I'll start. Picrel is called a Pagani Zonda.
>>29122504Saleen S7
>>29122504The rice patty that runs that company has been putting body kits on this pos since gran turismo 4.
>>29122504Koenigsegg CC.
>>29122504Mosler MT900
>>29122504Panoz Esperante.
>>29122504Ferrari Enzo Ferrari.
>>29122504Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren
>>29122504Maserati MC12.
>>29122504Porsche Carrera GT.
>>29122504Ford GT.
>>29122504Lamborghini Murcielago.
>>29122504SRT Viper
>>29122504Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG
nothing itt is forgotten. this thread sucks dick.
>>29122504McLaren MP4-12C
>>29122535Nobody talks about them anymore. They're forgotten.
>>29122504Lexus LFA
>>29122504Aston-Martin One-77
>>291225142006 near me for $35k and 46k miles
>>29122539They're not the current hot thing to bench race, that's all. They're basically all appreciating, so clearly they aren't forgotten.
>>29122504Ferrari Maranello.
Isdera Commendatore 112i
Lamborghini Cala
>>29122539You are underage and brown, with no concept of any life or mind other than your own and what Tiktok feeds you. Go away. This thread is fucking garbage.
>>29122547>They're not the current hot thing to bench raceSo... forgotten.
>>29122559>Go away. This thread is fucking garbage.Nobody is forcing you uncs to view and post in this thread. You have free will....Right?
>>29122504Porsche 911 GT1
>>29122504Aston-Martin DBS
>>29122504TVR Sagaris
Mazda Miata
autistic as fuckyou just know op has a deviantart account with 300 images of "characters from baby cartoon i really like" screenshots
>>29122504Spyker C8
>>29122607>autistic as fuck>you just know op has a deviantart account with 300 images of "characters fromDo you even like cars lol, wrenchlet, nta
>>29122551this thing looks cool... except for the headlights, jesus
>>29122504Thanks OP I never heard of any of these all forgotten cars.
none of those are forgotten besides maybe isdera and panozconsider this condescending duck
>>29122504>v12>height-adjustable suspension>4wd>wider than a humvee (rear seats actually have a lot of room as a result)
>>29122644size comparison to an F40
the ultimate supercar
>>29122527>>29122533Not forgotten. the Viper and Ford GT are the kings of mile runs and street racing rolls. the Ford GT repeatedly breaks its own records and twin turbo Vipers make super bikes look slow. both these cars are very much relevant in the media all these years later.
>forgotten???
>>29122705Comparing a heavily tuned Snek to a stock bike is a bit unfair though
Mitsuoka Orochi
>>29122644>>29122646The funniest shit is that it was made by the a company focused entirely on glorified mobility scooters.
>>29122726a set of twin turbos running on low boost with nothing else altered isn't heavily tuned. 226 MPH is still slower than Vipers.
>>29122506>>29122522>>29122534Only real answers itt
Only the true autists will recognize this car
>>29122787that's one car that will never be forgotten
>>29122855It will once the gran turismo millennials grow old.
>>29122525I will never not want a Fayence yellow Carrera GT. Ultimate dream car
>>29122504IYKYK
>>29122506>Steve Saleen tries to deal with the chinese>Everyone tells him what a terrible idea it is>Gets everything stolen from himUnfortunate, but beserved.
>>29122767This is the one from gran turismo with the mid engine RB26 right? The handling was pretty shit iirc it was AWD
>>29122718Gullwing doors are boring compared to a gullwing engine compartment.
>Astons and Saleens>forgottenHow about some actual obscure shit.Venturi Atlantique 400GT.
>>29122506>>29122883I loved Steve Saleen until he did that. At least Carroll Shelby had the dignity to die a legend and not a typical boomer.
>>29123024If it was in Gran Turismo, it isn't obscure.
>>29123026Shelby was Silent Generation, Saleen was and is Der Ewige Boomer.
>>29122767Even fewer will recognise this one.
>>29123161>Shelby was Silent Generationexplains why he was so exceptional at everything yet so modest. what a fucking man.
Nissan R390
>>29122522such a fucking cool car
>>29122752Only the French would do such a thing. Props to them.>>29122866It's really GenX who fawn over them the most.
Toyota GT One
Mitsubishi GTO Twin Turbo
>>29122756>226 MPH is still slower than Vipers.No it's not
>>29123513I loved this in Gran Turismo
>>29123537Quickest/fastest Viper is Ned Dunphy's 2013 one making 4000+hp, did a [email protected] this year
>>29123564>the BULGE of that hood>five separate side dump exhausts on each sideI am a little erect.
>>29123548simply the GOAT
>>29123537I wasn't talking about quarter miles, I was talking about roll races, which the viper is more known for destroying bikes in video footage. a drag racing bike isn't being driven on the street.
>>29123024Sam Hyde has one lol
>>29124010Dsmn why do ugly exploitative rapist Jews get all the cool stuff?
>>29123605>>29123564It's a custom tube frame running a TT V8. Is there any Viper left?
>>29124022Yes, surprisingly
The 918 is a personal favorite. Not really forgotten, same as 90% of cars im the tbread. These were $850,000 just 10 years ago and already go for $2.5 to $8 million at auction. Great investment if you ordered one, especially in non-silver.
>>29124022>fastest Viper is V8V10 bros, we lost...
>>29123910>roll races, which the viper is more known for destroying bikes in video footageThose are fully built 2,000hp cars lmao
DeTomaso Pantera GT5-S
Noble
Vector W8 was my dream car as a youth in 1992.
>>29124630The 80s fighter jet interior was pure fantasy.
>>29124435a fully built viper would make way more than just 2000 HP. you don't even need a 2000 HP ACR to destroy bikes. the traction advantage alone fucks up most squids who struggle to put their power down.
>>29124022There is not.>one giant exhaust dump each side with five fake tips and it isn't even a V10>full tube frame car with a slap and stick inspection to be "road legal," one of the many of the sort that have taken over drag week instead of the original "run what you brung" styleI rescind my boner and SPIT on this car. PTOO.
>>29122504i still think the Zonda looks very good
>>29124470the press car they sent to top gear ruined them
>>29124630That the car used in the classic Spy Hunter arcade game?
>>29124766the original and utopia are the best looking onesall the over the top aggressove aero im sure is great on a track but makes it look like saudibait>>29124771ginettas are cute
>>29123512That's a race version from a video game.This is the real GT-One.
>>29123951That's a plane anon
>>29125240What do you mean?
>>29125243Nevermind I got mixed up with this
Also here is some trully forgotten stuff
>>29124743Everything that isn't carbon here is OEM
>>29122504the Pagani Zonda F from the press photos is still my all-time favorite.
>>29125240>people still think the CLK GTR went airborne Truly a forgotten supercar.
>>29125246Man, you can tell just by looking at it that the nose would be way too slippery at speed.
>one of the more unique mclarens out of their endless stream of kinda forgettable mp4-12c derivatives they are still milking to this day>seems to be the most forgotten one outside of the pedestrian models
>>29125351There was no media launch at all, why bother when they're all sold?
>>29124741Anon the vipers fucking up bikes on highway roll races on 'low boost' runs are the ""low"" setting well into four digits, with massive turbos that move a lot of air. We've all seen the calvo cars and the other turbo vipers making stretched sport bikes look like a bitch, they're built cars with sequentials knock it off.
>>29125293It just saved supercars though
This the unc thread?
>>29125394Duh, how you gonna member' forgotten shit?
>>29125394yeah
>>29125394Yeah. If you can name this car to prove your age, you can stay. Otherwise it's time to vamoose back to tickety-tocks, zoomer.
>>29125486Grotti Turismo Classic
>>29125367plenty of them fuck up bikes with regular manuals and less than 2000 HP. and that's with the bikes also running nitrous or being "built" by themselves. I don't know why you're coping so much.wait till you realize what bikes get beat by on the track.
>>29125502Listen, kid. I think you'll be more comfortable in that place.
I love how this entire thread is just a selection of the most recognizable supercars of the 2000s bar 1 retarded dumbass bullshit car that is barely a supercar
>>29125433Nice, just tried to DL some from that set on my phone and just getting fucking webps
>>29125594right? You're a literal child if think the Enzo or Zonda is "forgotten"
>>29125594>bar 1 retarded dumbass bullshit car that is barely a supercarWhich one?
>>29125620The Benz
>>29125220Same fucking thing, moron.
>>29122514Not a super>>29122541Not a super>>29122550Not a super>>29122570Not a super>>29122574Super gay>>29123024Not a super>>29123513Not a super
>>29125649>erhm ackschuyuallyYeah you're right, anything classified as "Super" must come from Forza Online or any edition of Gran Turismo, or a concept paper design nobody's heard of before that isn't Ferrari, Maclaren, Koenigs, Lamborghini.
>>29125651Which one of the non-supers are you pissed off at me for highlighting?
>>29125654You know what, knowing the average mindset of you people, I'm not even going to bother answering that question, because I know the first immediate thing you'll shitpost is, "lol cope and seethe", no matter what the answer will be. You are not worthy.
>>29125657Well year you're clearly seething right now lmao
>>29125651>>29125657It was the Miata, wasn't it? It's ok anon it's a safe space here for homos. We even gens full of them for Miata owners :)
>>29125660True, but in 20 minutes I won't be, and you'll still be a retard.
>>29125257TUBEFRAMEVEEEIGHT
>>29125695STILLAVIPER
>>29125394no, it's unf
>>29125662Let me guess, the reason why you hate Miatas is because you got mogged by one at an earlier point in time, didn't you. It's ok anon, it's a safe space here to vent out your trauma.
>>29125257Two doors and a roof? Wow cool, it's basically a Fiero.
>>29125862it's not the v8 that incites anger. the famous zakspeed viper gts-r ran on only eight cylinders during the rule fuckery and everyone loved itit's originally having eight exhausts and then adding two more to make people THINK it still has a v10
>>29125281How?
>>29125651not him but i agree with SOME of itno one would call a 3000GT a supercar, if there was ever a jap coupe that's the definition of a grand tourer that would be it, even with a cool racing livery and all. TVR stuff exists in its own bubble lacking the (supposed) refinement or exclusivity of 'super' cars, more "oi m8 gimme a quid an' you too can hit 200MPH with booger welds an' a cuppa", somehow not unique among brits because AC, mosler, etc all exist too. however the miata was obviously posted as a joke and by replying to it seriously, he confirms his own autism and nullifies the whole post
>>29126011*mosler is floridian. i forgot which one i was actually thinking of. morgan?
>>29126011Okay, fair take.So then I ask, what makes a car, a 'supercar'? Exotic body design? High performance engine? 0-60 in <2.5 seconds? Built instead of bought? All of the above? Not asking just to mess around, just genuinely curious.
>>29126043Exclusivity, probably. It's self fueling hart fuffing unrelated to performance or mechanicals, hence why Corvettes that spank supercars are never considered supercars themselves. Not that definitions don't change over time, what we usually call muscle cars now were called super cars in the press of the day.
>>29126001The air never gets redirected to the front splitter when your hood is completely level with the ground. It completely ignores it, so the air just keeps going straight and smashes into the windshield at full speed without ever going over the car, lifting the nose up.
>>29126128ohhh, i kinda get it nowin retrospect the area where hood meets windshield is really clunky, it looks like a school bus
>>29126077If exclusiveness is the real defining trait, what would seperate a super car from a luxury car? Or what about production numbers, would a car be super if its exclusiveness comes from being just in general obscure and not having many made?I think the take that a super car is a car which cannot be tuned further is the actual answer. Corvettes arn't supers but beat supers because as a platform they can be heavily tuned beyond stock configuration, while some flavor of lambo is already fairly pushed with what it can get away with.
>>29125355They did a lot more media for the equally limited Senna aka yet another boring track special, up to and including bribing Forza to put it into their next game as the hero car. They could stand out from the rest with the Speedtail, instead all the coverage it got was that its top speed was electronically limited because unlike Bugatti they don't trust the tires- same tires ze germans used to set the record.
>>29122551>>29122557It's timehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69-J2m_GyhI&
>>29122787My goat
>>29125644No, moron. The racecar has a radio antenna and the roadcar has the inlet under the windshield covered. Stop being such a stupid bitch.
>>29125503>wait till you realize what bikes get beat by on the track.By $300k supercars?
>>29126717no, by a 60k camaro.
>>29126849>BTGlollmao even
>>29126850BTG for the bike, not the camaro. if it did a full lap, the driver says it would be even slower.
>>29126849
>>29126669lol angry much? upset over a car used in a video game that also exists in real life? it's okay anon
>>29126937>if you reduce the amount of corners you have to take, the bike can winlol
>>29122504Bugatti Veyron
anything aston martin
>>29126625>what would seperate a super car from a luxury car?performanceyes, modern "luxury cars" have an obsession with rubber band tires, launch assist and nurburgring times. no, i do not approve of this, and if it were up to me they wouldn't be called luxury cars, but a third, new thing i do not have a name for. the performance of luxury cars of the past was of the subdued, "there if you need it" type. even if the car had a 7L V8, print ads would still mention how it was so quiet and smooth you wouldn't even think about it (i'm remembering one exact ad for I think Lincoln but can't find it at the moment)>I think the take that a super car is a car which cannot be tuned further is the actual answer. Corvettes arn't supers but beat supers because as a platform they can be heavily tuned beyond stock configuration, while some flavor of lambo is already fairly pushed with what it can get away with.no offense but that's bullshit, cars can always be tuned and modified furtherhell, lambos and other exotics especially. joe schmo on the street or mohammad al'haseen bin'driveen un-da-weed aren't driving the epitome of the car (the oil guys probably own one, but it just sits in storage next to their 400 other ferraris)
Zamn... McLaren makes cars that look like THAT?!
>>29122504>you now remember the car car that tried to fake a world record
>>29127795the ssc tuatara
>>29127795The Mclaren F1.
>>29125503>and that's with the bikes also running nitrous or being "built"Post em
>>29128028https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svI3XwDpdWk
>>29127903The McLaren F1 that still broke the production car record at 221mph and was still the fastest car in the world, by both metrics?
>>29128389no return run and it was a journalist driving an XP5 prototype, the car that was never sold to anyone (i.e not production).
>>29128389>>29128418also the fastest "car" in the world, was the callaway sledgehammer.
VUHL 05 (Mexican supercar from before the Banana republic leftist dictator, AMLO, took power in 2018 and made the whole country worse to live in.)
>>29128421>can we see the data from the speed run?Just trust me bro>can I buy a Sledgehammer?Nah
>>29127171>Bugatti VeyronYou're being sarcastic right?
>>29128118I said well into four digits, with massive turbos that move a lot of air>they're less than 2000 hp though>theyre not built though"We stumbled upon a wicked nth Moto built Twin Turbo Viper ACR"You're retarded and you're brown, it's exactly the car I was describing. I accept your concession, you can kill yourself now.
>>29128917>it's exactly the car I was describing.Nope. you described something "fully built with a sequential" and that car isn't it. sorry you're butthurt about bikes being slow and not being able to turn.
>>29128702so exactly like the XP5 Mclaren F1. what's the problem?
>>29123024IS THAT A SUPRA?!1!!1!!
>>29128917>with massive turbos that move a lot of airvery vague nothing burger qualifier also.
>>29122544Yo buy that shit nigga!
>>29122551https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF9fawPNyPw
>>29129115It's a built engine and a built trans, even if still H-pattern.>>29129119You mentioned 'low boost'. Boost is just restriction, low boost settings on big ass twin snails = a lot of power. They're built cars well into four digits and you're a disingenuous faggot claiming a 1,700hp viper is just "a set of twin turbos running on low boost with nothing else altered"
>>29122504>zonda>forgottenLiterally every car pagani has ever built is a zonda, they've not forgotten it
>>29129225You were already shown a "built" bike that also ran nitrous that still got shit on by what isn't even close to a "fully built" viper. even this >>29122726 dragster bike that isn't street legal and can't turn at all is still slower than pic related viper that has a full interior and could still go around corners that ran a 6.20.>low boost settings on big ass twin snails = a lot of power.Only on something like the Viper engine. the same size turbo on a Poopra would not get you the same power at the same boost pressure.>They're built cars well into four digits Well it's nice to know bikes can't compete regardless of how they're "built" themselves so you can stop coping.
>>29129410You're wrong. XDA pro street bikes must be street legal
>>29128708When was yhe last time you heard about anybody talking about a Veyron?
These would have been so sick
>>29122504
Brabham BT-62
Lotec C1000
>>29129571It was talked about for like a decade when it was the pop culture known "fastest car in the world". It's like saying Usain Bolt is a forgotten or obscure guy because he is no longer the worlds fastest runner.
>>29129922>Usain BoltWho?
>>29130217Some washed up nigger.
>>29129922>wasexactly>"fastest car in the world"and that's the only thing people remembered about it, when it still was that
Carlsson C25
>>29130278>@grok make the SL class look cooler
>>29130251>and that's the only thing people remembered about itIt was also parroted non-stop for having a batshit complex engine with the W16. Look when people say bugatti almost everyone's mind goes to veyron. It's no where near obscure compared to the rest of the cars in this thread unless you want to argue bugatti itself is obscure which is also pretty absurd.Now if we were talking about something like pic related I'd get the argument, or the original original concept for the veyron.
>>29130251I'm not a Veyron fan, but I think it's the last record-holder people actually cared about. Nothing since has broken into general pop culture.
SAY HIS NAME.
>>29130516>It's no where near obscurethe thread doesn't say obscure cars, it says forgotten carssome cars ITT probably don't deserve to get called forgotten on the base that no one knew them in the first place>Look when people say bugatti almost everyone's mind goes to veyron.if someone mentions bugatti, sure, most people will probably associate it with the veyron. but that requires someone mention bugatti at all first. and whenever someone does, it's typically from some relation to other cars. hardly anyone remembers the veyron by itself.
>>29130516>when people say bugatti almost everyone's mind goes to veyron.No, people think Chiron because that's what they've been making for the last 10 years.
>>29130278The Mercedes SLGT-R
>>29129922Audi Avus Quattro, was the inspiration for the veyron
>>29131137
This thing BTFO'd the 959
>>29130542Volkswagen W12
>>29122535for real, these cars were and are still super popular. this is worse than the "timeless designs."
>>29122504For me, it's the Mosler. It was the last of a tradition of which there wasn't much difference between the roadcar and the racecar, but it could still compete in high-level GT racing. The FIA was do scared of it that they refused to give it GT3 homologation.
>>29131533Saw one of these in parked on a street in upstate NY over the summer, gulf livery with florida plates. I freaked the fuck out. They only made like 15 MT900s
>>29131539>Saw one of these in parked on a street in upstate NY over the summer, gulf livery with florida platesMost likely Alan Wilzig's car. He's a rich Jewish banker from Jersey and looks the part.
>>29131533>>29131552this is basically what the C5 Corvette would've been if it were mid engine.
>>291225041991 Laverda Karla but apparently there's no images anywhere?
>>29131560The C8 has proven that Chevy are only interested in making comfy, overweight automatic barges for boomers. The Mosler was hardcore, never weighed more than 2600lb and was ready to race from the showroom.
1988 Sbarro Challenge III, started life as a Porsche 930 somehow
The C8, I don't hear about them online anymore and they're quite rare even on the streets these days.I've seen more vipers than c8s for the year
>>29133191shame how GM tried to make a mid engine car after all these decades, and it flopped. the New NSX was more popular than that thing.Speaking of New NSX (and the Hybrid Hyper car trio in general) it seems these cars don't get discussed anymore. when the 918, P1, and Laferrari came out, everyone was talking about them. now, they're practically over shadowed by more mundane mid engine cars. the 911 itself completely made the 918 obsolete. the new NSX came out and everyone shit on it for being a hybrid, but now look where the industry is. V6 Hybrid Mclaren, V6 Hybrid Ferrari, and the fastest car around the nurburgring is a V6 hybrid. The New NSX was way ahead of its time. people only just now realize that its setup was the new meta for super cars and all of motorsports.
>>29131137>>29131140Sexo
>>29133191what the fuck were they doing giving this car the ugliest wheels ever
>nobody posted the XJ 220Truly forgotten.
>>29133778I mean it never really existed to begin with (and showed how Jag is possibly the most customer hostile car company in history).
>>29133778>>29133783Bit of a sore subject there
>>29133783They even made a prototype
>>29133783>I mean it never really existed to begin withThey made nearly 300 of them. That's WAY more than a lot of the obscure shit that the uncs and autists in this thread swear are not forgotten.
>>29133919>They made nearly 300 of themNo, they made 1 if you include the prototype.
Jaguar Sport made a V12 supercar but it required hearing protection
>>29133927
>>29133928Lickable
>>29133928nissan R390 was cooler.
>>29133939Same-ish bodies by TWR but they only made one road-going R390, sure it looks better but you can actually buy an XJR-15
>>29133941You could actually buy an R390, too. Nissan would build you one upon request for a million dollars. no one took their offer so they only made one to meet homologation requirements.
>>29133942Wow R390 lore, didn't know that. I thought their whole thing was they just wanted it to be in Gran Turismo so anyone could 'drive' it but maybe that was just cope because nobody bought one
>>29133921No. They made almost 300.
>>29133942>>29133944Nobody was going to pay $1M in '90s money for a car that didn't win Le Mans.
>>29133946No. They didn't.
>>29133948Plenty of people bought F1s before they even started racing them
>>29133943Came to post this. Looks great in some angles and lighting.Here's a '50s V8 "Ferrari competitor" from Spain instead, Pegaso Z102.
>>29133956they only built 62 non racing non prototype non le mans editions of the F1. and they hardly sold all 62 of them before 1995 when they were projected to lose value due to the maintenance that no one was willing to pay. they didn't sell even close to what they had originally planned to build.
>>29133979Right, they sold million dollar cars plural and Le Mans wasn't even part of the deal. I guess cars that competed and lost is a different story. The XJR-15 was a million bucks and sold but it has the XJR-9 engine which won Le Mans
>>29134005the Veyron didn't win le mans at all and sold 3 times what the F1 did.
Nice Colors
>>29133950Yes, they did.
>>29133956McLaren was already the most successful Formula 1 team ever when they launched the F1. Also the advanced engineering and construction was far beyond anything anyone was doing at the time.They still were only able to sell some 60-odd roadcars. Well below the few hundred they were expecting.
>>29134271That's because rap music was popular and social media was established by the time nuBugatti was making cars. It was tailor-made for people that were rich and brown.
>>29134337>the advanced engineering and construction was far beyond anything anyone was doing at the time.it was just a carbon fiber tub, which had already been done.
>>29134355>carbon fiber tubMonocoque. Not a tub. >which had already been done.Not on a roadcar.
>>29134384If you have to add cope qualifiers, your """advanced engineering and construction""" (of throwing carbon fiber at the problem) probably isn't far beyond anything anyone was doing.The EB110, Jaguar XK12, and Centenaire MCA were all road cars that had carbon fiber "monocoques".
>>29122633Damn, I remember finding that thing on some supercar website back in like 2002.B Engineering Edonis, right?
>>29134400>EB110Made up of separate bonded and riveted pieces. Not a solid piece of carbon fiber. >Jaguar XK12Don't know what the fuck you mean by this. You certainly cannot be talking about the XK120 which had a ladder frame and seperate steel and aluminum body panels and not carbon fiber. Literally what the fuck are you talking about???>Centenaire MCAThat used a composite with kevlar. Also so few were built nobody knows the exact production number. Highest figure reports only 16 were made, but only 5 confirmed completed and sold cars. That's rarer than the original GT40 roadcars. lol
>>29134327No, they did not.Again, they only made one if you include the prototype. The concept, design and intention of the XJ220 was never carried to fruition. Fastest road car in the world with AWD and a V12 engine drivetrain. That was what was marketed and advertised from 1988 Birmingham Motor Show onwards with its reveal and pre-orders. When TWR took the contract for production they said they could never deliver the design as was promised, so they completely redesigned the XJ220 to the point that it was a completely different vehicle. The only thing that was kept was the rolling chasis itself, but the actual hard mechanics were completely different from the prototype and what was advertised too buyers. It went from a V12 to a V6 engine, and AWD to RWD.It was so bad and egregious that Jaguar went to court over it as several buyers refused to pay final instalments due to the fact they were falsely advertised a car that Jaguar could make, but chose not to because TWR were not equipped to fulfill the contract they willingly took on.So no, they didn't make almost 300 of them. They never even made a production model.
Cadilac Cien>>29134271The point was $1M in '90s money>>29134411Based and deathtrappilled, hellish red was a fitting color
>>29134419>d-doesn't count!You're coping again.
>>29134419>That used a composite with kevlar.Carbon fiber is a composite (the Centenaire is listed as using Carbon fiber), and the F1 also used kevlar. what the fuck do you think the F1 is made out of that was so earth shattering different..?
>>29134518The F1 chassis was CFRP. Not Kevlar. The only part of the F1 that used Kevlar were the suction fans.The MCA was not a monocoque. It was just a carbon tub with a steel tube subframe. None of the tub constituted any of the exterior body.
>>29134428Nobody was talking about the prototype except you. The car posted in >>29133778 was a production car, but your terminal neurosis made up some fantasy about a prototype.
>>29135517>you don't understand, they used a slightly different kind of plastic arranged in a slightly different way. truly ground breaking shit!cool, what's your cope for the XJR-15.
>>29134479What was the V12 going to be made with?
>>291356051.5 Northstars, I imagine.
>>29135537>*spits on your post*
>>29122767Shame it never went into full production. It had a pretty cool design and concept.
>>29129895I’m still pissed at VW for not making it a production car.
One of the biggest crimes Daimler ever committed was canceling this to avoid internal competition with the SLR.
>>29135610Or two Shortstars?
>>29135701In a semi recent Dino Dalle Carbonare video the founder said that the rights and tooling are for sale to anyone who has the means to build them. Would be cool. For me, though, the ZZ is the sweeter sports car.
>>29135723Oh yeah, I forgot about that video. I really hope someone buys it and updates/modernize some things but keeps it mostly the same. The ZZ has a simple but beautiful design, I love it.
>>29122504The original Zondas really have seem to have been forgotten, anytime they come up in the consciousness these days its always the garish later models and one-offs. The original design is fucking beautiful
>>29135849For me, the design peaked with the F. After that (Cinque onwards) it got a lot more Arabian.
>>29122633Car looks like it’s crying….
>>29135872A-pillar mirrors are a weak spot for me
>>29135539>they used a slightly different kind of plasticCarbon isn't plastic. This is why you failed chemistry. The XJR-15 used carbon and kevlar in a riveted cell. The rear subframe also used steel uprights for structure to hold everything together. At the very least, it can at least still technically count as a monocoque since the top half of the cell makes up the roof of the car. which is more than you can say about the Mega.
>>29135849>anytime they come up in the consciousness these days its always the garish later modelsAgreed. Even more ironic when they try to make it look like a racecar despite Horacio adamantly against racing it and when they did it turned out to be a rolling turd. Look at that thing. It's hideous. Like it crawled out of a swamp.>>29135872Also agree. The Zonda peaked with the S/F era. From the R onwards, it was just a mess of racer wannabes.
I will give you guys 3 cluesIts made by a car part company,was built in 1985 and its one off unit that was succeded
>>29122535>>29122539OP just played Need for Speed: Carbon from 2006 and is just dumping all the cars from there lmaoProbably some 3rd worlder
>>29136620>The F1 chassis was CFRP (aka carbon fiber reinforced plastic)>uh actually it's not plasticso which is it, retard?
I'd say these make the cut, they were brutally quick
>>29136824Zender Vision2 . But I'm an autist about obscurities. Though I did think it was a Fact 4 at first.
>>29136878Knew it looked like an old hot wheels car. Wow that is obscure.
>>29136852>aka carbon fiber reinforced plasticThe P is for the polymer resin, dumbfuck.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_fiber_reinforced_polymerThe fibers provide the tensile strength for the structure while the resin fixes them to give them shape when it cures. Stuctural Kevlar uses fibers and resin, too, but the Kevlar fibers are plastic polymer, not carbon like CFRP and therefore not as rigid as CFRP.
>>29137246>are extremely strong and light fiber-reinforced plasticsfrom your own fucking link, lmao. fucking retard.
>>29137261Learn to contextualize, retard. Carbon is not a polymer. Kevlar is not CFRP. Why is this so hard for you to understand?
>>29137268It's literally made with plastic material, retard. it says so in your own damn article.
>>29137284Yeah, the polymer resin, not the structural fibers, dipshit. How do you keep missing that part???
>>29137294so it contains plastic, you fucking retard.
>>29137303contains plastic =/= plasticare you really trying to make the argument that carbon fiber is just plastic, because lol thats dead wrong
>>29137303Cope harder, numbuts. The fibers are what determine the strength of Kevlar and CFRP. Carbon is not going to be a plastic no matter how much you want it to be.
>>29137310Don't bother. He's clearly trying to cope for his nonexistent understanding of material sciences. Best to ignore his type until you realize that you have to share public roads with them.
>>29137310>they used plastic, but in a slightly different way!>>29137312Carbon itself isn't, but they're still using plastic regardless for the end result. it's still made out of plastic. it's still called a reinforced plastic. >>29137315you're trying to cope with some boomer's dick in your mouth.
>>29137324>but in a slightly different way!it isn't the load barring material, retard, its the gluethats entirely different considering plastic itself cannot do what carbon fiber does
>>29137324>it's still called a reinforced plastic.lol. Just see if you can make a reliable polymer car chassis without any reinforcement material. Lmao even.
>>29137332but none of those super cars are made out of "plastic itself" and The F1 didn't do anything any of those other cars couldn't.
>>29137336>>29137324youtu.be/8dQqXpw9FZM
>>29137344>15minTLDW?
>>29137342>none of those super cars are made out of "plastic itself"Kevlar is literally just plastic, shithead. If they use kevlar in the chassis, then it's no longer full carbon fiber like the F1.
>>29137385none of those cars use only kevlar in the chassis, retard. so they are in fact, only slightly different at using their plastic reinforcement than the F1.
>>29137389>none of those cars use only kevlar in the chassis, retard.Nobody ever said that, retard.
>>29137424so why did you try disputing my statement with your retarded response? the F1 was not far beyond anything. it used plastic slightly differently than the other cars.
>>29137433>so why did you try disputing my statement with your retarded response?Because you're a retard that continuouslly and predictably demonstrates that he doesn't understand engineering and material science to understand what "full CFRP monocoque chassis" actually means and why those other cars were not like the F1. Even when you get corrected, your ego does not let you ascend to being a less-shitty human and still believes that carbon is a plastic polymer.
>>29137444it doesn't mean anything. you're splitting hairs over a car that wasn't far beyond anything. You don't even know how much kevlar was used in those cars, or if they even truly used them at all (sources even contradict each other).you're a retarded fanboy grasping for straws. you also lack reading comprehension. I didn't say carbon was plastic, the F1 is a reinforced plastic not very different from the cars that came before it. this is a fact.
>>29137449>it doesn't mean anything. you're splitting hairs They're important and distinctive hairs which is what you willfully ignore. Carbon fibers have WAY more tensile strength and rigidity than kevlar fibers.>over a car that wasn't far beyond anything. The F1 clearly was beyond everything else you mentioned. That's a major part of why it gets regarded as a milestone over other cars that never amounted to anything.>You don't even know how much kevlar was used in those cars, or if they even truly used them at allWhen the sources say "sandwiched with kevlar" it's a pretty affirming indicator of how it was used. Photos of the bare chassis also show whether or not they are fully CFRP, use steel subframes, or a monocoque.
>>29137469>They're important and distinctive hairs which is what you willfully ignoreThey aren't. even the press doesn't bother distinguishing between them. they even call them similar and compare them while you sit here and claim they were not like the F1.>Carbon fibers have WAY more tensile strength and rigidity than kevlar fibers.But those cars also contained carbon fiber, if they were purely kevlar, (which they weren't). maybe you'd have a point. do you even know the torsional rigidity measurements of those competing vehicles? they aren't any less stiff, they aren't any heavier. what real world practical difference is there actually? fuck all. it's a meaningless way to say you did something slightly different.>The F1 clearly was beyond everything else you mentionedFar beyond them in clout? yes. technology and engineering which is what we're talking about? no. the press compares them and deems them similar. >When the sources say "sandwiched with kevlar"what sources? this source, for example, explaining the history of the Centenaire doesn't even mention kevlar. it calls it carbon fiber.https://monochrome-watches.com/the-petrolhead-corner-1990-monte-carlo-automobile-mca-centenaire-fulvio-maria-ballabio-lamborghini-v12-broad-arrow-auctions-zoute-grand-prix/>whether or not they are fully CFRP, use steel subframes, or a monocoque.this is what I mean by splitting hairs. they're still comparable, and all of the press talking about them compared them to the F1.
>>29137482>even the press doesn't bother distinguishing between them. Right, because we all know that press journos always print truth and never misreported anything ever. >they even call them similarThen they're just as dumb as you are. >and compare themValid. Kevlar has use cases where CFRP is not as good, but that's far beyond anything you're prepared to understand. As far as claims that a chassis is "fully carbon fiber monocoque" when it's not is a completely different argument.
>>29137496>Right, because we all know that press journos always print truth and never misreported anything ever.how is it a misreport to call them similar? you can't even fundamentally distinguish between them.>it's a reinforced plastic but the plastic is reinforced with entirely carbon instead carbon and something elsenigger, that's the best you can do? no shit they aren't going to autistically fixate on this nothing-burger of a difference. >Then they're just a big stoopid doo doo-headcope>Kevlar has use cases where CFRPwhy do you just say "kevlar" like we are comparing straight kevlar to carbon fiber when those cars are also using a reinforced plastic that also contains carbon fiber (if they even contain ANY kevlar at all).
>>29137344watch from like 2:00-5:00 a dude makes carbon fiber aero parts in his basement
>>29137595meant for>>29137382
>>29130769isn't that just a veyron with a bodykit?
>most popular car from the early aughts>Obscure and forgotten I remember now when I was a kid and started finding out about stuff that existed before my brain was developed and thinking I was discovering obscure things and then I would talk to anyone older and realize they all knew about it.
>>29137501>how is it a misreport to call them similar?Because they are not similar. Carbon is not plastic. Kevlar is not CFRP. We'll keep going restating that until you get it through your thick head, nigger.
>>29138561>something that uses carbon fiber in its reinforced plastic is not similar to something that is straight carbon fiberit objectively is, you fucking retard.
