another german car manufactured by akmets in germany fails because no one wants their overpriced electric cuckmobiles
>>545190202Yeah sure the combustion engine ban is killing Germany's car industry. Surely that's why China is buidling electric cars. LMAO
>>545190202Audis haven't been made in Germany is quite some time. Their CEO (as opposed to the VW Group head honcho) said a few years back he saw no scenario in which Audi would ever produce anything in Germany ever again.But they should fuck off honestly. As China has shown an electric car should be dirt cheap. Somehow the Germans decided they should instead be three times the price of their ICE versions. With hilarious consequences.
>>545190202People realized kraut shitboxes are worthless and are buying Japanese.
>>545190202Fuck cars and fuck you, driving a fancy box you cant even fix yourself is not a replacement for manhood
Gee, it's a Mystery.
>>545190325China was heavily involved in pushing all the Green Deal shit. They couldn't have competed with us on ICEs, but they definitely can compete with us on EVs. Because we do not have any head start there, and we don't have the resources to produce them either, we need to buy those from China.German car manufacturers killed themselves with their own greed. All they saw were the profits they can hypothetically make if a whole continent is forced to replace their cars, and they never stopped to question why they believe it will be their cars that are being bought.
>>545190202isn't that a lesbain married to a jeetwhen will people stop electing these fake right wing female liars
>>545190451What was 2010 again, the Greek debt crisis? Either way, they really just started chaining the "crises" one after the other around that time so they'd always have an excuse to dial up their greed even more, with regards to basically everything.At this point, they wouldn't even know how to run the nations and businesses anymore if not for some artificial crisis they can use as an excuse for all the shit they do.You can easily tell they are artificial too because none of them ever get resolved, yet they are simply dropped a couple years later anyway.
>>545190489Your cars are world famous for being coveted by sand niggers and other nonwhites, and eastern untermenschen criminals, sit the fuck down and be humble you are a joke
People are still driving their 15+ year old Corollas because cars have been overall shit since 2010.
>>545190202They should just give up.
I'm currently studying and there is a horrifying amount of "educated" muslims with degrees in large german companies.And the ground floor productino has long been replaced by muslims. And jeets haven't arrived en masse (yet).Country is done for.
>>545190202>have kraut cars become overpriced pieces of overengeneerd junk, filled with unnecessary gimmiks>No, it's the windfarms faultmeanwhile Dacia is the best seller two years in a row.
>>545190202>AfD will save the automotive industryLmao, how? Your piece of shit ICE cars have no place in the future.
>>545190489>MUH China>it was real in my mind
>>545190202I know there’s better cars, but my first car was a 2006 audi A4. That was a great car as a college kid. Unfortunately I delivered food on the weekends and drove to classes through NYC roads so that thing was constantly in need of repairs, I think I've changed a tire like 10 times (it came with a full 5th spare with rim which I always do now because fuck dealing with spares or donuts that you have to go to a shop for in the immediate future).I don't even really follow cars anymore. I'm on lexus/Toyota forever now, but it killed me a little inside when I heard they got rid of the A4 line
>>545190202Wtf is this foid talking about? There is no ICE ban
>>545190489>China was heavily involved in pushing all the Green Deal shit.nope. they just made what the market wantedthe politicians were pushing all the green deal shit as an excuse to tax the shit out of the proleschina just called their bluff :)>They couldn't have competed with us on ICEs, well, they could, but it would've taken a couple extra decades>but they definitely can compete with us on EVswell, "competition" implies that you're in the game. you aren'tonly tesla and the koreans are competition>Because we do not have any head start there, and we don't have the resources to produce them either, we need to buy those from China.technically, europe absolutely has the resources and capabilitybut china has a, what, like 3 decade head start? they've been making batteries for various electronics since foreveralso much less in the way of environmental protection, tho that is ofc a bad thing, but it certainly keeps costs downthe real problem is that a long time ago, in a galaxy far away, the decision was made to allow western corps to outsource all their manufacturing, especially the dirty parts, to the 3rd world, china ofc being a main beneficiary.this was done to increase profits, and it worked brilliantly. stuff made in the 3rd world at 3rd world costs being sold to the 1st world for 1st world prices. yuuuuge profitsexcept ofc after a few decades of that, china realized they dont need the western corpos anymore, they can just make all the stuff themselves. they have the know how, they have the factories and the supply chains and everything. and now they're cutting the western corpos out of china, and competing with them in their home markets
>>545190202The problem is that German automotive started promoting native men by height circa 2010. HR wants them to look intimidating and in control in meetings. It doesn't matter whether they talk complete bullshit, as long as they pull a straight face.>>545190451It is almost as if consumer inflation does not measure inflation. Use M2 change.
YOU VILL BE DRIVEN BY UNRESELLABLE, BATTERY TINDERBOX MEME CARS, UND YOU VILL IMMOLATE>YOU VILL BE DRIVEN BY UNRESELLABLE, BATTERY TINDERBOX MEME CARS, UND YOU VILL IMMOLATEYOU VILL BE DRIVEN BY UNRESELLABLE, BATTERY TINDERBOX MEME CARS, UND YOU VILL IMMOLATE>YOU VILL BE DRIVEN BY UNRESELLABLE, BATTERY TINDERBOX MEME CARS, UND YOU VILL IMMOLATE
>>545190363You could part blame the cost of manufacture, of energy, of business, etc... but I'd bet the real reason is simply that these car companies still want to be the luxury car brands of the 90s as if the cost of living and economic rot hasn't companies obliterated their potential customer base.
>>545191153>the politicians were pushing all the green deal shit as an excuse to tax the shit out of the proles>china just called their bluff :)you're delusional mate. china aggressively lobbied for all the renewable energy and green deal shit, specifically because they knew it would massively benefit them by moving technology to an area where they can compete on even ground with the other nations.it was the smart move from their side, and it was an incredibly retarded one from our side to agree to it
>>545190489Maybe cheap ass 2x400 hp silent electric motor config is just better than ICE, package, NVH, dynamics from COG to control response times and complexity.>>545190633I would like to see the total tax quotas in these values. Not just officially named tax, disease insurance, U123, tax consulting, inflation tax, cost of government operations outsourced to the companies and workers, taxes on the products the workers need to survive, all of it.
>>545190932>Wtf is this foid talking about? There is no ICE ban2030? How long do you think it takes to develop and shift production to an entirely new technology? Do you really think they're going to wait until 2030 and then decide to start developing EVs?
Audi drivers tends to be dicks on the road, over here.Dunno why. People in BMW drive normal.
>>545191177>It is almost as if consumer inflation does not measure inflation. Use M2 change.>Inflation doesn't measure inflation. Please use some random measurement instead of the one that's directly fucking relevant to consumer retail, because, uh..
>>545190405Japan is also losing to China though
>>545190202>russian cunt with jeeta says thing
>>545191386Audi drivers are the eternal consoomers. Always playing status games like women, caused by a severe lack of testosterone. If you want them to stop being annoying little shits around you, buy a Bentley (but your socialist government took everything from you, so you can't). I recommend to move to a low tax country and become modestly rich. Life is so much better when you can keep the cattle at bay.
>>545190633This explain it perfectly. Even with cheap energy from russia, germany or any nation in the west cannot compete with the slaves in China unless the west wants to throw workers rights hard win over centuries in the bin just to enslave ourselves.I will not become a slave , get that idea out your head boss man.
>>545190202In the UK, the cheapest new Audi is the Audi A1 Sportback, which starts at £24,870
>>545191354>How long do you think it takes to develop and shift production to an entirely new technology?They could have done it by now if they just got with the times 10 years and not bank on paying politicians off until the last second. Adapt or die and they chose die.
>>545190202That's the same pattern as pic related:Attention grabbing bullshit, big promises, no possible plan to execute anything as promised.>energy costs (need to be) brough downHOW.>save automotive industryLmao.
>>545190672>Your piece of shit ICE cars have no place in the futurethe future is internal ammonia-hydrogen blend combustion via in-situ catalytic ammonia crackingbecause it's cheaper in terms of logistics and infrastructure, the fuel can be made from seawater, and it solves the hydrogen storage problem and the dependence on REE>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0360319926012504
>>545191457The cost is houses, energy, cars, soon autonomous robotic systems, in particular, the personal share of all existing assets. M2 lags a little, but it is a way better tool for this.My cost of food and TVs is not even 5% of my yearly spending, and I'm quite stingy.
>>545190433But I can fix my car you inept poor moron
>>545191744>t. never owned an Audi
>>545191543>move to a low tax countryI'm not moving from the land of my ancestors. It's currently a depressing taxation hell, but it can only get better.
>>545190202Good. Audi and BMW are for criminals, bosnians and migrants. I would rather walk than drive a german car.
>>545191521>nafotranny seethes at real woman
>>545190325Also why China propped up the market in the mean time lel.>Maybe they did it because they love us
>>545191777give me golf or give me death
A Chinese poster summed it up well here a while ago, when the Chinese consumer is buying a German car they're expecting it to actually be made by detail orientated, fastidious German autists. The *who* of it's creation is a factor too besides the costs of making it.The Europeans did away with all this, but wanted to keep charging ripoff prices because these companies absolutely *want* customers to think that's still happening when this absolutely isn't whose making the cars anymore. The Chinese merely asked "so why pay these prices?".Doesn't help either the likes of BMW want to tout "made in Germany" when they were sneakily importing raw battery cells from China via Hungary.
>>545190202> demand China decoupling> shit on China for years> finally Chinese stop buying German cars> act surprised when profit drops yeah no surprise here obvious from the very start why isn't Weidel pointing this out? Its another item in the long list of failures.
>>545191901the EU has kaja kallas talking about how china didn't "win" in ww2 and seeing how chinks just reacted with mboppy, they absolutely will not buy any major euroshit product because of these offenses. social credit loss o algo
AFD UBER ALLES
>>545190325Actually, your retarded comment is why Germany's economy is collapsing.
>>545190202>Alice Weideldoesn't she lick jeeta snizz?
>>545190325Yes he fall of VW has very much todo with their full blown retard shift to EV that none wants, its not the only fault but a big one
>>545190325Batteries and electric motors are extremely simple design wise, basically unchanged from 100 years ago, as oppossed to ICE which is inherently reciprocating and has been refined relentlessly from the moment of its invention. Chinks can't simply close that gap and compete with the italians, germans , japs and frogs. Wake me up once chinks are able to build a mass production road legal 10k rpm twin turbo engine like lamborghini does in their latest Temerario. That engine can withstand 11k rpms , probably reserved for more limited series versions
>>545190202>buy (((german))) car>miss or skip 1 (one) oil change/firmware update/maintenance check/etc.>car completely breaks downvs>buy japanese shitbox>proceed to use and abuse it for 40 years>runs like a dreamwow, I wonder why people aren't buying 80k bricks?
>>545192098Not just EVs, the software and wiring on my 2021 Golf is completely fucked and no mechanic seems able to fix it and I've already wasted thousands on diagnostics, swapping out sensors and the fucking ECU to no availI will never buy a VW again
>>545190202Good.
They stopped producing cars people want and can affordQuality is going downwards too especially in software, i don't know a single VW car (or audi) of the last 8 years that didnr have major bugs and shitty media
>>545190202Good, Germany has to die, i fucking hate Germans and French controlling Europe, they are behind the open border bullshit cuckoldry, their countries are filled with fucking niggers and muslims, in Germany they even have full Turkish ghettos, its pathetic, i bet the people designing all these new German cars that look hideous and disgusting are non-Germans
>>545192158Thats one of the main other reasons, quality gone downhill, prices gone up, none wants car that doesn't work and cost 50k for entry shit
>>545192193es ist vorbei
>>545190202BMW and Audis are a status symbol in turd world, I prefer Japanese cars anyways
>>545192057
>>545192261https://youtu.be/gJurNFcSkvQ
>>545190202The sanctions are working
>>545192361Well it's a common story here, a gypsy from any Balkan state goes to work in the west and lives like a fucking bug scrubbing toilets and doing menial labour for 10 years, he comes back and buys a brand new Skoda instead of a BMW and that day becomes an annual mourning day in his village
>>545190325germany is neither USA nor China, you are way behind and you was not positioned as "high tech" from the startin the past german/japanese goods were reliable just (like british before them), people thought that disciplined white artisans make them following all ritualsthen ZOG decided to monetize it making them shitty, people were still buying during last 20+ yearsworld moved ahead, you remaimed in the past and became brown
>>545190202good riddanceI want all boomer companies dead
>>545190325Apart from the political and socioeconomic reasons...EVs are insanely cheaper to develop than ICE vehicles.
>>545190202>AfD cuntWorthless traitor to Europe, I hope she gets shot as soon as possible. The reason Audi and other German car companies are struggling is because they refused to move with the times and technology and remained fixated on obsolete ICE vehicles. An ICE car is the same as a horse & buggy at the time when Ford's Model T hit the scene - thoroughly obsolete. The blame for this rests solely on the shoulders of the management and directors of Audi, VW and so forth. China has decisively won the automotive race by going all in on modern tech. The German car industry refused to modernize.
>>545191386VAG worshipers are low class. Atleast with bmw you still get a decent enough vehicle.
>>545192672Croats overwhelmingly favour ICE vehicles over EVs
>>545190202Why is that foid giving her opinions on anything, and why is the AfD not focusing on total migrant death?
Good. Maybe someone will finally realize that affordable gas powered k-cars are the future once again.
Hybrids are awesome and balance all concerns. No clue why we don't go harder on those.
>>545190202I can't imagine what the huge rise of costs of everything in Germany has to do with the Anti-Nazi tolerance of millions foreignerd, including jews, and the Trump planned and Biden executed ban on Russian exports of natural gas and destruction of the Russo-German gas pipelines.
The only g*rman car worth getting are BMWs and you better be ready to get buttfucked by a dealership for literally every single issue or routine maintenance.
>>545190672BMW enthusiasts don't buy anything else and that's all over the world. Germany might end up just building M, AMG and RS cars and leaving the boring shit to China.
>>545192130>Batteries and electric motors are extremely simple design wise, basically unchanged from 100 years ago, as oppossed to ICE which is inherently reciprocatingWell there's the problem. Better technology always wins in the long run. Nobody wants to do oil changes and replace drive belts and shit. Babysitting your car is boomer tier behavioral sink.
>>545193164This. Pretty much the only thing holding EVs back at this point is charging related.
>>545190202Fucking Russians did this.
>>545190325Chinese luxury electric car = 30k$German electric car with shitty electronics and poorly made parts = 100k$ + tip
>>545192732the vast majority of europe does, except places like norway where ice is effectively banned (its not actually banned, just taxed to oblivion, which is the same thing)for an EV to make sense for you, you need to be able to charge at home. this isn't just a cost thing, tho that is definitely a factor, its mostly a convenience thing. a 20-30min charging stop in the middle of a trip, after you've already driven for 3-4 hours, is not a problem.you were gonna stop anyway for coffee/bathroom/lunch/stretching your legs/etc. at worst, having an EV adds another 10 mins to that stop. hardly the end of the world, especially considering most people only do long road trips a couple times a year.but if you can't charge at home, that 20-30min charging stop is a weekly thing. or twice, or thrice weekly, depending on commute length etc. so its after work, you wanna go home to cook/relax/see your wife/kids/whatever, but no, you have to go out of your way to a charger, hope there's no line (every person in front of you = +20-30mins of wait), charge, and then go homewhich is obviously a huge deal breaker for everyoneand guess who can't charge at home? why, everyone who lives in apartment buildings. and europe is pretty big on apartment living, especially in cities. we do have suburbs like the americans, but its much rarer.so, yea, the german industry dying is not about EVs. they've lost that fight too, but that's not what's killing them in europeinstead its hybrids: -toyota hybrids that have a (deserved) reputation for indestructability, unlike german ones that by now everyone knows are disposable leasemobiles-and ofc, chinese hybrids, which everyone assumes are disposable just like the german shit, but at least they're WAY cheaper and WAY better equipped. just tons more car for the money. and they have long warranties too.
>>545190325>killing automotive industry with the CE ban>destroying nuclear energy infrastructure because "muh environment"all military objectives in a war btw, and you're letting leftists do it from within
>be Audi>design the most complicated engines of all>add weight everywhere, including weight upon weight>mount as far forward of the front axel as possible>start going under after making piece of shit cars for decadesEuro car industry is a disgrace. These morons can't even design cars anymore, and they're put together by turks and other assorted shit people.
>>545192933>Hybrids are awesome and balance all concerns. No clue why we don't go harder on those.They aren't FOR electric, anonThey are AGAINST freedom
>>545192231Yeah and the bmw and Audi will still be running 10-15 years later. Chinese piece of shit will be toast with 0 parts availability and will be completely worthless. Also where is the s-class in that comparison?
>>545190325No one is really buying EV's overall. Stupid cunt.And no one is and especially buying German EV's.Your country is quickly going down the pan, go worship some more shitskins and kikes.
>>545191252>I'd bet the real reason is simply that these car companies still want to be the luxury car brands of the 90sIt's not that they WANT to, it's that the only value their brand has left is the dying perception that they still are a luxury brand that some boomers hold. They're incapable of making products that appeal to other markets, and it's not even just China's fault. Chinese cars are banned in America yet still there's not a single European car in the top 25 most popular vehicles.
>>545192231Retarded video, where is the video of them going fast around a corner, fucking idiot.
>>545196450>>545197062the cope brigade has arrived kek
>>545197398Fucking cum guzzling prisoner of mother England cock sucker. Hop into you Jaecoo and drive off a cliff you bitch
>>545190202I drive a 2 year old vw caddy at work. Beeps over everything, constantly fighting lane assist, auto start stop, every setting reset when turn the car on. The worst is the climate control on the touch screen. I will never buy an European car.
>>545190633Atleast the german goverment can give them allmost free energy to conpensate. Build fucking nuclear reactors and start goving energy for free. Use the money that goes to immigrant for the reactors. Kick out the parasites, germany will thrive again.
>>545190785They’re great cars and the interior is awesome.
>>545190202Seeing all the electric car shills freaking out in here is wild. They seem to be entirely missing the points. I’d buy an electric vehicle but it would have to fulfill some conditions>I am literally never paying extra for electric/hybrid/electric-adjacent-features. It is your job to manufacture and price a car to be appealing to me and not my job to want an electric car because you want me to want it>The car needs to not look like a faggot NPRmobile. You know exactly what I’m talking about>If I am going to be buying a luxury model German car or some other such expensive item, I have no particular desire for it to be electric at all. Too many screens all the time. screens screens screens. ipads in every corner of visionFix these problems and I’d buy one. Until then get bent.
>>545197760Yes buy Chinese cars. Sell out your continent and your people. Disregard the fact that Chinese cars are mobile spying hubs listening and recording everything to sent back to china to be analyzed and processed for intelligence purposes. Hopefully you work for government so they can buttfuck your country into oblivion.
>>545198093>memeflag resorts to hyperbolic binarity
>>545193516And here we have commercials where they ask you to not all turn on the dishwasher at the same time because the net wouldnt handle it. Now how are we gonna charge all those future teslas at night?It isnt even possible even if you would want to. In the mean time ill drive my vw 1.4 turbo petrol that can go 1000km on a tank.
>>545190202>paying 80k+ for a fucking vw
Good riddance, fuck cars and fuck boomers, go cry about it carbrain. Turn another field into a parking lot to celebrate you demonic unnatural locust boomgroids devouring everything
>>545197978german manufacturers have become very arrogant over the years. thery think you should roll out a red carpet when they sell you a car and that its a privilege to give them money. i know wagies at BMW and they are completely delusional. they think they are selling DeLoreans from back to the future
>>545191794
>>545198151The truth of the matter there is grave security concerns with Chinese cars that have already been uncovered, notably by researchers in Australia and there are bans implemented on Chinese vehicles entering secure installations. If you don’t think so, cool. It doesn’t change the fact.
>>545198223Hell yeah, parking lots are great for parking my 23 foot behemoth. Kys faggot
>>545198313>grave security concernsyup, boomie is concerned about his financial security kek
>>545190202Cars were too freeing to the citizensThey cant have that kind of mileage
>>545198334lmao, gottem. Another car toddler crying
>>545192219But your sure love our gibs, whatever you are.
>>545198235It’s absolutely insane how hard they try to force shit where it doesn’t belongEVs are still pretty faggy in most cases. That’ll probably change with time but for now they’re just not cool and again, too many screens.But you know what would be super cool as an EV right fucking now? Motorcycles. That noise they’d make. The torque/acceleration. The battery size to vehicle size ratio is more ideal. The ability for auto shifting.But i’ve never seen an electric motorcycle on the road in real life, ever.
>>545198449Cry harder poorfag
>>545198151>>545198151Ad hominems about flags are pissweak. My flag is gadsen, read about what that means you shitskin.
>>545198548Because it doesn't make sense. It's like building an electric horse and carriage. Motorbikes are ridiculously unsafe. It's grotesque how dangerous it is to ride them. People who use a motorcycle do so out of necessity, not because they like le lifestyle or whatever. Only boomers are that insane and their time is up
>>545198385How far did you stick your Chinese made dragon dildo up your ass today?
>>545198785Kek I didn’t say I’d ride one, just that it would be a cooler product than the cars they try to pump out and they could at least make it look much more appealing to the danger seeking insanefags because it actually would at least look cool.
>>545198611lmao, thanks for the admission that it's a colossal waste of money when only rich people can afford your cucky boomermobile. I accept your concession
>>545198785Motorcycles are so fucking fun, as long as you don’t drink and ride you are pretty safe. It’s like 80-90% of motorcycle deaths have alcohol involved
>>545190587One day arabs will slaughter you in front of your commie block and I will be laughing.
>>545198859You are one dumb mother fucker
>>545198859>I accept your concession You are funny Hans, not cool but funny
>>545190665>meanwhile Dacia is the best seller two years in a row.the slav gets it. Many people want a simple, affordable car but because our big companies are divorced from reality thanks to government handouts and years of cheap financing they don't sell those anymore. It's all about price, people are debt saturated and can't take our $50k loan for a regular vehicle anymore
>>545191246What alarmed the guy 2 seconds before the explosion? Did he realize he fucked something up?
>>545198920All those drunkies would still be alive if they had used a car while drinking. It's not the alcohol, it's the mode of transportation they chose. But i'm not complaining. At least theres less chance of killing someone else on a motorcycle
>>545199101As we all know, drunk drivers never get hurt in a car and never hurt anyone else with a car.
>>545198960>>545198975>No argument>muh funny maymaysI accept your concession again you illiterate mutts kek also don't talk to me with that memeflag you homosexual, know your place
>>545198093>chinks will listen to my trve kvlt bmmaybe they can learn something
>>545199151Yeah that's totally what I said you literal toddler kek
>>545198920motorcycles are the best organ donor machines ever invented.
>>545199204Just another seething poor euro. God it’s sad.
>>545190325The chinese are also building combustion engines. Even high end V12 stuff. Audi is making 4k € on selling a 90k € Q7. Out of the 90k € more than 10k € are CO2 fines, which they have to pay to the EU. Which they do not have to pay if they build their cars in the US. Which they are planing to do.
>>545199286>going in a circle back to the start of the argument because he has nothing else, even if he already got BTFOMost normal boomertoddler
>>545199383I’m younger than you. Just glad I don’t have the peasant mentality of a euro
>>545199349Where do I sign up? I know German. I want my employee discount.
>>545199204Ayo hol’ up*smacks lips*So what u saying*hits blunt*So what you are saying eat ze bugs, drive ze Chinese car, own nothing and be happy?Shieeeeeeet
>>545199421>the euros are the peasants, not the fat brown corn syrup fed mystery meat 56% muttsIf you're such a non-peasant why does a hospital visit cost as much as a new car where you live? Topkek
>>545199613>gets told to know his place>acts like a niggerAt least you understand simple instructions. There might be hope for you yet. You can do menial labor. Assemble car parts or something. Nigger
>>545199349V12 and high end stuff? Like the red fag limo? Cool (if you have the aesthetic tastes of Dr Evil)
>>545199706>poor european has to fall back on healthcare argument.You have nothing in life
>>545199811A Chinese car just flew over my house
>>545190325Audi is collapsing because their cars are now shut-tier and the service is even worse.
>>545190202We ban all internal combustion engines, IN GERMANY!
>>545199933>has no argument and hasn't adressed the previous argument eitherProjection. I have nothing in life? Whoa, easy there lmao. That's almost poetic. Calm down tiger, take it down a notch. Why so dramatic? I didn't mean it burger, stop crying
>>545200170Its well known euros are poor as fuck, stop being stupid. You have nothing like an average euro.
>>545190202Haha Tesla go ZOOOOOOOMfuck gas cucks
>>545190202good, fuck cars. take the bus nigga
>>545197944Wtf are you talking about?
audeez nuts
>>545200278>still cryingkek, you burgerboomies are more sensitive than I thought
>>545198161>It isnt even possiblesource: dude trust me
>>545194299I drive an A6 C6 from 2010Thats a good car, luxurious and beautiful as well. And not expensive to maintain in europe imo
>>545190325Yes, that's exactly why they build EVs, because they know they can sell them in countries that ban combustion engines.
>>545190202I don't think people can afford cars anymore. Cars are gonna become a thing of the past because gas is too expensive. The car itself is also too expensive and they make you pay insurance which is too expensive, and do maintenance which is too expensive. So really having a car is only for rich people who make half a billion dollars a year.
>>545198411Pretty much THIS. It's all about THIS. having the possibility to go 1000 kms with a full tank is unacceptable to the elites pushing 15 min cities. That's the real incentive behind electric cars shilling
>>545201381If that's the case, they should try the carrot instead of the stick. Give me cash rewards for NEETing at home and never going anywhere.
>>545191459Toyota invested heavily in hybrids, which make sense as they're economical and you don't have to worry about range, but our government shat on them and lumped hybrids in with the ICE ban. Fucking worthless cretins, the lot of them.
>>545190363Why would you talk such nonsense?
>>545190325China will dominate the EV market and there is nothing you can do about that. Your best hope is appeal to the ICE market. You must be one of those retarded slavic rape baby "germans" because you are fucking stupid.
>>545190325Germany collapses because of retards like you. Holy fuck neck yourself asap.
Have they considered lowering their prices? Maybe through a more comprehensive state ownership plan that turns Audi from a profit-making enterprise into one which provides goods for the German people
>>545191457inflation metrics are based on arbitrary baskets of goods determined by the (((central bank))) and the contents within in the basket are subject to change at each inflation reading so yes inflation is a shit metric you stupid halfbreed anglo
>>545199022Probably loud hissing or popping or maybe the smell of death incoming.
>>545201328>>545201977I fucking hate zoomers, your whole generation is so fucking stupid.
what do you mean? you dont wanna spend 70,000 for this??? bmw audi are finished they must have complete retarded faggot niggers and women doing their design now
>>545190672They have a place in Portugal. At least for the next half of eternity. Certainly for the the rest of my life. I don't need to worry.
>>545202093It pains me as a BMW fan what they have done to their entire lineup, we went from beautiful kidney grills and sleek mid 2000s aero design to these fucking ugly pig nose things. All to appeal to the Chinese market who will happily throw them to the side to purchase from their own domestic industry, all while alienating western buyers. I need to find a clean mid 2010s BMW with low miles before they are all gone, I will never purchase the pig nose bullshit. Shit like this is why these companies are failing.
>>545190325It's not the EV transition, and it's not the combustion engine ban.Audi makes terribly ugly cars.So does BMW.The price for Audis is far too high for the quality they offer and the design being hideous doesn't help.These artsy designerfags across the entire automotive industry have no idea what a beautiful car should look like, trying to insert their own ideas into the product instead.That's where the absolutely disgusting pastel interiors are coming from in that Faguar and some new French cars. Someone decided it looks happy and interesting. I think it looks distracting and like it will get filthy far too quickly.Just like how every car now has touchscreen dashboards. I don't want that, I want analogue dials and manual buttons and switches you can rely on.Audi are upselling that substandard feature for a tonne too much money however.No fucking wonder their profits tanked. Shit cars at shit prices.
>>545201791Most people need the external stimuli a wage job grants. The commuting, the office coffee, the have-your-lunch-with-your-colleagues it's all they've ever known. So yes, they will buy the teslas to commute and go to the goymarket, though not for such a long distance. They want their goys in the coop
>>545191604Without those 'upperclass' infotainment and driving assistance systems, that nobody needs for shopping groceries once in a week, it could be way under 20k.
>>545191386It's because nafris can't afford the beamer tax (maintenance) and Audi developed the more aggressive marketing strategy that makes nafris feel more manly and successful for driving one.BMW drivers used to be the colossal tards who couldn't let go of the throttle all day until the brand started engineering problems into the cars so the dealers can generate more repair revenue.They all moved to Audi, ambitioning RS models.
>>545202027What exactly did you get offended about? All I said was people are too poor to afford cars during Great Depression 2.0. That statement is just obviously true and shouldn't be controversial at all. I kind of joked with an exagerated number but that's just for fun.
>>545202830Publicly traded companies need that profit margin.A private carmaker could produce the same vehicle and sell it at half the price for a profit.
>>545192009Es zittern die morschen KnochenDer Welt vor dem roten KriegWir haben den Schrecken gebrochenFür uns war´s ein großer SiegWir werden weiter marschierenWenn alles in Scherben fälltund heute gehört uns DeutschlandUnd morgen die ganze WeltUnd mögen die Spießer auch scheltenso lasst sie nur toben und schreinund stemmen sich gegen uns Weltenwir werden doch Sieger seinUnd liegt vom Kampfe in Trümmerndie ganze Welt zu Haufdas soll uns den Teufel kümmernwir bauen sie wieder auf
>>545202964That's incredibly true. They make kit super-cars. For $10,000 you can build something that looks and performs like a 150,000 dollar sports car. But you have to build it yourself.
>>545202027They're not wrong.There's loads of content on social media of young people showing what $1 bought in the 1930s, only to say that it actually would've been 70 or 60 cents at the time, with the comments showing "we can't even afford half of that with $15 today".If you're an economist and all you're looking at are spreadsheets from official sources, you fail to observe the economic reality for 80% of the market.Food prices doubled and never came down in price since lockdown.Wages did not.Fuel prices here went up from €1,80 per litre to €2,70 which is about $10 per gallon. Wages didn't grow to compensate.Our minimum wage is €15 per hour, sure, but 84 cents per euro is tax at the end of the day. That means the practical net minimum wage, the discretionary minimum income, is €2,40 per hour.That means if we reduce taxes to 42 cents on the euro, we double everyone's purchasing power here.We went to war with the Spanish for 80 years over a tax of 10 cent per Florin spent. This frog boiled extremely slowly.
>>545190202>destroy the middle class>poor people cant afford luxury cars>rich people turn their nose and want sports carsOOPS UH OH
>>545192732Not only them.Buying, owning, driving an ICE car is much MUCH lower TCO for most people that just don't make the required mileage to ever amortize an EV.
>>545192057I wonder how much snizzat she gains per lick?
>>545196345Yes, they don't allow us to choose what we prefer to buy.They don't allow the forces of the market to decide what is practical and economic.They push unproven and unprovable narratives that must not be questioned to justify their Commie style command economy.
>>545198548> But i’ve never seen an electric motorcycle on the road in real life, ever.At least half of the fun of riding a motorcycle is the sound and vibration of a burner under your ass.
>>545190202> Make shit throwaway trash> Get sabotaged by EU regulation making new cars undesirable and also banning them eventually> Destroy drivers license> Destroy enthusiasm for carsIndustry goes bankrupt.How surprising.
>>545199349> 10k € are CO2 fines, which they have to pay to the EU.You can't hate the EU enough. This stupid nonsense has to end.
>>545190202ah yes company sneakily repricing held stocks to announce net loss to cuck labour unions in ongoing restructuring negotiations is proof of business failing...
>>545190202Thank God. I wish we could abort all VAG cars from the roads
>>545190325That lesbian is full of shit.
You'll own nothing and be very happy, forgot about it?Everything is getting destroyed by the kikes wherever you look, but yeah>Kekeke, fuck the GermansFirst of all it was the best idea to do this tech transfer shit to build and sell "German" cars in China which showed the chinks how to build cars. >>545190489 is right when he says the chink can't compete in ICE cars, but he can do so in software driven EV shitboxes and that's just what he does thanks to the Germans who showed them how to build cars they also do this on par with the German manufacturers and in the SW sphere went to the moon in comparison. Thanks for the boomers who thought the show of the 2010's would go on forever.No one wanted EV shitboxes, me neither, but the current Iran war is driving people towards shitboxes and the longer it takes the more you ask yourself if it isn't a reasonable choice to maybe consider an EV shitbox as 2nd car for when they start the shit show after the midterms again and oil may hit 200$Aside from that it's dirty EU kikes trying to demobilize the pleb with their green new deal bullshit agenda, whereas the rest of the world moved on and doesn't give a fuck about muh CO2.Problem is also that we can't compete with chinks salaries, like >>545190633 pointed out. This means that production HAS to be outsourced and Audi's US factory is a first step towards that, even though the US is a high loan land.But in the future you're gonna see production getting outsourced from Germany to eastern european countries more and more to keep up with chink salaries but my guess is that it's over in the long term if they don't turn around their green policy bullshit and also undoing lots of bullshit laws of the past years which make cars annoying to drive like all the (((safety))) features and whatnot and turn back the emission standards to Euro5.Fuck the kikes
>>545190202German cars were good 30 years ago. But that was 30 years ago. Then they created plastic engine components and engineered their cars into pure retarded slop.
>>545198730Kill yourself memeflaggot
>>545205679AI will solve this
>>545191772>step 1: put the car on the service position>(remove the front half of the car)
>>545200601Im talking about germany must build new nuclear reactors to win
>>545201811The 2030 phase out? Hybrids can be sold until 2035.That's not what's hurting Jap automakers anyway, most of the Chinese EV gains have been in Asian countries with limited or no incentives to buy EVs over hybrids. Chinese cars are mostly just cheaper.
>>545200777No, litterally our powergrid cant handle it at the moment. 14000 new companies are on a waiting list to get hooked up to the grid.All the grid is too old for all the power thats needed to charge EVs. We need thicker cables better transformers. Just like most of europe btw.The whole elctrification of transports is a fairy tale
>buying a car that will throttle your engine and disable your heated seats if you don't pay a monthly subscription I'm looking for a new car and I didn't even consider a European brand outside of Volvo to be honest, was pretty clear from the get-go that it'd have to be Chinese. The only ones I considered even less were American ones (lol lmao)
>>545207450Volvo is chinese so it doesnt count anymore. You sold your soul
>>545207424Siemens energy has a backlog of orders for years to make new shit for europe and usa. It cant make shit fast enough for the demand.
>>545190325Schwachkopf! Combustion engine cars are by FAR the most energy efficient and cost-effective type of car.EVs are a fine technology - but they make no economic sense unless you pretend electricity magically spawns from the socket.
i for one am glad about thisfor far too long megacorpos have outsourced and enshittified products because it made economic sense for them and their shareholdersnow theyre crying that /we/ have abandoned them, don't buy their jeetslop, and that they want help to ban their competitioni say you dug your own grave, now lie in it
>>545190202>Nation vassalized by the Jewish protectorate USA>Industry fails>Everything becomes brown and gayOh what?
What's up jews?
>>545190202This thread made me so angry I went outside and worked on my VW piece of shit. Fuck you Germans!
>>545190202>overpriced electric cuckmobilesWrong. It's because people do want EVs but german manufacturers thought they could get away with token bullshit while still making gas-guzzlers.They're losing out to EVs, not other cars.
>>545211297German ICE vehicles sucked balls for the last two decades anyways. Chinese EVs are great for what they are, as light commuter vehicles. >>545209129EVs suck but you can make them cheaper than an ICE vehicle and when your country doesn't have its own oil supply you're more insulated from supply shocks. Since they run off of electricity you can power them with anything instead of having to acquire oil. This is the actual reason why the Chinese state went all in on EVs, they did not want their people acquiring the same gasoline price fixation that westoids have.
>>545197398I like driving and driving fast with a car that handles well.Cope bus fag.
>>545191459No Japanese car sales are remaining consistent with a tiny growth for most brands. Main loser was Nissan (but that's because they're retarded).
>>545191153>this was done to increase profits,It was done to increase profits. It was allowed in order to hollow out the west and increase the precarity of the American worker.
>>545190202Buying German in 2026 is like thinking jeets solve your problems.it's just fucking retarded.
>>545191386It's because middle aged office women love Audis. And they're the biggest bitches to exist on the road.
>>545190325China is national socialist country and they buy and love what Xitler orders them to
>>545191459>Japan is also losing to China though
>>545190625>Your cars are world famous for being coveted by sand niggers and other nonwhites, and eastern untermenschen criminals, sit the fuck down and be humble you are a jokeThey are coveted by sand niggers because back in the 1970s and 1980s, german cars were made with engines and gearboxes that lasted forever, and in salt free dry environments they ran for a million miles on the odometer. Instead of making rust resistant chassis, the germans decided to import american business thinking and concluded that their engines and gearboxes were too good relative the quality of their chassis, so they started making low quality engines and gearboxes to match the rest of the car. The reputation of german cars among sandniggers will disappear once the oldest generation of sandniggers die off and there is no one left who remembers when german cars ran forever and ever across the deserts of turkey, iraq, saudi arabia and more, because now they are designed to die properly after a set service life, so that you are forced to buy another car. Incorporating planned obsolescence in your business model is the death of any company. German cars compete in the low quality segment but at premium prices because of the brand. If the germans had decided to compete only in the high quality segment, their car industry would be smaller, but it would not be under the threat of extinction.
>>545190489This. Every idiot in the thread is ignoring this post.
>>545191263>china aggressively lobbied for all the renewable energy and green deal shit,No they did not. All that comes from America. Its american billionaries and USAID that are founding all the green shit across Europe. Their idea was to trash Euro industry and have it move operations to America but instead they managed to trash Euro industry and lose their own industry to the chinks as well as give the european market to the chinks. German cars were great up until the 1990s when euro carmarkers started joint ventures or were bought up by american car markers. Then quality quickly imploded as american business practices and american design practices were imported directly from the inventors of planned obsolescene and quarterly report planning.
>>545197944>Build fucking nuclear reactorsNo one knows how to build them anymore. Only France and Russia has like 2 companies building new plants in Europe and they're all fully scheduled until the 2050's. Sweden wants to build 2 new plants but that will never happen.Finland recently finished a new nuclear plant which took them like 10 years to build with the help of France.
>>545190202>>>>German auto industry explodes due to extremely well built reliable cars Zero real plans other than lets keep money pumping Oh wait making really good cars fucks us long term let's make everything break and cheap and make even more profit its proven people just buy buy buy>paved the entire basis of the industry on infinite endless growth : meaning people will always buy our plumbing quality and risises prices Boy did that go belly up Rip for a legend
>>545191457>>Inflation doesn't measure inflation. Please use some random measurement instead of the one that's directly fucking relevant to consumer retail, because, uh..Official inflation numbers doesnt measure inflation because of hedonistic adjustments and substitution. The inflation magicked away this way instead turns into "GNP growth". In reality the western world have had falling GNP for decades, decreasing by 1-3% per year, and rapidly falling GNP per capita due to mass immigration. Wonder why America got its ass kicked in Iran? Look under the hood and you find that the USN and USAF are operating on a fraction of their budget in 1986, measured in dollars adjusted for the real rate of inflation. America lost because it has become real world poor despite having more dollars than ever. UK is no different. The consequences for the UK after the coming losses in the ukrainan and iranian wars will be disastrous in ways you cant understand.
>>545191593>Even with cheap energy from russia, germany or any nation in the west cannot compete with the slaves in China unless the west wants to throw workers rights hard win over centuries in the bin just to enslave ourselves.It has nothing to do with workers. China is simply more robotized. Cheap energy + tons of robots -> worker wages arent that important any more. The americans dropped out of the upgrade race first, they are still stuck with factories from the 50-60s. Europe stopped upgrading its factories in the 1990s after the american invasion and plundering. The chinks have state of the art factories from the 2020s. Thats why they are competitive. So does the japanese and koreans. Thats why their cars are everywhere and your car brands are found in the museum of industrial history. I advise you to study the decline and fall of the american steel industry.
its all part of the plan
>>545190489>All they saw were the profits they can hypothetically make if This is the story of every female run or jewish owned brand in the west; 3rd order thought is never on the menu.Good post
>>545190363utter retarded liesall these threads are astroturfed by malding lying chinks like you
>>545213800what utter retarded horseshit
>>545214233>euro carmarkers started joint ventures or were bought up by american car markerno german car maker was ever bought up by americansall your posts are retarded horseshit like this
>>545192231Is this technology meant to enable you to pass speedbumps at high speed? Also, in some places in Europe there are little ridges at the edge of the road, they are meant to shake the car to wake you up if you fall asleep while driving. This technology effictively negates both speedbumps and alarm ridges.
>>545215991It will simply not make it because active control will not last on everyday ride. Citroen done it in 80' decade and it was a desaster in maintenance.
>>545190451Volvo has the same issue at this point.
>>545194311>for an EV to make sense for you, you need to be able to charge at home. this isn't just a cost thing, tho that is definitely a factor, its mostly a convenience thing.Its not possible to replace ICE cars with EVs just like that because that would also require an entirely new HVDC power grid that would distribute enormous amounts of electricity to every part of every city in the country. People do not realize that batteries do not produce energy, they only store energy, and they thus only replace the fuel tank, not the fuel. It means that the energy to power these cars would have to come from power plants, and also that this would require a massive new powergrid as well as a massive investment in power plants because if you want to charge a 20KWH battery in 1 hour you would need a 20 KW power hookup. That would be 180 ampere for a 110 V american. The national power spike when everyone comes home after work and starts to charge their car while also turning on the TV and cooking dinner would be enormously much larger than today because all the energy in the gasoline and diesel that wasnt used for propulsion has to be offset by electricity generated by giga power plants. The greens think this can be done with windmills and solar panels. They are completely deranged.The real purpose of the EV change is to remove car transportation from the plebs.
>>545191246The only bad part about batteries is that their fire is hard to extinguish. But in general, combustion engine vehicles has a higher rate of catching on fire than electrical vehicles.
>>545199022>What alarmed the guy 2 seconds before the explosion? Did he realize he fucked something up?Its not a guy, its a girl with her long hair in a knot, and you can see tiny flames or sparks before the pipe bursts.
>>545190363Wait till you see what the radiation levels inside EVs do to the fertility system. There is a reason the Tesla logo is a styalised fallopian tube; they're going to make people infertile and needing lab grown humans. That is the end goal of the Luciferians technocracy. All of Elons children are IVF.
>>545215824>what utter retarded horseshitGo and read a history book you atlanticist retard.
>>545216611this retardation again?peak draw from a lvl2 home charger is about the same as having all your major household electronics turned on at once. and yes, a lvl2 charger is all you need. shit, even a plain 220v AC washer outlet would be fine. in other words, your home's electrics can handle it, *provided you charge at night while you sleep*. which you would, because cheaper electric.and which ofc is trivially easy to do, every EV supports that function. and if you can find one that doesn't, well, still no biggie. get one of those outlet timers and you're set. outside the house, it gets hairier, but not unreasonable. you house's electrics ARE specced to handle such loads, but the neighborhood transformer assumes a certain amount of staggeringie it can't really handle the *entire* neighborhood drawing peak load at the same time, because it doesn't have to. normally, not everyone turns their oven AND their TV AND their washing machine AND their vacuum, in every house, at the same time. individual houses can handle it, but the neighborhood level infra assumes not everyone does it at the same time. which would be a problem if everyone switched to EVs *tomorrow*, but not if its a gradual process taking a decade or 2. that leaves plenty of time to upgradeon the grid scale, its not that problematic either. again, its assumed that you'll be charging your EV at night, when all household electrics are off, all offices are shut down, etc etcaka, when there is plenty of spare capacityso, overall, its not a biggiewe'll need to do some upgrading on the neighborhood level, but we have a couple decades to make it happen. not an issue.
>>545217764see here, you chinese nigger>>545215903thats all that needs to be said about your bullshit posts
>>545192672utter liesgerman car companies are among the leaders in EVsthe Volkswagen group to which Audis belongs is by far the biggest Ev maker in Europeyou have zero idea what youre babbling about
>>545192732these arent croats or swedes youre talking totheyre all foreign agents pushing talking points
>>545215903>no german car maker was ever bought up by americans>all your posts are retarded horseshit like this"joint ventures or were bought up". Mercedes merged with GM in 1998. Ford-Volkswagen joint venture etc. The importation of american business culture and the parasite mindset started in earnest in the 1990s. Swedens car industry was bought by Ford (Volvo) and GM (Saab), then value extracted, and the carcasses were either sold to China (Volvo) or scuttled (Saab).
>>545218163nigger please.everyone knows the only reason germans sell anything anymore is because corpo leasingoh, and arabs who still value the badge. they're slow on the uptake, you see.
>>545218326your car industry is literally dying chink
>>545218219noone gives a fuck about the sweish "car industry"stop shitting up the thread, you worthelss nigger
>>545218406lol tiananmen square (spelling?), chinks eat dogs and cats, uuuhh, liveleak is the bestsomeone post the copypasta, i dont have it.
>>545217979>shit, even a plain 220v AC washer outlet would be fine.Yeah if you want to spend the entire night partially charging your car battery so you can go back and forth to your job next day. Now imagine that every household in your area also does the same. Its retarded people like you that are driving the green scam because you are unable to understand basic mathematics. I have met plenty of green believers who did not understand the difference between kilowatt and kilowatthours even after I explained it to them.
>>545218528at least, youre self aware chinkchinese cars are utter trash
>>545218487>noone gives a fuck about the sweish "car>industry">stop shitting up the thread, you worthelss nigger90% of your car industry will be gone in 10 years you stupid ass atlanticist.
>>545218717not, if we tariff the shit out of chink carswhich we will doand should have done 10 yers ago
>>545190489Good post. But why are you so confident it was primarily the car manufacturers? I would have assumed they were getting strong armed by kikes writing your regulations and the dumb yes-men npc's who go along with them. Then again I'm sure you have more insight into the situation. I could see GM being that retarded and greedy but would have thought that VW group just tried to take the greediest option they had instead of actively lobbying for that.Like you said, it's insanely dumb when you consider most lithium is from Chinese strip mines and there was already a long history of seeing companies get screwed by the whole 51% partnership thing. RIP to those old diesels and turbo diesels and that 2.5 inline 5 from VW
>>545218552>Yeah if you want to spend the entire night partially charging your car battery so you can go back and forth to your job next day.yea, which is exactly what everyone needsyou're not gonna be draining a 300 mile range batt *every day*even in the US, a 60 mile commute is on the high end. in europe, its not even close, the vast majority are intercity commutes in the 20-30km range.in other words, you don't even need lvl, even a 220v socket is more that adequate.consult picrel for exact math, courtesy of chatgpt. it assumes 3miles/kWhr, which is pretty typical nowadays.>Now imagine that every household in your area also does the same.as i clearly mentioned, the house and the grid have the capacity, the neighborhood level infra will need to be upgraded slightlywhich we will have more than enough time to do, because not everyone will buy an EV tomorrow, it'll take atleast a couple of decades to approach 100% EV penetration.
>Electric Mercedes G-Class base model: 148k EUR>Electric Xpeng G9L with every single bell and whistle: 89k EURboth produced at the same Factory btw (Magna Steyr in Graz), so the wage and subsidy arguments go out the window. Sounds more like the german car makers simply need to come to terms with the fact they aren't the cool kid on the block anymore and actually have to compete, which means lowering their prices
>>545218911and you would be correctthe german car makers didnt voluntarily give up their ICE car factoriesthat was pushed by politics and the mediasome day I want to know how many are in the pockets of the chinkswho knows, maybe the chinks even bought the car executives
>>545219048no, we will just get rid of chink cars, which we should have done ten yeas agotheir quality is crap anywayand they subsidize their industry
>>545198548Lol, a lot of motorcycle riders specifically get certain bikes BECAUSE of the noise and being able to rev it out.The main avenue for mass adoption of electric is just via hybrids, but the rulers want everyone either without personal transportation, or in something they can have complete control over.Hybrids would be a lot nicer if you had the option of getting them in non-cvt's without spending a ton of money.Aside from the noise, you can't really repair a cvt so you're just looking at getting another transmission. Not really worth the extra 10-12% extra fuel economy.And then in the US they tell you that you never have to replace the transmission fluid in cvt's... (but in Japan they say do it every 50k km) These manufacturers are so used to the fat margins they've been making and catering to boomers first and foremost, I wonder what they'll do when they finally have to come to terms that a their lowest trim sedan (which they hardly even produce) can't be costing $32k or whatever before sales tax.Just looking at old prices of new vehicles in 2000-2005 relative to median wages is totally nuts compared to the past 10 years
>>545219614>or in something they can have complete control over.that is entirely independent of the drivetrain. EV or ICE, there's an ECU calling the shots. locked or not, internet capable or not, etc etcthe only way out is an older vehicle, which ofc would mean ICEbut its not the ICEness of it that makes it safe from external control, its the oldness. >Hybrids would be a lot nicer if you had the option of getting them in non-cvt's without spending a ton of money.bullshittoyota's e-CVT is by far the best option. not only proven bulletproof, but it gives you the benefit of a real CVT (which it isn't) without the drawbacks>Aside from the noise,yea, that part sucks, agreed 100%if you want to enjoy car noises, do not get a cvt. or e-cvt.in general, if you want to enjoy driving for the sake of driving get a manual.not a hybrid, not an EV, an ICE with a manual. preferably naturally aspirated, preferably RWD>you can't really repair a cvtwhat? ofc u canits going to cost more than repairing a manual, but its definitely doable>Not really worth the extra 10-12% extra fuel economy.sure it is, if its a commutemobile. its not if its a sports car, obviously.and its not just 10-12%. that's just the theoretical benefit just from cvt vs manual in practice, going from non-hybrid to full hybrid (as opposed to that mild hybrid shit the germans often use just to put a hybrid badge on the thing) is worth around 50% savings.source: i have personal experience from a very recent 1.0tsi kamiq (that's a skoda b segment crossover, for the burgers), which manages around 10-11 l/100km in urban driving. toyota hybrids easily manage less than 5. the yaris manages less than 4.>These manufacturers are so used to the fat marginsyea, the market is very much overdue a HUGE correction. when the boomers are gone, shit's gonna get WILD.
>>545190202Nobody wants to buy krauts overpriced pieces of shit anymore. German engineering died after WWII.
>>545219614Gasoline cars are easier for government to control than electrics. There's nothing a government can do to stop you from charging an EV with a cheap solar panel. Good luck manufacturing your own diesel.
>>545220369cool story, chink
>>545190325You guys haven't made good cars since your reunification.
I mean I'm not looking for an audi I'm looking for a toyota
>>545190325Your cars suck.
>>545220500but enough about chink cars
And now china wants to dump thousands of shitty electric cars that randomly self destruct into the yuropeon market.
>>545220684Chinese cars don't have brake pedals they have break pedals :^)
>>545190363america could make them cheap by building more private prisons and putting spics in them to build ev batteries. they should never be given amnesty and be held to a 3 strikes law from the 90's from the democrats
>>545190325What is this called? Every germ I've ever met does this. It's like you're sawing off the tree branch you're currently sitting on, smugly grinning and talking shit.
>>545220955thats not a german, its a chink
>>545190489We JUST discovered a plot in the United States where the EPA (environmental protection agency) teamed up with a CCP organization and they conspired to shift supply chain needs to china while also raising American utility bills for gas, electricity, and water.We need purity tests back. The fucking chi-comms are worse than the soviets.
>>545190433>fancy box you cant even fix yourselfShift in culture from muh car as a hobby to your car is just the means to go from A to B and then do your hobby. Like I've owned classic muscle cars, 4x4 with a speed shop built motor and a bunch of other random crap over the years. Now? I barely care and just want reliable transport. So I can easy go and do what I want without thinking about the car. There just isn't much reason to pay Audi prices for basic transport..
>>545190489One more thing. King nigger pushed his "cars for clunkers" scheme on Americans which destroyed hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions, of old ICE vehicles that were still perfectly viable, with the hopes of forcing us all to buy new "green" cars. Instead all it did was fuck up the used car market, make it so zoomers and millennials can't afford cars, and make every other new car that's been manufactured since an absolute piece of shit that falls apart months after it's purchased.We were sold out by greedy kikes to the lowest bidder (china).
>>545221066theyre also 90% of the posts in this thread
>>545221016I know an actual german I sometimes play games with and talk to and he has that same smug attitude regarding the state of germany. Everything is fine, just carry on, the masses of foreigners aren't going to replace you and erase your heritage, etc. He won't even acknowledge things are fucked.
>>545190363>Somehow the Germans decided they should instead be three times the price of their ICE versions. With hilarious consequences.They thought brand prestige alone would be enough, but a lot of these brands only became popular because of their ice offerings and enthusiasts know that one battery on wheels is basically the same as every other battery on wheels no matter the brand.On top of that not everyone can or wants to hop on the gay electric revolution, especially if it means hours of downtime even waiting in line for a charge and then spending more time actually charging. Now these manufacturers have spent billions gearing up for a electric revolution no body wants or is buying even with the European acting like retards.
>>545218945>lets just uproot everything and replace it with something new and unproven what could possibly go wrong? :^)Electric cars are shit, in a pinch you can't just go to the battery station and carry a gallon of battery back to your car to get it going again. They're also extremely heavy, which is an issue for parking structures, and prone to randomly self destruct. Also if they're in an accident they meltdown and require all sorts of special equipment to smother the fire, otherwise it dumps cubic miles of toxic smoke into the air as everyone waits around for it to piss out the last bits of stored energy.
>>545221405These changes all came right after branch covidian lockdowns broke the economy and expected us to just throw all our money at them to REBUY shit we already had that worked fine and we could afford. Nevermind the stolen TRILLIONS of dollars that were handed out during the wuhan flu.
>>545221249doesnt change, that that guy is a chink
I mean, even Volkswagen prices for polo and golf are reaching premium levels for a brand that was supposed to be an affordable car.No shit cheap stuff like Dacia or Chink stuff are skyrocketing. And it's only gonna get worse till they stop with the giga inflated prices
>>545222373Dacia is made in Romania and chink cars are made with chinese slave wagesno german car company can compete with that
>>545190202Shy does a country against free travel need cars
>>545222470Yeah, I get what you mean but I'm afraid the average joe will not really care about that. Plus I suppose another big issue is no sane guy is buying a car now due to the surge in gas.
>>545222508what are you even babbling about?
>>545222608german car companies are doing relatively fine in Europethe big problem is the collpase in sales in China
>>545190202audi & vw are cancer caca, the only decent vw are the really old ones (pre-2000), the only audi I like is the 2000s tt quatro but it's still shitty.Not even the mechanics here in beaner land want to work on them because they are a pain in the ass.
>>545223851theyre too modern for beaner land
>>545221453>Electric cars are shitobjectively superior for every normal persons use case exceptions are 1) petrolheads. well, petrolheads with the spare income to afford a sports car.2) towing long distance3) some1 who travels by car all the time for some reason? are there any traveling salesmen anymore? >in a pinch you can't just go to the battery station and carry a gallon of battery back to your car to get it going againin a pinch you run an extension cord to the nearest outlet. easier than the gas station trip.and if you're in the middle of nowhere, you call roadside assistance, same as with an ICE.>They're also extremely heavynah, its generally around the weight of an extra person or 2 vs a similar ICEand it varies greatly by whether the mfg emphasizes it as a design goal (eg tesla, whose model 3 is about the same weight as a bmw 3 series, even less depending on which version) or not (eg GM, they give less than half a shit about weight, and they're not that wrong. it doesn't affect economy much)>which is an issue for parking structureslol, no>and prone to randomly self destructthis again?someone post the charts with the likehoods of catching fire for ev/ice/hybridspoiler, its hybrids that are most fire-prone, then ICE, then EV.>Also if they're in an accident they meltdown and require all sorts of special equipment to smother the fire, otherwise it dumps cubic miles of toxic smokeyou're overdramatizing it, but yes, they are harder to put out still a big win for the environment overall, and an even bigger win for people who actually live around them (pollution displaced to nearest powerplant, the pollution reduction in cities is HUGE)
>>545190202I think this will lead to a rehash of postwar Germany's car industry. The automakers that go under will be sold to foreign car companies to stay alive, in this case to Chinese and American ones
>>545192130very few under the age of 70 give a shit about any of that. they just want an affordable vehicle that's convenient to refuel
>>545190202They can go fuck themselves honestly.They are the companies most aggressively pushing the woke shit onto their customers. Now add BMW with the AfD govt leasing withdrawal and you have globohomo industries hq.If you want woke to die germshit car companies must too
>>545225673weird spinchinks are behind the same woke shitas anon explained here >>545190489
>>545190202Cheers
>>545190489The Americans were the ones who pushed the green shit on Europe because the Americans control the EU.They banned fracking almost everywhere, then blew up the Nordstream pipeline and massively accelerated their own fracking operations.Now we all have to buy their gas.
>>545220369>buy a german car>get justed by a potholeprobably bs but i believe it
>>545190363Hoooo you have earned 1000 year mandate of heaven with this post surely anon!
>>545190451Because the government is deliberately preventing the production of them, and destroying the economics of ICE vehicles via taxes, quotas, regulations, etc.
>>545190202They'll get a bail out. Needed for the military afterall
>>545190489This is why you cucks will forever stay a laughingstock around the world. You're like niggers you never blame yourselves. it's always "muh Chyna" or "muh rasha" or some shit. Would Hitler come back from the dead the first thing he would have done is exterminating 90% of the germcuck population and start a new generation
>>545228928imagine believing this nonsenseunless he hit a really deep pothole or somethingPorsche is like the king of making sports cars
>>545190202>supply and demand, year 1-100HAHAHAHHA>supply and demand, year 105AHHH WAHT THE FUCK GERMANY IS KAPUTT ES IST VORBEI
>>545229667sure, and next we will ban chink cars as we should have done 10 years ago
>outsource&enshittify your product while raising prices>surprised when nobody buys your shitall auto manufacturer deserve the rope and thankfully chyna has come with a big fucking reel of it (they'll hang next)
>>545230207cool story chinkim fully aware 90% of the posts in this thread are chinks like youbut your unsafe and subisdized cars made with slave labour will be banned soon sorry, no not really
>>545191386>People in BMW drive normalA joke from the West Coast:What;s the difference between a scorpion and a BMW?*****Well, with the scorpion, the prick is on the outside
>>545219214>their quality is crap anywayso cars produced by magna steyr, which includes the Mercedes Benz G-Class, BMW Z4 and Toyota Supra, are crap?>and they subsidize their industryI strongly doubt that they are subsidizing an austrian car factory which actively competes with car plants in mainland china, Magna Steyr's balance sheets have also shown no sign of state investments by the CCP
