>go hiking in Eastern America>99% of view is thisi need to get out of here
> be out west> think you're gonna go out on a workday when people are busy at work> see this at the trailhead.
>>2881621reminds me of how big the world out there is. theres not enough people here for such crowds
>>2881619It's called a forest, retard.
>>2881621>the west is crowded hurrdurrmemetake
>>2881641it's literally full of tourists and vanlifers
>>2881621>national parks are crowded>derp>think you're gonna go out on a workdayBS. you're not in GTNP on a "workday" you're there on vacation just like everybody else. but to be fair there are multiple trails and climbing routes accessed from that parking lot. But sure, at the hieght of summer and touron season- get there early for a good spot. the trails are popular for a reason. Its not nearly as crowded today. of course, you could always go somehwere. its incredibly easy to be by yourself.
>>2881661>it's literally fullI dunno dude. I was /outWest this past weekend and didnt see anybody
>>2881661How would you know?
>>2881619East coast hiking, the view at the summit is the reward for the workout.Before social media made it explode, most east coasters would never experience views with more than 1k elevation gain. The whole thrill of a 4k is a couple hours exercise then you emerge with some epic view.
>>2881621just go more than 4 miles past the trailhead and you will not see anyone
>go on random hike>make new friendI told him all my problems he was kinda cold blooded
there's plenty of ridge/rim trails in the east you know...I agree that they should have more/better clearings for views - but that's not really even your point
>go hiking in Eastern America>acquire Lyme Disease and Alpha-Gal syndrome>die
>>2881774>easties have to kill trees to get any views
>>2881793There's places where you have walk-out table rocks that don't need that, but yeah for much of the area a little bit of tree trimming is needed and the biggest issue is how lazy they are with doing that. Ruins 60% of good views.
East coast has the oldest mountains on the planet, I like it here. You feel the spirit when out in these woods
>>2881666Kek
>>2881621Hahaha "out"
>>2881806That is not factual. Multiple ranges are older by 2 or 3x
>>2881829Name 4
>>2881836No you.
>>2881774>>2881793>>2881797The status quo for east coast forest management is "dont hecking do anything okay??? nature is perfect!" which leads to shitty overgrown second growth forests and the destruction of actual unique habitats like serpentine soil, shale barrens, alvar pavements, that require periodic thinning to survive.
>>2881883And to add on to this, this lack of management is also why animals like rattlesnakes, black racers, glass lizards, etc have all decreased in population along with all sorts of birds and bugs and wildflowers that also require open sunny areas.Like it's funny that if you told me to go look for one of these rare species I wouldn't go to a local nature perserve, i'd sooner go to a powerline cut or literal superfund site.
>>2881806>East>"the woods"You mean State Game Lands #237 behind the Payless Shoe Source off exit 90 of the interstate.
>>2881898there's some awesome stuff to see in state game lands but they are not maintained at all, not the roads, not the trails, so it can be an adventure through shitty conditions
>>2881883Is this actually a bad thing? I live off the appalachia and i like all the dense forests we have, i look at videos on youtube of people hiking out west and i typically see them on trails with hardly any trees, like theyre all sparsely dispersed, and occasionally theyll hike a trail with dense forests but it doesnt seem to be the norm.I used to think the grass(or more appropriately the forest) were greener on the other side, but seems to me its greener over here.I still want to hike the forests out west someday just to see the different biomes, im sure its awesome but after seeing how the forests are so thin out there im not excited as before when i thought they were greener and denser. Appalachian forests are also not as touristy, which i like betterPlus appalachia doesnt really have the wildfire problems like the west does, which i think is better
>>2882016there are dense forest out in the Pacific Northwest
>>2882016>Is this actually a bad thing?LmaoNot even going to bother actually replyingHow can you be interested in /out/ and not know anything or give a shit about ecology
>>2882019But isnt west side of pnw constantly overcast and raining while the east side is on fire? Like i said we dont really get wildfire like that here at least on the US side, even this past summer when the smoke from the canadian fire blew down here, it was terrible being outside. Smoke smelling like shit and burning my eyes, that was my first experience being affected by a wildfire even when im all the way down in virginia. We had one last year too but it just made the sky all opaque and smokey, but it didnt burn my eyes, nostrils and lungs like this year did.>>2882020I guess the same way people can enjoy music without knowing music theory or being a composer. Or whatever hundreds of examples could be used here. I just like being and hiking in the woods, its nice encountering cool animals or plants etc but i hardly know any of the species names, as much as i hike youd think id have a lot of cool pics too but i forget my phone is even on me. Some might say im not a true /out/ loving hiker for such a lack of photos when im out there, but that alright.Its cool you like to get really involved and geek out over this stuff but im not into that aspect of /out/ so much
>>2881883>The status quo for east coast forest management is "dont hecking do anything okay??? nature is perfect!"As opposed to "CLEARLY nature is WRONG and we must overrule and interfere with natural processes to keep this specific patch of dirt frozen in a snapshot of 1934"? If forest is spreading into some shitty meadow in Vermont now then it was going to do so even if we had never crossed the land bridge from Asia. If some gay little frog goes extinct then that's its lot. Nature isn't a museum display behind a little glass wall keeping it perfect forever.
>>2882016There's no wildfire problems in the east and Appalachia because you guys actually fucking get rain lmao , when plants and flora get enough moisture they don't act like fire kindling like the western states >Inb4 pnw, oregon, bc, wash, cascadia (some rain as a treat)
>>2882067I have a bunch of pictures of active wildfires in Appalachia on my phone. Last fall was dry as fuck and South Carolina appalachia was literally on fire and hazy and gross. It also ruined the foliage too. Global warming has been making it dryer in Appalachia, esp. in the summer - just for the last few years it feels like. El nino winter should be welcome rain. The aquifers are low. There's 100% wildfires in Appalachia, especially because they tore down the old growth forests and that caused fires by itself which led to a vicious cycle since you need mature forests to really suppress fires well.
>>2882016>it doesnt seem to be the normhow would you know? a few youtube vids? lolIgnorance is like that. I live in the rockies and the locals complain about the overgrown forests due to lack of fire.
>>2882023>But isnt west side of pnw constantly overcast and raining while the east side is on fire?no. Do you think life is a a meme?
>>2881621somebody's wedding in there?
>>2881619That view is beutiful thoughI never get tired of the forestBut then again unlike you I'm white
>>2882071Most videos it seems like a couple miles of dense forest, but the rest of the trek are either forests where the trees are really spaced out or like a mix of savannah/meadow with this spaced out forests. Over here in appalachia you can walk miles and miles in deep woods before you come across a savannah or meadowYoure right im ignorant about this, but its hard for me to find videos that show me different>>2882072I googled how many overcast days you guys get there and iirc its like around 200+ days. Then when you look at the wildfires maps, theyre all basically in the west with hardly any wildfire markers in appalachia. What am i missing here?
>>2882082Are you really so retarded that you think "The West" can be summed up in a few hiking videos? Do you have any idea how big of an area you are talking about? how many different biomes, types of forests, landscapes etc... there are in the West. But in general, the more fire is supressed, the denser forests become. Some forests are so dense even the animals cant use them.>>2882082>What am i missing here?Knowledge and Nuance. 200 days is 54% of the year...hardly "constantly". The West is more arid in places and is more prone to fire. It also has much bigger forests to burn but appalachia definitely burns. 2016 saw multiple fires in the Appalachains with 10,000s of acres burned.
>>2882085Your picrel is probably some managed trail and only looks like that in its 1-2.5mile loop. Once you get out of that its back to sparse forests, where the sun touches every surface of the forest floor. Im not even arguing that it cant be cool, just that its not as dense compared to appalachiaAnd yes i know some parts of appalachia burn, but go ahead and post pic of wildfire maps in the U.S., you have to be clinically insane to think the wildfires in appalachia are comparable to how many happen in the west
>>2882091>Once you get out of that its back to sparse forests, where the sun touches every surface of the forest floor.Shut the fuck up. You're a clueless retard and need to stop talking. You must be clinically insane to think this. Its time to get off the internet, leave the basement and go outside.>insane to think the wildfires in appalachia are comparable to how many happen in the west>>2882085>The West is more arid in places and is more prone to fireStop with your bullshit.
>>2882076The lack of response tho
>>2882095Sorry but ill need you to stop crying like a baby if youre going to speak with me. Let me know once youve calmed down and when youll behave like a proper adult>notices you still cant post the wildfire mapIll be waiting for that wildfire map in the meantime
>>2882111>posts frog>cop out as copeafter getting BTFO thats all you have a I guess. lol.
>hey id like to hike this trail (trail has been more or less closed the past 2-3 years)>ok anon theoretically the trail is now open but the closest road access is RETARDEDLY closed outside of memorial day - labor daywhy would you close a fucking mountain road in may and september WHYfuck you forest service and your fake chirpy replies on how you aren't doing your jobits a road it only needs to close if there's severe snow.
>>2882170closed forest service roads are still open to foot and bike traffic.
>>2882187its all bullshitI hate these peopledeath to boomers>just walk 5 mi on a road that should be open and has absolutely no reason to be closed other than republicans hating public land existing
>>2882189maybe you shouldnt be so fat and lazy?
>>2882187Nta but youre responding to a cityfag who only goes "hiking" when its a less than 3 mile trek, where his preferred starting point is already halfway up the summit. You really expect him to start at the bottom of the summit lol? Hes only there to take pics for instagram, not to actually endure a hike
>>2882189>You want me to...walk a whole entire mile? With my legs? Noooo I cant believe cheeto hitler is forcing me to do a one mile death march at gunpoint fuck you chuds
not everyone has your level of ability, be respectful, our differences our what makes society great
>>2881619as a euro this looks great
>>2882023I forgot to reply to this other day. The majority of the western PNW rain is massively exaggerated, besides some very small areas like Olympic national forest or a few coastal spots the rain is light majority of the year, complete drought in summer, and overall overcast and thats it. Legit not where id go seeking rain sadly (grew up there might move back to Forks WA for alleged endless rain)
>>2882064Lmao you really don't understand a thing>even if we had never crossed the land bridge from AsiaIf we never crossed the land bridge there would still be large mammals grazing and bulldozing vegetation, gigantic wildfires that would wipe out entire forests and turn them to grasslands which would then slowly grow back into forests, millions of beavers flooding millions of acres.You don't need to micromanage nature in that case because it's taking care of itself. You don't know what nature is. Real nature barely exists anymore. I would hesitate to say it still exists in Siberia because even they don't have a lot of animals left.
>>2882189Republcans arent gating off forest service roads. The forest does that and they are staffed with crazy democrats and it usually involves pressure from leftist environmental groups
>>2882234um no its republicans its a day use area and they are too cheap to install an auto-close gate or pay someone to shut it at night and open it in the morning outside summer hoursrepublicans think you should own your own mountain if you want to go outside, and stop complaining and work harder
>>2882236Retard
>>2882236these republicans of yours who cause all your problems, are they in the room with you right now?
>>2882239Probably just an underaged redditor, but likely retarded too, yea
>>2881662There's a good pizza place down in Moose, has nice beer too.
>>2882082The cascades are quite dry in the summer, the peninsula steals all the rain during that season. Hence them always being on fire every year now.
>>2881619The east is alright if you know where to look
>>2882064>If some gay little frog goes extinct then that's its lotHe said while posting Pepe in 2026.
>>2882064Fuckload of VT that's thick forest today was cleared out from logging 100+ years ago. Forests grow back quick.No opinion on forest management, just throwing in a tangent about how wildly different Vermont looked a century ago and how quick forests actually grow back in.
>>2882842>150 years>quick
>>2881771hurr hurr hurr. Great post anon
