Unless I'm planning on gutting an animal, why would I need more knife than this?
>>2869760Real pros take 2, in case you lose one.
>>2869760>needyou don't need it, only a retard would say you "need" itbut do you -want- it? do you want a mini saw blade, scissors, bottle / can opener, an awl, tweezers, etc?if you want that but don't wanna carry a box will all that in it, then yeah, you use thatthis is something that was learned back in the roman times, its not something to argue with, it simply -is-
A full tang knife can be used for battoning, if you're into that kind of thing.Is a Huntsman better than a Leatherman Wave?
>>2869782No clue, I only have the Huntsman, but I like it.
>>2869782Leatherman wave is absolutely a more versatile and robust tool but it's also twice as heavy and expensivePliers are nice, locking blade is nice. But for the same cash you can get a pair of aluminum fishing pliers to go with your huntsman.I'm more of a rebar nigga anyways
>>2869791I have a Wave but it's too bulky to be an EDC for me. I'll definitely pick up a Huntsman, they look like they'll fit on to my keychain and fit in my pocket nice.
>>2869760>Be Swiss Army.>Always stay neutral.>Wars? lol No, we'll just watch.>Invent a basic multi-tool.>Make it red, very tactical lolz.>Call it Swiss Army Knife haha.>Army gets it for free, everyone else pays.>Sit back and enjoy.>People start buying it.>WTF, really?>Add more random tools for a laugh.>People go crazy for it.>WTF seriously?!>Add a coat hook.>Money goes brrrr.>Stare in disbelief.>Add a small useless scissor.>Stocks go through the roof.>No way are people like this...>Go full retard, add a plastic toothpick.>LMAO Money goes brrrrrr.>World goes insane.>Jeremiah Jhonson turns over in his grave.True story.
>>2869760I remember when my dad needed to cut some cord and the scissors he got couldn't cut through it cleanly. I pulled out my SAK and he laughed, saying the small scissors wouldn't be any better, and cut through it like butter.
>>2869797Funny enough, the main blade, the tiny scissors, and the toothpick are the only pieces of mine that I've used.
>>2869842do you kiss your dad on the mouth?
>>2869859No. My dad is one of those typical "feelings is weakness unless it's anger and rage" kind of guys.
>>2869797>>2869845Yeah the scissors are one of the nicest parts.
>>2869760Most of the things on these things is gimmicky bullshit you will absolutely never use
>>2869845I've used the saw on occasion, and the corkscrew I used for unintended purposes that it just seemed intuitive for until it broke (chinesium brittle steel)
>>2869760>needFor the price of a Victorinox ("Swiss Army" kniife) 33 piece multi tool you can get....>not even kiddingAll this shitFolders, skinners, tooth picks, a set of kitchen knives, some throwers (well shit, didnt "need" those but now I have 'em) God damn samurai swords and even a fucking Bowie thats bigger than a roman short sword.
>>2869918The huntsman costs 36 dollars.
>>2869918The 33 functions victorinox is like 100 dollars. You can get 2 relatively nice knives for that money, but if you want to have all this shit for 100 you are gonna the cheapest low quality garbage there is
I have a climber that's in my pocket 99% of the time it's pretty cool. If you're only doing light trips a victorinox is fine
>>2869959For all those times you need an awl at the summit?
>>2869960>awlI looked online and there seems to be nerds coming up with all sorts of shit to do with the hook and the reamer, but I don't use em. The rest of the stuff comes in useful pretty frequently. No clue why they called it 'climber', should be called 'IT desk job' or 'amazon package opener'.
I'll stick with my compact. Until they put scisors and a pen on a ranger grip, the compact has the most versatile tool set imo.
>>2869961I'm not against victorinox. The small one is probably really great if you travel and want to cut your fingernails. But the point of was trying to make is you don't need two separate bottle opening solutions in the back woods when stabbing it with a knife works.
>>2869960You never know when you'll get attacked by a bear and have to make a hat.
The tweezers suck and the toothpick is gross. Take the alox pill.
>>2870029Why is the Alox so expensive compared to the Huntsman? It's the same size with less tools.
>>2870031thicker stock steel for outer-layer tools, and more expensive scale material
>>2870029the tweezers are a life saver when you the splinter that only appears after you trimmed your nailsi like the toothpick since i use it as a nail dirt remover too
the philips head is nice. i wish mine had pliers.
>>2870035The tweezers are too flimsy to pull anything except dead-straight, micro slivers. I can't count how many times I have gotten a splinter and the Vic tweezers failed because the splinter was too 'grabby' in the skin. Thumbnail against the side of the knife blade works.
>>2870029Look over all my main point is, why do I need a belt knife? I've never felt the need to use one, I have one, it's nice, but I can never find a good reason to use it.
>>2869760It's true, you don't. I dual carry a Deluxe Tinker and a Camper for a balanced set of tools, plus 4 knives instead of 2 is nice. If I know ahead of time that I'm gonna be processing firewood, I'll bring a hatchet.
>>2870268What kind of hatchet? I cant process small pieces of firewood with a hatchet, but that might just be because I suck at sharpening hatchets.
>>2870269Fiskars X7. There's actually a pretty good review of it here that I mostly agree with:https://forestry.com/reviews/hatchet-reviews/fiskars-x7-hatchet-review/
>>2870271Did you do anything to re-profile the edge? I suck at sharpening axes, so I have a crappy cheap axe and I've been practicing sharpening it before I buy a nice one.
>>2869760How are you going to defend yourself against a dogman or bear with that little shit?
>>2870277I probably should get a gun.
>>2870269This might be overkill but this is what I use: https://www.husqvarna.com/us/axes/swedish-style-hatchet/
>>2870273No, I'm pretty much using it stock, as is. Fiskars sells the Xsharp sharpener tool here in Europe that is specifically designed for their own products. I use that to maintain the edge of the blade. But should it fail if the blade gets too worn out, I do have an aggressive bastard file, and access to my late grandpa's old grind stone.For those interested, per Fiskars' own words, the X-range choppers have a 30 degree cutting bevel angle.
>>2869963The Compact is amazing. Very good selection of tools. It is only too expensive compared with the Huntsman.
>>2869963Yeah, those are actual useful tools. Everything else is just autism
>>2870113I phrased this like a retard, let me try again. My main point is about carrying larger belt knives. What's the point of those? Anytime I need to cut something I reach for my SAK, not my belt knife. Do you guys carry belt knives? Why chose a larger fixed blade knife over smaller a folder?
>>2870507>Why chose a larger fixed blade knife over smaller a folder?its something you don't mind being rough with & beating upsomething like a swiss army knife is worsened as a whole if one thing gets fucked up, but all a larger fixed blade knife usually just needs a quick pass with a belt grinder to fix it
>>28705081.Don't most people recommend taking care of your tools?2.What are you doing that requires beating up a knife that can't be done better with an axe?
>>2870512if you actually do shit, you're gonna quickly find out that the people who won't shut up about "taking care of tools" don't actually use them, and are just worried about resale valueand sure, its great to make sure your tools don't rust or using them only on the correct application, but some tools are made to be abused, and a full tang hunting knife is one of themtheres plenty of stuff you can do with a knife that'll fuck it up too, batoning is a classic example of this
>>2870512>that can't be done better with an axe?Are you going to hike with an axe?Bringing some cast iron pans too?
>>2870507For regular hiking and eating prepackaged food from your gas stove you don’t need one, but you should have one anyway. If you’re hunting or fishing you don’t have junk getting inside a fixed blade like a folder. Carving by the fire is much better with a scandi or convex ground blade. Light bushcraft like pot holders, skewers, tent and tarp poles and pegs, trap sets is harder with a Swiss Army knife. When they get more important is if you have to do more involved woodworking like splitting wood for a wet weather fire or an improvised splint. Obviously modern fire starters negates this somewhat, as does not going into remote areas in saturating or below freezing conditions. However a $16 4oz Mora Companion might keep YouTubers from making videos about you being buttfucked to death by bigfoot in case you fuck up in bad weather.
>>2870507Bear attacks. The smallest knife I know of to kill a bear was a 3.75 inch locking Buck 110.
>>2870512>an axeI guess if you bother to bring a fucking axe to a hiking trip, you dont need a sturdy knife too.
>>2869760i was looking at the pocket knives i own and the cheapest one i own (10$, 7cr17mov) is a better quality steel than another 50$ (3cr13) one i own. i was thinking about getting a leatherman wave (420hc) and the steel on it isnt even noticeably better than the 10$ 7cr17. i am baffled
>>2871483Heat treatment > steel choiceThis is why Buck 420HC is so damn good They perfected their heat treatment
I like to have a fighting knife available.
>>2869760As the stereotypical boyscout who carried that type of knife pretty much daily for a good decade ... it's because "swiss army knves" are a meme, or a toy for children.You can't safely do any task that requires any force with a knofe without a locking blade.If you actually want to get real work done you need a leatherman or quality leatherman-like multitool.
>>2869782A multiplier is limited to one implement at a time. Get a small pair of Vise Grips to go with your Huntsman so you can hold the nut AND turn the screw.
>>2869797>>2869845>>2869867+1 for the scissors
>>2869766This is the one true way.>>2869760And if you do want to gut an animal you can take one of the larger ones too.
>>2869797>Add a small useless scissor.Bait or retardedI cut copper wire with them all the time and they stay sharp as day one.>oh it's just copperEverything else would slowly give up over time at the edge. Full size scissors roll over from plstic.As for the hook - it makes sense for them, switzerland still ties it's packages with string a lot, I hear. And the toothpick works better than wooden ones, for what it's worth. Personally I think it makes sense for an army implement - you don't want rations rotting soldiers' teeth, and in the field there isn't much room for anything better. The fire steel replacemement though - makes more sense for most outdoor users.
>>2869963I like my compact, but I am looking to move to Companion. I like the file more, and the in-line philips on the package oppener is likely to actually be usable as opposed to the one they claim exists on the combo one. Plus there already been times I wished for a reamer.
>>2872491I mean yea - if you are in a gypsy-infested area that's a different story.
>>2870507Batoning, wood processing , pry tool, fish gutting, wood sculpting, knife throwing, brush clearer, bamboo cutting, fending off beasts, firemaking, extra tool to lift things from the fire, cutting bread all while not having a potential stresspoint to fail. If you live in a relatively tame land you can get away with things. But if you live near a the woods, it's really useful.
>>2870113>>2870507There are dozens of reasons to carry a fixed blade over a folder, but the way this conversation usually goes is you will then say you don't NEED any of that.
>>2869760Breaking down wood for a shelter or fireIf you're into foraging like me you'd want a good hori hori for deep taproots like chicory and dandelionBreaking down an animal like you said is a great reason to have one.Breaking down thicc vegetation like bambooIt really all depends on what you're out there to do. If you're just hiking or basic camping then yea, op image is a good choice. They're just good to have on you in general.
>>2873032I like the idea of the champ but I worry that its bulkiness makes it less practical. At that point, I'd more consider getting a standalone leatherman wave+ on my belt and a SAK compact in my pocket since they compliment each other well. The only big thing the two of them lack is a large blade, though a fixed blade might be what I'm looking for to fill that gap.
>>2871483>>2872470i ended up buying a wave, its nice but not as nice as the hype it gets online
>>2869861Your dad is right
>>2869760If your leg gets pinned by a rock and you have that on you, you can self-amputate. Shit can save your life
I agree with you for the most part about blade length and shape.I know it’s illogical if you’re careful but I can’t get the idea that I might slip and mousetrap that fold onto my fingers. So I use something that just has the one blade about that size, maybe a touch bigger, and locks open. Being comfortable with the tool is more important to me personally than perfect utility.
>>2872491>the cleanest most unused of packs and guns with grandpas kbar “handy” for all those backwoods knife fights you hear about Kek.
the knife profile or whatever on these is terrible for whittling or taking out chunky shavings of wood for kindling
>>2870029>The tweezers suckInfinitely better to have meh tweezers then zero tweezers.>the toothpick is grossWash it well before use
>>2869845 it's my go to bottle opener though.in fact I refer to it as my swiss bottle opener.
>>2869793I just have a kydex holster for it that goes on my belt and disappears under my shirt. No pocket space wasted.
>>2869760i actually misread this as insulting the swiss army knife, but yes. it is everything, i have had mine with me almost constantly for nearly 25 years now. I do not know how people function without one, they must just encounter situations all the time and be like "welp, now i'm fucked" whereas i can just fix stuff and do things. only thing it is missing is pliers. but when camping/exploring I just take a pair of pliers too.
>>2881027>ThisI like to carry a Swiss Army Compact and a Leatherman. They both compliment each other's shortcomings really well. If you have the extra belt space for a fixed blade, there's not much you can't get through.
>>2874580NTA, im partial to the waves myself. Wouldnt mind an alpha, but those are out of my budget.Did you get a regular wave or a wave+?
>>2880963>>Kydex holsterOficial product or custom of yours, anon?
>>2881943I'd like to get into doing that someday, but no. I think it was from "Clip & Carry" on Amazon if I remember right. And clarification: I meant for a Leatherman Wave+. Other anon said it was too bulky to EDC, but the size ain't a problem when it's on my waist.
>>2879043>tweezersYou can use your thumbnail against the blade as tweezers and that will work a million times better than the feeble on-board ones.>toothpickMake one out of wood.I would have conceded the pinhole in the plastic scales, had you brought it up. But you didn't, so I assume you don't know about it.
>>2869760Multi purpose tool and swiss army knife is all you need in 99% of cases.
knife bros are the most cutting edge consumerist niche, tons of enthusiasts obsessing over product meeting certain criteria for an item that has almost 0 utility for almost 100% of the people obsessing over it.
Wegners > chinesium Victorinox
