>*combines the aggressive solipsistic entitlement of an exurban helicopter parent SUV karate lessons karen with the sanctimonious humblebrag better-than-you instagram mentality of a childless upper middle class urbanist in your path (literally in your path because it's in your physical path being as expensive and space-hogging as an actual car, while being as slow and annoying and needy and pointless and "look at me" as a dutch bike, in everyone's path) in your path*>*heh, nothin' personnel kid, as in, look at these kids of mine that I am effectively using as human shields, so give me everything in return for nothing or you're a monster and I will have you cancelled for not buckling immediately and catering to my massive sense of entitlement, kid*When did cargo bikes go from being a crusty, get-it-done, no-nonsense niche improvised delivery tool for reasonable humans, to being the single most punchable conspicuous consumption fashion accessory in the history of wheels?Also, cargo bikes hate thread, and yes I took my meds thanks for the reminder though
who hurt you lmfao
seek help immediately
You'd need a bike like that to pick up enough meds to calm your ass.
>>2042821I want a surly big dummy frame but they are as rare as a unicorn in germany:(
>>2042836Yeah, in Germany the Yuba Mundo occupies that niche.
>>2042821I mean I get where you're coming from but they don't cause any actual problems to me when I'm on my bike. the parents are no doubt insufferable but I'm not hanging out with them, they're just another vehicle on the road.
>>2042821the point where it actually gets funny is when you pass by them hauling 10 times the weight and volume of what they got in their ebikes by the magic of bungee cords and carry bags alone.The fact that you only ever see those types once you enter a town strongly implies those fags don't even actually ever use their BSOs but only ride them around town a little bit doesn't make them appear any better either.To. summarize: They are motorists. Most even have their cargo-bike motorized. All of them are motorists.
>>2042822numbers of truth>>2042832heh>>2042833i genuinely laughed out loud, thank you for this>>2042821Nigga, you're mad because someone was on the same road as you and wanted to go /out/ with their family. Cease the schizobabble and find something real to get mad about instead, like people in lifted trucks unable to see me unless i put one of those lame looking special-ed glowy flags or vests on.
>>2042859OP is right tho.The whole problem we're seeing as of late, which is so reminiscent of division, has a very simple root cause: 'Bicycle' being missattributed.It is a psy-op, conducted by the motorist, to muddy the waters regarding what a bicycle is and what is not. The central motivation behind this is so that they get to conduct false flag operations as 'cyclists' like breaking the law the same as they do when they are using their otherotorvehicles an also so that they get to normalize operating motorvehicles outside of the bounds of the motorist inclusion zone and even in spaces explicitly protected from the motorist. That is why they will take a moped, convince politics, media and lawmakers that it was in fact 'a bicycle' only to then use it to endanger others, be obnoxious, break every law there is and invade pedestrian spaces.Just think about it: You never see a cyclist blow a red light, ride on the sideawalk or throigh pedestrian zones. Meanwhile you never see the motorists on their e-bike on the road, let alone outside town, you'll only ever see them on the sidewalk, in pedestrian zones and crossing the road at pedestrian crossings.So if what OP is vaguely complaining about feels like 'division': It is not. the opposite is the case. The motorist, acting on bad motives, tries to LARP as cyclist. And OP is calling it out.
I mean, I get being annoyed at suburban soccer moms pretending to be having fun while just using their bike as a really poor hauler for their children, but cargo bikes still have legitimate uses and make for good delivery vehicles and such, sounds like you're less annoyed at cargo bikes and more just annoyed at suburban soccer moms (and you're not alone)
>>2042821>I hate everyone... including myself.Seek Christ and realize that His love and peace are what you ultimately crave.
>>2042874brother this is the most first world problem of all first world problemssimply ride past karen, let karen and her kids do their thing, and you do your thing. i fail to see the issue. the """law"""" in america is bought and paid for by the rich and by corpos, I do not give two shits about if passing a slow family is illegal or not. the guy didnt even talk about mopeds, he was talking about cargo bikes, so thats just getting mad about another thing entirely. let the fatties and families use their cringe ebikes or slow cargo bikes. just let it roll off your back and keep cyclin' man. be cool
>>2042887you missed the post. In its entirety.
>>2042874Idk what this schizorambling is about, I'm not waiting at a red light like a trafficuck cager. The bike is truly free
>>2042927I just didnt deem it neccessary to make an explicit notion of the only other group, besides the motorist, that does this. Thanks for your outing.
See. This is a bicycle! And you are a hypocrite if you think otherwise. Learn the difference.https://hopper-mobility.com/Gosh the fucking motorist is just winning on the daily because cyclists and predestrians are naive and tolerant like >>2042887.
>>2043075Not even if it was redundant? Why do you trust a stem, fork crown or blades, steerer? Handlebars?IMO those steerer / fork failure scenarios are the most terrifying imaginations when it comes to cycling but at the same time you just end up contempt or perhaps even trusting after you went for hundrets of thousands of kilometers without it ever happening. I mean think about it: You saw everything happening, Murphys law in action, and while you saw videos, pics and heard stories: You never saw this thing happening (well ok survivor bias I give people that).Takeaway: The idea was probably just as unpleasant for any of the pioneers of cycling as it is to us today and as a result those things are traditionally way overbuilt.
>>2043077As I've argued:I don't see how this induces any more concern than the concept of a conventional fork itself.Also what if the linkage was redundant, would that make you less worried? A car's steering is literally the same construction. It's not convincing how the ball joint would fail. It's a solid honk of heat treated quality steel. On motorvehicle you usually find the bar bent. The joint always fails the same: Rubber boor fails. Water and grime find their way in. Wear starts. The joint gets loose and klunky, as a result the steering becomes very sketchy, vague, shimmies... which is when people feel very motivated to just swap the joint out. At the same time this is still lightyears away from having the linkage physically detach.The only thing I would like to see here is a castelated nut. I don't trust the nyloc as much. But it should be noted that thanks to the taper the ball joint remains attached even without the nut and takes considerable force to seperate. Also wtf is up with the binder on there?
>>2043087It's an open ball joint. I have one and even I'm admittedly somewhat worried about the design. Grit gets in there, it'll wear down the joint, and then it can pop off. And then you have no steering, and a linkage that might drop into the road and spear into the asphalt, lifting the whole apparatus (or else bending something vital).I think the design could be better, with a thick metal ring over a closed joint with a rubber seal over that to prevent dirt-and-grime from getting in there.Admittedly weight and complexity goes up, along with cost, but this is your steering we're talking about, carrying stuff that's really important (plus you).
>>2043180That sounds stupid. A bicycle 'self steers' just like a car. The steering geometry does have trail after all.But in certain situations the geometry of ground surface and steering will negate train and turn the wheels regardless. This is true for both vehicles.Now the question arises: Do you really think a double track vehicle 'will not fall over' if the full steering lock is applied at speed? It will barrel roll down the road.But luckily the whole discussion is purely hypithetically as, again, the mechanism shown here >>2043077 is, just like the equivalent in automobiles, is plenty strong and it is literally everything else responsible for the steering that will fail first (like forkends, blades, crown, steerer, axle, wheel... etc.). But you insist on>Ok so you don't know what you looking at without providing any argument and while ironically raising suspicion to the fact that it is actually you who has neither experience nor knowledge regarding such designs.
>>2043181>grit gets in thereSee above >>2043087 . As long as the boot is tight it wont and its a serviceable item.>wear down the jointSee above again. If you neglect it the joint will wear.>it can pop offThe steering will first become terrifying and then unuseable, prompting you to replace the part, long before it is anywhere near seperation. >might drop into the roadit follows that this will not happen because you will stop using the bike and actually be unable to use it long before you reach a point where this would be possible.You two guys trust picrel, right? It's the same situation: We all made the experience of how bad it fucks you up when it goes and it always goes at the worst moment. It is always the result of neglect and easily avoided. The only thing that is different: It will not warn you and evem keep you from riding when it's nearing that point. Which a ball joint will.
>>2043188All I see is a gold bike chain. QRD on the problem?
>>2043293Are you lacking the ability to read?
>>2043075isn't that how cars work?
>>2045840Yes, I've made exactly that point here >>2043087 . You might want to add that the examples shown itt are way overbuilt even when considering steering forces on a bicycle and comparing the steering linkage and ball joints dimensions to those found o a 3 ton car.
>>2042874>>2043087>>2043181I love coming here to read cyclist losers like you. Men who will never experience the gorilla grip of a 21 year old Division I athletes vagina around your member, who will never hear her initial moan as your glans (circumcised) passes into the vaginal canal, the pulsing rhythm of her toned core as you press against her g spot (6.5” up vaginal canal), the gasp as you tug at the base of her ponytail thrusting into her firm (squats 250lb) buttocks bottoming your balls and pounding against her cervix, or feel the post coital tremors of her body as she cries and giggles in absolute ecstasy while cleaning up (orally) your still tumescent member. Yes kitten, lights on ;)
>>2046287You've never seen a vagina except on a computer screen
>>2046287>athletes vaginaThat sounds like a condition like athletes foot, like what happens to a pussy that gets all sweaty and smelly from repeated exercise and lack of hygeine down there. Imagine the smell
>>2046353Many girls with yeast infections, mycoplasma and chlamydia today. The doctor always tries to put the blame on me when its clearly those girls being like that.
>>2046437Is that why they smell so bad?
>>2046437wash your fingers and dick before sex and stop blaming others for issues you cause.
>>2042927>I'm not waiting at a red light like a trafficuck cager>Gets run over by ranjeetIsn’t a white country anymore fren, I wouldn’t be playing games anymore with drivers direct from the streets of Delhi deposited into the neighbourhood.
>>2042856Yeah when most people say "cargo bikes" these days they just mean an open-top car with symbolic pedals connected to an electric motor to make the owner feel like they're "making a difference"
>>2042874So you're saying the white mom/dad hauling their kids around is actually a deep conspiracy the planned out to muddy them name of cyclists when the only people offended by it are faggots like your self?Seems like a stretch faggot
>>2042821VERY TRUE ANON
>>2051727No I have not said that also your 'argument' is an intentional fallacy produced out of bad faith. Nice try cageoid.
Thinking of getting this Sayle cycle no in the near future. What does n think about it? I want to put my dog in the back and sometimes my groceries.Has anyone experience with a 14 gear rohloff? I want the gear range for climbs around me.
>>2052046Fake, gay, motorized, superfluous and the dude in the image is no coincidence.
>>2052049Its not motorized tho.There arent many bio cargo bikes around nowadays.
>>2052046Perfect bike to deliver snacks and drinks to your wife's personal trainer while they're "working out".>Has anyone experience with a 14 gear rohloff?Kraut Space Magic. Basically the perfect bicycle transmission, if you are willing to pay that much and don't need to worry about grams.
>>2052050Oh it's a rohloff? Fine I accept that it IS a bicycle. I still believe it is superfluous. Idk how wide the cargo area is but by the looks of it the guy has less than a third, maybe a qarter of what I habitually carry only on the rear of my normal bicycle on there. At the same time that thing has no rack or panniers or baskets. The low COG might be nice but at least I get to have two 700c wheels.So all this for what? A less maneuverable bike that is longer, has awkward tire sizes, no rear fender and thus constantly spraying your shit with road grime and mud, no front fender so it can also spray you with shit, all only so it carries less than any normal bike? I bet you even pay a premoum for being the cycling conscikus hipster n shit.I'm personally interested too in cargo solutions for bicycles. Following the subjects of trailers and actual cargo bikes with alot of interest. But for me to consider a cargo bike a cargo bike it must be able to haul at least as much as any regular bike. Not less. Like wtf. And it should do it in a way that makes no unneccessary compromises. Like I get that it will be a longer bike and I get that usually you need a smaller wheel or remote steering etc. But why just take the fenders away? Does the light go on the seatpost? Fine but he's not even got a dynamo. Yeah sure he can have a dyno hub with brake but meh.2/10.
>>2052046Actually I >>2052087am a bit bored. I should be working but I might aswell spam a few good bicycle haulin things in the anti bicycle haulin thread.Full disclaimer some of the pictures are mine others not.Feel free to discuss what you like and dont like.
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>>2052091I also generally think tall bikes make surprisingly goo haulers but I dont have pics of that in my folder rn
>>2052092this is motorhomo but I also think it's sort of the limit for comfort if you need to pull uphill. After all you have to mash at a certain point as you can not go arbitarily slow. Also always remember to install brakes on trailers. Either overrun brakes or better brakes with a lever that you put on the bars or both.Anywaya if I see you haul that uphill, glance at your BB and I see a motor I'll cut you some slack and acknowledge you as a cyclehead.
>>2052093mogs u btwnow show bobs and vegana bbi
>>2052095thats about the limit wherw I'd recommend you do install brakes. In my experience heavy trailers can lead to very sudden consequences down hill if they overrun and you have no way to pull everything straight.
>>2052097also why dont you>>2052046just get the bullitt.I mean everyone just gets the bullitt and is fine with it. The only thing I dont like. about it is the pricetag. Theres a few clones, some are a bit worse overall but yeah.
>>2052099Look how it's even got fenders but also motorhomo.>picrelis a cute build for a Bullitt. I wonder what the official rating for the wheelset is. KEKBtw most wheelsets ratings wouldn't make them rated for cargo bikes. Some. aren't even rated for taller riders.
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>>2052104what a showoff he is
>>2052105I think dual track isn't a bad idea since you could just gear down and still go up hill, especially with the weight up front. You just can never go fast I guess.
>>2052106one of them italian things. I believe there was a name for that.
>>2052107>mfw the cargoanyways last one I promisehere have a super wonky one
>>2052108good stuff.I hauled a load of gravel on my trailer I got at the thrift store and modified. it was only after I got home I noticed the tires were almost flat. didn't have to use any main roads thankfully. my drivetrain only goes down to 34/34, I was in it about half the time and only two or three gears up the rest of the time. for descents.
>>2052132>tireson the trailer, I mean.
>>2052132LEL I saved ur pic back then and got that in the folder I posted from.
>>2052134nice
>>2052135here have another great example of cargo by bike
>>2052087Well it is rated for a max weight of nearly 170kg and you can just stack duffel bags over eachother.>no fendersI would only ride in good weather anyways, i'll use my car if the weather is shitty. I never found fenders asthetic and thus never used any.>no dynamoI have many bikes and i just switch my lupine lights around. No dyno has ever had enough power to be truly practical.Sure you will be seen but thats pretty much it.
>>2052156>>>/o/that also sort of explains the lighting situation
>>2052104came across this mofo in a completely unrelated discussion latelyreminded me of my setup back thenstill packs more than the munich fagster machine without needing to be a specialised 'cargo bike'
>>2052866Center of gravity is complete shit.
>>2052107could you share another pic or an ms paint diagram of that drivetrain. I have no clue what's going on
>>2053298nta but here's what I think is happening
>>2052107that flag is fried
>>2053298>>2055387it would be nice if someone made a direct-drive IGH for setups like this. I've been wanting to experiment with a front-wheel-drive.I thought I saw one on one of those off-road unicycles once? does anyone know?
>>2042856how do you carry big things like plyboard on those
>>2052091is this temporary
>>2052097>>2052092how do you attach a random trailer to a bike
>>2042821does the front wheel necessarily have to be small just saw someone cut up an old bike and make it into a cargo bike i guess that'd need a tig welder xyz cargo designs are just bolted together anyone ever build one of those? sucks how they're all igh dependent though
>>2056646you want the most weight bearing wheel to be larger
>>2052107now THIS is Physics
>>2056646yes it needs to be smaller so that you fit the style of the time
>>2056644nuts
>>2042821>When did cargo bikes go from being a crusty, get-it-done, no-nonsense niche improvised delivery tool for reasonable humans, to being the single most punchable conspicuous consumption fashion accessory in the history of wheels? Cargo bikes have always been more expensive, the attitude you describe is probably more of the heavy "urbanist" push that really started a few years, using cargo bikes as some sort of gotcha when someone talks about when you need to carry something beyond yourself and whatever you can carry on a milk crate tied to the back of your bicycle; yet no one seems to show you theirs or anything beyond stock pictures on flat, even surfaces.
>>2062035That's like saying "rolexes were always more expensive", nah, you could buy 20 rolexes for the price of a cheap new car back then, now for the price of a new car you can buy one, if you suck off your AD's wife's boyfriend once a month for a year first
>>2042821>and yes I took my meds thanks for the reminder thoughYou might need a higher dosage.
>>2052871Fixed by front pannier racks.
the thing with cargo bikes these days is you have to pretty much have a car-sized garage space but not only that you have to have concrete anchors and heavy chains because it's far easier to steal than a car, while approaching a car in replacement value. on top of which, cops don't take theft seriously if it's not a car. so why bother?
>>2062037or thinking you need a rolex to tell time there could be dutch bike tier pipe iron cargo bikes which will get the job done on flat land and low gear
>>2042821Having 4 kids means you're either totally broke or you're drowning in money, and they don't look very broke
>>2046287SNIFF SNIFF SNIFF!
>>2042821Truth nuke. Please do NOT take meds.
>>2042821Yeah, but where do I get a cheap one?
>>2068146Just make your own
>>2062035cargo bikes really are good as a solution for moving 1-2 kids and groceries and light loads like appliances or house goods, but they can't reasonably move actual loads, of course a shitty pickup truck isnt the solution to that, it's renting a van.
>>2070038What ever you say Peter
Does anyone still make non-electrified trikes? There are some geriatrics who ride them around town to pick up groceries, but they all look like antiques.
>>2070133theyre huge in india
>>2070133>they all look like antiquesThe geriatrics or the bikes?
>>2070133Worksman Cycles and Sun Bicycles.
>>2070504That's very good. Thank you.
>>2070157I'm surprised no one is seething over this post
>>2070133
>>2073028Why? We all know India is a disgusting stinking dump full of poorfags with potbellies, no muscle, and intestinal parasites. There is literally no comparison to Western cyclists.
>>2052089>koon designAre we really gonna allow him to get away with effectively saying "nigger rigged"?
After trying a bike trailer I really can't understand the point of a cargo bike. The trailer is removable and easily stored when you're not using it. But with a cargo bike you're stuck with an enormous and awkward platform all the time.
>>2070133yeah but they dont sell to (you). they make ice cream carts and coffee vending trikes and shit, not vehicles designed for personal use
>>2074851I had that set up, but after blowing several spokes and finally having my freehub open like a flower, I bought something purpose built for 550 lbs.
>>2074851>motorFaggotry. Pure unbridled faggotry.
Wine moms and toddlers on e-cargo bikes have now taken over the UWS/Manhattanville transition zone. I assume at least they paid for something expensive enough that it won't burn down their co-op building in the dead of night because the charger didn't have the 3C stamp of approval
>>2077151Most of those are like $8k+
>>2075679That's the point of the thread I think
For me it's cargo trikes.
I bought an old Babboe Curve E bike and I hate it. It is very difficult to drive, and kind of unsafe to turn. I almost fell on the side when turning. Uitritconstructie is insane invention. Rant off
>>2043072This thing isn't even being sold as a bicycle and being in Germany there are laws governing how you are allowed to move your bicycle through pedestrian zonesThis thing will be used by people whou would otherwise get a carPeople using this instead of a car is an incontrovertibly better outcomeeBikes themselves have shown that it's not about being a fatty but simply about the biomechanical limits of the average joe and janeThe eBike makes it so that people whou would not nornally be using a two-wheeled mobility for their specific slightly longer travels (which are many) then doThis creates a much better consciousness for what it is like to be about on a BSO and will result in demand for better bike infrastructure and even segregating not just cars away from bicycles burlt also working on safe/sensible degrees of separation between pedestrians and cyclists with less overall space for c*rsExtremely neurotic forrester-tier outlook on the world from youDont worry, you still get to ride your shitass in your clubrides for your shitass rides - on the roadNow fuck off and dont obstruct improvement and change for life-saving infrastructure designs because you got a fart sitting skewedrest in piss john forresterRest in Peace - Cyclists that died due to accidents related to wholly inadequate and missing infrastructure planning specifically for bikes and cars that pay attention to their geometric-spatial and dynamic-reactive properties
>>2055387Why did thid nibba not just use two runs of chains?One is conn'd to the crankset and a little shaft clamped on further up with an idler cog.The same shaft has another idle cog on the other side (thus traversing the lateral gap) and goes back down to the inside of the fork and onto the igh cogThe chain tension could be adj. by either two extra tensioning devices (urgh...!) or by being able to adjust the height of the idler pullley to get the inner chain run right and then use either a magic ratio on the outside or a single tensioning deviceOnly way to do it with zero tensioners is by having a third (!) run if chain that then connectes the run fromthe crankset on the outsude and then run from the igh hub onthe inside But perhaps I lack imagination hereThat situation witb two coaxially mounted igh-cog+crankset-chainwheel makes it really trickyPerhaps lacking the direct drive igh that other anon mentioned they could have kludged a hammerschmidt crankset on there lol
>>2056646what a fucking meme GNU/bike (or GNU 'plus' bike as I have recently taken to calling it)you shouldn't need a TIG thoughI think a migger could do itPerhaps you can even use a stick-shakerI have an ultra shit frame that I might try using an ultra shit stick welder onI've never welded and stick is harder to control but the stakes would be lower
