Why did bi-level vehicles go out of style?
>>2069068Can't get a wheelchair up bus stairs
>>2069068Made obsolete by tri-levels
>>2069068people are lazy and nobody wants to go upstairs unless the bottom floor is filledbut if it's filled and you only need to go a couple stops you're baisically going upstairs and immediately downstairs so you're not filling the top floor either, you just sufferthey make sense on long routes, and double-decker trains are the next big thing (especially with the tons of space between the trucks that regular trains can't fill), but buses and trams are retarded>but long-haul buseslong-haul buses in general are retarded
>>2069068They only work for a very specific type of route (high-traffic feeder routes where the majority of passengers get off at a single stop). In all other routes, articulated vehicles just do the job better.
They were never popular in the U.S. but the “Broadway Battleship” was a notable exception.
Why do you think?
>>2069068idk what you're talking about, they're still all over yurop and even in the us and canada most commuter trains have two decks.
>>2069113So tolerant and diverse!
you gotta keep your cog low
Still going strong where I live
>>2069113Something will be done about this post... and it will be done for free.>>2069332Vibrant, even.
>>2069094Upstairs was smoking.Been on plenty of double deckers in my days.
>>2069068https://11foot8.com/
>>2069068blacks and browns were brainwashed by jews to go on them so the white man had to cancel the entire program because blacks and browns are scary
>>2069107Absolute cinema.
>>2069072thay's why you have the bottom floor
>>2070957Can't restrict wheelchairs to a part of a facility.>I wanna ride on top! Where's my ADA compliant elevator?
>>2071057i was on a commuter train once that just had ramps instead of stairs. also you can absolutely just say "nah wheelchairs physically don't fit here", if ADA rules made it so wheelchairs have to go everywhere then stairs wouldnt exist at all anymorealso buses already usually have a raised part at the back above the engine where wheelchairs can't go and no one shids and fards about that
>>2069113Crime only happens on the upper floor?
>>2071549Yeah, crime is illegal on the lower floor.
>>2071060There's some weird anti-ADA astroturfing being done in urbanist parts of the internet, as usual the YIMBY/real estate lobby is behind it. Maybe they figure they can infect train foamers with their vile ideologies too
>>2071598I noticed this recently; there's a ton of "local news" (owned by larger conglomerate) articles about islands in roads formed by bike lanes and how they are Good Actually despite being obviously fucking dogshit deathtraps made for having pedestrians killed by cyclists or cyclists killed by service vehicles or service vehicles killed by incompetent karens, on top of having objective legal problems satisfying accessibility requirementsprobably a last ditch effort to save the hide of whatever giant conglomerate made the "recommendations" for "designs" that are so dogshit in the first place, so they can yet again go "See! It sucks, so it couldn't possibly work ever, even if we did it properly!"
Bring them the fuck back
>>2069068> go out of style?Never did in Victoria, British Columbia. We still have them. We used to have a lot of red ex-British double-deckers in the 60's up to the early 80s.
>>2069068Maybe they reached a tipping point?
>>2071673Most of NJ Transit is double decker trains, at least all the lines I’m familiar with
Twice the passengers compared to a single deck. Boris Johnson introduced the bendy buses (long single deck) to London and caused chaos.
>>2071664>>2071665A glitch in the matrix?
>>2070772>bcsasuga
>>2069068I think we're ready for two floor vans.
>>2071712>Twice the passengers compared to a single deck.At a cost of higher axle weights, which makes for more road damage.(There Ain't No Such Think As A Free Lunch.)
>>2069068Honestly I've wondered myself. With trains it's much more widespread wherever clearances allow for it, yet on the road where space is more limited they're quite rare except in certain places where they've been traditionally common.I dare say there's no rational reason one way or the other and it's really just a thing of habit.
>>2071837>I dare say there's no rational reason one way or the other and it's really just a thing of habit.This is the answer to 99% of n-related questions desu.
high center of gravity and people are scared of them. probably also clearance for tunnels and underpasses and shit back when stuff wasnt built so huge, same for longer vehicles just not fitting around corners, as places have bene BULLDOZED FOR THE CAR it's less of a concern and there have been enough improvements into suspensions and steering that you can really have some longass nonsense going aroundalso theres only like two companies making buses in NA and they simply choose to not make them. they're still all over the place in yurop in more modern variants than the classig bonglander open topped nonsense thing. but the NA companies just make one bus and the bendy bus that is basically just two buses attached ass to ass with a vinyl accordion thing (ok not that simple but it's clearly just two of the same frame)>>2071796>muh road wearno one cares. frost heaves and bad drainage do way more damage than a vehicle being heavy. if cities gave a shit about road wear they wouldnt let hicks drive snowmobiles on the road
>>2071862In a way yes, but on many issues there's objectively better and worse options (or at least decisions that clearly lead to one desired outcome or another). With double-decker buses and trams it's really a kind of meh issue, doesn't really make much difference either way.
>>2071712>Boris Johnson introduced the bendy buses (long single deck) to London and caused chaos.No, he quite famously got rid of the bendy buses, that was one of his main pledges for his first mayoral term. Ken Livingstone introduced them. Pic related is a Boris Bus.
>>2071997In a rare moment, contemporary industrial stylists gave us a W
>>2071999This>>2071997Didn't those also have an open platform in the back like the old Routemasters? Man what a chance of retvrning to tradition
>>2069068The MARC train has mostly 2 level cars. Like a spilt level house, 6 steps up, 6 down through the door. This slings the lower deck between the trucks, so its not even that tall. I rode the Bolt bus back from Philly and it has a second floor picture window like picrel >>2071700. This was 5 years ago. I cant find a pic of a bolt bus with one...
>>2074366We have heaps of Alstom Coradia Duplex rolling around. First class is upstairs. Second class is down. I reckon the fleet of Stadler Kiss has the same setup.They gave some more seats without extending platforms in the middle of nowhere.
>>2074373Where at the triple deckers if freight can carry cargo containers 2 high?
>>2071709Septa claims it's going to buy some. Oughtta be here in 30 years.
>>2069068double-decker trains are ubiquitous in large parts of the world to this day and mainly in europe and neighbouring regions to my knowledge, they only grow in popularity (there's three different series shown on pic rel, though you can clearly distinguish the double-decker-ness only on the one in front). id guess trains are more prominent in bi level these days first because of the never ending increase of daily passengers, and second because they're big enough to have multiple stairs to go up and down on the same wagon (sometimes as many as four) so they're way more practical than tiny trams and buses that only have one narrow stair.>>2069092real
>>2069092They should make a final destination movie with one of these
>>2069068Top deck doesn't have a driver
>>2071712outside of london too double deckers are everywhere (at least where I am). Though they dont look that snazzy>>2069094The top floor has bigger windows and a better view so top fills first
>>2076645This.It's common with trains because it's practical.With buses it's more of a tradition thing, places that always had double decker buses/trams tend to favor them. It kinda makes sense if roads are tight and bendy buses don't fit, though at the cost of having stairs in an already tight space that moves around a lot. But for trams it's just completely pointless. Since they run on tracks and trams nowadays tend to get ROW or at least tram lanes there's little point in having vehicles with slightly smaller outline. You can just make them longer instead.
>>2078234>You can just make them longer instead.Just one more car bro.
>>2078244What's the problem? Works dunnit
>>2078249Stations?
>>2078295Just have long enough stations
>>2078295make stations that are 2 cars long on a 3-car train, and make the alternate which cars get to disembark on each station. you learn which cars open on which stations and only take those from yours.
>>2078295Never heard of her!!
>>2069113>>2071594Not illegal if you are from a non european ethnicity
>>2069068>Bi-levelTell me you were barely "educated"at an American "school" without telling me.
>>2069068https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_gYdwlUORA
>>2071709so are a few LIRR lines
probably accessibility requirements made them illegal
>>2069068>Why did bi-level vehicles go out of style?They become forced to use only a few routes due to overhead obstacles such as:-- pedestrian walkways-- roadway overpasses-- plaza exchangesThey also require right turn modifications in USA cities or else the bus, which has no hinge in the middle, will sweep people standing curbside. With all these problems, it's far easier and cheaper to just not have these buses around.
>>2082167Why would double deckers cut the corner more than a normal bus you utter retard
>>2069068
>>2069068>Why did bi-level vehicles go out of style?Too many overhead obstacles existing in cities. And any city with electric buses or light rail will have low-hanging electric lines that these double-decker buses would run into.
These are widespread in the UK, I probably see more doubledeckers than single, and I live in a town not a city
