American traffic looked so cool back then. What happened? This was only 50 years ago!
>>29132272inhaling leaded exhaust fumes is not cool, broski
Everyone got fat, nogs started chimping out en masse so cars had to be modified to not hurt them when you hit them, uhhh what else, everyone needs their tick tock and instant gram video games at all times so tv screens are mandatory
>>29132272Well for starters, everyone drove traditional american cars. When the japs entered the scene and the oil crisis happened, front wheel drive slop became the standard, and american manufacturers pivoted away from the "traditional" american car design, which was RWD body on frame, to unibody FWD.Asian car manufacturers sloppified the industry and now everyone just makes FWD crossovers. The first popular crossover, was the CR-V/Rav4. cars had more character back then. they were more engaging to drive, too. they were super modular because every performance variant was based on the regular civilian variant. the Pony car and Muscle car redefined what an enthusiast vehicle could be and they were everywhere.Now people call front wheel drive with a wing and some added boost in an already rung out 3 or 4 cylinder a """sports""" car.
>>29132285Forgot to add my addendum for the pic related. Only the rival of the new Camaro with a manual can save us. everything else is gay, transversely mounted, and too expensive.
Look at these three guys.
>>29132285FWD was taken up starting in the 80s because it had a lot of advantages>reduced weight>safer to drive>more interior space>cheaper manufacturing cost>better fuel mileage>better traction in bad weatherThe one downside to FWD is somewhat reduced reliability as the front end has more weight over it than a RWD car, but this was outweighed by its many advantages.
>>29132289even the VW Beetle was RWD.
>>29132285People bought Japanese cars because they were better engineered, more reliable and cheaper than shit old American trash the big 3 had been churning out because they took the American Market for granted.
>>29132303well you got your better engineered front wheel drive crossovers. no point in bitching now. the industry headed where Japan took us.
>>29132289For me, it's either the Alfa Spider or that sweet straight six Volvo
Man, old American iron never gets some love. Sure, they weren't well engineered, well built, and at times weren't even very reliable, but they were beautiful cars. Maybe it has to do with the fact that many of those automobile designers were mostly art students looking for a job then actual engineers. I don't know, they had have an actual sovl, those old American shitboxes.
>>29132319ironically most of what is left over from that era is american. none of the better engineered japanese stuff survived outside museums.
>>29132320>ironically most of what is left over from that era is american. none of the better engineered japanese stuff survived outside museums.There's lots of vintage Japanese cars in California. They just didn't survive anywhere with road salt.
>>29132272i like how everyone could see like five cars ahead because almost every car was basically a greenhouse
>>29132319>Man, old American iron never gets some lovesays who? boomers been dickriding those things for as long as i've been alive.
>>29132323the West Coast was also an import hotbed in general. in the Midwest until well into the 80s almost all cars were domestics.
>>29132323The oldest unrestored daily driver Japanese car I've seen on the road here in California was a 1975 Honda Civic. Nothing beyond the the mid 70s.>>29132325I meant 4chan. I should've clarified it better. Boomies don't count, they wear extremely thick rose tinted glasses, so I can't take them seriously.
>>29132323Japan does not and has never given a shit about rustproofing because most of the country outside Hokkaido doesn't get real winter weather.
>>29132320That's just numbers and restoration projects, nothing more. Those cars weren't better engineered, it's just that it's possible to find one that has a decent frame and you just pay whatever it costs to restore it after that point.Arguably the bit about how those old cars had thicker metal means that stripping all the surface rust doesn't matter as much, but that's about it as far as "longevity" goes.
>>29132323>>29132331more so, how many of these "vintage japanese" cars are just grey market imports? i'm starting to see a resurgence in A80 Poopras and FD rx7s. but whenever I look inside, it's a RHD import. usually the cars that were originally sold in america have long disintegrated.
>>29132333they don't use salt there anyway. salt is mostly a Midwest/Northeast thing and it's a destructive, evil entity.
>>29132343I think that RX7s were all just junked. I think their owners never held on to them. Just what I think.
>>29132343in that case it may be more because the JDM versions are not choked with smog hardware like the USDM ones so they're more desirable to drive
>>29132347there's a Gen 1 RX-7 not far from where i live, i see it parked regularly in this one spot when i go by.
>>29132348you can just engine swap them. no one would go through the trouble of dealing with RHD for a different engine. they do it because it's the only way to actually own the car at all at this point.
Vintage small cars in general didn't survive well. This is also true of American cars; most surviving 70s stuff are land yachts and trucks, there's no Pintos or Chevettes left.
>>29132358I've never seen a chevette but pintos can still easily be found on facebook market place and not even for a lot of money.
if you use Google search you can find vintage Japanese wheels for sale and they're definitely USDM models with LHD and 5 mph bumpers, but as i expected these are all in Sun Belt states as none of these cars survived more than three winters in the Midwest
>>29132289weird to think that driving a 1980s shitbox in current day traffic is like driving a 1930s shitbox in 1970s trafficit's a 40 year gap....
>>29132363I think an Omni might be worse because it's FWD and you can't V8 swap and make a track monster out of it like those others.
>>29132365Bring a trailer isn't a good representation for what's commonly out there. it's hoarders selling cars they've almost never driven to begin with. how often do you see a 70s civic or corolla on facebook market place for example?
>>29132365>urge to listen to Journey increasing
>>29132374Well, here's a more-or-less original unrestored B-210 from North Carolina (as of course it would have to be in a Sun Belt state)
>>29132272no part of that image looks enjoyable
>>29132395Yeah, they all need to be driving $80K trucks for it to be enjoyable. Any other driving experience is bad.
>>29132400unprompt reddit truck seethe.
>>29132403It was highly prompted.
>>29132400i was thinking more about it being bumper-to-bumper traffic implying low speed and inability to maneuver out in a fit leading to general frustration but sure, yeah, packed roads are more tolerable if youre in an f150 i guess. at least your aircon is better and you can watch tiktok on the dash
>>29132407then stop gargling your favorite urbanist youtuber's cum.
>>29132408City planning has nothing to do with enjoyability of an era of cars. Those cars are, in fact, not bumper to bumper, btw, they're just all driving down the road together. The fact that cars are seen easily changing lanes shows this.>>29132409Actual, real deal unprompted garbage take.
>>29132400i am an unironic ebiker and militant cyclist and did not get that read at all. large traffic load sucks no matter what vehicle you are in, on, penetrating, or being penetrated by and this is a rare case where one more lane might fix it (image is from an era where anglos aren't fucking terrified of not being in the rightmost lane all the time)
>>29132410>not gargling the cum of urbanist is a unprompted garbage takeyou're the reason this board sucks, now. reminder /o/ never had a problem with trucks until your kind came here. check the archives from more than 10 years ago if you don't believe me.
>>29132414incorrect: no matter what you drive, /o/ has a problem with it, always has, and always willbringing up a type of vehicle when no poster has even >IMPLIED it exists yet is the problem
>>29132411You have identical grammar to>>29132409>>29132408You never use capitalization, you never end posts with punctuation despite using it in the rest of your post, What you actually are is garbage that gets up and walks around. You're the actual case of shitposting that adds nothing.
>>29132418>You have identical grammar toCSI: Meme
>>29132418>shitposting that adds nothing.like seething about trucks in a thread where no one mentioned them? your post was the only off topic thing so far.
>>29132420You lost.
>>29132421My post is entirely on topic and so is yours, it's just that yours is wrong. You looked at a pic of regular traffic functioning properly in the 70s, tried to complain about it, and then freaked out when a reasonable counterpoint came up.
>>29132374>how often do you see a 70s civic or corolla on facebook market place for example?
>>29132424homeboy really saw an image of shit ass traffic then got offended at someone going "wow this traffic looks like shit"
>>29132424>My post is entirely on topicthrough the entirety of the thread up until you shat it up and tell me what trucks has to do with anything? and the post talking about the traffic isn't mine.
>>29132427No, I didn't get mad and still aren't, you are furious, though. That traffic isn't bad, it's just dense. All of those cars are moving smoothly and you're extremely upset that you turned out to be wrong.
>>29132426As I said, they're out there just not in the Northeast where all of them rusted in half 40 years ago.
>>29132426sure looks like a lot of not facebook marketplace.
>>29132324>i like how everyone could see like five cars ahead because almost every car was basically a greenhouseI've been driving since the late 70's and don't remember looking through a car ahead to see anything even once.
>>29132430>you are furious, though.i have NEVER NOT been FURIOUS because niggas really out here UNABLE TO IDENTIFY THE PROBLEM and instead MAKE IT HTE FUCK UP based on REDDIT BOT POSTS instead of THE SELF-EVIDENT USE-CASE NOT BEING FULFILLED
>>29132434how the fuck are you posting here from the retirement home?
>>29132426I tend to think the sporty models like the 240Zs are more preserved than the grocery getter ones.
>>29132435yeah
>>29132438iirc Datsuns sold so well that it's just normal that enough of them are still around.
Some of these are from different regions/markets, but the US models can be identified from the bumpers.
>>29132319it's always interesting to me how much character the front ends all have despite their choice of two (2) different headlight options, and now with LEDs and injection molds and yadda yadda the literal sky is the limit but somehow everything looks like the same constipated Transformer
>>29132442i have to say Japan was not good at styling, their cars looked very brutalist and utilitarian. American small cars at least tried to look good.
>>29132442I saw a Corolla of similar year and color on the road in bumfucksville New York quite a few years ago in a state of wear that says it was being regularly driven. Saw it again a while back in the same city and it looked about the same except the taped up quarter panel had been fixed up well enough to not be noticeable at a glance, which is cool. I hope it's the same guy driving it and it wasn't resold.
>>29132333they used shitty sheet metal and the bare minimum of undercoating. also most Japanese cars of the period didn't have a service manual because they really did consider them disposable appliances to be thrown away in 5 years. it breaks? junk it and buy a new one.
>>29132453>upstate NYBetter keep that thing garaged from November to March, I am not kidding.
>>29132457Satan's little yellow bag.
>>29132456And still do, really.
>>29132457Hence why I was surprised to not only see it on the road then but again a few years later.>MarchGive it at least a week or two for safety after that, if the snow has somehow melted by then the road salt is still kicking around in the slush.
>>29132457This is the kill zone. Anywhere in the circled area and you're fucked. No car or truck can survive more than a few winters.
>>29132434i do it all the time when i can, or use the shadows on the ground. combine that with keeping a large enough gap and i can slow down without getting rear ended by the fart sniffer behind me
>>29132426Honda began manufacturing USDM Civics and Accords in Ohio in 1982, so those were built with more durable sheet metal and rustproofing. The Prelude was always imported from Japan though.
>>29132480it's just a bunch of auction and wikipedia images. you'd have to be a brainlet to derive any information from that.
>>29132348Also they had engines and options/body styles not always available on export models.
>>29132480that pic shows 79 model Civics so that was prior to opening the Marysville Honda plant
>>29132473the Salt Belt didn't have so many imports in general in the 70s-80s, it was after all where the US auto industry was based in so everyone drove domestics and the West Coast was the import hot zone.
>>29132473man i cant believe detroit never had any cars in it
>>29132456>5 years >disposablelmao people are already trying to offload cybertrucks because they're "old". those japanese cars are just disposable appliances but homegroan amerimutt manufacturing can't keep a car on the market for even an entire year
>>29132272>barely any truggs since they were still used for work/by people in the sticks, SUVs virtually nonexistent >"imports" were all seen as quirky compared to the large, body on frame V8 American barges>styling was still by current fashion but hadn't been homogenized into wind-tunnel tuned, jellybean-shaped eggs with fake vents drawn onIronically the only vehicle there that has stuck around and remained relatively close to it's roots is the Mustang. Basically everything else has been killed off and replaced with transverse-engined crossovers, if not the full size pickups and SUVs that have essentially replaced all those full size sedans and family wagons respectively.>>29132325I don't know, boomers have always been the most vocal about old American wagons and sedans (double so for "post" sedans) being entirely worthless, garbage cars worth nothing other than a night at a demolition derby regardless of the fact that the two door models were the same thing underneath. It's mostly younger folk I see willing to appreciate and drive the unloved sedans, if not Europeans that import them.>>29132343With how much prices are being inflated (200k mile A80 Supras have sold for $100k before) it just makes a lot more sense that you're able to import a JDM model, for cheaper still, that not only has the meme appeal and RHD, but typically has a mere fraction of the mileage an American example might have, plus you know it's been autistically cared for since their testing is usually so strict.
>>29132499where's the million mile japanese club.
>>29132285>m-muh spooky scary fwd
>>29132505tercel owners
>>29132502Ford was selling hundreds of thousands of F series. same for GM and Chrysler trucks. the ratio of trucks to cars hasn't changed. only SUVs have gotten more popular comparitively.
>>29132502the luxury truck actually started with the Jeep Wagoneer and during the 70s trucks were becoming a little more luxurious instead of a bare bones work vehicle. the 7th gen Suburban was the first one that was a habitable DD and not a crude, rough-riding work truck. it gained popularity in the Midwest during the 70s as preferable to the full-sized 71-76 GM wagons.
>>29132449Are you saying this isn't heckin based and unique? Don't you just love staring at these at night?
>>29132509yes but mostly as fleet and farm vehicles. it was not common in the 50s-60s to see a pickup truck in a suburban neighborhood.
>>29132510The change came when the South and West started dictating the car market more instead of the Northeast. More trucks, more emphasis on the outdoor/country lifestyle and less emphasis on WASP yacht club bullshit.
>>29132345>it's a destructive, evil entityI recently learned from a friend who bought a 40 year old Mazda from Sweden they don't salt their roads either. They just use gravel/sand. His shitbox Mazda has paint chips everywhere but only a small bit of rust on driver's side rear fender. It would have disintegrated a long time ago in mainland Europe.
>>29132513back then the truck division at the Big Three was the worst assignment you could get and was widely regarded as punishment for screwing up somewhere else
>>29132513Pickup trucks are the most American vehicle there is, and they have been around as long as there have been Vehicles. They only stopped being the #1 Best Selling when Clinton the Pedophile was in charge and decided every Vehicle had to be a cafe racer instead of something you can actually fit a sheet of plywood in. Why are you posting this chink psyop shit as if any real American doens't know better?
>>29132513>yes but mostly as fleet and farm vehicles.so nothing as changed today. >it was not common in the 50s-60s to see a pickup truck in a suburban neighborhood.It isn't now, either, unless you live in the midwest, where they also tended to reside back then.
>>29132509Pickup trucks like the F-150 weren't daily drivers. You only bothered to buy one if you needed one and you'd try to make use of it. It's the opposite today.
"bro cars all look the same now"50 years ago: >>29132272
>>29132514This. Cars only became good once The People got involved. Not those ivory tower yuppies in jew york. REAL Americans who are hauling REAL cargo, OFFROAD, every day.
>>29132515The Rocky Mountain states and Alaska use sand too, no salt. Otherwise you only have to worry on the east coast of Florida and in Hawaii where hot, humid marine air can trash cars from salt.
>>29132521>>29132522How many 4x8 sheets of plywood fit in your Vehicle?
>>29132521>Pickup trucks like the F-150 weren't daily driversyea they were.>You only bothered to buy one if you needed onemany people believe they need one now. they only thing that has changed is reddit telling them they don't.
>>29132509I get they might've sold many pickups, but like I said it seemed like they would go to people that either would use them or that lived in the sticks. I'm not a boomer so I wasn't there, but in any old pictures of traffic (which, yeah, are usually in cities) you can usually count the amount of trucks on a single hand in contrast to the dozens of other cars in traffic.Compare that to today, where you'll have yuppies in cities driving around Raptors, ZR2s and Denalis (that have never towed/hauled/been off road) as if they're "personal luxury" cars.
>>29132514car ads in the 50s were absolutely trying to sell that genteel country club lifestyle. that went away with the baby boomers.
>>29132524>Otherwise you only have to worry on the east coast of Florida and in Hawaii where hot, humid marine air can trash cars from salt.you're ok as long as you stay out of the fog line on the beach. ocean salt doesn't actually travel very far as it's heavy.
>>29132526>yea they were.No they weren't.>many people believe they need one now. they only thing that has changed is reddit telling them they don't.Ah, so you're trying to justify historical revisionism by comparing it to today. I wonder why.
>>29132528>I'm not a boomer so I wasn't therethen we can end this conversation here. without evidence or personal experience, "seem to" and posting images is a pretty retarded way to revision history. that's why books exist.
>>29132513afaik Ford and Chevy sold more retail pickup trucks back then while Dodge ones were mostly fleet sales
>>29132534Cool, so you've got no evidence to back up or prove your point either. We can end this conversation - I'll keep posting images and proving how retardedly wrong you are. Thanks for playing along, anon! Better luck next time, bring your literary sources next time and I'll be sure to check them out.
>>29132534>then we can end this conversation here. without evidenceNot only did he post evidence, but it's self explanatory.The 70s was the peak of car sales in the US. No decade has ever had car sales of that amount since. Yet the F-150 sold about 40% of what it does today.
>>29132524Goddamn I wish I didn't live in Satan's asshole where they shit out salt constantly as soon as a single snowflake drops. They could use sand but it's more expensive than salt and faggot pedestrians complain about "the mess" yet they're fine with salt completely raping grass, other plants and small critters on the sides of the road.
>>29132533>No they weren't.Yea they were. like the other anon said, trucks were always a big part of american car culture. the only thing that changed is redditors trying to pretend they weren't.>so you're trying to justify historical revisionismYou started with revisionism by stating people only bought what they needed back then, with zero evidence, and i'm saying you can easily apply the same blanket statement now.the only thing that has changed is you pretending to know the lives of millions you've never met and what they do and don't need based on images from reddit.
>>29132524Hawaii also has nasty volcanic emissions that are bad for cars.
>>29132272not a single gay ass "luxury" pick up truck or suv driven by a stupid bitch soccer mom or fat manlet faggot. what joy
>>29132536this is in Los Angeles. there are some imports here because California always liked them.
>>29132539>like the other anon said, trucks were always a big part of american car cultureLOL, no they weren't. People cared about muscle cars, sedans, etc. Trucks were just for work.>You started with revisionismThat was my first post, but no, the first post you're replying to is correct and you're just making shit up.>the only thing that has changed is you pretending to know the lives of millionsTrucks weren't popular until the 90s as daily drivers. This isn't making shit up, but this truth seems to upset you.
>>29132536>all of the trucks in this pic are unambiguously for work and not for personal driving
>>29132536>this brainlet ass response and doubling down on retardationlmao, thanks for proving you don't read books, redditor.>Not only did he post evidenceIt's not evidence, though. it doesn't explain anything.>The 70s was the peak of car sales in the US. No decade has ever had car sales of that amount since. Yet the F-150 sold about 40% of what it does today.Because people who bought cars jumped to crossovers and SUVs. the amount of trucks sold comparatively has stayed the same. there are charts even showing this. you're as retarded as he is.
>>29132522The only ones that look remotely similar are those by the same manufacturer. For instance, there are 5(!) 68-70 Dodge B-bodies easily visible, along with multiples of other siblings from other manufacturers such as the 3 67-68 Mustangs, 3 Caprices, and at least 2 DeVilles easily visible without even doing an exhaustive search and categorization. What's mildly interesting is how closely they're grouped by model years.
>>29132544>LOL, no they weren'tyea they were. why do you think people restore them and take them to car shows along with the muscle cars?>the first post you're replying to is correct because reddit told me solmao.>Trucks weren't popular until the 90s as daily drivers because reddit told me solmfaostill waiting for that data documenting the lives of what millions of people supposedly did and didn't do with their trucks.
vgh... So many trucks and SUVs!Find some images of a general store in some "single Main Street" flyover town from the 60s-70s and I'm sure it'll be nothing but pickup trucks parked around, sure, but I'll also bet those dudes also almost never went into town.>>29132547>didn't post a single source stillLol, you gonna learn me something or not? Read your post again (since you enjoy reading), you're the one acting like a redditor by claiming to be all holier-than-thou with nothing to back it up. Try again.
>>29132528>>29132536this, everything was so much better just look at these cars the cars are so pretty i love car and sitting in car and pretty carhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQfqxrPD_nk
well my mother is 72 and was there. she said that yes in the 60s pickup trucks were Jed Clamplett shit and not commonly found in suburban neighborhoods.
>>29132549I think the dense model year figure has to do with LA becoming the suburban city it was at basically that exact time. You'd be able to get a good job there but at the same time you'd feel compelled to buy a car.
>>29132515they use salt in the UK even though only Scotland gets real winters
>>29132552>>didn't post a single source stillA source for what? you not being from that timeline and not knowing what millions of people did with their cars? this is a fact. so you telling me what they did despite not knowing them would be revisionist history. Saying "they only bought what they needed" is made up bullshit with no evidence. me telling you that is not is not me making an equally wild claim.
>>29132557ummm no sweaty that doesnt fit the narrative, those car's are just objectively good and there is no other reason anyone bought one??
>>29132510the Suburban was definitely a better family hauler than a B-body wagon. easier to see out of, maneuver, and had tons more interior space.
>>29132551>why do you think people restore themPeople restore anything, and trucks aren't huge in the restoration scene, btw.>lmao>lmaoRetard.>still waiting for that data documenting the lives of what millions of people supposedly did and didn't do with their trucks.Right, because you're the only one claiming that in the first place. Bits like the 70s being the biggest decade for car sales but a minor footnote for truck sales are inconvenient truths to you.
>>29132272Man the Mustang really was tiny.
>>29132552Those are all ivory tower egghead liberals, not real Americans.
>>29132562They didn't sell a lot of trucks because trucks actually last. And people weren't all pederasts and actually observed Jesus so the generation was mostly the same age, since they only had sex once they were mature. So they didn't need to buy new trucks every year. The family truck would last decades.
>>29132560You seem upset, what I said has nothing to do with morality or whatever is obviously just your political identity.
>>29132566What a whole load of gay shit to justify your >2020 commuter truck purchase.
>>29132512that's a goddamn spider
>>29132562>People restore anything, and trucks aren't huge in the restoration scenesay what? vintage trucks are always popular. all 90s cars are long gone from the road but i still see 30 year old Rangers, F-series, and Silverados around.
>>29132567Your so retarded and obviously a flaming homo and 100% foreverially a pedophile. Trucks are the only truely American vehicle and conveyance. Kill yourself libshit coastie.
>>29132562>People restore anything, and trucks aren't huge in the restoration scene, btw.why didn't they restore all those better engineered front wheel drive japanese cars? why is that one retard only posting wikipedia and auction images instead of facebook market place listings? apparently people don't restore shit they don't care about. and people cared about their trucks not to just throw them away like you would a work tool.>because you're the only one claiming that in the first place.no, i'm claiming that you're making shit up. this isn't the same thing as me telling you how people back then bought cars.>Bits like the 70s being the biggest decade for car sales but a minor footnote for truck sales people switched from cars to SUVs and crossovers. truck sales stayed comparatively the same. already debunked.
>>29132571You are an unironic closested faggot.
>>29132572>people switched from cars to SUVs and crossovers. truck sales stayed comparatively the same. already debunked.F-150 sales were 40% of what they are today.
>>29132573Trucks are king. You're a pedophile. Keep driving that altima, nigger.
>>29132558Poland gets salted out the ass too despite there not really being any real winters for some time now. As soon as it gets slightly colder they start chucking this shit everywhere.
>>29132576No, you're an unironic closested faggot. You went from being upset that trucks get called out in a vintage car thread for being non-existent to screaming pedophile shit. You're unambiguously the thing you're screaming about, because all you do is trying to get ahead of the conversation rather than dispute it.
>>29132575then there were 40% less car buyers. the market share of trucks hasn't changed much.
>>29132581You're a pedophile and you probably put salt on your driveway because you're a retarded non. Enjoy your ivory tower, faggot pedo. Surely nothing has EVER gone wrong with big shiny towers that are an affront to God...
>>29132570Those aren't restorations, those are just those cars still on the road.And that's not a truck thing, it's just certain 90s cars from certain brands that left the road today. You still exactly as many rangers on the road as you do Chrysler minivans from the same era.
>>29132583You are an actual pedophile because you keep screaming about it constantly.Nobody has forgotten that this is about the fact that you're upset that trucks were a rarity.
>>29132586Trucks aren't "a rarity" you pony obsessed weirdo. They are the one true American vehicle.
>>29132582>the decade that saw the largest total units of cars made had 40% less buyersuh huh, so you don't know how math worksAlso lol @ your graph, it literally says the majority of SUV sales are large SUVs and not Crossovers.
like i said, it was a weird thing that in the 70s, Dodge pickup trucks were mostly fleet rather than retail, but Dodge sold a lot more retail vans while Ford and Chevy vans went more to fleet sales.
>>29132590>aren'tWe know, we're talking about the 70s, you're talking about today, while strangely screaming pedophile every chance you get. I wonder why that is.
>>29132591>>the decade that saw the largest total units of cars made had 40% less buyersdo you think america had a three hundred million population back in the fucking 70s? there were less people to buy vehicles, so there were less F150 sales. the people who bought cars switched to SUVs and crossovers. less than 20% of all vehicles on the road were trucks back in the 70s and there are less than 20% of trucks on the road today.the only thing that has changed in all of this, is the invention of reddit telling people they don't know how they live their lives.>says the majority of SUV sales are large SUVs and not Crossovers.I said "SUV and Crossovers" nigglet. I didn't say one or the other. people switched out of sedans for these two vehicle segments.
>>29132598Go back to /mlp/ you retarded non. Trucks built this country and no amount of chinkmade photos of LA traffic will change that.
>>29132600>chink>the 70s>pedo pedo pedoThis is the best this pedophile can do
>>29132599>do you think america had a three hundred million population back in the fucking 70s?No, dipshit? Is this supposed to matter?THE TOTAL NUMBER OF CARS ACTUALLY SOLD PEAKED IN THE 1970S. DEAL WITH IT.Despite this, trucks were a smaller portion of sales.
>>29132582>>29132591>>29132599>>29132606America is too big for stats to work the same they do in eurocuck land. 80% here is not the same as 80% in goymany.
>>29132582This graph is so fucking stupid. All the lines don't even take up half the height for 2020. Do you seriously expect me to believe that fewer cars have been sold overall in 2020 than in 1975?
>>29132606>No, dipshit? Is this supposed to matter?yea, otherwise your retarded notion of F150 sales being down 40% while their comparative numbers stayed the same between the total amount of vehicles on the road doesn't actually mean anything.>THE TOTAL NUMBER OF CARS ACTUALLY SOLD PEAKED IN THE 1970SNope, we actually sell more cars today. unless you are strictly talking about "sedans" in which case, no shit? they crossover and SUVs weren't a thing yet.>trucks were a smaller portion of sales.uh by what? a percentage or two? they were less than 20% of vehicles on the road and they remain that way today.
>>29132627>Nope, we actually sell more cars todayLook at the graph you posted, retard. The lines go down.
>>29132632"cars" meaning all vehicles on the road, dipshit. you're talking strictly about sedans.
>>29132636The. Lines. Go. Down. What do you not understand about that? Your graph makes no sense. Did we sell more cars today than in 1975 or not? According to what you posted, we sold less than then.
>>29132638>the line for SEDANS goes down>the line for SUVs and Crossovers go up>the total number of vehicles sold today has gone up with the total population>nigger doesn't understand a COMPARATIVE chart
>>29132639Do you even understand how large America is? The way (((you))) use stats in the EU won't work here.
>>29132522I don't see it. They all have character. The fact that you can easily spot a foreign car in that pic says volumes.
>>29132272Automatics put more retards on the road
>>29132285The Toronado was FWD while even cheap jap cars were all RWD. It was America pioneering that garbage.
>>29132629That classic LA smog.
>>29132272WWII vets all on the brink of chimping out.
>>29132592>Dodge sold a lot more retail vans while Ford and Chevy vans went more to fleet salesIMO, having driven some of each from that era, the Dodges were too soft for commercial work and would have appealed to regular people more due to the soft suspension. Probably a bit cheaper too.
>>29132641>Do you even understand how large America isThe EU is larger by land mass, population and GDP, retard
>no offramps or onramps, exits are just there>no straight lines, there's random sharp curves every forty feet>shitty '60s and '70s tires and brakesHow did NYC have this much SOVL back then?
>>29133478Dodge offered more luxury options in their vans than the others. This all ended in the early 80s when Iaccoca de-contented them to save money and originally expected the full-sized vans to be completely replaced with smaller, more fuel-efficient minivans at some point. From then onward the Dodge vans were strictly bare bones work vehicles.
>>29132430>That traffic isn't bad, it's just dense.That means its bad traffic. You just have traffic based stockholm syndrome.t. bumpkin
>>29132473My car is about to have its 19th winter in the kill zone, knock on wood
>>29133535make sure to get the undercarriage coated in the salt belt, you should be able to get a couple winters out of it. the factory coatings are not good enough by themselves.
>>29133542funds are very limited atm otherwise I would, she's gonna have to put up with the abuse a little longer
>>29133542Especially not Japanese factory coatings.
>>29132300>>safer to drivepussy
>>29132619>fewer cars have been sold overall in 2020 than in 1975?thats pretty believable imo. dont they say that the average car on the road today is 12 years old, i.e. the oldest they've ever been?
>>29132473Wash your car.Spray the undercarriage and inside of the frame and panels with oil. It really is that easy. 50+ years ago people would take old motor oil or chainsaw oil, either spray it or brush it on everywhere, then drive over a dirt road to seal it in good. Whalla, no rust.
>>29132582also doing quick mental arithmetic, both the dots in 1975 and 2020 add up to about 100% so i think youre just getting confused visually
>>29133441>this one american car was FWD and some japanese sports cars were RWDwhat were the best selling japanese and american cars again?
>>29133635it's almost 13 now
>>29133643i wonder what happened 13 years ago?
>>29133645uhh gamergate?
>>29132629>>29133445it's genuinely a good thing that leaded fuel was dropped from use.imagine every single generation being as retarded and malicious as the boomers, or more
>>29133724>imagine every single generation being as retarded and malicious as the boomers, or morei dont have to imagine
>>29134372nah, if that was a thing when they were around, it would have been tied into the S&P500
>>29134747https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Strategic_Bitcoin_Reserve
>>29132272Car manufacturers found out they could avoid emission limits by making "light trucks". They then proceeded to convince people that these large vehicles were hip and cool, and getting into massive debt was super rad
>>29132368If you have a 1980's car that still works today that's absolutely not a shitbox
>>29132272THE DIFFERENCE IS BACK THEN THERE WAS ONLY WHITES IN TRAFFIC SO GRIDLOCK WAS GOOD
>>29135281Unironically this because there was no chance of getting stuck next to some nigger playing monkey bass at 130 decibels with the windows down.
legit how tf did mutts drive 200hp rwd cars with the shitty ass tires of the time?
>>291322721970's did. In a effort to not give money to Arab countries they made laws that effectively made sedans and small cars non-viable while also giving exceptions to duty vehicles like trucks and SUV's. Car companies realized that if they just convinced people that trucks/SUV's were better than sedans, then they could sell more vehicles at a higher cost with minimal R&D.
>>29132288New skyline is also going to be manual option too, though with the twin turbo v6 from the current Z. Really the camaro is actually still in the psudeo unconfirmed area as gm has said their is plans to but haven't shown anything else. Ford actually (from a leak dealer event) has a 4 door mustang with a manual that is in final stages
>>29135328>effectively made small cars non-viable>everyone pivoted to front wheel drive asian slop>truck sales stayed comparatively the sameand the dumb nigger award goes to...
>>29135334Asian and certain European cars litterslly started life meeting every single requirement from fuel standards which is why both took off. For US manufacturers small cars and sedans became entirely non-viable as they had to re-engineer their cars from scratch or handicap them to the point where people picked japanese/euro anyway
>>29135337American brands INCREASED small car offerings onward from the 70s. the Chrysler K platform, the GM J-body, the Ford Fox/Topez, etc. they were more viable than ever.
During the early 80s Detroit largely re-tooled for smaller FWD cars in the assumption of permanent Europe-tier gas prices. That ultimately didn't happen and gas became cheap again, but nobody was going to go back to RWD cars so they instead used trucks to fill the market for traditional land barges.
>>29135345>>29135344it did allow a lot of poors to own a car who couldn't before
>>29135345Traditional barges were still there, the Crown Vic lasted until 2011, the B-body chevy lasted until 98, and Chrysler introduced the LX cars in the 2000s. People buying sedans didn't switch to trucks, they switched to crossovers. (which is why the sales of trucks stayed comparatively the same). Only crossovers saw a huge spike in comparative sales overtaking everything else on the market. You retards keep trying to scapegoat trucks but ignore the nigger nutting inside your wife i.e the Crossover. the most popular vehicle platform by far.
>>29135347>B-bodykept alive out of spite, GM execs wanted it dead before 1998>Crown VicBuilt in leafland to get around labor requirements>LXFWD abortions that didn't even last 5 years
>>29135347>Traditional barges were still there, the Crown Vic lasted until 2011, the B-body chevy lasted until 98ancient 70s platforms kept around mostly for the fleet market
>>29135358>kept alive out of spiteCope>Built in leafland not in the 80s, it wasn't. more cope.>LX>FWDAh, yes. the front wheel drive charger hellcat. dumb nigger.>>29135359>ancient 70s platformsWhat do you think trucks were, nig-for-brains? nothing was stopping (You) a civilian from buying one. you'd rather have your front wheel drive honda instead and Ford took note of that and the land barge died off. you can't simultaneously spit on the legacy of these vehicles then blame anyone but yourselves that they're gone.
>>29135359Ditto old people.
>>29135359One reason for the rise of trucks was the South and West increasingly dictating market trends.
>>29135361>What do you think trucks wereThe F-series was getting regular updates--1978-86, 87-91, 92-96, 97-01, etc. Dodge pickups did stay the same for over 20 years but more because Chrysler couldn't afford to update them.
>>29135359They were fleet/old guy cars even in the 80s.
The Japanese always did regular updates of their cars every few years. New platforms and engines. One didn't have stuff like the Panther platform lasting 32 years.
>>29135366>The F-series was getting regular updatesit was the same ass ancient engine on the same ass ancient platform. whatever "updated" engines, technologies, and features it got could be found on the crown vic such as the switch from the Windsor engine to the Modular one.>>29135368Ironically you know what they did have last 30+ years unchanged that /o/ celebrates them for? The 70 series land cruiser. a truck. You shit on sedans for being outdated but praise an ancient truck. Manufacturers are only responding to your demands. Less ancient sedans more front wheel drive, keep the ancient trucks. the mind of the faggot millennial. can't realize he is his own undoing.
>>29135366even then it wasn't a guarantee in 1980 that they would still be around in five years. Detroit assumed $8 gas would come and they would be selling nothing but compact pickups with I4s.
>>29135374The Taurus was originally meant as the new FWD family sedan for the 80s that would replace the Panther platform.
>>29132300>>29132300>>29132300>>29132300>>29132300
>>29132457>MarchAre you really from upstate? Every few years it snows in fucking April. I wouldn't take anything I care about out until the 2nd week of April minimum.
>>29135359a real problem with the Panthers was their stodgy old person image. an Explorer was cool, a Crown Vic was not.
>>29135374by the time HW Bush was president the Crown Vic was a decade old car and felt and looked as current as a leisure suit.
>>29135403>aprildownstate doesn't know 'bout our mothers' day snow showers
the Chrysler LH cars were originally supposed to be RWD as evidenced by the driveshaft tunnel and longitudinal engine but eventually they dropped that idea
>>29135405it was always an old guy/fleet car from the beginning in 79
>>29135374originally the Panther platform was supposed to last to about 85
>>29135405the B-bodies at least had a moment of being cool in the late 70s
All these pictures really drive home just how popular the VW beetle was back in the day. I know they sold well globally, but seeing such a tiny car be so prevalent even in the US just makes it all the more obvious just how popular it was.
>>29135432a lot of poors were able to drive because of the Beetle
>>29135437back before small 4 cylinder cars became widespread during the 70s, the Beetle nearly had a monopoly on that market. Detroit were not interested in poorfags for the most part.
>>29135432They were popular with degenerates. if Furies existed back then, they all would've drove these and they would've had various animal ears and tails on them.
>>29135439They might offer a low trim Chevy or something but it was still an I6 so not as low end as a Beetle.
>>29135439I4s had disappeared from domestic makes since the Depression era. for a long time only imports had them.
>>29135439>>29135442>>29135444America's I6s lasted forever. you were honestly better off paying a little more to get one over settling for a beetle.
>>29135444Willys had had the last domestic I4 until the Chevy II in 1962.
>>29135448that is correct even AMC the self-styled poorfag car company still only had I6s as their bottom end models
>>29134818Remind me what generation the president is from
>>29135492sleepy joe is from the """greatest""" generation, buncha losers lmao
>>29132272The air in any slightly populous area was so thick with leaded smog you couldn't go outside, but boomers did it anyway and it's why they're all retarded. They literally all got lead poisoning. Fuck that, would not wanna live like that. I'm glad I only get poisoned by goyslop and "cloud seeding" chemicals.
>>29132272Carbine people have actually gone to the point where they want traffic to be worse though they can spend more time in their car and less time interacting with their obese half Mexican wife who hates them and who also see them as nothing but a contemptible cuckold
>>29135319bias plys have less grip than radials, but when you push them to the limit, their loss of traction is much more gradual than radials, so they're much more forgiving.
>>29135795is there an explanation for dummies as to how this shit works?
>>29135803Take this with a pinch of salt, but in my experience it feels like bias plys have such little grip that, when they do let go, it's at far less of an extreme and is therefore easier to predict and control. Bias plys are like someone unexpectedly, but gently pushing you out of the way, whereas radials are like being fully prepared before being violently shoved.
>>29132272This is like that white crossover image that gets posted here every other week, but old
