>I'm the creator, I create Melkor and Mairon>I gave Melkor existential frustation and Mairon extreme OCD>I create a world with minerals to allow a fast technological progress, BUT YOU CAN'T USE THEM!>I create living beings that can die by age, battle, poison, etc, because I can>NO! I'm not the bad guy, my imperfect (on purpose) minions are the bad guys>I'M THE CREATOR, I CAN DO WHATEVER THE FUCK I WANT!
>>25623269>NO! I'm not the bad guy, my imperfect (on purpose) minions are the bad guys>I'M THE CREATOR, I CAN DO WHATEVER THE FUCK I WANT!It's actually way worse than thatThe actions Melkor takes to fuck shit up actually shape the world into it's intended fully formed state. He never had free will to rebel, his rebellion was always an intended part of the song, him and Mairon were always the designated fall guys since the dawn of time when they were created, and he was always intended to get turned into the tool that destroys the entire world and kills everyone at Dagor Dagoroth according to Eru's plan.
>>25623269>>>/tg/
>>25623269Tolkien is a WW1 vet. Read all LOTR through that eye.> I give the world enough minerals to allow technological orogress but noAmong all of the high elves, why did the Noldorin (Aulë's favourite, tech faction) rebel, and not the Vanya (Melkor/Varda's favourite, /lit/ faction)?Also why was WW1 mobilization depicted as the sack of Isengard and in the nightmare of Frodo as Orcs occupy the Shire and create weapons plants there?> I create {imperfect race}.The humans were created at the second discordant melody of Melkor/Morgoth & Co. Therefore human imperfections can be attributed to there, however Tolkien always referred to death and a finite life as a gift, pushing humans toward development by raising further and further generations, while Melkor/Sauron pushes gerontocracy and a strife for long/eternal life. Read the fall of Númenor. Also Tolkien denies the eternal soul: Elves, when they die go to the halls of Mandos (see: Valhalla, no it's not Tolkien's effort to rephrase the Ring of the Nibelungs, where are my Valk... oh they are the Eagles); while humans go beyond the boundaries of the world.
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>>25623493>The actions Melkor takes to fuck shit up actually shape the world into it's intended fully formed state. He never had free will to rebel, his rebellion was always an intended part of the songI knew that, but I didn't want the OP greentext to be too long.What I don't get is how many people can't see it, one could expect that at least someone, famous writer or random reader, would speak about this at some point.It's even more stupid when you see that Amazon could have done something like this, a proper deconstruction of Eru's narcissistic insanity, yet they prefered to make the awful Ringz o' Powa'.>>25624299I can't answer to your first question, despite it's very interesting, I have to admit that my knowledge of the elves is not a deep as I wish to be.>why was WW1 mobilization depicted as the sack of Isengard and in the nightmare of Frodo as Orcs occupy the Shire and create weapons plants there?From what I know and IF I got your question right is, apparently for young Tolkien moving from the countryisde house of his father to the working-class neighborhoods of city was traumatic, since there was no nature nor peace nor silence, just pollution, illnesses and awful noises. Plus his mother got sick and died in those slums.Now, with WW1 and the revolution of the military industry added to that, you can see why Tolkien had an anti-tech message, for him the last days of Númenor were an steampunk nightmare.My problem with his anti-tech message is it doesn't fit reality, it' just James Cameron's Avatar but in European Middle Ages, both Tolkien and Cameron didn't / don't get the reason mankind is so voracious is because we were forced to evolve in this way, nature is not the wholesome chungus primitive utopia they have in their minds, it's what you see in the nature documentaries, a wild cruel place with some chill nice moments.And with Tolkien is even worst, because at least Cameron's Eywa cares a little about her slaves, Tolkien's Eru (aka, Yahweh) only care when men are so feed up the state of the world that they want to reach Valar and achieve immortality, then Eru nukes Númenor.>Eru's logic>create an amazing world full of wonders>turns his son Melkor into a mass-murder to "improve" the song of the creation>mankind appears>mankind wants to enjoy immortality to see and experience all of the wonders of the world>Eru "the perfect being" gets mad (feauture of an imperfect being) when see mankind wanting to achieve immortality>something he himself allow to be implemented in mankind's geneticsIdk about you anon, but I think Julian II 'the Philosopher' was right when he banned christians from teaching / interpret mythology, writing stories and recording history.
>>25625154You're jewish.
goddamn protestants pushing their shit predestination onto tolkiens work.
>>25625589Brown Christian Nationalism will save the world. Christ is King.
>>25625589just like jesus
>>25625154> Rings of Power mentioned> Cameron's Avatar mentioned> Discusses Ainulindalë, but has no recall of the Quenta Silmarillion> Doesn't touch the Valaquenta (from the Song to Varda Elentári/Elbereth Gilthoniel creating the first stars from the Vats of Telperion -> Elves awaken at Cuiviènen, Dwarves awaken -> recorded history begins), which is the direct consequence of the events of AinulindalëOh my dear goddess.First:> Any non-/lit/ work of art> Or technological advancement> Written after 2008> GoodAlso:In the Ainulindalë/Valaquenta it's written that the Valar has free will as opposed to the angelic orders of the Bible. Lucifer's free will raises questions, since according to the Bible, the source of all evil is the Fall of Lucifer -> Convinces Eve to eat from tge Tree of Wisdom (giving humanity free will beyond God's intent) -> Original Sin.Melkor was intended as the source of all evil in Tolkien's world, balancing it out. Since you cannot have pure light with no darkness (the worldbuilding equivalent of a Mary Sue/perfect utopia), or pure darkness with no light (grimdark/perfect dystopia) (that is unless your entire work is about how perfect your worldbuilding is, ie. if {politics} I don't like continues the world will be grimdark -> 1984, most cyberpunk works, animal farm). Since LOTR itself was intended as worldbuilding for worldbuilding's sake (that's where your parallel with Cameron's Avatar stands), that's why they spend 3 books walking.> Nature of NatureYour reasoning is correct up until about the late Iron Age (Decline and fall of the Western Roman Empire), where humanity reshaped enough of Nature that Nature provided no meaningful further threat to man, and man began to emerge as the #1 threat to all life on the planet.Cameron's Avatar grabs the answer from a bioessentialist principle, arguing that man should see its place as part of and subject to the biosphere of the planet (Pandoran life is literally a part of the fungal superorganism Eywa).The Bible places us as stewards of natureTolkien names Providence (Valar as the embodiment of Divine Providence) as the stewards of nature, and our role is to find our place in God's Plan by searching for God and understanding Him in worship.The themes are not the same.
