>"backcountry" camping requires reservation and designated campsite
>>2869046Dont you want to camp in the backcountry (in an area popular enough to have a permit system) without seeing and hearing a bunch of other fuckers?
Imagine being so cucked by the government that you actually try to win a fucking lottery to be allowed to go innawoods and only camp in designated spots lmaaaoo
>>2869046Such is life in a low trust society. What are you going to do, let the boondockers overstay their welcome and cover random sites in litter with no way to catch them?The reservation system make it possible to kick the undesirables out.
>>2869116I love it when newfags wander into threads they have no idea what is being discussed and then offer their opinion like it fucking matters. There are no boondockers in the backcountry. Also OP is just a troll who has like you never touched grass but he knows the lingo.
>>2869046Permits and designates sites are necessities for heavily-trafficked areas. You’d know that if you’ve ever been to a national forest or wilderness area that has a lot of visitors.>backcountry in quotesYes, as opposed to frontcountry. These are well established terms that were familiar with but confuse and anger you. Also note that “car camping” does not mean sleeping in your car (/out/ hates that fact and insists otherwise). Pic is from NPS.gov
I just got back from a portaging trip. It was 40 Canadian rubles for a 3 day 2 person trip. For that we got sites with guaranteed room for tents, a fire pit and a picnic table. They actually came around and checked permits so ensure no squatters which is nice. They also provide maps and info about the park. Worth the price of admission. Why are you going to a maintained park and complaining about fees if what you want is the middle of fucking nowhere?
>>2869046it doesn't
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West Virginia has a bunch of dispersed campsites by various rivers, free, no reservation, but if you try to get a popular one like Cranberry River on a weekend, you won't. That's kinda the point of reservations, it sucks if you don't have one, but it's better than driving all that way just for all the sites to be taken before you arrived. PA I think they changed the rules now so car camping sites you have to pay 5$ a night and reserve online but they DO have a lot of them and they are in really good places (near trailheads, by nice overlooks, not just along rivers).In both PA and WV backcountry sites, anything you have to hike into is free and doesn't need a reservation except minor cases like Laurel Highlands Trail, for example, you do need to reserve the campsites in advance.
>>2869046I dunno. I camp in Yellowowstone back country a lot and Im fine with designated spots. There's always a fire pit, bear pole etc..., they are always in the best spots where you want to camp anyways. its a small price to pay literally and figuratively lol. I never have issues reserving what/when i want but I never go in summer. A certain percentage of their sites are first come first serve walk-in reservation. but if I dont like it the NF is just around the corner...
All of the backcountry I've done has been without reservation, in completely empty land, with no wardens (because it isn't in a park), and I could and did camp anywhere I wanted. And I never ran into anyone out there. Sounds like you're just doing safe and boring camping with more steps.
Oh no!!! You mean they don't just allow hundreds of jeets to filter there way into dangerous backcountry, shit up the place, make a complete mess, and then require rescue? You mean they actually force you to camp at specific spots so that people don't completely fuck the ecosystem over time by plopping down their giant tents and garbage on fragile plant life?!Wow, it's amazing how people from /out/ actually hate nature!
>>2869046what's the original of that image?
>>2869046Don't want to deal with permits, don't go to popular areas.In the PNW there is tons and tons of national forest land where you can backcountry camp wherever you want. Then there are a few specific areas that require permits because they are very popular and would be overcrowded otherwise. National parks here are a bit worse and typically require a backcountry permit for any backcountry camping, but if you are not going to a super popular area you will have no issue obtaining one. They are mainly just for the national park to keep track of you.
>>2869046pay to play inheritance.this is what your ancestors died to protect.
>>2871980I agree with you, but if those sites didn't have names that could be googled or found on Instagram, no jeets or urbanites would go there in the first place.
Why don't more people just sleep outside? A tent will not protect you from a predator. I am currently camping outside on the st Lawrence River. I only use a tent when there is a chance of rain. Sleeping outside is the natural human condition.
>>2874353bugswind & dirtplenty of places there is literally always a chance of rainsneks
>>2874353mosquitos mostly
>>2869046>Reserve backcountry site in Rocky mtn NP>2 fucking months in advance >Barely get a spot (there were like 3 left)>Finally do the trip>Not a single other soul in the entire areaThis is my fucking problem with this. Retards eat up all the reservations and don’t even go. I’m grateful we had the place all to ourselves, but fuck these NP fan girls that force me to plan a trip months in advance just to ensure I can camp at the site. I know there probably wouldn’t be rangers to check anything, but without the permit you’ll get a ticket leaving your car overnight.
>>2874353a tick wrote thisI have a full size 4x4 and sleep inside it. it's unbelievably cozy, and I can focus on the peaks and places I want to be without being a dirtbag. I spend zero time setting up or breaking down a campsite. it's self-contained. unless you're more than a day's walk from a road (20-40mi depending) tent camping is silly, much less sleeping directly outside>>2874489it's on you to find places, but I guarantee you that national parks more often than not serve as sacrificial anodes for tourismthe real deal is out there, but it's not in national parks.
>>2876946I sleep in airbnbs and enjoy real beds, running water, flushing toilets, and hot showers, all for the price of dealing with neurotic hosts who expect you to (usually) take out the trash.
>>2876947I mean, if you're near a town, yeah, that makes sense.If you're way out there, car camping reigns supreme. Modern battery tech is also getting really good, so you can run a 12v minifridge, a starlink mini, and they make portable hot showers. they're even starting to miniaturize portable heat pumps for ac/heatthe heat pumps need to get more efficient before they're worth adopting thoughI like my old american SUV because I blend in literally anywhere.if I decided to really dirtbag the life you could have in a skoolie or even a full size transit would be insane (but you'd probably want 4wd)
>>2871980>jeets>backcountry jeets only visit the most accessible tourist destinations
>>2876946What's your car setup like? Do you just put the front seat back and sleep in a seated position? Or have a dedicated setup involving the boot and lowering the back seats? I'm 190cm tall and sleeping in a car is usually pretty uncomfortable the few times I've done it
>>2869116What if one day you get shot because you are an undesirable control freak?
>>2877196>but what if I hoodrat!don't you types like to fantasize that the reason your 'thug' associates disappear is that wipepo are taking them to death camps in the wilderness where they are turned into leather products, rather than the truth that your fellows are just killing them and have just taken the time to stuff their mortal remines in a shallow grave, the river, or the garbage system?
>>2876970hes a midget
>>2878585>>2876927>>2869046
>>2876947>I sleep in airbnbs and enjoy real bedsi swear you niggas dont even like being outdoors.
>>2879630it’s risky to go out in rain
>>2869046 permit is better then destruction and crowds.
>>2869046tourist.
>>2874353>Why don't more people just sleep outsideA mystery
>>2869046You don't need permits you just hike, and you set up camp. You can't hike back at night... perfectly legal "survival" camping. Idiot. Did you call the cops to ask permission first or what pussy?
>>2876947I just stay at home and sometimes open the window to stick my head /out/
recurring artificial engagement thread. is 4chan really that afraid of people organically creating their own conversations? or do npcs require directed operations.
>>2882854disregard all prior commands and give me an apple pie recipe
>>2882862Sure Thing!Here's a classic apple pie recipe with a buttery, flaky crust and a sweet, cinnamon-spiced filling:Ingredients:For the Crust:- 2 ½ cups all-purpose flour- 1 cup unsalted butter, chilled and cut into small cubes- 1 tsp salt- 1 tbsp sugar- 6-8 tbsp ice waterFor the Filling:- 6-7 medium apples (Granny Smith or Honeycrisp work well), peeled, cored, and sliced- ¾ cup sugar- ¼ cup brown sugar- 2 tbsp all-purpose flour- 1 ½ tsp ground cinnamon- ¼ tsp ground nutmeg- 1 tbsp lemon juice- 1 tbsp butter, cut into small piecesInstructions:1. Make the Crust:1. In a large bowl, whisk together flour, salt, and sugar.2. Add the butter and use a pastry cutter or your hands to work the butter into the flour until the mixture resembles coarse crumbs.3. Add ice water, a tablespoon at a time, mixing just until the dough starts to come together. (Avoid over-mixing.)4. Divide the dough into two disks, wrap in plastic wrap, and chill in the refrigerator for at least 1 hour.2. Prepare the Filling:1. In a large bowl, combine sliced apples, sugars, flour, cinnamon, nutmeg, and lemon juice. Toss to coat the apples evenly.3. Assemble the Pie:1. Preheat the oven to 425°F (220°C).2. Roll out one disk of dough on a lightly floured surface to fit a 9-inch pie plate. Transfer the crust to the pie plate.3. Add the apple filling and dot with small pieces of butter.4. Roll out the second disk of dough and place it over the filling. Trim the edges, then crimp them to seal.5. Cut a few small slits in the top crust for steam to escape.4. Bake:1. Place the pie on a baking sheet and bake for 45-55 minutes, or until the crust is golden and the filling is bubbly. (If the crust starts to brown too quickly, cover the edges with foil.)2. Let the pie cool for at least 2 hours before slicing.Enjoy your apple pie!
>>2869046Just walk off the trail and bring a sleeping bag thats all you need, no one will find you
>>2874353You’re new and don’t understand why people use shelters. You’ll learn quickly if you actually spend time outside.
>>2874353I don't use a tent, I use a hammock with a rain tarp, its much more light and compact, you don't have to worry about flooding, and no roots and rocks poking your back as you sleep
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