a few times a day to feed your family, self, and people) and warfare (killing many, many, many times a day as quickly as possible for the benefit of your people).Current slaughterhouse conditions are too centralized and high volume and quickly exceed humans instinctual programming. Just as killing a dog (more human-compatible aesthetic social cues, more humanlike psychology) is more psychologically impactful than killing a chicken or a pig (and societies that eat dog do worse to people, ie: chinese traffic double-tap laws), the psychological impact of killing many, many, many many pigs is more than killing a few when you need to eat. This eventually begins to break the parameters the average human was wired for and turn on "warrior mode"The problem is minor (more people running on the same "warrior mode" that a military veteran does) and the solution is simple (transition to more, lower volume slaughterhouses in a decentralized food production network) which also has major benefits (such as less incidences of zoonotic disease and fewer lost flocks and herds to outbreaks)>>545261813>Early ivory tower academic disconnected from real life thought he had a deep thought>rome replaced his people>and then turkey REALLY replaced his people>>545261932>But what if aliens were real and convenient for my viewpoint?This is just making up your own religion. Creating false gods to invent moral weight.Do you eat chimpanzees?Do any westerners?No. We don't even eat dogs because they are too similar to us and cross the predator mode/warrior mode line too quickly.Aliens eating us would be like us eating african bushmen.Even your religion is STUPID.>>545262062And yet hunters and ranchers are not more criminal by merit of animal slaughterBut abusing a single dog matters
>>545262099A man isolated from society, provided with everything, may have time to do math but he is ill qualified to comment on anything affecting every day affairs. He was quite literally detached from reality.
Finally a proposition i can get behind
>>545262113Humans have committed all kinds of atrocities against other humans who looked different from them and used them for things like slave labor and medical experimentation
>>545235932not my problem faggot. I very much enjoy foie gras every time I'm in france.
>>545262177Smart & Vegetarian Pythagorean Followers1. Empedocles (c. 490 – c. 430 BCE)Who he was: A pre-Socratic Greek philosopher, poet, physician, and politician from Sicily.Why he fits: He was a brilliant polymath who originated the four-element theory of matter (earth, air, fire, water) and made early evolutionary observations about biology. He was a devout Pythagorean who practiced vegetarianism and taught that eating meat was akin to cannibalism because souls migrate between humans and animals. He famously wrote poems about how slaughtering animals for food was the ultimate moral transgression.2. Apollonius of Tyana (c. 15 – c. 97 CE)Who he was: A charismatic Greek Neopythagorean philosopher, sage, and traveling teacher from Asia Minor.Why he fits: Highly regarded in the ancient world as a brilliant intellectual, ascetic, and miracle worker, Apollonius strictly adhered to the Pythagorean lifestyle. He wore linen garments, walked barefoot, let his hair grow long, and abstained from all animal flesh and wine to keep his mind pure and clear for philosophy.3. Porphyry of Tyre (c. 234 – c. 305 CE)Who he was: A brilliant Neoplatonist philosopher, mathematician, and editor who wrote extensively on logic, religion, and animal rights.Why he fits: Porphyry authored On Abstinence from Animal Food (De Abstinentia ab Esurio Animalium), which remains one of the most intellectually rigorous defenses of vegetarianism and animal ethics from antiquity. Drawing directly on Pythagorean principles, he argued that animals possess reason and that consuming them degrades the human soul.
>>545262177>>5452624834. Leonardo da Vinci (1452 – 1519)Who he was: The ultimate Renaissance polymath—artist, scientist, mathematician, and inventor.Why he fits: While Leonardo lived centuries after ancient Greece, the Renaissance saw a massive revival of Neoplatonism and Pythagoreanism via the Medici courts. Leonardo explicitly adopted the Pythagorean/Neopythagorean diet of strict vegetarianism, writing in his notebooks that the time would come when men would look upon the murder of animals as they now look upon the murder of men
>>545242664>a fucking kike talking about cuisine all you foreskin eaters can stomach are broth and bread lmfao
are they going to ban the sale outright or just galvaging? Because the process is banned here too but our workaround is to inject hormones into birbs so they eat the feed in excess themselves and it doesn't constitute force feeding
>>545262410>not my problem faggot. I very much enjoy metzitza ba-peh every time I'm in israel.
>>545262592It is an outright ban on the commercial sale, distribution, and importation of the product, rather than just a penalty on local production.The Sale Ban is Product-Based, Not Just Process-Based: Even if a workaround avoids the physical act of tube-feeding, the ban targets any fattened bird liver product resulting from force-feeding or excessive artificial enlargement.The Legal Definition: The text explicitly bans products derived from practices intended to abnormally enlarge the liver. Enforcement agents and health inspectors would look at the end product (fattened livers marketed as foie gras or similar luxury items) rather than just auditing the farm-level feeding mechanism. https://proanimaldc.org/prohibit-force-feeding-of-birds-act/#:~:text=(a)%20Prohibit%20any%20person%20from%20force%2Dfeeding%20a,safety%20inspections%3B%20(e)%20Provide%20for%20civil%20penalties.
>>545262372>uh, i found this quot eon facebookAnimals are not like usEven if their internal organs are structurally similarThey are not like usSome are more like us than others, some were even bred to be more like us than they would be naturally, but even they are not really like us, they're just more relevant to the moral hygiene of a system designed to favor and preserve itself because they touch on the routines that cause that behaviorLet me be extremely clearWe created livestock to be easy to kill, in every way. They are dumb, they are ugly. They wil lsit there and watch you kill their friends. Some of them (pigs and chickens) will fight you for the right to eat the corpse.This is a very basic moral test.You prioritize the well being of society as a whole, recognizing that the improved development of the brains and bodies of your fellow humans is more important than the life of such a lowly animal>>545262483>>545262500More isolated ivory tower mathematicians totally detached from reality, to the point that some of them believed reality did not exist.Following their views on a societal scale creates india because only a few people can manage even "well enough" on a limited diet (and well enough is never perfect, not even with modern industrially produced supplements). I would bet all of these men were born to mothers who ate meat and fed them meat growing up as well. Sufficiently abstracted ethics cease to function more quickly than sufficiently abstracted wealth (ie: selling a loan backed by another loan) ceases to exist. This is specifically why every successful society invents god to justify pragmatism.There is a reason argument from authority does not work. Someone's specialty is creating equations, what do they know about right and wrong? They abstract means of determining measurements, QUANTITIES, to make counting things faster. They have limited experience with complex systems.
Pursuant to D.C. Official Code § 1-1001.16(c), the following formulations of Initiative Measure No. 86 were prepared this 3rd day of February, 2026.INITIATIVE MEASURENO. 86SHORT TITLE“Prohibiting Force-Feeding of Birds Act of 2026.”SUMMARY STATEMENTIf enacted, this Initiative would:(a) Prohibit any person from force-feeding a bird for the purpose of enlarging the bird’s liver beyond normal size;(b) Ban the sale or distribution of any product resulting from force-feeding a bird, including foie gras;(c) Define force-feeding as inserting a tube into the bird’s throat to deliver excessive feed;(d) Provide for enforcement by the Department of Energy and Environment during routine food safety inspections;(e) Provide for civil penalties.LEGISLATIVE TEXTBE IT ENACTED BY THE ELECTORS OF THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, That this act maybe cited as the “Prohibiting Force-Feeding of Birds Act”Sec. 2. Legislative intent.The people of the District of Columbia hereby find and declare:(1) That fattened bird liver products are ‘luxury’ food items produced from the diseasedand enlarged liver of a bird, typically a duck or goose, typically produced through systematically force-feeding the animal until their liver becomes diseased and expands up to ten times its natural size;
>>545262833(2) That the method typically used to force-feed these birds for production of food items is inhumane and involves inserting a foot-long metal or plastic tube into the bird’s throat and administering excessive quantities of feed directly into the stomach, resulting in extreme pain and various health issues;(3) That force-feeding induces liver disease in the birds, which is both painful and often fatal, causing the animals significant injury and illness, including bacterial and fungal infections, malnourishment, and/or lameness;(4) That veterinary professionals widely regard the typical practice of force-feeding birds for food product production as inhumane;(5) That the intensive confinement of these birds for food product production exacerbates environmental degradation and climate change through the necessitation of substantial water and energy consumption and polluting our city’s air and waterways;(6) That runoff from fattened bird liver production facilities contains high concentrationsof phosphorus and nitrogen, two of the most common forms of water pollution in the United States;(7) That workers in fattened bird liver production facilities face occupational hazards, including exposure to respiratory irritants and zoonotic diseases, posing risks to worker health and public health; and(8) That eliminating the production and sale of fattened bird liver products from the marketplace is in our city’s interest and authority to reduce animal cruelty, unsustainable environmental practices, and spread of zoonotic, and to uphold the District’s values of humane animal treatment, public health, and environmental stewardship.Sec. 3. Definitions.For the purposes of this act, the term:
>>545262863(1) “Bird” means any species of poultry, including ducks, geese, chickens, turkeys, guineas, or squabs.(2) “Director” means the duly appointed Director of the Department of Energy and Environment (“the Department”), or the lawfully designated subordinate of the Director of the Department acting under the orders of the Director of the Department.(3) “Fattened bird liver product” means any food product or by-product made from the livers of birds fattened through any method or practice, including foie gras, pâtés, spreads, and processed meat products derived from such livers, regardless of marketing terminology.(4) “Food service establishment” means any place offering prepared food to be consumed by customers on or off premises, including restaurants, cafeterias, pushcarts, stands, or vehicles.(5) “Force-feeding” means any process, whether by hand or machine, by which a bird is caused to ingest more food than it would consume voluntarily, including the use of a tube or device inserted into the esophagus.(6) “Person” means any individual, corporation, partnership, joint venture, trust, government agency, organization, or other entity.(7) “Retail establishment” means any store, shop, sales outlet, farmers’ market, or other place that sells or offers for sale food products to the public.(8) “Sell” or “sale” means any act of selling, trading, distributing, bartering, or transferring for monetary or nonmonetary consideration, occurring where the recipient takes physical possession of the item.
>>545258639just stop torturing chickens, dumbasswe can still make chicken nuggets>>545261303damn, wouldn't want to harm my liver. I need that for drinking alcohol. Thanks for the tip!>>545261945this. Slip some meth into the duck's feed or something, it'll love its final days if its tripping balls
>>545262780It's also compatible with my ethics (based on pragmatism and moral hygiene, considering the human as a trainable animal that operates well within certain parameters rather than a spirit that must hold to certain principles) rather than pseudo-hindu vegan slop, sucka.A vegan would call it not enoughA pragmatist would call it as important for moral hygiene as banning dog meat, and one step before a societal changeover to low volume, high efficiency slaughterhouses (the current dirty, high volume, low efficiency centralized model was caused by USDA regulatory frameworks, not practical need)
>>545262886Sec. 4. Prohibited conduct.(a) No person shall force-feed a bird, or hire or direct another person to force-feed a bird, for the purpose of enlarging the bird’s liver beyond its normal size. This subsection shall not apply to force-feeding directed by a licensed veterinarian solely for therapeutic purposes.(b) No person, food service establishment, or retail establishment shall sell, offer for sale, distribute, or otherwise provide any fattened bird liver product within the District of Columbia, whether as a standalone item or as an ingredient in any product or dish.(c) No person shall import, transport, or receive a fattened bird liver product into the District for sale, distribution, or any other commercial purpose, regardless of the jurisdiction where the product was produced or originated.Sec. 5. Authority of Director.(a) The Director is hereby authorized to administer and enforce the provisions of this Act.Thereby, the Department:(1) Is authorized to adopt procedures and forms to implement the provisions of this act;(2) Shall ensure compliance with the provisions of this act during routine inspections of retail establishments;(3) Shall also have the authority to issue subpoenas for records related to the purchase, storage, and sale of poultry products;(4) Shall ensure members of the public are able to submit complaints notifying the Department of possible violations; and(5) Shall maintain a publicly available online database of violations and penalties issued under this act, updated quarterly.(b) The Director is authorized to adopt rules, procedures, and forms to implement the provisions of this act.(c) The Director shall ensure compliance with this act during routine inspections of food service establishments and retail establishments.
>>545262923Sec. 6. Enforcement and penalties.(a) Any person or establishment that violates any provision of this act shall be subject to a civil penalty of not less than $1,000 and not more than $5,000 per violation. Each day a violation continues shall constitute a separate violation.(b) Repeated violations within a 12-month period may result in suspension or revocation of the violator’s business license in accordance with applicable District law.(c) In addition to civil penalties, the District may enforce this act through a civil action, including an action for injunctive relief.Sec. 7. Severability.If any provision of this act, or its application to any person or circumstance, is held invalid, the remainder of the act, and the application of its provisions to other persons or circumstances, shall not be affected.Sec. 8. Applicability.This act shall apply as of July 1, 2027; except that:(a) The provisions of this act with any fiscal effect shall apply upon the date of inclusion of the fiscal effect in an approved budget and financial plan, if that date is later than July 1, 2027.(b) The Chief Financial Officer shall certify the date of the inclusion of the fiscal effect in an approved budget and financial plan and provide notice to the Budget Director of the Council of the certification.(c)(1) The Budget Director shall cause the notice of the certification to be published in the District of Columbia Register. (2) The date of publication of the notice of the certification shall not affect the applicability of this act.Sec. 9. Effective Date.This act shall take effect after a 30-day period of congressional review as provided in section 602(c)(1) of the District of Columbia Home Rule Act, approved December 24, 1973 (87 Stat. 813; D.C. Official Code § 1-206.02(c)(1)), and publication in the District of Columbia Register.
>>545235932Geese don't have a gag reflex. The "force feeding" that goes on is a matter of projection. Ultimately you're a retard.
>>545262797The Cambridge declaration of consciousness and New York update to it disagree with you . The Cambridge declaration of consciousness and New York update to it totally agree that animals like birds and mammals are conscious to a significant degreeall those Cognitive neuroscientists, neuroanatomists, neurophysiologists, neuropharmacologists, computational neuroscientists, ethologists, behavioral biologists, theoretical physicists, philosophers, comparative psychologists, evolutionary biologists, neurologists, animal welfare scientists, legal scholars, professors of law, public law and human rights lecturers, computer scientists, veterinary professors, environmental studies scholars, chemical and biological engineers, linguists, and chief executive officersAgree that all birds and mammals have a significant amount of consciousnessThey can suffer a lotThey can also experience wellbeinglike methey are in many cases more conscious, more intelligent, more capable of forming relationships, more capable of experiencing well-being and suffering than some humans like humans born with trisome 18
>>545262950no conclusive proof of that and there’s other issues with it even if that were true
>>545263078>Ivory tower kooks said "we agree these animals are CONSCIOUS!"Oh yes a bunch of people specializing in everything from the lowly, nonsensical state of modern philosophy (that brought us "kill all the white people to punish their ancestors") to programming text editors made a feel good statement to impress their other isolated, upper crust friendsYou will prioritize your own species over livestock, or you will be considered a threat to your speciesThat is finalYOU WILL PRIORITIZE YOUR OWN SPECIES OVER LIVESTOCK OR YOU WILL BE CONSIDERED A THREAT TO YOUR SPECIESTHAT IS FINALFOLLOWING YOUR BELIEF SYSTEM ON A SOCIETAL SCALE CONSISTENTLY CREATES CONDITIONS FOR BIOLOGICAL OPPRESSION OF LOWER CLASSESBEING VEGAN FOR ETHICAL REASONS IS ONTOLOGICALLY EVIL
>>545263206>You will prioritize your fellow Jews over goys, or you will be considered a threat to your tribe>That is final>YOU WILL PRIORITIZE YOUR OWN TRIBE OVER GOYIMS OR YOU WILL BE CONSIDERED A THREAT TO YOUR TRIBE>THAT IS FINAL>BEING AGAINST USURY ON A SOCIETAL SCALE CONSISTENTLY CREATES CONDITIONS FOR GOYIM TO BE NOT OPPRESSED BY JEWS>BEING AGAINST LENDING MONEY AT ANY INTREST RATE IS ONTOLOGICALLY ANTI SEMTIC
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>>545262797Being 'bred to die' is an argument that is often used as a justification for the slaughter of animals.If the interlocutor/s name 'bred to die' as a trait, there are, yet again, absurd conclusions that follow from the premise.X purpose given by someone =/= moral justification to do X - or that would implicitly imply that morality is dictated by that someone.A could say:P1. If a being is bred into existence for the purpose of dying, it's OK to kill them.P2. Farmed animals are being bred into existence for the purpose of dying.C1. It's OK to kill farmed animals.B could then say:P1. If a being is bred into existence for the purpose of dying, it's OK to kill them.P2. I want to breed children into existence for the purpose of them being killed when they're old enough to run for their lives and make it fun.C1. It's OK to kill said children.It's very easy to show how psychopathic, incompatible, and inconsistent, conclusions entailed by such a premise would be.Being brought into existence with an intended purpose for your existence, doesn't morally justify carrying out such purpose simply because it was intended to be so.If the interlocutor/s do not agree to that, then even more absurd conclusions follow:P1. If a being is bred into existence for a purpose, it's OK to carry out such a purpose onto them.P2. X dogs are bred into existence for the purpose of dogfighting.P3. Y dogs are not bred into existence for the purpose of dogfighting.P4. X and Y dogs are at the same sentient level, and are equal.C1. It's OK to make X dogs dogfight, but not Y dogs.P1. If a being is bred into existence for a purpose, it's OK to carry out such a purpose onto them.P2. X humans are bred into existence to be slaves.P3. Y humans are bred into existence to be slave traders.P4. X and Y humans are at the same sentient level, and are equal.C1. It's OK for Y humans to make X humans their slaves.
>>545263522And so on.After a certain point, person A will either have to admit that P1. is wrong, or agree to absurd and psychopathic views that are inconsistent and make no sense
>>545263078Seriously I can not believe the moral retardation on display here"I worship thought itself""Moral value is based on alleged thought""The highest principles are thoughts about feeling good and thoughts about feeling bad - from these come good and evil""It does not matter how much we lower our own society by doing this, we must die being morally right""We must not harm the fellow soul... I mean, minds"Your belief system is incoherent bullshit until you add the "and we raise our vibrational states and become enlightened gods in the astral plane instead of reincarnating in the reptilians educational soul snare" part.I worship mankind's ascent.I will invent a God to encourage pragmatic behavior if people are incapable of internalizing that concept safely.The most important thing in the world is creating more cooperative humans with greater physical and mental capability, rather than higher numbers of dumber, weaker humans ruled by a minority of mostly-nourished brahmin (vegans have a society already, its called india, notice the nutrient deficits stacked generationally)"Veganism" will only be considered when we're growing meat on plants fertilized with the same waste products we can feed livestock when the governments grain subsidies aren't fucking the system up, if not fewer resources.>>545263347False equivalence.Different human tribes are capable of integrating. We are the same species. Even the genetic quality of the dumbest blackest niggers can be raised exponentially simply by consistently enforcing the same laws against murder, theft, rape, assault, perversion, and public disturbance everyone else has to obey. Lower animals are significantly lower species and many of them aren't even capable of comprehending their mortality, and are only pre-programmed danger indicators like the smell of adrenaline laced blood and sonic distress outputs. They aren't even near this argument. They are objects with slightly more moral hygiene impact.
>>545262780Ah cool at least its not half measures that ultimately don't solve the inherent ethical issues with foie in itself
>>545263650no because some utilitarians are objective list so they believe in intrinsic goods besides pleasure like relationships. You only included pain and pleasure. Many vegans are utilitarians, some are theists . No one will worship your God you made up 5 minutes ago . >About eight in ten Indians aged 15–49 eat some form of meat, poultry, seafood or eggs, according to recent national surveys.JAINISM is a better example though many still eat meat, but they have a very high rates of billionaires, doctors, etc per capita
>>545263650Only about 8% of Jains eat meat, as the vast majority adhere to a strict vegetarian diet."The share of the Jain community in the Indian economy is remarkable. Their population is 0.5%. But in total tax collection, approximately 24% comes from them,"
>>545263522It's really pathetic when people as FUCKING STUPID AS YOU ADORN THEMSELVES WITH THE FASHIONS OF LOGIC TO APPEAR INTELLIGENTP1. If a being is bred into existence for the purpose of dying, it's OK to kill them.P2. I want to breed children into existence for the purpose of them being killed when they're old enough to run for their lives and make it fun.Interjection: Breeding humans for such a purpose is wrong to begin with. You are a danger to your own species. Resource inefficient and a major moral hygiene threat. Your proposition would condition a part of society to be comfortable with killing ordinary people as well.Interjection: It's not just that livestock were bred for the purpose of dying, the base animal already had a negligible moral hygiene index. It doesn't matter if you kill a wild sheep either. We just made them so much easier to kill they don't even recognize their own deaths.YOU ARE FUCKING STUPIDEVERY SINGLE FUCKING "ETHICAL" VEGAN IS FUCKING STUPIDBEING VEGAN FOR ETHICAL REASONS IS ONTOLOGICALLY EVILI HAVE NEVER MET ONE WHO DID NOT SAY SHIT AS DUMB AS WHAT YOU HAVE SAID HERE, IF NOT DUMBER, IE "IT IS OKAY TO CULL LOW VALUE HUMANS TO PROTECT BIODIVERSITY">>545263800All abstracted ethics are invalidPragmatism and the success of your species being the only alternative to its eventual extinction is the only thing that is real>well indians eat SOMEBut how much? Extremely, extremely little. Their code of conduct was founded on non-violence and quickly degenerated the human condition so much the lower classes were no longer capable of uphlding it.>>545263857The jains are the remnants of the reality-detached fucktards (like you) who didn't get why people ate meat instead of their carefully constructed diet. They only devolved a little.A jain professional is still lower quality than what the west offers. Erasing their entire people from earth would only delay a few inevitable mathematical treatises.
>>545263650I believe with technological advancements , AGI, and transhumanism and transnonhumananimalism that animal uplift to the point of animals being able to reason will soon be possible.
Tastes like you wouldn't believe - you veggie homos
>>545263970Theres examples of societies which dehumanized other groups of peoples or certain types of peoples like the severely disabled and committed atrocities against them. Child sacrifice and infanticide was historically very common. They considered these actions to be resource efficient.
>>545263522You can make shit ton of useless theory it does not matter because your foundation is flawed. Animal are to be eaten as you can observe in nature all predatory animals are faster stronger and more clever than those who dont focus on eating meat as their main food. Human need much more energy and effiency in their high level thinking process therefor we must fucking eat meat if you want to be an unhealthy passiv human simp cattle go ahead. Dont you fuckin see how long the herbivores need to chew and how many stomache they need to produce somewhat of an nutrition value? This design is perfect in inperfection as in a fallen world (fallen away from god's direct influence(if you are immortal and never hungry because god provides you then you wouldn't get to experience the full extent of good and evil)) . Everything made has a purpose whether we are capable to comphend it or not. Meat is what your body makes so you can do swing your arm or move your legs how are they toxic for consumtion or not necessary you retard.
>>545263988Every single "ethical vegan" i have spoke to eventually said"I don't understand why bestiality is not permitted if eating meat is, since bestiality does not necessarily harm the animal and animals are clearly capable of initiating mutually enjoyable sexual activity with humans"You totally miss the point that it's a violation of moral hygiene and negatively affects human behavior by redirecting one of the strongest pair bonding instincts and strongest forms of natural conditioning towards the wrong species, while also carrying the outsized risk of transmitting new diseases to your species (we don't have sexually transmitted brucellosis outbreaks yet specifically because we ban bestiality, and the only people who practice it on a large scale - indians - literally live in sewage and seem to be unable to harbor pathogens)So it really doesn't surprise me that a motivator in your "ethical system" is a future where the logical conclusion is a horse or dog that can fully consent>>545264130That's why the god my people invented banned those. They were inefficient and damaging to moral hygiene.Eating lowlier animals (see: the kosher laws) is coincidentally non-impactful when done at natural scales.Modern kosher slaughter however was not prescribed by my GodIt was invented by the rabbis
>>545263970Jains have always been vegetarian. They have never been a particularly low IQ or poor people (except voluntary poverty monks )
>>545264164>Human need much more energy and effiency in their high level thinking process therefor we must fucking eat meat if you want to be an unhealthy passiv human simp cattle go ahead. You can do this as a vegetarian if you have invented fire and as a vegan if you also eat oysters or take supplements
>>545264087You should always pair foie gras with something sweet, you should know this Frenchie. For me, the best offals are sweetbreads
>>545264205 meat eaters pay for artificial insemination which involves humans by hand sexually stimulating pigs and other animals to then by hand collect their semen and then by hand put it into female animals, anti bestiality laws have exceptions written into them for artificial insemination. This is just projection
>>545264321Nay lad - a nice Madeiran wine - then later a sweet wine with some more fois gras
>>545235932>If you’re in DC, vote-No. I don't believe in democracy
>>545235932Nope. Each democrat is a valid target for acts of violence.
>>545264216It's rather that only rich people can afford to uphold a lifestyle that objectively reduces their capability.Like vegan bodybuilders who are essentially professional food consumers. All of these people maximize their free wealth and free time. They have to be intelligent do pursue their lifestyle.However, that does not mean their lifestyle, as a product of intelligence, is good. Intelligent people are also more likely to become serial killers, serial rapists, mass tormentors, zoophiles, and leaders of child rape cults. Not because intelligence causes evil and stupidity, but because it enables it to reach greater heights.>>545264280The majority of society is never able to adhere to a vegan diet and even meat restriction creates conditions for mass biological oppression of mankind. It's simply not possible. Even vegans STRUGGLE. Yes, you struggle. Please don't minimize this. Most people who attempt to join your RELIGION fail out of it because they weaken or sicken!The availability of more meat "than you need to survive" (but not more than you need to fully develop) is a massive moon for society>>545264382Just because animals CAN be artificially inseminated does not mean this is necessary for eating meat. It is supposedly for maximizing profit, but I believe the practice has become a shelter of plausible deniability for people who have sex with animals and have thus broken their moral connection with their own species and made on with a lower one.I actually agree modern agriculture practices have become a shelter for people that we would naturally expunge from our group, and that factory farming needs serious reformsThat's why I buy from farmers I like instead of farmers I dislikeAnd yet, the vast majority of "ethical vegans" i have spoke to have ADMITTED THEY APPROVE OF BESTIALITY ANYWAYS
>>545235932Yeah, seems wrong to me on its face.
i love how /pol/ switches when they are pro-animal rights based entirely on what tone OP takes.
>>545236093No matter what you say, I will not support any leftist cause, and I will go out of my way to destroy anything that is of the left. Each leftist deserves to be beaten to death on sight.
>>545236131Don't care, death to democrats.
>>545264514why?
>>545236171I say that you, specifically you, deserve to have your throat slit from ear to ear.
>>545264205that is just your opinion. the Old Testament is also full of Jewish supremacist talking points and repeatedly places non Jews below Jews
>>545236421Eat shit and die.
>>545264087>>545264417i'd eat 20 ortolan in a row without the head scarf.
>>545235932Kill all eco niggers
>>545264549Because democrats deserve death. In every case.
>>545236300You cant rape the willing
>>545235932I live 20min away in VA, can I do anything ? I always knew DC was fucked up.
>>545264492https://www.vrg.org/blog/2026/02/10/how-many-adult-vegans-are-in-the-u-s-how-often-do-americans-eat-vegetarian-meals/amp/Under $50,000 annual income: Roughly 3% of individuals in this bracket identify as vegan. Because of this concentration, people earning under $50,000 often account for the largest raw share or concentration of total vegans, heavily driven by younger adults (ages 18–34) who are in entry-level careers or still in school.
>>545264587nooo - too far
>>545264737Why not?
>>545264535The bible allows slaughtering animals for food but not animal torture.Institutionalized animal torture is not in the bible. It was an invention of the rabbis.>>545264569In context, non-jew meant pagan. Followers of moloch, baal, and ishtar were non-jews. The pagan vikings who raped their fellow europeans and sold them into ottoman slavery. Those are pagans. Non-jews."The jews" as you know them today did not exist yet, and they are not the successor of this faith, but rather, an earlier schism (the pharisees) led by another ethnicity (edomites) rather than the hebrews (who are borderline extinct - fewer than 4% of modern jews are their descendants, most of their remnants are palestinian christians). "The jews" as you know them are a rabbinical corruption that rewrote the original text (mishnah) and then twisted its meanings (talmud). Even their circumcision practice has been corrupted, from a standard medical treatment for what was then a common deformity (phimosis) to complete flaying of the penis.The successor is Christ, which finalizes the creed as a pragmatic, human-supremacist religion where cooperation among man reigns supreme and we will all evolve by holding each other to the same human-supremacist moral standards and reducing the reproductive success of those who do not.>>545264733>Per capita failure>Focusing on income>Critical thought failure (young adults without children have more time and resources, and are also the most prone to being stupid)
>>545264733Gen z are the niggers of generations
>>545264280Cauterizing food makes them better yeahh sure retard try eating raw vs cooked cooked makes you taste in mouth and produce lot of waste your body cant use therefor shit it out while raw is blank in mouth and then stomach taste rich flavours after eaten and very little to no shitting. You are not vegan if you eat oysters retard or suppliments that rely on bacteria. You just owned yourself do you have brain damage? Or did you wanted to make the case clear that vegans are an abomination? Who cares about vegetarians they drink milk therefor they rely on animals you can live like that but you wont be as strong as meat eaters meat has mature poteins.
>>545264811Bibles, the original fake n gay
>>545264492Artificial insemination is done because it is more economical. Yes, that is correct. Preventing injury is one of the key reasons farmers use artificial insemination (AI) instead of natural service, particularly in cattle and dairy farming. National Dairy CouncilThe safety and injury-reduction benefits of AI apply in a few major ways:Preventing Physical Injury to the Female: Male animals (especially bulls) are often significantly larger and heavier than females. During natural mating, this extreme difference in size and weight can result in physical strain, bruising, or lacerations to the female. National Dairy FARM ProgramProtecting Farmers and Handlers: Keeping a mature bull on a farm carries major safety risks. Bulls can be large, highly territorial, and unpredictable, frequently causing severe or fatal injuries to handlers and farmers. AI eliminates the need to house and manage aggressive breeding males on-site. YouTube+ 1Avoiding Disease Transmission: Natural mating can easily spread venereal and reproductive diseases across a herd. AI allows semen to be thoroughly screened and tested in a lab before use, significantly improving biosecurity. Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Mining |While the primary economic drivers for AI are usually genetic improvement (getting access to elite traits like higher milk yield or better growth rates) and cost savings (not having to feed and house a heavy bull year-round), physical safety for both the animals and the handlers is a major contributing factor.
>>545264811Don't care. Death to democrats.
>>545235932you are a stupid nigger
Yes, let's ban the quintessence of white gastronomy and push for more high-frucrose corn syrup slop and ethnic food
>>545264643tell your dc friends to vote correctly on this issue or go there and hold a sign in public but it probably won’t move needle much
>>545264894Shitskin rapists rule you
>>545264811the old testament is full of cruel animal sacrifices
>>545264845The bible was written to enforce moral pragmatismYou are encouraged to believe it comes from god, because as an instruction book derived from natural law, if god is real, the universe is his will and behavior that lends itself to your success is effectively working within god's favor>>545264857>For maximizing profitAnd of course skirting the ills of high density/throughput, low efficiency farming created by the USDA's regulatory framework and other government fuckeryI agree with eating meat, not with modern america's unnatural farming practices.>>545264859Democrats push common sense morality alongside radical agendas as a marketing tactic.That doesn't mean you shouldn't do what jesus would do... it's an initiative, not a vote for a candidate.
>>545264979I legitimately do not care about your argument, faggot. Each democrat deserves its skull crushed with a brick.
>>545264979Fake n gay
>>545264842Oysters are vegan. Veganism is about extending human rights to trait equalized animals. I don’t care about human beings who are not conscious and never were conscious like a 2 day old zygote and I don’t care about animals that are not conscious and were never conscious like an oyster .
>>545264813Yeah the effect of their godless parents and authority figures are still lingering inside them. I pray for them.
>>545264950Kikes and violent negroes rule you. Same struggle brother
>>545235932No way, foie gras is delicious.
>>545264979That is just egoism with Extra steps. It’s not what Jesus would do.
>>545265111What a fucking faggotNo wonder shitskin rapists rule you
>>545264962Animal sacrifices consisted of the quickest form of slaughter available to those people and were effectively a display of moral qualityThis is how it repays sin. To sacrifice the firstuits of the flock does not merely say, but fully demonstrates:"I value this lower animal less than my moral duty to my people and my faith in God who personifies behavior that leads to our success. I would sooner give its life than offend the God that is the personification of behavior that leads to our prosperity."Eventually this was considered unnecessary, but for early iterations of man, it was a significant demonstration of human quality.>>545265084>I worship thought itselfNot in my opinion, but in fact, you should be able to slaughter a chicken to prove that you value your own species and all things higher than it, rather than all things lower than itTo recognize the difference between a resource, yourself, and the almightyAnd admit your trophic level, your place in the natural order, the inescapable law of existenceYou are in a group that contains people who approve of mating with and marrying dogs and believes it may be right to mass cull humans to protect biodiversity and untouched ecosystems. You must demonstrate that you are outside of this.Sacrifice may not have lost its utility after all.
>>545265140You elbos up queers are an embarrassment
>>545235932But it tastes so fucking good. Foie gras burgers are the fuckjng best.
>>545235932fuck off it's yummy :)
>>545265191Egoism with extra steps isn't egoism.The natural conclusion of species-level self interest with semantic room to admit equal and higher beings and abide by those not much lower is the core of Christianity and an evolutionary inevitability in every species that neither destroys nor degrades itself
>>545265242They also clearly did tribal genocides including against babies and women of other tribes >You are in a group that contains people who approve of mating with and marrying dogs and believes it may be right to mass cull humans to protect biodiversity and untouched ecosystems. You must demonstrate that you are outside of this.>Sacrifice may not have lost its utility after all.if 0.01% of a group approve of something immoral like beastiality that does not debunk the entire group or ideology. this can be said about any group
>>545236131The difference is I like dogs, kind of, but I fucking hate geese with the passion of a burning sun. Fuck geese. Especially canadian geese, which fly down here every year in mass numbers and shit everywhere. They are the indians of animals, which is fitting they're literally callled canadian geese.
>>545265394Lold
>>545265255This faggotry came from America. You're the shining beacon of western degeneracy
>>545235932No way would I ban this. You havnt lived until youve eaten veal cooked in foie gras. Peak deliciousness right there.
>>545265433Yet shitskins rule youWe are ejecting themWe're not the same
>>545235932You don't have to ban anything. If people who abuse animals wind up in cartel videos that get circulated around the internet, they'll stop.
>>545265084And you hold the objective understanding of consciousness? What an absurdity. On what do you justify or ground your claim ? Why should i believe your arbituary intuition as truth? Oysters are animals you cant dispute this. You cant just change the definition for your pridevto be right. Only humans can be Conscious some might seem unconscious because they choose sin as their way of live and resemble more of an animal than humans but they still are not to be eaten! God wishes for everyone to be saved but his patience is not infinite so that your choice will still be of importance. I am done talking with you. You must see your own false ways for yourself. Further discussion with someone blinded by their pride will only be fruitless.
>>545265357did two non humans give birth to a human? If I used a time travel device to go back in time would it be immoral for me to kill and eat the child but not immoral for me to kill and eat the child’s parents?Dont dodge. Because even Christians who deny evolution will use this same Arguement against Christians who believe evolution to show evolution is incompatible with Christianity. and evolution is true, you do share a common ancestor with a cow and with a banana https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sqFbQgVrg7s
>>545265519We will flay the skin off every eco nigger
>leftoids: I don't care if shitskin migrants destroy the entire western civilization, their food is yummy>also leftoids: noooo you can't overfeed the duckerino for its yummy liver
>>545265536Explain how conscious can occur in an animal without a central nervous system.
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>>545265223Says the golem. Look at what you do in this world instead of trying to be the alpha you retard. Vainglory will be your demise.
>>545265516The only thing you're ejecting is your tax payers money to Israel. Swarm of shitskins are still getting in the USA and white are projected to be minority by 2045. You lost and you're celebrating it, you're a retard
>>545265360Did, past tense, to eradicate a child sacrifice cult. In context these were primitive people, pre-literate societies, and their chronicles can only be understood in context. They could not have eradicated a violent child sacririce cult otherwise. The overarching philosophy however is the civilizing of primitive peoples.>if 0.01% of a group approve of something immoral like beastiality that does not debunk the entire group or ideology. this can be said about any groupIt's not 0.01%. Your core philosophy necessitates you do. The vast majority of you are capable of approving of bestiality as long as the animal initiates and is unharmed. There is absolutely no room in your ethical system to disapprove of bestiality where an animal initiates sex and is unharmed by it, and rather enjoys it. None. Nada.The complications you must introduce to escape this become difficult to reconcile with any system that enables society to exist to begin with.>>545265565Two almost-humans gave birth to something that was even more like a human, until eventually two contemptible nearly humans gave birth to the first full human.A near human is more related to moral hygiene than a cow.When did I say we could even eat chimpanzees? They're certainly worth less than us and it would require immense benefit to our species to justify harming them because they are SO MUCH MORE CONNECTED TO MORAL HYGIENE. Fuck, even lesser monkeys are so significant in this system that we can just look outside, people who like monkey torture turn out to be pedosadists that think epstein was cool. You're stuck in your own INVALID animal-fucker framework, dog rapist.
>>545265689Eurocunts get very mad over the truth
>>545265698Poopjeet lover is experiencing acute asshurt
>>545235932Foie gras = gayGay = evil
>>545265704Sure there is. I have a preference against humans having sex with any being who can’t give informed consent so in my opinion it’s immoral. EZ PZ and it’s no different from what you are doing with your different preferences
>>545265781When it comes to faggotry you cathlkikes know everything
>>545265645Wtf are you on about.
>>545265777You sound like a Mossad agent
>>545265864When 4chan niglets accuse anyone of jewry youre over target
>>545265855Who told you i’m catholic, you hearing voices?
>>545265704Pigs, cows, pigeons, chickens, etc are like humans. They can recognize human faces for example . In many ways they are more like me then a human with trisome 18. People who don’t abuse animals aka vegans are less violent towards humans and this can be evidenced by the fact theres never been a SINGLE vegan lethal act of terrorism towards another human being. If you want to reduce human on human violence then make everyone vegan
>>545265749>>545265777This is either an aggrivation agent or an retarded child who has not left his mom's basement. Just stop paying attention to the worthless.
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>>545265950The simp is outing himself. He is more like animal than human and he holds the value of being harmless as an good virtue.
>>545265976High praise cooming from a kraut faggot
>>545265810>I have a preferenceYou can't say it's objectively wrong. Thats it. I can.You "have a preference for informed consent". A pro-zoophillic vegan could rip this to shreds by asking you about the value of informed consent, such as knowledge of consequence, walk you through the consequences and what information the animal can consent to, and leave you concluding that animals can in fact consent because pregnancy can not occur, only carnal pleasure, so long as they initiate and enjoy it rather than being harmed making it the ethical equivalent of them asking for food or scratches. A human feels good, and an animal not only feels good, but has distressing urges relieves and suffers less. Under vegan framework there's literally nothing wrong with this. You can only have that... a preference. An ethical vegan MUST support bestiality in some way.When you accept anthropocentric moral hygiene, there is a lot wrong with it, so much wrong with it, it's not even worth the risk to engage in scientific experiments to see how much really is, and more than enough evidence of people who do it turning out to be generally immoral or approving of immorality towards their own species because they have come to prefer another. My system lets me call bestiality evil. Yours does not. It lets me say why, concretely. Yours does not.>>545265950>A lower animal can recognize SHAPESLmao>theres never been a SINGLE vegan lethal act of terrorism towards another human beingThis is not just false (ecoterrorists have killed, and performed acts that disrupted medical research and indirectly led to human deaths), but vegans often express support for mass depopulation and the destruction of modern society.I would not be surprised if any real mass depopulation scheme had vegans on board.
>>545266067He >>545265704 values it or something like it. Do you not know what an internal critique is? You clearly don’t know what a brain is >>545265084>>545265536>>545265645>>545265862
>>545266146Your proposition is invalid"I said vegans are harmless, so make everyone vegan to end violence"But1: Some judicial/deserved violence is required as selective pressure. Genetics are not locked into an upwards climb.2: Mass meat deprivation lowers society such that the biologically oppressed classes become more unruly and prone to street fights, assaults, thefts, and rapes3: The ethnic group with the highest meat consumption per capita has the least violent crime. One notable case: When japan was at its most violent and evil, they ate much less meat than they do today. Modern japan eats a ton of meat, especially beef, and has become significantly less warlike and more intelligent. The vegetarian and vegan buddhists among them (5% of the population) are not driving this. Their now fully developed brains, on the other hand, might lead to the perception that the consequences of unjustified intraspecies violence are unwanted.
>>545266142Yes I can. Watch.I have the intuition that moral realism is true. I have the intuition that if something seems true and I don’t have any good reason to doubt it that it is probably true. It seems stance independently true that it is immoral to torture pigs a massive amount just for a small amount of taste pleasure for me. I don’t have any good reasons to doubt this is stance independently true. Studies show most people agree with most and polls show most people in countries like UK support much stronger animal welfare laws like bigger cages . Therefore is is probably stance independently true that it is stance independently immoral to torture pigs a lot for a little bit of taste pleasure for me.I can do this as an atheist or a theist. Most atheist and most theist professional philosophers are moral realists according to philpapers survey and about half of meta ethics normative ethics etc AOS lean towards vegetarianism or veganism
>>545266146You are all over the place. Calm yourself and read for once. Then post something coherent. You retard.
The average indian eats less than 40g of meat per day 3-4x less than whites and east asiansSimilar trends hold true in africa, where malnutrition results in poor brain developmentMost people are not rich or leisurely enough to maintain a vegan diet that can maintain an adult body. 2/3s of people who attempt veganism fail.Almost none can do so in such a way that they produce fully developed offspringUntil we can grow meat on trees, the lesser animals, the least among them, will die so our species can exceed the capabilities of homo erectus.>>545266470This post you made here, is straight up babble, totally out of context with the argument, just horseshit you've reposted every time you lose this argument.Might I remind you that you admitted you would rather torture disabled children to death than do the same to chimpanzees?That you agreed you would murder a rancher rather than allow him to send 1000 cows to slaughter?That you desperately struggle to admit your ethical system lets you fuck an animal under certain conditions?That I'm right?Until we can grow meat on trees, the lesser animals, the least among them, will die so our species can exceed the capabilities of homo erectus.The capabilities.The behavioral tendencies.The scale and sustainability of civilization.The moral standards.
>>545266142>You "have a preference for informed consent". A pro-zoophillic vegan could rip this to shreds by asking you about the value of informed consent, such as knowledge of consequence, walk you through the consequences and what information the animal can consent to, and leave you concluding that animals can in fact consent because pregnancy can not occur, only carnal pleasure, so long as they initiate and enjoy it rather than being harmed making it the ethical equivalent of them asking for food or scratches. A human feels good, and an animal not only feels good, but has distressing urges relieves and suffers less. Under vegan framework there's literally nothing wrong with this. You can only have that... a preference. An ethical vegan MUST support bestiality in some way.No. The Same way an atheist non vegan can believe it is subjectively and or objectively immoral for a human adult to have sex with a human infant is the same way a vegan can believe it is subjectively and or objectively immoral for a human to have sex with an non animal who can’t consent.
>>545266142>>545266470>>545266598>You can't say it's objectively wrong. >Thats it. I can.You have no monopoly on objective moral claims because you eat meat or believe in God.
Kill vegan niggers
>>545266344Genetics are a false hill to die on. Idk about Japan but if you bring an country to the subject you have to account for all the political economical and diplomatical situation at the timeperiod to make a good case that is not wise in my opinion.
A vegan with a truly moral, good position would actually support sustainable farming practices devoid of cruelty and development of nonsentient meat producing organisms, rather than absurd practices that effectively punish humans for... being human>starve yourself, you're evil>>545266655No, not really. It's just another false equivalence from you. Your usual. You can't attack the hypothetical argument of the dogfucking vegan, which is, by the way, a very common subtype of your disgusting religion.Not without coming back to my side, the right one.Your religion is also anti-natalist. The birthrate of vegans in particular is nonexistent. How do you defend it? You can't, not without agreeing with meYou're an enemy of humanity.>>545266738Do people who have sex with animals have an increased tendency to prefer animals over humans, harm humans to protect animals, and treat humans more like animals in general?Yes, indeed. In fact, bestiality, even when the practitioners declare themselves moral and romantic people, correlates strongly with child rape and... rape in general.Is this so dangerous it is not even worth proving that it can, somehow, NOT be, sometimes? Yes.It is an objective moral claim that it is wrong to allow bestiality for any reason. It is not a preference. It is not a belief. It is knowledge, a fact. For the good of our species, we must NEVER allow people to have sex with animals.I'm on this side. Are you? No. You can't be. Your philosophy that equates humans with animals has to allow it. You can beat around the bush but until you admit anthropocentrism is truth and my moral hygiene is real but your principles are not, you're left coping while the core of your philosophy allows mutually enjoyable horse fucking. Mine doesn't. Internalize this.You are on team horse fucker.
>>5452663441. Vegan do some violence. Towards property and whatnot. 2. This is a massive empirical burden on your part.3. Cherry picking is not convincing. Jains have extremely low meat consumption and very low violent crime and are very successful business people
>>545266952Kill vegans
>>545266952>Do people who have sex with animals have an increased tendency to prefer animals over humans, harm humans to protect animals, and treat humans more like animals in general?Do months of the year in which people eat more ice cream have higher rates of drowning deaths?
>>545267060>Kill veganslol - then eat them, they're corn fed!
>>545266738Lmao never graduated from kindergarten i see.
>>545266952>No. You can't be. Your philosophy that equates humans with animals has to allow it. You can beat around the bush but until you admit anthropocentrism is truth and my moral hygiene is real but your principles are not, you're left coping while the core of your philosophy allows mutually enjoyable horse fucking. Mine doesn't. Internalize this.>You are on team horse fucker.You’re just asserting this. Rejecting a ingroup preference doesn’t mean you have to approve of having sex with members outside of your group.
>>545267217Full of toxins taste like defecations not recommended. I would rather eat bland bread not gonna lie than vegans.
>>545267030Jains are a religious minority, a hindu sub-cult whom lord over and oppress the castes they consider "imperfect" before them for failing to follow their religious beliefs. Their wealth is supported by the exploitation and service of others. And yet their society at scale is SHIT.I consider someone who has to eat meat, who can't maintain a vegan diet for some situational limitation, my equal. And I will eat meat along with them.I am on team human. This is why my society is not nearly as shit as theirs.You are on team horse fucker.https://wikibharat.org/hinduism/beastiality/https://hindutexts.org/immorality-and-vulgarity/bestiality-in-hinduism/The core of your philosophy allows bestialityPeople who share it allow bestialityYou can't argue it's objectively wrong, you simply have preferences and beliefs in service of dignity >>545267167Here's more members of team horse fucker, found anywhere vegans are>>545267276The core of your philosophy stills allows it, leaving you only preferenceThey are on your teamThey are ethically compatible with you, and capable of convincing you of their side."We cooperate with animals to feel good together. What are they failing to be informed of before consenting, saar?" -vegan zoophilesHow can you beat them? In service of dignity? Just throwing consent about as a thoughtstop?If you admit I'm right you can simply forbid itNot have a preferencehave knowledge that it is an evil thingBestiality is evil, it's a fact, it is an evil that spreads evil, disease and harm to mankind
>>545267217We can feed them to farm animalsIts a win win
>>545266952>You can't be. Your philosophy that equates humans with animals has to allow it. This is a straw man of veganism. Veganism doesn’t require you to believe orangutans should be allowed to drive cars on public highways. Veganism is about extending human rights to trait equalized non human animals. So veganism would generally approve of things like humans being able to have consensual sex with non human intelligent aliens who can give informed consent like Superman or some kind of intelligent and able to reason alien
>>545237191We need to eat GROX
>>545267395I’m not Hindu.
>>545267395>If you admit I'm right you can simply forbid it>Not have a preferencehave knowledge that it is an evil thing>Bestiality is evil, it's a fact, it is an evil that spreads evil, disease and harm to mankindI would say the same thing about meat eat because of its effects on the slaughterhouse workers and increased risk of pandemic and anti biotic resistant diseases spreading to humans
>>545267444"We cooperate with animals to feel good together. What are they failing to be informed of before consenting, saar?" -vegan zoophilesHow can you beat them? In service of dignity? Just throwing consent about as a thoughtstop?What ARE the animals not being informed of before consenting, if they won't have to deal with a pregnancy, won't be harmed, and won't get sick, when you encounter the ultimate product of your principles, the ethical vegan zoophiles?I can simply reject these people. You can't.>>545267500Your core principles are identical to theirs.You are on their team.They are on yours.They strive to eat as little meat as they can for ethical reasons, to embody noviolence and not harm a sentient being/soul.Just add a karma system and your ethical system is hindu.They are also one of the few religions that condones bestiality.You are on team horse fucker.I am not.My anthropocentric ethics allow me to decry their shit as a gross failure of moral hygiene and a danger to mankind. To have it be knowledge, a fact, that they are evil, what they do is evil, and they spread evil further.Does this bother you?
>>545267602>I would say the same thing about meat eat because of its effects on the slaughterhouse workers and increased risk of pandemic and anti biotic resistant diseases spreading to humansBut this isn't from eating meat. It's from the USDA-generated centralized meat production system. Smaller scale ranching doesn't do these things.And you're dodgingYour core principles are hinduAnd you are implicitly or explicitly on team horse fuckerYou're already coming close to admitting it>how can you say bestiality is evil if you eat meat? -typical vegan tropeOh and... vegan birthrates are nearzero. I guess you'd actually RATHER fuck the animals too.
>>545267602No one cares what vegan niggers think
The more you press a vegan the more you find out they're just not on team humanA vegan is necessarily anti-human, pro-animal. They would rather our species cease to reproduce and make mutually enjoyable, non-harmful love to sheep (so long as they initiate) until the end. Every vegan will eventually admit they can agree with this.Every vegan will eventually admit that would gladly MURDER A HUMAN BEING to save the lives of some number of animals as well!A vegan is necessarily anti-humanontologically evil.a classical demon, equating man with all creation rather than placing man above it, that being the root of all evil
>>545267610Again for the same reasons a non vegan atheist can believe it is subjectively and or objectively immoral for a human adult to have sex with a human infant who won’t have to deal with pregnancy, etc you can believe it is immoral to have sex with a animal. It causes harm to the human having sex with the child or animal, it harms the being who is being raped, etc. The same reasons an atheist human believes it is immoral for a human to have sex with another human or animal in a coma. You’ve given no convincing reasons why someone who believes child rape is wrong can’t also believe beastiality is also wrong.
>>545267667>But this isn't from eating meat. It's from the USDA-generated centralized meat production system. Smaller scale ranching doesn't do these things.You can’t feed 8 billion people this way.
>>545267799A horse or donkey that initiates sex with humans is not harmed, not by any measure. A dog that fucks your women is not harmed. There is no harm argument here.It's purely moral.Your morals (more like a lack of morals) HAVE TO allow bestiality, eventually, you must admit this, you can only prefer that it not happen but you can't call it objectively evil if the animal initiates and is fully unharmedMy morals classify it as evil, period. My morals classify it as a deep evil that upends the natural order upon which they are founded. The moral hygiene equivalent of one day deciding to bathe in sewage. A complete inversion of the foundation of morality, our position in the world and what is a resource and what is equal to and above us.>>545267846Yes we can. All the feedlots and slaughterhouses on earth could be broken up into many smaller ones with a higher standard of care and the same amount of resources would be used, other than human labor, of which more would be used, creating more employment opportunities for more people.Leave this place and go repent for your evil, your inverted, classically demonic society that places man as the equal to or in service of all lesser things.
>>545268261>A horse or donkey that initiates sex with humans is not harmed, not by any measure. A dog that fucks your women is not harmed. There is no harm argument here.They are harmed for the same reasons a human child who is disabled and permanently less intelligent than a donkey or dog is harmed if they are raped by a adult human after “initiating” sex with the adult human. The adult human raping the child or animal is also harmed.
>>545268261And before you get snarky please remember high density high throughput meat production is more wasteful and HAS to pack more animals in to compensate for waste that can be in excess of 20%, and sometimes, 100% (see: recent bird flu issues)With many smaller operations, there's just not as much loss so we don't even need as many livestock animals, and it's far easier to scale closer to local demand instead of having to overshoot national demand to be safe
