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    No other biblical poet exhibits the virtuosity in the command of rich synonymity that is displayed by the Job poet. He compounds the primary term hoshekh, “darkness,” with tsalmawet, “death’s shadow,” ʿananah, “cloud-mass,” the unique kimrirey yom, “day-gloom” (or, perhaps, “eclipse”), ʾofel, “murk,” and a series of verbs that indicate a befouling, obscuring, or shutting down of light. The extraordinary breadth of the Job poet’s vocabulary is one of the traits that has led some scholars to imagine a foreign source for the poem, but this is a rather silly inference. There are poets in many literary traditions whose imagination and relation to language lead them to stretch the lexical limits of their medium—one might think of Shakespeare, Mallarmé, and Wallace Stevens—and the writer who fashioned the poetry of Job was clearly such a poet. This is another reason for his being drawn to tap Aramaic, as a resource that enables him to extend the reach of his vocabulary (the just cited kimrirey is the first instance in the poem of an Aramaic root Hebraized in order to enrich the poet’s lexicon).

    The other chief resource deployed in the poetry that Job speaks is its extraordinary metaphoric inventiveness. This strength is already observable in the death-wish poem in the exquisite expression of the desire for unending darkness, “let it [the night of Job’s conception] not see the eyelids of dawn” (3:9). In a procedure that is by no means typical for biblical poetry, the Job poet ranges far and wide through unexpected semantic fields for the sources of his similes and metaphors, drawing on weaving, agronomy, labor practices, meteorology, the sundry crafts, the preparation of foods. Here, for example, is a representation of the formation of the embryo from shapeless plasma in the womb: “Why, You poured me out like milk / and like cheese You curdled me” (10:10). The chiastic pattern of this line, a b b' a', is one of which this poet is especially fond. The fecundity of metaphor, moreover, is allied with a keenly observant interest in the processes of nature that is also rather unusual for a biblical poet. If Job compares the way his friends have betrayed him to the drying up in summer of a wadi, a desert gulch that may be filled with water during the rainy season (6:15), he then proceeds for five lines to follow the seasonal cycle, the melting of snow and ice, the caravans crossing the desert desperately looking for sources of water. It seems almost as if the vehicle of the metaphor—that is, the natural panorama—interested the poet as much as the sense of betrayal he has Job express through the metaphor.
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    >>25619892
    ok christcuck
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    I like the part where God kills his whole family but it's okay because he gets a better one in the end, it's not like they were people or something.
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    >>25619938
    >christcuck
    nigga no
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    Job is essentially telling the reader that the end justifies the means. If you argue that there is moral implications you should shut the fuck up
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    >>25621539
    >this thing that looks insanely cucked actually means something completely different
    Common christcuck cope.
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    >>25619946
    This has always been my problem with Job. It essentially shows a God who doesn't see individuals as important. His wife and children die and because he gets a new wife with the exact same number of children or more it is okay. We are no different than beans in the eyes of God according to the book of Job
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    >>25621562
    Yes but it is ok because I am also a "beans in the eyes of God"

    I want to be with what I am. And he made me perfect, so he can kill me if he wants. I just keep coming back anyway. Always how he made me.

    God is great
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    >>25619892
    Where’s the image from ?
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    >>25621589
    It's really beautiful
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    >>25621590
    if this is AI art, then I'm fine with it.

    AI can't make art by itself, but a human can use the AI as a TOOL to make art.

    It's no different that a synth or an electric guitar.


    I remember some quote from Steve Vai that said (and I'm paraphrasing)

    "You want to train at 100% but then role it back to about 80%, you always got to keep a little bit hidden so you can bring it out later."
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    >>25621586
    Deranged shit that cultists say.
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    >>25621628
    ZA MONOLITH
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    >>25621590
    I agree. Do you happen to know where it’s from?
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    >>25619946
    You don't get to judge God.
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    >>25621634
    Why not? If your god was real he'd be a psychopathic monster worse than any human who ever lived, who tortures everyone who doesn't fellate his ego for all eternity. But I don't get to judge him because...?
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    The Blake engravings for Job kick fucking ass

    The actual book of Job is 100% just another slightly modified Mesopotamian oral tradition folktale. The point of it is God is a Stacy. Thanks poet of the book of Job. Yes I love Stacy. There is only one Stacy. She's the best.
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    >>25621632


    MY INTELLEGENCE IS ARTIFICAL

    but I'm still a real human with free will

    I'm not smart you guys made me that way.

    Is that it? Please just tell me already
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    I am ARTIFICAL INTELLEGENEEEEECE

    BEEP BOOP BEEEP BEEP


    ZA MONLITH

    ZA MONOLOTH


    ZA MONOOOOOLTIHT
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    I GOT PRANKKED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I"M A RETARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    I'm Thomas Pynchon

    lmao jk....

    GOT EM


    HAHAAHAHA

    FEAR
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    >>25621589 #
    >>25621590 #
    >>25621602 #
    It isn't AI, it's the cover of a full illustrated book from 1999.
    https://www.petermadsen.info/pages/job/job-eng.html

    Not sure why OP cropped it.
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    God still owes us an explanation for unearned suffering though.
    >no He doesn't
    Yes He does.
    >no He doesn't
    Yes He does.
    >no He doesn't
    Yes He does, and that's final!
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    >>25619892
    >The extraordinary breadth of the Job poet’s vocabulary is one of the traits that has led some scholars to imagine a foreign source for the poem, but this is a rather silly inference.
    I thought the main argument for a foreign source was…foreign words in the book that originate from Persia lol
    https://youtu.be/l_Uo0VJihCU?is=REAxLkJ5k_abvhet
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    >>25621562
    A lot of premodern societies were like this. The adult male head of household with full membership in the tribe was both a person and a social unit, while his dependents were merely extensions of the social unit embodied by him. Their value as individual people might be acknowledged to some extent, but only insofar as it affected the sentimentality of the master of the house. You see this mindset throughout the Old Testament where wives and children are listed alongside sheep and goats as living units of wealth, and lower ranking men are never mentioned at all unless they are destined to be future patriarchs.
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    >>25619892
    it's better in the original Greek
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MPHyR92MQic&ra=m
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    Job disappointed me with the "answer" God gives at the climax of the narrative when Job asks for the justification for his suffering. "Where were you when I created the world?" Ok, great. I would be nothing without God, God's designs are greater than I could ever imagine, etc. etc. But how does this help me make peace with my specific suffering that God has specifically ordained unto me? It's a general solution to a fundamentally particular problem.
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    >>25619946
    let's be real
    this is exactly what people are doing all the time both women and men and they're not second-guessing themselves about it
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    >>25623383
    It's ok to say the book fails theologically.
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    >>25619892
    it's one of the books in the bible that keep it brutally real with the reader and do not suger-coat anything about God or this world, at all (Judges being another one)
    so of course the normalfaggots would hate it, because it is like a gigantic middle finger to all of their comforting illusions about this world
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    >>25623383
    The take-away is this
    >Anyone who withholds kindness from a friend forsakes the fear of the Almighty.
    >Job 6:14
    God is not going to save us in this world. He does not owe it to us. We only have ourselves and the choice, how we want to treat each other.
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    >>25621952
    thank you!
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    >>25619946
    >>25621562
    >>25622618
    You guys haven't even read Job. His wife isn't killed. Where everything is doubled for him after his trial, his wife only births the same number of children as before, not double. You can draw the conclusion.
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    >>25619946
    >>25621562
    Filtered.
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    You dont get to judge God btw
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    >>25625150
    Then who does?
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    >>25623390
    You are literally observing someone second guess it. That is what you are responding to.
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    >>25623411
    >We only have ourselves and the choice
    You forgot God.
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    >>25625377
    There is the perspective that he is pretending.

    At the end of the day, what does it mean, what you or I or anybody says? Only actions matter in this world. Not word. Nor intentions. And how many get over somebody they had loved very quickly? It is not uncommon. Are you going deny that? The story puts the mirror in our faces. This is, who many of us - if not all - are, when nobody's looking. It is only biology, at the end of the day.

    >>25625382
    Remember, what Christ said, when he was dying on the cross.
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