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>>25618070
they're answering their familiars.
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>>25618073
their what?
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>>25618074
The cats or bats or lizards that witches keep.
>>25618070
>Beginning the meeting by scheduling the next meeting
I wish the meetings I attend were this efficient.
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>>25618074
Their witches anon.
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Magic is such a retarded and cringe concept.
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You don't know anon?
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Please wake up
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>>25618116
Who told You witches keep bats and lizards?
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>>25618070
>An open place
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>>25618163
Picture books I read when I was five.
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>>25618420
YOU HAVE BEEN HAD, BUCKO!
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>>25618070
Let me help you OP

>Yo audience, we niggas be witchin
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>>25618434
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>>25618434
This has a cat-headed bat (pretty cool, right?) and a crocodile, which is close-ish to a lizard.
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>>25618462
>>25618466
hmmm, looks like it is i who has been had, bucko.
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>>25618568
How to propose marriage to one of them?
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anon an' on anon an' on anon an' on anon
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>>25618074
You're not familiar with the term?
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Molière was better than Shakespeare(‘s company)
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Macbeth is yet another play that pretty definitively proves that Shakespeare is a Christian. Maybe he wasn't a secret Catholic, as some of my fellow Catholics like to posit, but he was absolutely a Christian and took his faith seriously.

Macbeth provides evidence of this because the primary motivating energy in Macbeth is the idea that sin begets sin. That once you commit one sin, it's increasingly easy for you to commit more. Macbeth hems and haws about murdering Duncan; his wife has to bitch at him and nag him for him to finally go through with it. But once he's killed Duncan he starts killing a LOT, starting with the two servants he'd originally framed for the murder: he claims he kills them in a burst of anger at Duncan's murder, but obviously he kills them to cover his own tracks, and he does so very easily and casually. And as the play goes on, he kills more and more, and orders more and more death, culminating in the particularly heinous killing of Macduff's wife and children.

It's standard Church teaching that sin darkens the intellect and poisons the will. Sin begets sin, and Macbeth is a perfect example of it. What Macbeth needs is to cleanse his soul. He needs to go to Confession, to repent of his sins, and to do penance for them. But, of course, he won't, because his sins have won him the Crown of Scotland, and he doesn't want to give that up. He thinks he's owed it because of the witches' prophechy, which is ITSELF a problem in a Christian context because dabbling in witchcraft is a sin in its own right. So in so many ways, Macbeth starts sinning and can't stop sinning, and won't stop sinning, and that is his downfall.

It's pretty telling that his wife is the one who puts him up to the initial sin but he far surpasses her in evildoing by the play's end. His soul is far more stained than hers.
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>>25619547
>Molière
No one reads him today.
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>>25619554
Lady Macbeth is Shakespeare's portrayal of himself.
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>>25619556
Not an argument
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Pussy rules the world
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Reminder that Tolkien thought Shakespeare cheated with Macduff. He didn't think being born via C-Section counted as not being "of woman born." That's why he has Eowyn kill the Witch-King, to do Macbeth's prophecy one better.
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>>25619554
This is mostly speculation. Shakespeare was publicly a Protestant, he may have been catholic in secret but there’s no real way to know. You can find elements of both denominations in his works, so it doesn’t help much to try and illuminate the man’s beliefs from his plays. I think that’s also why his work is so universal, it isn’t constrained by the theological conflicts of his time.

In your point about Macbeth needing confession, you could just as easily argue that Macbeth’s tendency towards sin is tied up with the Protestant doctrine of total depravity. Though again, neither this nor confession are referenced in the play (as far as I can remember).
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>>25622178
Shakespeare is clearly AWARE of the fresh dispute between Protestantism and Catholicism. Him having Hamlet study at Wittenberg is obvious evidence of this. As you say, he's never clear, one way or another. But it's not an ignored issue in his plays, at least his plays that aren't purely historical.
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>>25622178
>>25622217
Shakespeare was an Anglican, which is basically an awkward halfway position between Catholicism and Protestantism, so it makes sense that we’d find elements of each in his implied theological views
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>>25622232
Does Hamlet clearly come down on the side of the Ghost being from Purgatory, though? Hamlet tells Horatio, after the play-within-a-play, that he is satisfied that it is "an honest Ghost" and not a demon sent to damn him. Since, after all, the Ghost is right in what it professes, that Claudius murdered him. We get this from Claudius' own confession at prayer.

Actually between Claudius and Macbeth, Shakespeare kind of has a fondness for sinful kings who can't repent. Richard IV/Bolingbroke is kind of a similar figure.
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>>25618070
"anon" meant "immediately"
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>>25618074
Graymalkin is a cat. Paddock is a frog. The third witch, we don't know what her pet is, but like the others she's answering its call.
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>>25622312
Kindly read IV. i. her familiar is named Harpier.
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>>25618070
what's wrong? It's witches being witches and shit
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>>25618070
>Fair is foul, and foul is fair
In other words, evil is good, and good is evil.
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>>25618577
Ask Satan if he can arrange it.

>>25619556
I read his L'Avare half a year ago. I wish I could see it as a play also, it was really fun.
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